The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Hold Up with Dulcé Sloan & Josh Johnson: Conscious Rap vs. Club Bangers

Episode Date: July 8, 2022

In the premiere episode of their new podcast, Hold Up, Daily Show correspondent Dulcé Sloan and Daily Show writer Josh Johnson debate the merits of two pillars of hip hop: conscious rap and club bangers. Kendrick Lamar or Drake? J. Cole or Future? Movement music or ratchet beats? Dulcé and Josh leave no stone unturned. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Anyway, two of my good friends, Daily Show correspondent, Dosey Sloan and daily show writer, Josh Johnson, are known around the building for their water ca, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, to, and, and, and, to, and, to, to, to, to, to, and, and, and, and, and, to, to, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they........a.a.a.a.a.a. toe.a. toe. the to the to to the to the the the the the known around the building for their water cooler conversations. And they turned it into a podcast. This is your chance to hear these two people go back and forth the way we get to hear it all the time in the hallway. The podcast is called Hold Up. Have a listen. Hey everybody, welcome to Hold Up. I'm now realizing that a podcast hosted by two black people called Hold Up. It's a problem.

It's a problem, but we already named it. This is fine. Wait, we can't do first. Okay, first of all, might be better because it's like, this is a holdup. Like I hear what you're saying. I hear you on FM. I feel, I feel like hold up works though. I think it gives people's attention. Hey man, hold up. Yeah, it's like, yeah. Or can only be called like, okay, what? Listen, like, and there's no way to like type that out.

There's no copy heard that last part, you already know what the name of the show is, welcome to Hold Up. It's me, Josh Johnson, writer for the Daily Show with my partner in conversations that go on way too long, Dulce, Sloan. And we're going to be taking it to the true edge, the brim of issues that don't matter at all to anybody but us and we're gonna have it out so you need to know ahead of time this is what we do this is how we talk to each other anyway all right I don't want I don't want anybody listening in thinking wow wow they're getting heated it's not heated it's just the

truth it's what's happening sometimes when you're right you have to let people know and sometimes those people are some of your good friends. Okay, because like Josh how many times have we been like, I think people would call it arguing but for us it's just a regular like conversation discussion situation. People from far away definitely think it's arguing because I have a lot of like, will give me a second to like I have a lot of those stunted sentences and those always sound like they go with an argument when really I'm just trying to think. Right so it's just like okay so hath so hold up wait a minute so like you have that thought process because it's like

there's so many times I've been talking in the office and somebody who's like y'all should do this podcast I'm like there there man, I ain't doing this for free. We sit up and talk to Josh. I'm already getting paid to be at work to talk to this man. I ain't gonna do it on this white man's internet and not get no coins for it. So we out here, me and Josh talking about thin. to today, we're to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be think like people as a whole care about them. I would hope so. Here's a thing. Today, we're going to be talking about conscious hip hop versus club hits. Which one's better?

And... See, I think, see, we're already in a place that's wow, because you can't say which one is better, right? It's which one do you... I can't do that. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. that. that. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's which one do you... I can. No, you can't do that. Listen, it's which one you prefer, okay? It's like, which one do you prefer? Because I'm going to say, because you have one that you think is like better, and then I have one that I think is preferable to listen to. Okay, all right. Because when we say better, what are the qualifications for that? Okay. Okay, okay, that's that's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's that's the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that's that's that's that's that's the that say better what are the qualifications for that? Okay, okay. That's a good point because my thing is I'm gonna go with conscious hip-hop

because one, I think I enjoy the journey more. It's too because you're wearing that hat? Okay, wow. Wow. We're going for personal attacks that have nothing to do with the argument. I love this hat. It says achieve on the side. It says achieve on the front. You turn it to the side. It says achieve on the side that I chose to be the side. It's round. Any side can be the side.

Absolutely. I could. And then people from the back would be like, who is that a chiever walking past me? Back to the topic at hand though. All I'm saying is that conscious hip-hop, it takes you, it takes you to a place that helps you digest society as it's happening in the moment or the past as the people living in it it saw it and club hits it's just heathenism you know it's just it's just sort of rubbing together. Listen as a Christian woman all right? I don't know what you believe in I don't know what God you serve but we've never really talked about what faith you have.

So this is the thing, it's, I listen to NPR, okay? I listen to NPR, I get on CNN. I am very aware of all of the things that are happening, right? Absolutely, absolutely. This is happening here. This is a problem here. We gotta go march again, right? So, is that, wait, is that how you react? Ooh, we gotta go march again. I mean, we've been marching my mother's, we've been marching forever. Yeah, we've been marching for a while.

