The Daily Show: Ears Edition - FIFA Gives Trump a Gold Pacifier & Looming War on Venezuela Gives Jon Iraq Déjà Vu | Malala Yousafzai

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

Trump contradicts his phony FIFA peace prize by cranking up the heat on military action in Venezuela, a country Newsmax host Greg Kelly couldn’t find on a map, and Jon Stewart gets an assist from Th...e Daily Show archives and a time-traveling Rob Corddry to show how MAGA’s drumbeat for war with Venezuela is Iraq all over again. Malala Yousafzai, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, education activist, and bestselling author, returns to The Daily Show to chat with Jon about her new memoir, “Finding My Way.” They talk about how much her life has changed since she first visited the show at 16, including graduating college and getting married, and how she came to realize she doesn’t have to be perfect. She also opens up about managing mental health and societal projections while pursuing activist work and the school for women she founded in Pakistan, which just graduated its first-ever class. Shop Mint Unlimited Plans at http://mintmobile.com/daily Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:00 Welcome to the Yonzo! Hello! Pleasure to be here tonight. We got a good one for you tonight, a great one for you tonight. Later on in the program, I'll be joined by Malala Yusufsai. Should be coming on the program? Activist. author-producer, youngest
Starting point is 00:01:31 Nobel Prize winner in history. Yeah. Look at you people out there. She's the youngest Nobel Prize winner here. What are you doing? I'm thinking about maybe getting into writing. I don't know. I'm a guy in the audience.
Starting point is 00:01:52 I thought you want to be a comedy writer. How don't it become a comedy writer? I tell him. And he goes, yeah, that might be fun. It seems like a lot of work. let's get into the big story this weekend FIFA the World Cup is going to be held in the Americas of the United States, Canada, and Mexico and there was great suspense around no not who would be in this year's group of death or how FIFA would find a way to fuck over Scotland no it was who would win FIFA's inaugural
Starting point is 00:02:22 Peace Prize oh because no it's inaugural FIFA Peace Prize because when I think of one sport that fosters peaceful coexistence. It's the beautiful game. All right. Here we go. Who's it going to be? Please welcome the very first winner of the FIFA Peace Prize, the 45th and 47 President of the United States of America, Mr. Donald J. Trump.
Starting point is 00:02:52 Please. Oh my God. Everybody! Oh, my God, that's so surprised. Oh, oh, ah, ah. Oh, my God, he won the prize, specifically created to appease him. The FIFA, a peas prize. Mr. President, this is your price.
Starting point is 00:03:22 This is your piece prize. There is also a beautiful medal for you that you can wear. that you can wear everywhere you want to go right now okay let me hold fantastic
Starting point is 00:03:36 excellent no not boo enjoy that he's so fucking weird enjoy that the man just got a made up peace prize
Starting point is 00:03:51 and his first move is you know You know, he's so thirsty. He's not even going to bag it. He's like, no, just wear it out of the store. No worry. I don't want to say anything. I don't know if you guys got a good look at the trophy.
Starting point is 00:04:14 But come on. I think it's designed somewhat reflects, in all likelihood, how it was conceived. I take you to that meeting now. Why do we got in? been some prize just to satisfy some fragile egomaniac. Trump is so needy. It's like the world always has to reach out
Starting point is 00:04:35 and stroke his balls. Oh, Donald, you're such a good leader. Oh, you're such a man of peace. Oh, you're a man of peace. I love you.
Starting point is 00:04:52 You're the most peaceful man. They're like, wait, hold that pose. Ferguson, I think you're on to something. Seriously. Come on. The craziest part wasn't necessarily Donald Trump being awarded an entirely fictitious golden butt plug.
Starting point is 00:05:15 It was the cognitive dissonance of flipping over to the news channels post-peace ceremony. Trump administration ramping up pressure on Nicholas Maduro. On the brink of war with Venezuela. possibility of regime change. Well, President Trump, having him a stern ultimatum, leave the country or else? The brink of war?
