The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Hasan Minhaj Explains Why He's Not Worried About Justice Kennedy's Retirement | Darnell L. Moore

Episode Date: June 29, 2018

Hasan Minhaj gives his optimistic take on the future on the Supreme Court, Trevor spreads good news about LGBTQ rights, and Darnell L. Moore discusses "No Ashes in the Fire." Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My guest tonight, my guest tonight, my guest tonight, my guest tonight is an LGBTQ and black lives matter activist, an author as well. Donnell Moore is joining us everybody. Is an LGBTQ and black lives Matter activist, an author as well. Donnell Moore is joining us everybody. He's a really inspiring young man here to talk about his compelling new memoir, No Ashes in the Fire. It's a fascinating book about growing up black and queer in America. Beautiful story. We're going to talk about that later. But first, the Supreme Court, yesterday, we got a major announcement that has left America in shock.

The new summer robes are in, and they are crop tops people. The other news, the other news, was that Justice Kennedy announced his resignation, which is an even bigger deal. The landscape of American justice is shifting dramatically tonight on news that 81-year-old Supreme Court justice Anthony Kennedy is retiring. And now for the second time at his presidency, Donald Trump is poised to exercise one of a president's most consequential powers, nominating the court's next justice. So we have a pick to come up. We have to pick a great one.

We have to pick one that's going to be there for 40 years, 45 years. God damn, this is so crazy. Like you realize, regardless of what happens in his presidency now, Donald Trump will leave a mark on this country for decades to come. Yeah. It's like it's not thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th thi th thi thi th thi thi thi th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the. the. the. thean thean the thean thean the thean thean thean thi. to to to to to to to to to this country for decades to come. Yeah. It's like it's not going to go away. It's like he's giving America judicial herpes. You realize his court picks will be around for so long that they'll be ruling on major legal questions way into the future, like whether or not Elon Musk can marry his robot

slaves. Like, we don't know where it's going to go. And here's a thing. I can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can't the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. the. the. their the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th.......................... th....... th. th. th. t............................................................. And here's the thing. I can handle the idea of Donald Trump being president for a few years. What blows my mind, though, is that he will be able to fundamentally reshape America for generations. Donald Trump is going to shape America. This guy. I'd look at right in that fat, ugly face of hers.

The power to redefine what America is, this guy. Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing. Bing, Bing. Seriously? This guy? Trump's steaks are by far the best-tasting, most flavorful beef you've ever had. Out of all the people it could have been, it's this guy? I've said that if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, hey, hey, hey, you never know with the new Supreme Court, that shit could be legal. You never know. Yeah. That's what you work for. You never know. He's there. Like, that's what I've been working for, folks. I've been really trying, baby. Trying to hold back these feelings for so long. Anyway. feelings for so long! Anyway, A Supreme Court judge stepping aside is never a small thing. But this one could have especially far-reaching consequences, because while Anthony Kennedy was generally conservative,

one of the notable things that he did was consistently protect Roe v. Wade, aka a woman's right to choose, which makes this the moment that the anti-abortion movement has been waiting for. A Kennedy departure could also put abortion rights in doubt. He has consistently supported the basic holding of Roe v. Wade, a Trump nominee would probably oppose it. Well, Roe v. Wade is really the Dred Scott decision of the 20th century. I think you're going to see that overturned. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We have a th. We have a th. We have a th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin. th. th. th. th. th. thin. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Wade is really the Dred Scott decision of the 20th century. I think you're going to see that overturned. We have a chance to take down Roe v. Wade. This is a historic moment in the pro-life community today.

That's right. After Justice Kennedy is replaced, there's a good chance that many states will make abortion illegal. And for many evangelicals, that has been the Holy Grail. It's why many Christians have supported to continue Donald Trump, even though he sins so much that people cost him out of demons. Just like, be gone Trump! Oh, oh, oh, thank you. I felt so gross. Oh, oh, I mean your own daughter?

Oh, wow. And you might be really sad that women will be losing some of their fundamental rights, but the media is licking its lips. On Capitol Hill, the battle lines drawn. A huge battle in Washington over replacing Supreme Court justice, Anthony Kennedy. This will be a battle, all summer, all fall. It will be one of the most contentious political battles in decades. Okay, I'm sorry, but like, what battle are we talking about here? I understand these guys are thia thia thia thia thia thia thia thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi the media thi thi thi is the media thi is thi is thi is the media thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is the media is the media is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is the media is the media is the media is the media is the media is the media is the media is the media the media is the media the media the media the media the media the media is the media is the media the media the media the media the media the media the media th is the media thi is thi is thi is thi is thi thi is thi is thi is thi thi thi thi thi thi thi theeeea' thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi'm sorry, but, like, what battle are we talking about here?