I feel like that's honestly just a prerequisite to Black Fitness, you know, it's just, guys, we gotta get out there and it is way over there. So we're gonna be building these calves, gonna be fighting the power. The best thing that ever happened to marching was a sneaker. Yeah, because they could stop it. When they were out there marching their scea- When sneakers came out, they were like, who is gonna stop these blocks? Listen, because before they were out the marching, they're marching, they're they're to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to be to be to be their, to be their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their.e. Wea, to be going.c.c.c.c.c. Wea, toe.c.c. Wea, toe.c. Wea, toe. We're going going going. We're going. We're going. to be going. they was out there marching in a straight church shoe. Just a hard bottom. When you try to march in church shoes, you really have to think about how much you care

about the thing that you march it for. Because about after eight steps you're like, hey, hey, listen, could we stay, we can still, we can still, we can sing and be still. Can everything be a sit-in? Can everything be a sit- I- I. I mean it was to sit right now. Listen, would you just... The sitting came from the Marches B T. T. Like, like, hey, hey, listen, we can't make, all of us can't make it all the way over there, so let's just take over a lunch counter because they don't let us eat it there anyway. So let's just, we'll kill two, with one, let's make it happen. I'll let you help, hit me with the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks the milks, hit me, hit me, hit me, hit me with the milks, hit me with the milks, hit me with the milks, the milkshick, the milkshue, hit me the milkshick, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their touche, their touche, touche, their their their their their their the.k. I'll let you help hit me with the milkshake before I walk in these church shoes for seven miles yeah because you know what a milkshake washes off bunions don't no no I can

get a new pressing curl okay I can wash this dress but my feet on the other hand my Achilles is going through it so so going through it's going through it man So going through. My Achilles is killing me. Man, I mean I understand why it's such an issue. So fucking up my ACL. Um, when I'm listening to music, Mm-hmm. I don't want to think about all the shit that's wrong in the world.

Okay. I want to stop, I'm here to listen. I don't want to hear about all the hardships hardships hardships hardships hardships hardships hardships hardships hardships hardships hardships hardships hardships hardships hardships the hardships the hardships the hardships the hardships the hardships the world. Okay. I wanna stop, I'm here to listen, I don't wanna hear about all the hardships in your neighborhood and all that other nonsense, okay? I don't wanna hear about that shit. Fulchants, I don't wanna hear about your local struggle. No, I don't wanna hear about how hard it is in your corner of America, brunt. No. could? Bro, no. Oh you Robin, oh everybody's robbing, okay first of

almost, everybody's robbing. Wow, things really bad on third and ninth. Right, like oh, let's go to the Bronx. Like I don't want this play-by-play news story of what the fuck it, what's fucked up in your area. Like I'm not, I don't want, I don't want, I don't that. Because I already know, shit's bad I already know. I already know shit's bad over here, shit's bad over here. There's already the misconception that people think like, oh well like the North's not as racist, which is a lie. And it's like, oh it's not as in your face. I'm just like, okay, so yes, this man might not have a Confederate flag t- t-t-shirt on, but he he's he's he's he's he's he's hehehehehehehehehe he he he he he the, but he he he he's the, but he's the, but he's the, but he's the, but he's the, but he's the, but he's the, but he's their, but he's their, but, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, th, th, th, th, th, th... There, th, th. th. th. th. There's th. th. th. th. th. th. there's th. th. there's th. there's there's there's there's th. There's there's there's there's there's there's there's but he's still not gonna let you with this fucking apartment, so who gives a shit? So, people be like, oh, it's not in your face, racism, all racism in your fucking face.

If you won't let me live here, it's in my face. Some goofy bitches in the lobby asking me to prove when I live here, I'm like, bitch I got a key file. already have the shit's. Sure, sure. So when I'm listening to my musica, I don't want to hear that shit. You know what I want to hear about when I'm listening to my musica? What is that?

Guns hose money. That's what I want to hear. That's what I want to hear. What you out here doing? Is you getting today? Like that's what I want to hear. I want to hear repetitive beat that'll let me shake something. That conscious rap you can't, I was like, I always think about this. I was like, so do they have like conscientious rap clubs? Like you're just sitting in there thinking with a bunch of other niggis? You just sitting thinking bobbing. Yeah, you're just bob back and hard out here. No, bro, I want to shake something.

I'm trying to forget. I'm trying to see how many men want me to rub my butt on their pelvis. I don't appreciate that, but he didn't see what happens. He could be a nice man. People are throwing books of people putting too many clothes on this club. So, okay, okay. I don't, I want, like for me, it's like, I don't wanna say like escapeism, but it's like, I already know about all of the shit that's bad.

I don't need you. I don't need you, I don't need you to put the news to a beat, I to, I to, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the to, the to me, to me, to, to me, to, to me, to, to me, to, to me, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to a beat, I don't need that. So I will say this, okay, so you have perfectly made your point and teed me up for mine. Because, hmm, the guns, the hose, the money, the butt rubbing, it's all, since it's all the same, I can't, after a while, you lose me, you know? It's like, I want you to rub my butt like this. I want to rub all your butt like that. It, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's that. It's that. It's that. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it want you to rub my butt like this. I want to rub all your butt like that. It's just, it's not only a bit repetitive, but it's like I can guess the ending of the song. Okay, but in the social conscious rap, I can also guess the ending because y'all still out here being broke, the government's still, the cops are still killing us.

Like, fuck the police is a song that can come out every single year. Sure, sure. Like, it's the same thing. We're not learning new shit. Nothing new is happening. Nothing is truly, you're still, what, what's the new topic? Gentrification? What are you talking about now?

Dogecoin? Are they, that's, that's, that's, thi the hood? Are they... That's what's happening in these songs. No one's giving you like, hey, we're going to strategize. Like no one's, like Commons not telling you how to win a local election, like that's not happening. They're like, these are the fucking- You know. That, that is good then. That means that the only thing missing, bridging this gap between us, would be a conscious

rap that wasn't about something that happened. It's about a plan. So if you, if you heard a song that was about a plan, that was like, this is a nice to, and a good plan, you would be down for it. You couldn't do it. You could, you could be like, okay, this is a nice flow, and a good plan. I like this plan. I mean, isn't the goal always to bop though?