Starting point is 00:05:37 President Trump. Did this meaningless award mean nothing to you? The whole world was tickling your balls. And Trump... And Trump... Trump was like, I enjoy that. Wait, not you, Venezuela. By the way, if you think the Trump administration is not serious about Venezuela,
Starting point is 00:06:08 they seem to be set in a pretty nice table. The Pentagon surging battleships towards the coast of Venezuela. Roughly 15,000 active-duty troops. The largest U.S. show of force in the Caribbean in decades. Well, not including, of course, your friend Stephanie's destination bachelor's party. That is the largest show of force in the Caribbean. You have to come. The t-shirts are already printed.
Starting point is 00:06:35 So if you... She had them printed. She's a good friend. So if you think a military buildup and planned regime change is inconsistent with an award-winning man of peace, it's even more baffling when you think about how Trump ran as the non-interventionist, non-regime-changing
Starting point is 00:07:00 America first candidate. And how the Secretary of War and fake cop stripper at Stephanie's Bachelorette Party Pete Hedgeset he laid out those non-interventionist principles explicitly just days ago.
Starting point is 00:07:20 The War Department will not be distracted by democracy building, interventionism, undefined war, regime change and feckless nation building. To many Americans invading Venezuela to topple their leaders feels a little intervention-y, which now puts MAGA world in a quandary. MAGA believes in non-foreign intervention,
Starting point is 00:07:43 but they also believe in blindly following their leader. How will they square this circle and delicately reassure us that Trump is not like those other intervention? presidents. Now, a lot of people are gun-shy after Iraq, and I understand that. Totally get that.
Starting point is 00:08:08 Totally. What's with the tone? You sound like a creepy guy who's trying to have sex with a widow. Hey, Slugger, I loved your dad, too. But he's gone. And, you know, I miss him. Totally get that.
Starting point is 00:08:26 But your mom's lonely, so I'm in a banger. This anchor is trying to fertilize the soil, getting America used to what might be, using his comfort voice and a little bit of basic education. Let's just go over a few basics, because maybe you don't know where Venezuela is, all right? Like me, all right? I know it's in South America.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Very good. Let's take a closer look at South America. There it is. Now, be honest, when you look at that map, who knows exactly where, which country it is. I know it's at the tippy top, one of those two, but all right, there it is, Venezuela. I had a feeling, but I wasn't a thousand percent convinced. You had a feeling? Do you guys not have a meeting before the news?
Starting point is 00:09:17 Where they might show you where Venezuela is before you go on television? So you don't learn about it on air? Are you not an anchor? Do you just roll out of bed and hit the ring light? Like a news influencer? Is that what this is? Is this supposed to be one of those Get Ready for War with me videos?
Starting point is 00:09:37 All right. So now we know where Venezuela is and that it's yellow. Who is its leader? What does he look like? What's he into? How is he responding to our provocation? Perhaps this video from his anti-U.S. intervention rally
Starting point is 00:09:53 last week, we'll explain. This is the Venezuelan dictator of dancing to a song, No war, yes, peace. I cannot believe he is doing the Super Bowl halftime show. That is...
Starting point is 00:10:06 My God, Maduro. Maduro is unleashing the most powerful weapon of all. The power of dance. If Maduro... Maduro's challenging Trump to a dance battle, we may be in trouble. Wait a minute. Maduro's on the twos and fours.
Starting point is 00:10:38 And he can do a dance without giving a trabaho de manos. Yeah. You can Google that later. That's a literal translation. I'm sure that's not what they actually call. I'm sure, like, when you're with a girl or guy, you're not like, how about it, Trebaho de Manos? But I know what Maga is doing. They're convincing us that Iraq was an entirely different set of circumstances.
