The Daily Show: Ears Edition - How Racist Is Boston? - Beyond the Scenes

Episode Date: November 27, 2021

Roy Wood Jr. and producer CJ Hunt discuss their 2018 segment exploring Boston's reputation as a racist city, and Boston's NAACP President Tanisha Sullivan weighs in. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Head over to Ford.com to learn more. Built Ford Proud. Hey, what's up everybody? I'm Roywood Jr. Welcome to Beyond the Scenes. The podcast where we address issues that were originally talked about on the Daily Show with Trevor Noah. I sit down with correspondence, producers, writers, anybody I can get my hands on to break down a lot of these issues. Today we asked a question, how racist is Boston? In 2018 I set down with some people from the Boston Globe, some people from the NDACP. I even put on a Woki Walrus costume to really get to the bottom of the issue because

I don't know if you've heard or not, but Boston's got a little bit of a problem with race. Here's a clip. So one study we found showed that the median net worth of white families in Boston was $247,500. Compare that to the median net worth of black families in Boston, which was $8. 8, like $8,000.00, $8, $8, $8, $8, $8, $8, $8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, $8,000,000, $8,000, $1, $1, $1, $1, $1, $1, $1, $1,000,000,000,000, $1, $1, $1, $1, $1, $1, $ $1, $1, $1, $ $ $1, $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, of black families in Boston, which was $8. Like counting thousands? Like $8,000? No, just $8.8. $8. That's not even a grande soilat. Spotlight wants to know why black enrollment at many of Boston's universities hasn't really going up in 30 years,

or why there's so little diversity in boardrooms and hospitals, or how among eight major cities black people voted Boston the least welcoming to people of color. All right, so today we're going beyond the scenes with Daily Showfield producer C.J. Hunt and later we're going to be joined by Boston NWACP president Tanisha Sullivan. But first, CJ, how are you doing, brother? Boston original, were you born and raised in Boston? How long were you there? I was born in Worcester, Worcester, and then I was raised for a while in Boston.

I still can't pronounce that word, Worcester, Worcestershire sauce. Worcestershire. Yeah, that's exactly it. That's how you say it. That's. Were. Were. Were. Was. Was. Was. Was. Was. Was. Was it. Was it. Was it. Was it. Was it. Was itestershire sauce? Worcestershire. Yeah, that's exactly it. That sauce tastes like me trying to pronounce it. So we haven't had many field producers on the show yet, because y'all are always out doing stuff in the field. And it's an interesting job because, you know, as a field producer, you all are kind of helping

to put all the pieces together, the visuals. The writers kind of hand you an idea. You all help to kind of craft what the concept will be as well. And then you're out the door with the cameras trying to figure this out. I guess first thing I'll ask you out the ta. I know this piece wasn't my idea. because I know as a black person I would have never pitched. Hey, let me go to Boston as a black man and ask everybody if it's racist or not. So how does this piece all come about? Also not my idea.

As a black man who looks like a Mexican man, who grew up in Boston, I know how racist it is. This isn't a question a lot of black folks are asking, I know how racist it is. This isn't a question a lot of black folks are asking, you know, numerically, how racist is it? It's just, it is more an intuitive piece of knowledge, but I think that question came to the piece because this was actually my first piece on the show. It was a spring of 2018. You know, I just met you, you were the first person I met on the show and they were like, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and, thi, thi, thi, and, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. And, thi, thi,, I just met you. You were the first person I met on the show and they were like, okay, how would you like to go out with Roy? Here's a piece we have cooking. The piece originally was about Michael Che. You know, he had been, he had said on

S&L, you know, I'm like, like the Patriots were versus the Falcons for the Super Bowl and Michael Chez was like, hey I'm excited to see the blackest city beat the most racist city I've ever been to. So the piece originally was supposed to be about how Bostonians felt about Michael Chez shitting on their city. Oh he's always taking shots at them and they're always mad at Che. Yeah always mad at Che. And yeah it's his Staten Island I guess. So it was it was about that and also they were changing the name of Yaki Way, which was named after a Red Sox manager who, you know, kept them from integrating. So originally the piece was supposed to be about that, and then very quickly in pitching to Trevor, he was like, nah, y'all gotta change the question. It's one of those pieces that I enjoy