You gotta get, if there's not a bop. I mean, people aren't gonna listen to it. So you still gotta get somebody about. There's the thing about bobs though. People are now, especially with clubs hits, people, forgetting to even check for the lyrics. You don't know what you're bopping your head to. You could be bopping your head to just pure, unadulterated gang violence on you. The song could be about beating you and you're like, man, this thing slaps and then all the sudden people jump you.

And you have no idea why. My thing is, I truly understand that the Jake holes dance to it. You can't really like, like, swing your hips. But oh, if he can't ride aflo, if he, if he, if he can't put something out there that not only, I understand that you don't want to think as much, because this is kind of like how I like, I think that we're, this mirrors our personalities though, because I very much like documentaries and you very much like Korean dramas you know I love a documentary the problem is all the documentaries now are about true crime and I don't want to see true crime also it's always true crime documentaries about white people getting

murdered like nigges get murdered people of color get murdered like y'all ain't trying to do no cold case of you know a black man who was incarcerated yeah yeah and he was an innocent person like the innocence project if the innocence project became a production house they win every Oscar can I can I I'm digressing for a second but this is that you just reminded me of this as someone who is seen real crime yeah yeah this is someone who is seeing real crime. Yeah. This is messed up but like I wonder what's like when you see a crime and then you see a documentary about that crime but you're like man they should have interviewed me they got it all wrong.

This is nothing like what happened. I was there for it. I'm in the shot I'm in the shot and they didn't get me. Listen, I had a neighbor on gangland one time and my mother was like, this is nonsense. This is absolute lies. Lies. None of this was happening. Like, she was so aggravated because she was just like, they wasn't doing half of this shit. So when it came out, we were like, me and my home boy, like, and his sister, it was like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, and my sister, it were like, this moth fuck was lying, like the whole time we was watching it, and then there was some dude on there who was supposed to be in the gang. Yeah. And then nobody knew who he was.

So like, they just hired some actor. I'm like, they must have just ran like I don't know if gangland that week was just out of gangs and it was like well we heard about this over in Gwinnett County and I'm just like hey man this is wild but um but my mother was like this is nonsense my mother really went they should have interviewed me I had told him I was like the last thing you need is to be on gangland the thing thing that I th th th th th th th th I I I I th I th I I th I th I th I th I th I th I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I th like th like like like that I th I th like th I th I that I that I thin thin th like th like th like th like th like th like th like th like th like th like they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they thin that that that thin the the the the the they they they they they they they they they they they I was like the last thing you need is to be on gangland. The thing that I love about gangland type stuff though is this is a perfect opportunity to hype up your gag so you could be like, a lot of people don't know we killed JFK. That

was up. They thought we weren't really out here like that but we've been out here. And we got that man all right I could you imagine if like it was like malditos they was like yeah homes we got JFK we got JFK all right and the FBI was so scurred that they covered it up what if the crypts just killed JFK I imagine they could have done it but by accident. They have done. They just saw a drop top and they were just like, yeah, that's that fool. You're like, oh, that was the president?

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it. There are some, like Atlanta is a great example. Atlanta club hits are authentic. They're like, they're like people run up on a DJ or they have a friend that can get their stuff played and then some people play it, then they play it in that club, people follow that person on Instagram, DJ gives them a shout out, they build up a real following and everything. But the rest of the game at large, the broad, like brush strokes of music, it's still the same like label payola type thing that we pretend we aren't still doing from the 70s or whatever. Like it's

still very much like, okay I have the back end of this person to get me a feature by this person and get pumped up by this person. So now all of a sudden my club hit is is like on fire. But I'm like if this was if this had to exist in a vacuum it would have never got here whereas I feel like a lot of conscious songs don't really have that problem it's like most of the most of the conscious rappers that I enjoy are only semi famous they're not like because the shit is boring the niggins the niggins their stuff because nobody fucking care that's the thing like nobody is like sitting up running them to a club is like, hey, let me hear this.

I don't even know no social conscious rappers because that's how much I don't care. But, give me a socially conscious rapper, like a conscious rapper, like, give me a. No name. No name is not. No name is not, like she is at a place where I'm. a no name. Yeah, but no name is not, no name is not a Cardi B, no name is not, like she is at a place where I don't think this should happen, but I think very well she is going to plateau where she's at.

Because now the people that know about her, love her, talk about her and everything, but for whatever reason it doesn't spread even more to like the masses. Everything hits critical mass. Like at a certain point you're just famous. Like there's not new people like Brad Pitt is famous he's established, right? Like Angela Bassett established. Like Angela Bassett legit famous. But Loretta Divine is not as famous as Agile Bassett. Mm-hmm. But Loretta Divine like it as famous as Agile Bassett. But Loretta Divine, like it's crazy, because I feel like sometimes certain people are like,

black famous. Like a lot of time when I'm on the shade room they'll be talking about people, I'm like, who the fuck is this? Who the fuck is that? Like, there's so many people they talk about on the shade room, I don't know who any of any any any any any any any any any any any any any any any any any any tha ers are but I should know so but I think the other thing that I think about like when it comes like socially conscious rap or like stuff like that is like like I think about like first like the number of white people that try to like talk to me about like rap like music if it's if it's a white girl she's asking if I know who Lizzo is when I'm just like well first