Starting point is 00:11:10 That country was led by a sword-wielding mustachioed madman who held an iron grip on his people and his power. Nicholas Maduro is nothing like... Oh, shit. Well, look, I'm sure a lot of leaders use the same sword guy. Superficial coincidence. Same sword, same mustache. I'm sure they wear different hats.
Starting point is 00:11:32 It's not a kind of a, oh boy. All right. So the two dictators share a remarkably similar taste in facial hair, body shape, ceremonial sabers, and headgear. It doesn't mean that the pretext for the wars will be the same. That drugged out dingy was a floating weapon of master's Every boat carrying fentanyl and drugs of this country is a weapon of mass destruction. Are you fucking kidding me right now?
Starting point is 00:12:00 You guys have the balls to tell us that the pretext for Iraq was bullshit and that war was a mistake and we're not like that. And also Venezuela has weapons of mass destruction and we have to stop them. Or is WMD just the new slang like, yo, bro, Venezuela's total WMD 6-7, what's up? Like, is that what we're doing? And for those of you who are like, oh my God, I didn't even realize that all the fentanyl in the U.S. comes from Venezuela,
Starting point is 00:12:31 that's because it doesn't. Like, almost none of it. Like, none of it. Look, you know what? I didn't want to have to do this. Would you have forced my hand? If you're going to bring back early 2000s geopolitics,
Starting point is 00:12:51 I'm going to have to bring back early 2000's daily show gotcha clips. Because as much as you say war with Venezuela would be so different from Iraq, it seems like you may be using the neocons sales manual. Like other than WMDs, why was it so important to take down Saddam Hussein? His regime has an active support for and cooperation with terrorist networks. Terrorist networks? That's the worst kind of networks. even including Paramount Plus.
Starting point is 00:13:21 It's the worst kind of network. Well, you were going to get me fired. Well, you'll never guess where the terrorists are now. Iran, it's IRGC, and even Hezbollah. They have planted their flag on Venezuelan territory with a full, an open cooperation of that regime. Wow. So if you're saying we go to war,
Starting point is 00:13:47 with Venezuela, we're also getting into a proxy war with Iran. I'm sold. Now, if I remember correctly, though, Iraq lasted until still. And what did they say about that? I think it would be a cakewalk. I don't think it would be that tough fight. I think the saddest part of getting into a war of choice in 2025 is it Dick Cheney won't be around to see it?
Starting point is 00:14:25 Don't do that! The only solace is, I'm sure that he is looking up at us right now. Really proud. Probably some birds picking, you know. But yeah, you know. Quick and easy. That was Iraq. Guess what they're saying now? A few punches to the face, and they will go.
Starting point is 00:14:51 This is going to be an easy job for the United States. How eerie is the Iraq parallel? Well, we got one guy making the same case for both wars. And yes, it's who you think. Saddam Hussein's a threat to my country. He's a threat to our way of life. He needs to go. Maduro is an existential threat to the people of the United States.
Starting point is 00:15:11 It is time for Maduro to go. Now, To be fair, some things have changed over the last 20 years. You know, back in the Iraq war, we used to play clips of Lindsey Graham and make jokes suggesting that he's secretly gay. But now, we know that that was inappropriate. But you know what? You know what? I'm not even going to play it around anymore. Hit me with the works. Iraq, Venezuela. Go!
Starting point is 00:15:47 We're giving them full opportunity to do it the easy way. And when it doesn't work, we'll do it the hard way. If we can do things the easy way, that's fine. And we have to do it the hard way that's fine, too. Chemical weapons is a threat to the United States. Fentanyl poses a chemical weapons threat to the United States. Al-Qaeda terrorists inside Iraq. Al-Qaeda of our hemisphere.
Starting point is 00:16:09 We can get rid of Saddam. It could really begin to transform the region. There's an opportunity to transform the entire region. Bringing freedom and democracy. Democracy and freedom can serve as a beacon of hope. Shock and awe, indeed. If you think this is getting confusing, you're not alone. Even senators can't keep these Bush or Trump war straight.