I understand these guys are trying to drum up ratings, but it's not true. Republicans controlled the Senate, okay? The Democrats have no power and no way to stop them from confirming Trump's Supreme Court pick. Like, the media is hyping this up like it's a heavyweight fight, this is more like a fight between Floyd Mayweather and a baby you know he's like and in the blue corner weighing in at seven pounds and cranky after missing his nap it's Timmy! Dish! Ah ha ha ha! Why is he crying? Oh okay he got punched in the face that's why this app is really useful. Because look the cold hard hard facts are,

Democrats only have 49 Senate votes. And while that's enough to vote for Pizza Fridays, it's not enough to stop a Supreme Court pick. You need at least 51 for that. So the question is, what, if anything, is the Democrats' next move? For more on that, we're joined by our senior political optimist Hassan Menage everybody. This is a difficult moment for the Democrats because clearly there's nothing they can do right? Wrong Trevor. If you have ever watched the mighty ducks, you know that this is the part of the movie

where they get the pep talk from Emilio Estevez and then they come back with the power move to win it all! Quack! Quack! Quack! Quack! Quack! Quack!

Quack! Hey! Hey! Yo, Hassan, this is not a movie. The Democrats can't do anything because they have no power. Well, that depends on how you define power, Trevor. If you define power as power, then no. But if you define power as complaining about the people with power, then Democrats have all the power. Quack, quack, quack, quack. No, stop, stop, yo, stop quacking.

Yeah, what? Stop quacking, Hassan. No. Look, I know you're trying to be hopeful, but the truth is it comes down to numbers. And the Democrats simply don't have the votes to block Trump's nomination. Why are you being so negative, dude? Maybe they can't block the nomination, but they can block the office printer. You take out the regular paper, you put in some tin foil, boom, now it's jammed. You can't vote without paper?

So what, that buys the Democrats, what, 15 minutes? Hassan, be realistic. It's over. Maybe if they were still able to filibuster, tho-but th, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the the the, the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi.o, throooooooooo, thooooooooof, their their their their their their, their, their, that's also gone. Maybe they can't filibuster the nominee, but you know what they can filibuster, the lunch line. Stay with me. No, stay with me. They'll slow it down. Mitch McConnell can't get his apple sauce. Blood sugar crashes. Turtleman can't vote if he's napping in his office. Hassan, I'm all for optimism, but I don't get fighting for something that you can't change. I'll tell you the the the th th th th the th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thu th. thu- thu- th. th. th. th. th. th. tho' the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. S, th. S, th. S, th. S. the. S. the. S. the. S. S. S. S. to theee. S. toeeea. toee. toeea. toeea. toea. toe. toe. toe. S. toe. S. th you can't change. I'll tell you what the Democrats can change, Trevor. The Wi-Fi password. That's it. It's the Wi-Fi password.

Just make it, I love Ted Cruz. No one would guess that. And even if they did, who would want to type that? I felt gross just saying it. So that's going to stop the entire thing. You know what I admire your optimism but that's not going to help. Hasaminaj everybody! I have more ideas. Who's it? We could be time travel. Welcome back to the Daily Show. So, it's Pride Month, right? Which America has been celebrating with huge pride parades around the country, from right here in New York all the way to Buford, Wyoming. Now, there, it was just two guys walking to CVS,

but they were having a good time, so it counts as a parade. But, but yesterday's Supreme Court news has dimmed the celebration, because Justice Kennedy was the swing vote supporting gay rights, and there's widespread concern that Trump's next pick won't be. It's a harsh way to end Pride Month. You know, it's kind of like ending your birthday party with a cancer doctor popping out of a cake, like, surprise!

Happy last birthday to you. And although, you guys sound like you were at the birthday for real. And although many are worried about the future of LGBTQ rights, let's take a moment to celebrate how much progress has been made, and not just in America, but around the world. Taiwan will become the first Asian nation to legalize same-sex marriage. History tonight down under, Australia's parliament has voted to legalize gay marriage. Germany's parliament voted to legalize same-sex marriage in a historic vote. Bermuda has now legalized same-sex marriage for a second time.

The island's Supreme Court overturned a gay marriage ban that was signed into law just just four months ago. The Supreme Court first legalized same-sex marriage last May. Then in February, Bermuda became the first national territory in the world to repeal its gay marriage legislation. Yeah, that's right. Bermuda legalized same-sex marriage twice. And I know that seems weird, but that's just how legislation works in Bermuda. You see what happens is you pass it in Parliament, and then it goes to the triangle where it's lost.