all I'm not Lizzo so leave me alone second beat it lady like I get it go away stop talk you're not gonna connect with me on this okay talk me a little wing you goofy lady but when I look at like when I look at like, what I think about the number of white people that are like, well, I'm really in an old school hip hop. But I'm like, really? Because we're done with it. That's why we call it old school hip hop. No. Like it's not, because like if you think about like hip hop, like the style changes so much, because at first it was all conscious, right? Sure, sure. And then there was the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the th.. I, like, like, like, like, like, like, conscious, right? Sure, sure. And then there was a break, like a whole, you know, like a Protestant Catholic situation where it was just like, we're all doing the same thing.

And then there was a break where it was just like, I just want to have fun. I just want to go out, I want to dance, and that is it. Because I am very aware of like who consumes what. So it's interesting that people are like, well, because they try to act like that you know black people don't contribute to the American economy whatsoever, which is wild, because we are some of the biggest consumers. But when it comes to like, when I talk when it's like it's conscious rap music, the people who are talking to me about conscious rap music a lot of times are white people. So it's like they're getting new information because like as black people,

because we're not the dominant culture, because we're minorities in this country quote unquote, we have to know all of the white things. Yeah. But white people aren't required to know the black things. That's fair. So they're listening and he's like, oh my God, I didn't know that this was such a problem. I'm like, what do y'all do all day? What are you, like, how do you not know that there are issues in other communities? Like, it's the thing that's always been wild to me where it's just like, I'm just, I just wasn't, I mean, are y'all really sure?

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well I didn't know they were going through so much so they're like catching up on news that happened 20 years ago. Because like, that's like, that's that's the ta. That's fair. That's fair we're gonna dance forever, wanna shake forever. Like, I feel like that's why sometimes, like, on a bunch of black people laughing, bothers white people so much because no matter, they've done all of these things for all, like, we've literally been in America for like 402 years. Mm-hmm. And it's gotten better than it was before because before we were Stolen and brought here answers were stolen brought here as property

So it's better than it was before But we're still dealing with things that we've been dealing with since Jim Crow It's like Jim Crow ended on paper, but now it's like we desegregated schools and now they've resegregated schools But they've done it so slowly, you just look up and you're like, I'm, damn, man, ain't no white kids at this school. What the, they got us again. So when I look at stuff like that, it's like we are, what are we doing? Because there's still going to be, the break happened for a reason. Like the split, like, like, like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the like the split happened for a reason because it just gets to the point where you're just like every time I turn on a

record I can't hear about this shit because it's like is there conscious R&B? or is that just Neo Soul music? I mean yeah he might be alone in that. break. Or is it just spoken word? it's just poetry? It's just poetry. I mean, yeah, he might be alone in that. Right. Or they're just spoken word. Also, spoken word. Ugh, it's just poetry. What do we do? It's just poetry.

It's low-key rapping. Like, what are we talking about right now? Yeah, I do feel like spoken word is for conscious rappers who have trouble staying on beat. You know, they're like, I just gotta go with, you know, my God-giving gifts, let me be the beat. And then they, there's like, that, that bass is throwing me off, let me just do my thing. Because it is, I mean, I've never seen a spoken word poem that I thought was like, oh, this shit. Like, I felt before that some of them should be songs, but then I was like, no, there's no beat to like, like his top end and his back end are like complete. So I guess if he had a beat switch, he could make it work with both, but that seems too hard now.

But they're all doing the same, the thing is they're all doing the same. It's like, have you ever been in like a salsa club? Yeah. But, so it's basically the same song all night. It kind of is, but some people, like, so I don't know if you watch any spoken word I used to when I was in high school. And two things happened. There was a big schism in spoken word where some of them stayed with like that like like bongo beat type like, and my brother, like that thing.

And then other ones really did start like almost rapping, but they would just go so fast until they were out of breath. And you would actually hear them go, like it was, like you could hear them gas because they were just like streamlining the whole poem and my brother I'm trying to tell you that I guess like you're not twister just tell me the words yeah and both of them couldn't go to a beat they stopped doing the okay so this is they stopped doing the fast thing because it made no sense no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th. no th. No th. No th. No I th. No I th. No I th. No I th. No I was I was I was I w. No th. No th. No th. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I I was. I I I I I I was. I I I I I I was. I I was. I was. I I I I I I I was. I I was. I I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm th. I'm. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm. I'm th. th. I'm th. I'm. I'm. I'm. I sense? No, no, no, I wish. But in Chicago, I went to an open mic night a couple times. Like as I was getting it to stand it, it was a mixed open mic. It was like stand up a little bit of everything. And there was this guy that would do spoken word.