Starting point is 00:16:32 This is Senator Tom Cotton from this weekend. I think President Bush has every power under the Constitution to strike votes in international waters. Oopsie poopsie! That's a little Freudian. Feels like calling the teacher mom in the middle of a war crime. Well, let's be fair. These wars aren't exactly the same.
Starting point is 00:16:56 For example, how the Bush administration went to great pains to convince everyone that the Iraq war had a higher purpose. It has nothing to do with oil. Literally, nothing to do with oil. Literally. Nothing. So, yeah, the one lesson in this administration seems. to have taken from Iraq is, beyond the weapons of mass destruction, and fentanyl disruption and regime change, yada, yada, yada.
Starting point is 00:17:19 There might also be a side benefit to this war you should know about. Venezuela has the largest reserves of oil in the world. Venezuela that has a rich, talk about rich natural energy resources. Massive oil reserve, they have gold, they have rare earth, oil, gold, and minerals. And I am sure there are U.S. companies that would like to do business there. there. Venezuela for the American oil companies will be a field day. You know, I didn't think this war was a wise decision, but if it helps the oil company
Starting point is 00:17:54 smile again. So basically all the bullshit reasons we used to justify the disastrous war in Iraq, the non-interventionist Trump regime are trotting out to justify war in Venezuela. So how is this war not considered a foreign entanglement? Well, it's easy by redefining the word foreign. And America First means we need a Western Hemisphere where America is dominant. If you're focused on America and America First, you start with your own hemisphere where we live. America first also means the Americas first.
Starting point is 00:18:28 South America literally has the name America in it. name is on it. We own that shit. Don't you get it? America's new foreign policy is basically this. Don't kill people there. Kill them here. In your own time zone.
Starting point is 00:18:53 It's classic advice. Shit where you eat. That's the new Trump doctrine. It's not in any way about stable democracies. It's about spheres of influence. Russia can have their sphere of influence, including Ukraine. China can have theirs, and probably Taiwan.
Starting point is 00:19:14 And we get South America. America is no longer the shining city on the hill. It is merely just one of the five crime families, splitting up the territories. And that's how they like it. But beyond that, it is 2005 all over again. And the main thing... What the... What the hell?
Starting point is 00:19:37 God! John! What is that? Hello! John! Oh my God! Oh, my God! John!
Starting point is 00:19:53 What? I can't believe that! Oh, my God. This is unbelievable. This, guys, visit former Iraq era Daily Show correspondent, Mr. Rob Cordry is here. is here.
Starting point is 00:20:10 This is amazing. Now, what are you doing here and why are you dressed like Marty McFly? Good question, John. I just time-traveled here from 2005 into the present because I need to warn you. The war in Iraq is a disaster. We cannot, John, make that mistake
Starting point is 00:20:34 ever again in the future. Yeah, we know. We're in the future. We lived through that already. No. Oh, oh my God. Oh, you're right. Oh, it would have made a lot more sense to go to the past, huh?
Starting point is 00:21:14 Stupid, idiot. Then you could have warned it. Yeah, giant, giant waste of a time machine. You know what? I should have gone back in time and fuck my mom. Yes. Yes. That's the movie.
Starting point is 00:21:30 But here we are. Yeah. In the present, John. We're in the present. Yes, which I'm assuming is, um 2095 or
Starting point is 00:21:41 or it's 2020 it's oh yeah well you look great it's been around for you yeah
Starting point is 00:22:06 I can see how you made the mistake. But it's been a long... But you know what, man? It's unbelievable to see it. I got to say, how did you get here? Did you, like, jump in a hot tub time machine? Or is it a... A hot tub...
Starting point is 00:22:19 I'm sorry. What is that now? It's a title of a hit movie that you will eventually star in. Hot tub time machine? Yeah, yeah. Jesus. Wow.