because we go out the door with a single question, we're attempting to ascertain. We're simply trying to find out how racist is it. And so, oh, here's a little beyond the scene, you wanna go beyond the scenes, bring them on. We shot all this in one day, which isn't the norm. But when we started putting the day together,

it kind of made sense. And so I remember, you know, we went over, we went over to Roxbury in Boston, the black side of town, if you don't know. And we spoke with black people over there. Then we went over to the Boston Globe, and we spoke with some of the NWACP people. And then we went over to Fenway to start doing man on the street and just kind of talking to Lehman, you know,

they were out and about. The thing that was so were to what's going on. I distinctly remember us asking one person, you know, is that racism? She goes, well, I've never seen it. I don't see that racism myself, honestly. No, I don't think Boston is a racist city. I don't think if Boston is a racist city at all. So how do you know?

I don't feel it. As if that's the only way it can be confirmed is you must see it and you must witness a black person getting kicked out of a store the cops beating his ass to believe that it's real and I thought that that was kind of disheartening in a way why why do you think Boston has his reputation as a racist city? It's also the best part of the piece to me you know you you asked that old couple, you know, this old white couple outside of Fenway, do you think Boston is a racist city? And what I love about watching you work is the questions are so basic, you know, you're just asking person after person, you know, like

do you think it deserves this rep? And they say, you know, I don't think Boston is a racist city. I don't see it. I've never felt it. And the idea is like, when would you have felt it, sir and ma'am? You know, you, like 70-year-old white people, when would someone have been racist to you? So, but I do think that that's, you know, this was 2018. That's how people then, and some people still now think about racism. It's like, you know, if someone's not shouting the N-word at me or I don't see it happen on a train, that's the only type of racism that can exist.

So I love that that's the part of the piece people comment most about it in the comments about, damn when this couple says this thing. And I think, you know, most Bostonian, most white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thiaqaqaqa, thia, the the the the the tian. tian. tha, tha, tha, tha, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tha, ta, ta, ta, tea., tea., tea., tea., tea., tea., tea., tha., tha., t if I don't feel it personally, then it doesn't exist. You being from that area, right? Clearly you felt it growing up as a black-looking Mexican man, as a Mexican-looking black for, as a Filipino Negro. Yeah, as a Filipino Latin-X black man, looking man. How did it feel? Because you could feel that

and you know that's real and then to be able to come back home with a camera and a correspondent. And security lots of security. We always roll a security run up if you want. Shout out to security. Yell and who wants this? Um, shout out. I. Last beat. Shout out to security yelling. Who wants this? Um, that's, I, if we had a real confrontational security call. You're asking questions in the background, you hear security. Try it. Come on.

Come on. Come on. I, okay, I don't want to say it felt like vengeance, but it felt vindicating to come back to Boston and in a place I grew up, you know, asking this question with a camera because, you know, I think white Bostonians who I know, some of their reaction was, oh, man, are you really going to do that? Come on, like, give us a break. But black Bostonians, I know and who grew up with, were like, yeah, okay, finally, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I, I, I, I, like, I, I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to. I, I, to. to. to. give us a break. But black Bostonians I know and who grew up with were like, yeah, okay, finally, you know, like, I don't think, I don't think there are a lot of black Bostonians

who react to the reputation, like, oh my god, I don't know why the media's hung up on this. Are we asking this question again? It's more like like, like, like, th, th, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, finally, th, finally, th, finally, th, finally, th, th, th, finally, th, th, th, thin, thi, finally, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, finally, thi, thin, thin, finally, thin, thin, finally, thi, thi, finally, thi, finally, finally, thi, thi, finally, we already know that, you know, like I grew up real bougy. I grew up in boarding schools because my parents were like, uh, get out of the house. But, you know, that, the type of racism there was not like walking through Southie at night type of racism. Like, the racism there was, okay, everyone, it's Friday, we have to have another meeting about who wrote the N-word in the mirrors in the bathroom. Like that was a very common,

the amount of meetings that I had in middle school and high school for who wrote the N-word somewhere is so high. And then also, the middle school I went to, in the dorms, people would just regularly use the word tar baby. Like, don't be a baby about this thing so it's kind of like you know bougy white people racism like my father's a Massachusetts governor we are a lineage of captains type type like yeah yacht boat boat shoe racism yeah it's a separate piece racism a little about holding Caulfield style racism. Nantucket racism. Describe to me a little bit of that process of as a first-time field producer at that time sitting down with