And the first two times he brought bogos. But even he could tell he could he he could he he could keep he he could keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep up he he he he he he could keep up he he could keep up he he could keep up he he he he could keep up that he he that he could that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he he he he he he he he he he he to keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep keep up up up. to keep up. to keep up. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the first two times he brought bongoes, but even he could tell he couldn't keep up with what his hands were doing. So, then the next two times I saw him, he didn't have any bogus. He just left him at home. I mean, you have to realize, because it's like that kind of like beatnik thing from the fit, like, it's funny because thethe only people, like certain people still swing dance, and

then like this beatnik, they're like the rockabilly kind of vibe that some people still fuck with. And then like the 50s was such an amazing time. It's kind of rough for everybody, basically. It's like black people went, yeah, that beatnik shit, we'll keep it, and then just turning a spoken word. Yeah. Because okay so where does Kendrick Lamar fall on this? He's I think he falls in conscious because of the the damn album and the Pulitzer like he was already like section 80 and to Pim a butterfly

all that stuff like that those weren't really he did kind of bridge a little bit because he had songs like, he had songs like I, he had songs like DNA, he had things that people like bop to in a way that was not like club dancing but it was like they were really rocking with it and everything. So he's sort of like an outlier of a lot of these other people because he... But like if you played Be Humble in a club, it would bop. Like people would dance to that. So he kind of found a way to like Bridget.

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Sesame Street Muppets take Manhattan more like a Muppet Nuss Sesame Street way more Muppet. So what you so here's the thing first of all you owe those people nothing. Second the qualifier doesn't make it better the quality like the qualifier is only going to take what you're doing right now, which is taking a Kedgummar fan and coming to you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the quali the quali the qualifier. the qualifier. the qualifier. the qualifier. the qualifier. The qualifier. The qualifier. The qualifier. The qualifier. The qualifier. The qualifier. the qualifier. the qualifier. the qualifier the qualifier the qualifier the qualifier the qualifier the quali the qual. the qual. the qual. the qual. the qual. the qual. the qual. the qual. the qual. the qual. the qual. The quali the the qualifier. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the qualifier the qualifier the qualifier the qualifier the qualifier doesn't the qualifier doesn't the qualifier doesn't the qualifier the qualifier the qualifier the qualifier the qualifier is only going to take what you're doing right now, which is taking a Kendrick Lamar fan and coming to, you actually had common ground and then you decide to jack hammer it. You had like, I was like, hey, you're not a huge, I can live with that. And then you were like, let me throw in a couple things. Yeah.

I like what he's saying. I just don't like, I can say this, I'm very into people's voices, right? Okay. So that is important for me. Like I listen to like the quality, the timbre of someone's, the musicality of someone's voice, right? So to me, if you sound like you should be standing next to Gonzo, I'm not, I'm not really gonna be. So I will, I will ask you this question about

club hits in general. I understand what you're saying about the consciousness, sometimes being a bit too much, but here's the thing, I, I, there's two points that I basically want to try to make simultaneously, so address whichever one of them first that you, that you, that you, that you, that you, that you, that you, that you feel, that you feel, that you feel, that you feel, that you feel, that you feel, that you feel, that you feel, th you feel, th you feel, th you feel, thi, thi, thi, thi thi that you feel, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi that you feel that you feel that you feel, that you feel, that you feel, that you feel, that you that you that you that you that I, I, there's two points that I basically want to try to make simultaneously, so address whichever one of them first that you, that you feel needs addressing. One, I would make conscious, socially conscious rap, only a part of the pie of what I feel like conscious rap is. Sometimes I think conscious rap is just outright lyricism, like outright saying anything. Because I understand the socially conscious stuff is exhausting to a degree, especially when you live it and, you know, being at the daily show, we have to read about it and work in it. So I understand needing a break and not being like, I want a reminder of what I left,

when I go home. But I think that when you take the time to put in incredible all of these aspects of poetry into your lyrics, I personally, only me personally also put that in a conscious vibe because I'm So you think there aren't club rappers that are writing good lyrics? I think that there are some, but I think that overall, the same way that you told the same way that, th th th th th th th th. th. th....... th. th. th. In th. In th. In incredible the same way th. In incredible thi the same way thi the same way the same way the same way the same way the same way the same thi thi the same way the same thi. In incredible, incredible, incredible, incredible, incredible, incredible, incredible, incredible, incredible thi thi the same the same the same the same incredible incredible incredible thi thi the same the same the same the same the same the same thi the same way the same way the same way the same way th....... the same way th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the same way. thi. the same way. the same way think that there are some but I think that overall the same way that you told me that like a certain point we we get it yeah that that's how I feel about a lot club hits because I'm like here are all the things that I at least because because of who I am because I'm like you know you know me but if you're listening you might not I'm like I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I the the the the the th th th th th the th th th the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th like a th like a the th th. I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like th th th th. I'm like th. I'm like th. I'm like th. I'm like th. I'm like th. I'm like th. I'm like th. th. the the the the the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the th. I'm like the the the th. I'm like th. I'm like a the th. I'm like a th. I'm like a th. I'm like a th. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like because I'm like you know you know me, but if you're listening you might not I'm like a nerd I'm like I'm like I'm like a pretty

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There's plans I've been tricked just, ah, fooled. But also sometimes you just want to go out, you want to be with your friends and I don't want some man behind me right like off me get off me beat a nerd so like I understand but there is those times I'm like listening to like you know club hits and stuff like that room just like all right yep we're drinking again we're taking all the drugs again we're getting these holes not as other shit so it's just you can get too full of one or the other, right? It's like when you go to like a Latin club and it's just like, okay, we're gonna play meringue for a little bit, we're gonna play a bachata for a little bit, we're gonna play

salsa for a little bit. Because if you're just hearing like a salt, like salsa all night long, or bauchato or any of that, because of the dance that you do to those songs, basically the same melody just set a little bit different, and then it's just someone else singing about being in love. So after a certain point, you're just like, I can't hear this song again. But if you put on Suave Mente, it's going down. Please know that about me.