Starting point is 00:22:33 Sounds like my career really went down the toilet, huh? But, hey, clearly not yours, John. I would like to congratulate you on hosting this television program for 26 years straight without interruption. Yeah. Oh. What a run.
Starting point is 00:22:55 I always figured, you know, you'd get antsy and leave to host a less popular version of this very show on a prestigious but little-watched competitor. It was not viewed by many, but at least it was more expensive to make. Look, Rob, I don't think you time traveled all the way here to just talk about my career. No, no, yeah. I came back to warn you about the Iraq thing, but apparently you still know everything.
Starting point is 00:23:25 Anyway, you know, since I'm here, maybe you can update me on some of my favorite people, huh? Absolutely, yeah. Okay, hey, how is my comedy idol Bill Cosby doing? America's dad. Not great. Oh, geez. Okay, okay. Now, how about my favorite actor, Kevin Spacey?
Starting point is 00:23:50 He's fine. He's totally fine. Not great. Wow. Wow, okay. All right, how about my favorite reality show, The Apprentice? I mean, that one. That one's still going.
Starting point is 00:24:07 That show is a who? Yeah, it's not on the air anymore. What? Really? Yeah. What has happened in this place? It's a dystopia. I mean, you're fired.
Starting point is 00:24:18 You're fired. So good. It's so good. I can watch that guy. I can watch that guy all day, every single day for the rest of my life. Rob Cordy, everybody, when we come back, but only the second, every day. Every day.
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Starting point is 00:25:37 She's a Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, Education activist and best-selling author whose new memoir is called Finding My Way Please welcome back to the program Malala You Softzai Nice to see you. Nice to see you as much.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Hello! Hello, how have you been? I haven't seen you. I know. When you came on the show, it was, you were, when you came on the show, it was, you were 16 years old. I know. I was a teenager and so much has changed in my life since then. Yes. I'm in my late 20s now. I have graduated from college. I got married. I do my work for girls education. I'm working on women's sports. I published a new memoir and I'm not scared
Starting point is 00:26:35 of dogs anymore. She was. To be fair. I, my dog used to follow me around the office and he was a three-legged pit bull, a Brindle pit bull, and Malala had just faced down, obviously, the Taliban, but she never crossed anybody to, like, dip her before. So it was a little scary. Yeah, so much has changed in my life. How have you been? Very much the same.
Starting point is 00:27:06 Not at all. You know, my kids now, they were little when you were here. Now they're off at college, and I'm an empty nester. My wife and I, we sit around, and we watch a lot of Netflix. Are you watching? Here's what I loved about the memoir. You, at such a young age, we elevated you, not because it wasn't spectacular what you did, but we did make you a two-dimensional caricature.
Starting point is 00:27:40 And the book humanizes and three-dimensionalizes you. in a way that's really rewarding to see. Yeah, you know, I thought I was supposed to live my life a certain way. Yeah. It's, you know, it's quite rare to be called Nobel Peace Prize laureate and an education activist when you are still a teenager. And I thought it means that I have to live a perfect life now. I have to be a perfect daughter, a perfect person. I cannot get anything wrong.
Starting point is 00:28:08 And that I'm supposed to know the answer to everything in my life, that I can't make mistakes. But I realized that, you know, that was not the true me, that I didn't have to sacrifice friendship and so much of my normal life. Right. So when I went to college, that's when I changed everything. Because at school, you know, at this high school in the U.K., I struggled to make friends.
Starting point is 00:28:29 By the end of my high school, I had only made one friend. And that's because she fell out with her best friend. I was brought to the U.K. for my treatment, and then I had to adjust to a new life. So in college, I said, you know what? I want to do this different. I signed up for every club and every society because I wanted to meet as many students as possible
Starting point is 00:28:48 so that I could make some friends. And I had signed up for, like, the Pakistan Society and Christian society, Hindu society, Muslim society. And I was like, just go everywhere. We'll find someone. Now, did that ever get confusing at some point? Not at all. No, you kept going.