Trevor and just going like what was that like throwing your ideas at Trevor and just going, hey man, this is what I think I want to do, is it okay or was it, look, I'm from there, the writing inward on the mirror, I know how to handle this. I don't know. You remember the way we used to pitch in that big room, in the big conference room with Trevor? Like, we have since figured out at the Daily Show like a much more efficient way about

like, bro, here's a paragraph, you know, I'm gonna email it to you, tell us what you like and then we can talk about it. But there was a time when all of the field producers and the whole field team would go into a conference room, you know, so like we're talking like 20 plus people and sit in a conference room while Trevor is eating lunch and we would just almost as if it was like a game show, like try to stand up and pitch our entire pieces to him. And this was during that time. So I pulled up the original pitch, and I want to read a little bit of it to you. So it came to me, and it was supposed to be, okay, this is going to be an antiques road show about all the racist sort of signage and things Boston still had. And that didn't make a whole lot of sense. So this is what I wrote. And imagine like sitting across from Trevor as he eats pasta and reading this from a page.

OK, this is called By the Numbers. How racist is Boston. Here's the log line. Boston plans to change the name of Yaki, a street next to the stadium where the Red Sox play. The street is is is is is is is is to to the th. th. th. th. th. th. th is th is th. th. th. th. th. th. the is the, the, the, the, the, the, the racist is a the, the, the, the racist, the racist, the the the, the the thi, the the the th. th. th. th. thi, the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th...... I, th. I I, th. I I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. the. thea. trean. trean truea. truea. truea. truea. truea. truea. truea. truea. truea. the. street next to the stadium where the Red Sox play. The street is named after the racist team owner Tom Yaki, aka the Robert E. Lee of baseball. The removal is a rare acknowledgment of Boston's racist past, but how racist is it these days? Roywood Jr. sets out to answer this question, not with anecdotes, but with the numbers as loud and as clear as Tom Yackey's thoughts on miscegena-andationationationationationationationationationationationationationationationationation...... This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This, the the the the the the the number, to, to, to, to, to, to, the number, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, the the the to. the the to. to. to. to. to. to. to, to, to. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, miscegenation. This is the first in By the Numbers, a special investigative wing of TDS that sets out to answer questions we never thought to count on. How fucked is it VA and how bad is Flint's water?

Trevor? Like, it was me reading that whole thing. And imagine that for every field producer, it's like the most gut wrench. I don't even want to hear me read that that that that that that that that that the that that th. to. to. to. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the to, to, to, the to, to be to be to be to be to be to be to do to be to be to do to do to do to do to do to do to do, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, tode, tode, tode, today, today, today, today, today, today. And, today, today, today, today, today, today, tooo' and, today, today, today, today, producer, it's like the most gut wrench. I don't even want to hear me read that now. And it's funny because it's not that Trevor's not listening, he's processing all of it. And then he comes out on the other side and goes, here's what you need. Just ask how racist is Boston. And you're sitting in like, whoa, brilliance. Yes, you fix the pitch.

Yeah, and you're like so none, so none, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, the,. Yeah, and you're like, so none of the other stuff. But I think, you know, he, he, that is one of his great gifts. He would sit there and listen to all of that paragraph that I just read it and go, what is the story? And I'd go, well, I, well, I just read it, you know, the Robert E Lee of Baseball and the thing about, and things things things things things things things things things things things things me in one sentence what is this story about and I think that that was a big education for being in those rooms of oh damn yeah like why are we trying to impress you with all these jokes and all of these bits like you just want to know the thing and the thing that he boiled it down to for us was okay so spotlight the ones who exposed the Catholic Church sex scandal they're they they they they they they they they the they th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And th. And I I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And th. And th. And th. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the ones who expose the Catholic church sex scandal, they're

asking how racist is Boston, how do they measure that? And then that became the piece of, yeah, how do you measure that? Before we go to break, real quick, because you talked about having so much stuff and having all these different concepts. I distinctly remember saying that we need a race, like like desegregation needs a mascot I did not know you all would put me in a hot-ass wokey the walrus costume For three fucking out I don't even know if I'm like then why did you say it? If you don't want if you don't want us to make brilliant things why did you say it? I didn't think you all would actually put me in the costume. I thought we would just hire somebody locally

to walk around in a Walrus outfit and I go, I'm here with Woke, like McGruff the Crime Dog, or Smoky the Bear, but y'all put me in the damn thing. I felt like most people took well disarmed the moment because you're trying to talk about race. At a ballpark, people are here to be happy. Have a good time. And hey, pardon me, would you like to talk about your views on racism here in the greater Boston metro area?