Then a deep-sea diver finds it and takes it back to Parliament. And it's not just marriage equality. Around the world, LGBTQ rights are moving forward in different ways. Pakistan passed transgender rights. Botswana's high court recognized the trans woman's identity for the first time and all of Georgia is now gay. Yeah, you don't even play, those queer eye guys do not mess around. And even though the Trump administration has eroded LGBTQ rights by rolling back anti-discrimination laws and banning trans people from the military, they're going to find it a

lot harder to reverse the public's views on gay rights. The most recent ABC News poll found that 81% of Americans said companies should not be allowed to refuse service to gays and lesbians. 67% now say the same-sex marriages should be legal. That's the highest we've ever seen. This is one of the most remarkable changes that we have seen in our history. As the country heads toward midterm elections this fall, some history is being made, an unprecedented number of candidates

who are openly lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender are running for office. That's an incredible story. It's incredible all around, right? Think of how perceptions have shifted. And it wasn't easy. Don't ever forget it wasn't easy. It took marches, it took protests, it took lawsuits, and two different will and graces to get America here.

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So exciting. You'll be saying to yourself, TGID, thank God it's Thursday. We're going to be talking about all the things that hopefully obsess you in the same way that they obsess me. The election. Economics. Earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. And I know that I listed that fourth, but in importance it's probably second. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday? I mean, talk about innovative.

Listen to the show. My guest tonight is a writer and activist whose new memoir is called No Ashes in the Fire, Coming of Age Black and Free in America. Please welcome, Don Elmur. Welcome to the show. Thank you for having me here. I have read a lot of your writing. I have followed some of the pieces that you've written online. Many people consider you one of the most important voices in young American black culture,

and American culture as a whole. Those are your friends, but they're good people. The book though gave me an insight into your life and into a life that are your friends, but they're good people. The book though gave me an insight into your life and into a life that many people have lived in America that's really painful and fascinating. No ashes in the fire speaks to the first inciting incidents in this book where someone tried to set you on fire as a child. Now luckily that didn't happen. Could you just share that story that gets us into the book? Yeah, so I was 14 and a group of neighborhood kids.

People I would consider folk who had been friends at some point jump me. I used to get picked on a lot because of my gender presentation. And in this particular incident, after they jumped me, but they jumped me, they tried to light a match after doucing me with a gallon of gasoline. But the fire, the flame did not light, the wind sort of took it out. But here's what I want to say about that story. It is a tragic story and it's one that's common. I don't want to turn this into like an exceptional story. That's something that I went through individually. Young people across the country around the world who experience themselves as different

are often picked on. And I was picked on a lot. But here's a thing. Like punishment is not what I imagined as the route for transformation for those young people. By the time I finished a book, I was searching online, wanted to make sure that the brother that tried to do that was alive, was well, was not in jail, because cages can't transform hearts and minds. Prisons can't do that. So I am hoping that whoever, wherever they are, that they can be in a type of space where they're imagining a world where everybody

can be free. Everybody can be who they are. It's interesting that you have such a powerful worldview, one that is full with so much compassion, considering that as a gay black person in America, you have faced it many times the utmost persecution. When you look at the journey that gay black people face in particular, you know, the history of queer rights in America is one that is not hidden and then black rights is compounded on top of that. Do you think that makes the experience like unique and unique and th and th and th and th and th and th and the experience like the experience like the experience like th and the the th and their their thi thi thi their thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. C. C. C. C. C. C. C. C. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their their their their their their their. their. their. I I I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I thi. I thi. I thi. I'm. I'm. I'm thi. And, teea. And, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theea. thi. thi. thi and then black rights is compounded on top of that. Do you think that makes the experience like unique and even more powerful? Well, it's interesting. So I'll start by saying James Balt, when asked his question some time, like, how do you, you know,

how do you feel about being black and gay? It's like, wonderful. I mean, shit, right. In many ways, I am who I am because of my experience of growing up in the world as a black, queer person. Like, queerness is magic. It's not poison. Like, this, it feels good to be free, to be who you are, to be in your skin, and name that.