Starting point is 00:29:07 You signed up for rowing. Yes. You rowed? That was a big mistake. because... Yes! Yeah, because you have to be up very early and I'm not a morning person.
Starting point is 00:29:23 That's true. And you need to know how to swim. Yeah. So that was my first and last experience. Yes. No, it makes to... But this is how desperate I was because I was really scared
Starting point is 00:29:34 that college would become another of those times for me where I don't make any friends and I just was so tired of my like, serious life that I was supposed to live. And I felt that, you know, why do I have to make sacrifices on a normal life? So at college, I just wanted to be a student more than anything. And then I became a bit reckless as well
Starting point is 00:29:55 because I said, you know what, I don't just want to be a student. I want to be a cool student. So, you know, I heard about rooftop climbing. I went for that. Boom. I heard about students. He blew off classes, didn't take essays.
Starting point is 00:30:08 I read the book. I know what happened. There's some... Yeah, and there was a bad boy as well. There was a bad boy. It was my first crush, yes. I know. Your first crush, I'm reading it, and I'm just like, oh, Malala.
Starting point is 00:30:22 It's this guy, and he smokes cigarettes, and he shows up in your room every now and again to eat ramen, and you give him food, and he takes it, and he doesn't give you any money. And I was like, he's no good for you. Yeah, I wish we had talked there. Yes. And then your professors, because you're all.
Starting point is 00:30:42 also still doing your work with women's education and all these things. And your professors are, you know, grading you poorly because you didn't get an essay done. But did you ever want to go to them and go like, I'm sorry, I was speaking at the Hague? Right. You had this whole other life you were living. It was quite challenging to balance the advocacy life, but also being a student. And as I said, in college, like they tell you that you can only have two of the three, study, sleep, and social life. And I chose one, social life.
Starting point is 00:31:12 I just wanted to be with my friends forever, like late nights, conversations, gossiping, talking about boys, any topic. I knew that these moments will never come back. And I was feeling that these three years of my college are going to be so precious. Like, my parents are not around. I can decide, like, I can do anything. And I love that. And I made friends for the first time. And I found that comfort zone.
Starting point is 00:31:36 Like, I felt that I didn't have to think twice before what I said, and I could make mistakes. I can be silly. And I reconnected with that person that I was growing up in Pakistan. I was a very mischievous, funny person there, and I had a lot of friends. That's what you said in the book that I found so interesting is that your life before this fame and image was thrust upon you due to this attack is you were mischievous. You like to gossip. You and your friends, like that was the thing you said you missed the most. Yes.
Starting point is 00:32:08 I mean, yes. Who doesn't like gossiping? I'm with you. And it's up. And I thought it was interesting because not only was the world placing this expectation on you, but also coming from the culture that you come from, it's a very conservative culture, especially in regards to women. One thing I thought was so interesting is, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:33 you're talking about the fear you had about having someone take your picture if you were going to be dancing or maybe talking to a boy or maybe not having a headscarf on or those things that would be considered. And then you'd be like, meanwhile, my brothers are playing video games and getting high in the basement. And I thought, well, that is, how did they get to do that? And so much was on you. So I was very careful in the early days of college.
Starting point is 00:32:59 And I said, you know what? Anything can be taken out of context? So I'm going to stay away from all of these things, partying, whatever. And then one day, when I was coming back from rowing, somebody took a picture of me. where in the photo I'm wearing skinny jeans and a bomber jacket and my headscarf and this whole backlash. Yeah. And there was this whole controversy on social media
Starting point is 00:33:23 calling me out and saying that I had brought shame to the country and I was more like westernized and I was no longer representing my culture. And I remember having this conversation with my parents who were like freaking out. And I told them that I'm in college for studying to be a normal student. I'm not here for some pilgrimage. Firstly, I'm not here to represent anything, but also I reminded them that when my brother moved to the UK, they immediately switched to jeans and t-shirts, and we did not receive a single call from relatives or any backlash. And then they were worried about, you know, how are we going to respond to that?