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I can't hear about the social shit anymore. You just have to, that's why I can confuse people like, don't listen like different genres of music. Like so this is all you listen to. I have met people like that. It's wild. I'll throw on it like it's listening I have like the other day I listened to Arianna Grande a bachata song and then a gospel song and this was one, two, three. Yeah, yeah.

So it's, I feel like people, I'm people who would agree with me about conscious rap that only listen to it and they're too much for me. I'm like, hey, unless you're gonna go do something, we can't just sit here. Like, like, I've been in those sessions where you just chill with a frid and they're like, oh yeah, put on that other album. And I'm like, this clearly doesn't motivate you to you you you you to to to to to to to to to to do you to do you to do you to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to thi. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that conscious that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thoooooooooooo. that. that. that. that. that. that other album, put on that other album that I'm like, this clearly doesn't motivate you to do anything because. Because they're sad, Josh, because they're sad. At least when you're listening to little John, you just want to get up and run around or just yell, yeah, like you want to do something. Yeah, I'm, I the little John is the sound that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. that's. I that's. I that's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. that's. It's. It's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. It that's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a, th. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's th. It's. It. I do those I think those is the sound track to my friends

getting arrested. That like I'm telling you that's a I think that's the other reason why I don't vibe with club stuff as much because I just I have a lot of bad memory. Okay this is that this may have to be cut this is five but I went to a club one time where it was a local, you talked about you don't wanna hear local conscious rap that's like what's going on over there. Yeah, what I tell you that a lot of, because you're from Atlanta so I think, I think I can safely say you've been spoiled with good like underground hip hop the tip hop the tip, theytip, like, a lot of it's trash. A lot of, a th... A, a th. A, a th. A, a, a, a, a, a, like, I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, a.. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. it's trash. A lot of the times you'll see some dude and you're at a club or something or a bar

You're at a club and then they'll just have some local act Come up and just tell you what's happening on like boulder crest and you're just like yeah, yeah that's one street dude or like whatever they're doing on like the south side. Yeah, I'm like Hey man like you got a, like, that's like, that. that's. that's. I that's. I that's. I that's. I that's. I that's. I that's. I that's. I that's. I that's that's that's that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a th. th. th. th. th. their their their their their their their their their their they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their. their. their. their. their. their. their. they're they're they're their their their their their their their their their their th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'll just just just. I'll just. I'll just have just have. I'll just have just have some some. their their their their their their their their the you gotta, also I think you're dry snitching, first and foremost. Yeah. First and foremost. That's, I think that's my other issue is that a lot of these club hits are not, they're not put together the most creative way. So then you just end up presenting exhibit A in court.

Like, you don't, you don't have anything else to say, you don't have any sort of flowery language to hide the fact that this is exactly what you did. Like, like, yeah, it's like, okay, and I shot him, and I was like, you know, there's like a whole key and peel sketch about it. Yeah, where it's just. At a certain point you're like, you're like, you're making, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, making me nervous because I'm here to watch the show. Like, they might take all of us.

I'm an accessory to what's happening right now. But it's like, but I think there's a place for both of them. I just think for me, it's, I mean, I do understand that it's a way to let people know who aren't on the up and up when it comes to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting to like getting their to like getting their their to like getting their their their their their to like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like getting, like getting their, like getting their, like getting to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get their, like, like, like, to get, to get, to get, to to to to their, to their, to, their, their, their, their, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, the up and up when it comes to like getting their news. Or before there was like social media and you really only knew, you didn't have a whole worldwide kind of like perception of what was really happening in other places. So I think socially conscious rap could tell you what was happening somewhere else. Because the West Coast came out with some club boppers to South known for it, but like I don't know, because like, you know, one of our friends just constantly likes to shit on like southern hip hop because he thinks that northern hip hop is better and I'm just like,

what do you niggers do when you go to the club? Like truly, truly. If you're in here playing Wu Tang all night, what are you really? Yeah. Because the thing is, they're not talking about that much different shit. Yeah, yeah. It's just the beat is different. Like your issue is like how they sound and what the beat sound. the neosou so the beat so the beat so the beat so the beat sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou sou so the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th so th so th so. th so. th so sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds sounds the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th sound. th sound. th sound. thou. thou. th. tho. tho. th. the. the. theat, theat, the. theat. the. the. the. they they're they're they're never been to, because even like those fucking, like Spokenwood shows are kind of depressing.

Them neo-sou shows is just like, okay, everyone in here is, you're currently, I don't know how you burn incense in your own dreads, but whatever. So it's like, I get it, all right, white man's religion is trash. Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the the the the they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, I I's, I's, tho, tho, tho, thooooo, thooooo, thoooooooo, thoooooooo, thooo, tho, tho got it. These crystals will help you. Cool, cool, cool, cool. That's what you believe in. Fine, fuck with it. But you get in those shows and I'm just like, okay, everyone's in earth tones and they're still talking about fucking. Like, that's the thing. At the end of the day, everybody's talking about fucking. And whatever way you're doing it, you're talking thing thing thing thing thing thing thi their thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, th. thi, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. theeee, thi. thooooooooooooooooooooooo. thing about fucking. So like I think like one of the best examples like a socially conscious rap song that I could fuck with is like you know that Tupac song Brenda's having a baby.