But that is also, I think you're, you know, it's important to note that to be black and queer are black and trans or black and gender not conforming, you're facing multiple issues at once, multiple arrows coming your way. Which is why when we talk about LGBT progress and only way that progress with regards to rights that are impacting some, like if you're black and queer, you're not only facing homophobia,

our antagonism because you're a trans person, or a janit conform, you're facing racism. And if you're poor, you're gonna face all that comes along with being economically disenfranchised. And if you're a young person, you're gonna face all that comes along with that. In New York City alone, most of the homeless folk that,

the young people that live, treats about 40% of them are LGBTQ. So, but when we talk about LGBT progress, we don't think about these particular lies, and I think that's important for us to talk about. It's something that you cover in the book, and what I love is the book is really three parts. I mean, it is your memoir, it takes us through your life, but at the same time, you give you you you you you you you the context, the context, the context, the context, the context, situations came to be. You also give us a snapshot of America as it stands right now.

When you look at the black community, in America and in South Africa, many parts of AQA, it's not dissimilar. Where you have people who seem progressive in many different ways, but when it comes to homosexuality, there seems to be this roadblock. In hip hop, that's one of the biggest dilemmas, it's the space of people going, like, we're trying, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, the, th..... And, the, th, th, th, th, the, th, th. the, th. th. th. the, th. thi, thi, the, thi, thi, and, and, the, it's, and, and, and in, it's, it's, and in, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, and in, it's, and in, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, i, i. And, i. And, i. And, it's, i.. And, it's, it's, it's, it's, i. And, it's, it's, it's, it's, i. And, it's, it's, i. And, it's, it's, the the the the the the the the the the to. the the the the to. the the the to. the to. the the the the to. the the the the the the of people going like we're trying to be ahead of the curve or whatever and it's like but there's still that that whole like are you gay or you gay how do you think you begin that conversation where do you think people start especially young black people well first you know we live within a context where you know I don't I don't make the claim that black folk are more homophobic you know this is America right I mean th i th th th th th th th. th th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm thi. I thi is is is is thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th. thi. thi. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. that's the Donald Glebersa, but this is America, you know what I'm saying? In so many ways, we have a country that is, in just its recent history, have begun to overturn draconian laws with regards to LGBT people. And America like to tel to tel itself as the most progressive country

in the world. We have a lot of work to do in this country, not just with regards to understanding how expansive sexuality is in queerness. But look, if we can't even talk about gender, manhood and masculinity as a cage for some folk, right? If we can't talk about the problems that gender presents us, that the fact that we tell little boys to be real men, like, let them be kids first................. We. We. We, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to be, to be, to be, the, the, to be, to be, we, we, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, to be, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to, to be, to be, to, to, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, that the fact that we tell little boys to be real men,

like let them be kids first. We're definitely not going to be at a point where we can rethink sexuality. So I think we have worked to do, so here's a thing. Like what would it mean for us to abolish, to get rid of we got to get free. We've got to let some of these ideas go. Right. And when you look at Pride Month and the celebration around being queer, you know, there is that constant idea of we can celebrate,

we can celebrate the progress that we've made as people, but at the same time there is a lot of work to be done. What do you think still need need to need to need to need to to to to to to the to to to have their to to have their to have their to have to have their their to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to be to be to be to be to be their, their, their, to be, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, and, and, the, and, their, their, the, the.a, the.a, the.a.a, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, time, there is a lot of work to be done. What do you think still needs to be done within the LGBTQ space? We definitely need to have a celebration. I mean, I kind of wear the shirt, like, with all the ripples on it so we can celebrate. Because you know, we need space to honor and to celebrate difference too. But we have to not be committed to all of the ideas and norms, the ideas, the ideas, the ideas, the ideas, the ideas, the ideas, the ideas, the ideas, the ideas, the ideas, the ideas, the ideas, the ideas, the ideas, the ideas, the ideas, thioms, thi, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, to, to, to, to, to, to, and, and, to, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, all of the ideas and norms that have been cages for so many people that have not brought freedom. And let me tell you how I know that's just not a problem for black folk. We have a person in the White House who is lifted up and celebrated particularly because he performs a thugish masculinity, that if performed by anyone who was not a

white man, would we call a thug or in jail, but this one gets elected president because of America's attraction to a type of toxic masculinity, which is another way of them thinking about men and power. And look, now we got a president that so many people voted for, even women. A big block, a big voting block was 53% white women. So this is telling me that society has to let go of our deep deep deep deep desire, attraction to the toxicity that is masculinity, in the ways that we're seeing it now, running in the White House,

and any other ways in which we are asking of people to perform in our everyday life. Get rid of that, man. Get rid of that, man. It's an amazing book. No ashes in the fire out. I could not recommend it more. Is available available available available available available available available available th available th available tho could not recommend it more is available now. Donnell Moore everybody. and videos at the Daily Show.com. Follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, and

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