Starting point is 00:33:55 And I said, I'm not going to respond to any of this because people will always have something to say about what we wear, our headscarf or our jeans. So the best thing to do is keep wearing jeans, and that's the best response. Right. So, fantastic. Now, in those times, there's so many different things. Were you more nervous about a backlash from conservative people in Pakistan? Were you more concerned about a social media backlash?
Starting point is 00:34:27 Or were you more concerned about your mom? Like, which one, out of those three, which one weighed heaviest, do you think? You know, I have seen social media back. many, many times, and I have learned to live with it. Honestly, like, if it's a good feedback, I take it with me, but a lot of the times, the attempt is to stop us and to silence us from our work, and I'm like, that's never going to happen. And I'm like, I hope they get tired of typing, the hateful comments. Like, they will, they'll get tired.
Starting point is 00:34:57 But then on the other hand, is my mom. And I can never argue with my mom. She will never be tired of typing. No, she's typing, speaking, whatever you call it, the look that she gives you. And I am, like, terrified when I'm in front of my mom. So I think with my mom, I have these conversations, and I know that she had a very different childhood in her village.
Starting point is 00:35:19 None of her sisters or friends or she herself could go to school. Like, you know, I even asked her in the recent years what her dream was growing up. This was, I thought that sort was heartbreaking, actually. And she said that her dream was to just find the right guy who would be a nice husband and who would just get her, like,
Starting point is 00:35:37 nice food and she could go shopping and I said, but no, mom, like, what was your dream? And there was no answer. And that broke my heart that there has been a generation or many generations of women who never even had dreams for themselves. So she was always trying to protect me because they had seen the worst things happen to girls if they dared to disobey any of the norms. So, but, you know, sometimes it was always like an argument between us, like what am I wearing? What am I doing? Yeah, but in the end, we sort of resolve it. Right, right, and come together.
Starting point is 00:36:10 Yeah, it's lovely that way. And it is, it's the kind of thing too because every community that wants to claim you as their own also sets this expectation for you of who you're supposed to be. Even within, I'm sure, the activist communities, my guess is their criticism now is you don't do enough. You've got to do more here.
Starting point is 00:36:33 Or why don't you speak out about this? or now you've gone, you know, boozy or soft, or now you don't. Is that the thing that you now have to block out and just focus on? Because I know congratulations to you on your school. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:47 They just graduated their first class. Yes, so it's in the north of Pakistan. Pazza! That's amazing. Yeah. So I started the school with the Nobel Peace Prize money, and it was my dream to make a school in the village of my parents.
Starting point is 00:37:04 where there was no high school. And I said, if we can make a school in this marginalized, mountainous area that is often left behind, we can make a school anywhere in the world. So the school finally had the first class graduate this year, and I met those girls, and it was empowering for the whole community because those girls are changing history, they're changing culture, they're going to universities now,
Starting point is 00:37:29 and the school is amazing because they have like mental health support and they play chess and they play different games. and they play different games. And I just loved that it was a state-of-the-art school. So I'm really excited for the difference we're making for girls. But, you know, I'm committed to making a difference for girls through education, through creating more opportunities. And I have been an activist for a very long time.
Starting point is 00:37:49 I have seen what works, what works for a while, but doesn't work anymore. I have also seen sometimes that statements actually fall short. Like, these words sometimes don't mean anything. And I always think about how can we make real power shift. And I believe we have to empower local activists. And this is the whole model of Malala Fund. The fundraising we do, the money goes directly to local education activists because the work that my father and I did in our hometown,
Starting point is 00:38:15 there are so many activists around the world who are doing that work on the ground, making a difference for girls. And I believe that we can see a change. We can see more girls in schools by supporting them. And you can't be everything to everybody. It's just not a realistic... For me, the takeaway of all this is, So much of what you dealt with were our projections onto you and the unfairness of all of that.