Mm-hmm. Great example of a socially conscious song that you can bop to right? Yeah, yeah. It's like damn team pregnancy has a problem in our community but also... Hey! as a problem in our community, but also, hey! I also was like in college when like Little John was popping off. When that whole crunk music shit was popping off, I was in college. Yeah. Well, that's a huge thing with music though is that I've been told and this is not it's not science or anything but I haven't been seen it prove wrong yet that whatever you listen to in high school and the early part of college is going to be music to you forever you're never going to get broken from

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I don't know if it's that deep. I'll say that it's like all the suburban black people I knew really fuck with them. I think about like there's so many times I was like try to like listen to socially conscious rap and been like okay and I feel like I should be taking notes like like every time I listen to one of those songs I'm just like oh we have such a, we have such a, like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, like, th, like, like, like, th, like, like, th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like been like, okay. And I feel like I should be taking notes. Like every time I listen to one of those songs, I'm just like, oh, we have such a, we have such, like, it's just like, it's holding a mirror up to America. It's holding up your mirror, it's up,

your like experience as a black person in America. And I'm just like, I don't want this. I mean, I, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm th, I'm just, I'm just, I, I'm just like, I'm just, I'm like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm just just, like, I'm just just just, like, like, like, I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm just, like, I'm just, I'm just, want this. I don't want this. I mean, I understand what you're saying, but like I think like when it comes to like the lyrics. Mm-hmm. Because like, we can all, we can both agree that like, Little Wayne is, little Wayne is amazing. Like, the use of a metaphor, the the imagery of shit, like, it's you can, don't do that. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th use of a metaphor, the use of assimilie, like the imagery of shit, like it's you can,

don't do that. I so, I so appreciate the concession that you're making at the common ground that you're trying to build, but I, little Wayne is my one where I'm like, I don't really care. Okay. I hear's the thing. I respect his, you know, people talk about lyricism, people talk about his adaptability and how he's kept his music consistently relevant over the years. I completely respect that, but overall, if you want to talk about voices, you want to talk about Kendrick's voice, little Wayne sounds like six babies that got possessed by one big baby all talking at the same time. I've never heard I've never heard little Wayne

sound like a grown man. You did his first album when he was 14. What is confusing to me about little Wayne is that he had a deeper voice at 14. Yeah. Then he does right now, but it's just the way he performed, it's just his performance voice, I guess. I think it is. I think when you hear him talking like an interview, mm-hmm.

He does sound like an adult, but. Yeah, then he sounds dangerous. Then I'm like, oh, I don't know if we could be friends with a little way. Like, I could try. I'm friends with a lot of people. I mean, listen, honestly, everybody needs somebody to talk to, you know, maybe I can. It's so funny because like, have you ever had like been friends with somebody and one of your other friends was like, hmm, I wouldn't expect you to be friends and you just go, I don't know what that means, I don't know't that mean, I mean, I mean, I that mean, I that mean, I that mean, I that mean, I that mean, I that mean, I that mean, I don't that mean, I don't that mean, I that mean, I don't know, I don't know, I don't that mean, I don't that mean, I don't that mean, honestly, I don't that, honestly, honestly, honestly, honestly, honestly, honestly, honestly, honestly, honestly, honestly, honestly, honestly, honestly, honestly, I mean, honestly, I that that that that that, I that, I that, I that, I that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that that that that, that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that to to to to to to to you to to to to you to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, oh, your friend, I wouldn't have expected that. I'm like, I don't know if we're gonna,

I don't know if we're gonna stay friends if we keep having a conversation. But like, okay, it's like, I understand. Like my concession would be, it's reporting the news, right? It's telling what's happening in your hood, because sometimes you feel like what's happening to you where you live, sometimes feel like this is the only, you're the only one going through that. So like when it's like when you have like more visibility of like, when you just increase,

visibility of different groups of people. So like, you know, minority groups, people, people with different, like, you know, plus size people, people in the disabled community, people in the LGBTQIA community, you know, the BIPOC community, like all of these groups, like we're not, we're starting to see more, yeah, right? You're like, okay, this like, it's almost like a representation thing, which is like, oh, so you know how your hood is fucked up? Guess what? My hood is also fucked up. This is what's happening over here.

I can understand, I can give you that concession work and kind of just show people like, you're not the only ones going through this. Sure. But at the same time, you can't play it out of a party though. My concession to you is that I definitely, definitely have enjoyed many club hits over the years and while I don't always, I don't always vibe with everything that comes out, there's usually one about each topic that I'm like, okay, I arrive with this. This is, okay, this is like so, you know know we talk about money, sex, alcohol, all the stuff.

I have at least, every year I feel like I have at least one money song, one alcohol song, one sex song out of the out of the club hits that I, that is just to me undeniably good. And for that reason, I can understand why going down that rabbit hole more, I might, I might be more into club hits eventually. Okay, now listen, now when I find me a who's been, right? Maybe it would be easier to find one when I start saying the word correctly, I don't know. Of course it would be invited to my wedding, right? Now, on the program for the wedding, it will have a designated time to Swag Surf. It is going to happen. Okay. How do you feel about that song? I can start preparing now,

and then I think I'll be good to go. So you don't know how to swag surf? I don't know how to swag surf well. Mmm, that's not required? The way that I swag surf though, I, most of the dances I think I know how to do I've been told to stop. That's interesting, right? Yeah, yeah. Okay, now. Go to a club and I try to dance to one these

club hits, I'm you I usually end up having to apologize to somebody because I don't know how it is that that no one else is not gonna drink side people's hands it's just me but I'm try to stay cordoned I'm try to stay on beat. As someone who has known you for a few years now, you do strike me as someone who has a body that would not match up well to music. This is exactly like the Kendrick thing, because I already said what I did. I didn't need you to add to the thing. Thank you so much for listening to our podcast, Hold up or is it called Hold Up? Uh-uh. There is no way that we can get off a podcast talking about club hits without talking about

the song that has caused us the most amount of contention. What are you talking about? You know exactly the song I'm talking about. Don't you look at me? I tend to wipe things that I think are absolutely trash from memory. I tend to try to scrub that out of my consciousness. Don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about. That's right, the Amazing Crime Mob hit, Nuck if you buck.

Don't act like I wasn't gonna bring it up. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Nuck if you buck is probably one of the songs that I most despise because it's not, it's, not only is it not good. It's lies. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

So we were having a thing at work one day, we were talking about if there was a new Negro spiritual, thiiiiiiiiiii nigh. I cannot believe we went this long without bringing us up. If there was a new Negro spiritual, what would it be? Yeah. I, of course, said, Nuck if you bug, Josh came out of fucking, not even left field, the parking lot of a baseball game and said, Georgia, but not the Ray Charles version of Georgia, the ludicrous version with Jamie

Fox singing the Ray Charles verse. I didn't know, I thought it had to be a hip-hop song. If I had known it was just completely, I picked a hip-hop song. No, we were just singing any song. Any song in the realm of blackness, I picked, Nuck if you buck that has brought many people together, but also divided so many, and you picked- It is arrested as many people as it is set free.

One, the issue was you brought up a song that only I knew and you knew. Because anyone else- Because it was you and I talking. That's why I made it just a you and me think, because it was you and I talking. That's not how I did that. That's why I made it just you and me think because it was just you and me. I didn't know you were going to blast it out to the rest of the office. No, it wasn't blasted out like that. It wasn't blasted out like that because there were other black people standing in their room day, said,

knock a few buck, of course. And he knew the song. Even someone who's not even, who's black, who didn't even grow up in America. Who is British was like, of course, knock if you buck. And I said, why? And they're like, because how it makes you feel. Now, I understand that you don't like this song because what did you tell me it sounds like to you?

I don't remember. I can tell you because it hurt me because it hurt me. It was accurate. It didn't hurt me, hurt me, but I was like, damn, he's right. You said that, nuisance, thrown down the hallway, the juvenile detention center. thatatat, I I I I I I, thatatatat, than, than, than, than, than, than, than, than, th. th. th. too, too, th. too, thu. too, tho, to say, too, too, too, told, to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to me. to me. to me. to me. to me. to me. to me. to me. to me. to me. to me. to me. to me. to me. to me. to me. too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, t. t. t t t t t t t t today. today. today. too. today. toe. too. too. too. too. too. too. torown down the hallway of a juvenile detention center. I do recall that now, yeah. Now, anyone have ever said that to has been like, he's completely accurate. Yeah.

But the song still slaps. The song still slaps, okay? And the thing is this became a running thing in the office. So me, being the individual that I am, got Josh a trophy that said, for knucking and bucking and b and b and b and b and being and being and being. And being. And being. And the the. the the the the the the the thi. the the thi. the the the the thi, and the the the thi, thi, the thi, the the th. thi, thi, the the the being the individual that I am, got Josh a trophy that said for knucking and bucking and being ready to fight, Josh Johnson. Now I was going to say first place, but I was telling Roy about it and Roy said, nah, I put runner up, which makes it so much funnier. It makes it so much meaner. And you also...

It was, it was, I felt hazed because I was new. I didn't like, I hadn't been at the show that long and I, and you mailed it to me. You did, you couldn't just bring it to me like a regular Christian. You mailed it to me. So then I got sent down to, to security to get my mail, and I was excited because I had never got mail at the show before. I was like, who knows that I'm here? And I opened it up and it was that travesty. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! The way you looked when you walked in my office, holding it down by your side?

You know, if you've made it this far and listening to the podcast, you're an absolute gem. You really appreciate you. I just want to thank y'all for me, for us listening. I didn't want to bring up, nutcif you buck at the beginning conversation because I didn't want to Josh to be mad at me the entire time. But we had to bring up the pinnacle, I didn't want to talk about the pinnacleacle, the ca cacle, the pinnacle, tapacle, the to thinal up the pinnacle I mean we talked about a little John we had to talk about the pinnacle club hit the banger all bangers okay banger of all bangers really making me regret my concession um thank you so much for listening I'm Josh Johnson and I'm Dulce Sloan and you've been listening to this has been a holdup

this You've been listening to two. This has been a holdup. Yeah, ha ha ha ha, because we held up their lives. Oh, yeah. We'll be back with more hold up in the future. Bye. Listen to Hold Up wherever you get your podcast and watch the video version at Daily Show.com backslash hold up.