Starting point is 00:38:41 And what that did, you know, you write very movingly and openly about mental health. Yeah. And the PTSD that came along, how did you get, forget about the courage to do what you did in terms of education, the courage to go and speak to somebody about the difficulties you were having. So, yeah, I got therapy seven years after the Taliban attack. And in my first therapy session, I told my therapist all of the challenges that I was going through, including the flashbacks of the Taliban attack and many, many panic attacks for months. And then I told the therapist, here's all my problems.
Starting point is 00:39:21 Now give me the medication. I was of this view that, you know, that it's always medication and surgeries that are supposed to treat you and help you recover. I even remember that I was offered therapy as part of my initial treatment to recover from the Taliban injury, but I refused to get it because I thought that I'm supposed to be called brave and courageous, and asking for help makes me feel weak. You took that identity on even for yourself. You internalized power projection. I thought I had to live up to this definition.
Starting point is 00:39:53 But then I realized that actually true bravery is still doing what you believe in even when you are scared. Right. Hard to do, though. And did you find that process you were able to get a better balance for yourself? Yeah, absolutely. I felt that this was this, you know, unfinished part of my recovery. And I got therapy many, many years later. But I'm so grateful that I received that support.
Starting point is 00:40:21 And now you married us. I read about him in the book. And then I met him backstage. And do you mind me saying this? A bit of a dream boat. You're a little dreaming. Very nice. But you struggled even with that.
Starting point is 00:40:39 You know, I always aim high. You got to. You got to aim high. That's the way to do these things. But even in that, it was a little, like, there was some dynamics there that you weren't quite sure you ever wanted to get married. You would have done these things. It took a bit. I know, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:40:56 Because when I was a kid, I decided that I will never get married. You decided that as a kid. Because I saw many girls lose their education and their dreams because they were forced into marriages. And as I got older, I realized that women oftentimes have to make more compromises. And I said, like, just stay away from marriage. Your life will have less problems. But then I see this guy and he's very, very handsome and all of that.
Starting point is 00:41:21 So that's when I had to reconsider my take on this issue. And of course, it's not that my concerns have gone away. But in the end, it was about this mutual understanding between the two of us. We both have brought more joy into each other's lives. But, yes, you know, it's a bigger conversation. And before, like, the marriage, I was, like, even reading feminist authors, like, Bell Hooks. I was like, maybe she can help me out.
Starting point is 00:41:51 Virginia Woolf. Sure. Like, maybe she... Always good when the woman you're going to marry is reading a little Bell Hooks. That's always... Yes. Yeah, but I do remember I was in my friend's group. I was the one who told all of my friends never get married,
Starting point is 00:42:10 and I was the first one to get married. Really? Now, did they come to your wedding and be like, whoa, whoa, wow. Well, it's a fantastic look into the three-dimensional life of really an activist icon in our era. And it's so appreciated that you would put it out there. And I hope that you got everything out of it that you wanted to. Yeah, absolutely. I hope that people will know me more by reading this book.
Starting point is 00:42:39 And this is the most personal reflections I have ever shared. This is about my life navigating my way through college. I talk about mental health and friendships. And, you know, I talk about how I am leading my life, doing advocacy in work for all girls who do not have equal opportunities, most importantly for the Afghan girls who are banned from their education right now. It's been more than four and a half years, so we keep the fight going. Keep it going, and the chapter on Afghanistan and the Taliban is devastating. It comes towards the end of the book when you find out that they've retaken it and devastating.
Starting point is 00:43:14 But it's a wonderful piece of writing. So thank you for sharing it. Very nice. Malala is south-shah. Finding a way available now, Malala, and then we're going to take a quick break. And we will be back. Why do you? When you're flying Emirates business class,
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