But I'm in a Walrus outfit so you feel safe. And I feel like that helped get us a lot more interviews. Who's got the best baseball? Boston. the the best. the best. the best. the best. the best. the best. the best. the best. the best. the best. the best. the best. the best. the best. the tha. tha. to be happy. to be happy. to be happy to be happy to be happy to be happy to be happy to be happy to be happy to be happy to be happy to be happy to be happy to be happy. to be happy. to be happy. to be happy. to be happy. to be happy. to be happy. to be happy. to be happy. to be happy. to be happy. to be happy. to be happy. to be to be to be happy. to be the the the the the the the the the the the the the thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the to bea. the the toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. to bea. the the the that helped get us a lot more interviews. Who's got the best baseball? Boston. Who's got the best football? Who's number one in creating a system where structurally black people don't always get the same opportunities? Boston. Yeah, doing it.

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It was exactly that. Like with the e-kg thing that the, what you're, we have emails, we have, the emails I sent to him are pictures of that ghostbuster machine being like we need this but for racism. All right let's take a quick break when we're back we will be joined by Boston NWACP president Tanisha Sullivan this is beyond the scenes it's gonna be a good time Worcester Worcestershire Worcestersh. That's it. That's it. That's it. Yeah. Okay. Ford Motor Company is committed to leading an innovation with its products and services, but an innovative future requires future innovators.

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Built Ford Proud. How racist is Boston? Was the question that we posed to a lot of black folks over in Roxbury, we posed it to some white folks over there by Fenway Park? And we posed it to this woman who is joining us now. She is the president of the Boston NWACP chapter. Tanisha Sullivan, welcome to Beyond the Scenes, first and foremost. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here with y'all today.

We just, just a couple of black folks talking racism, you know, that's all, no big thing, just a regular day of the week for us pretty much. I'm also happy because we've been trying to get you back, but it's a hard thing to be like, okay, this person's gonna come back to the Daily Show, but you were so good when we first interviewed you, I'm excited to you're back. No, I appreciate being back.

And especially to talk about this, and especially you talk about to be back. So before we get to your opinions about the piece that we did three years ago, oh my God, it's been three years. I know. Getting old. I first want to ask you a little bit just about your work. What were some of the things and circumstances in your life that got you to where you are to make that decision to not only, because it's one thing to join in WACP but you was like hey let me run it give me the keys and let's start figuring

this out so just walk me through your relationship with the city of Boston and why this is a cause that matters to you you know beyond 40 hours a week it seems. Well it's 40 40 plus. You know, so I'll start there. You know, what a lot of people don't, no, but seriously because what a lot of people don't know is that at the local level, at the branch level, we are all volunteer operated, right? So we have like another job, right? So it's, this is the second full-time job, which you know, really I think does speak to the need, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, the need, the need, the need, the need, the need, the need, the need, the need, the need, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, theatea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thii I think does speak to the need for some, there has to be something that drives you. I think you're right. There has to be something within you that drives you to someone to want to do this work

because it is hard, it's emotionally draining, it is deeply personal. And for me, it is, it's really the influence of my parents. I was born in Boston. I was raised outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside outside the the th. My th. My the th. th. the th. th. th. the the th. th. th. the th. the th. th. the th it's really the influence of my parents. I was born in Boston. I was raised outside of Boston. My parents are from Boston. My grandparents are from Boston Boston. But my dad, he spent his entire career working in the Boston public schools. He started working in the Boston Public Schools. He started working in the Boston Public Schools

in 1974, September of 1974, when desegregation in Boston was being implemented, forced busing. Many people remember those images that really rocked the nation and certainly rocked our city to the core. And my dad, his job was to ride the buses with the black kids from Roxbury into South Boston and to make sure that they were cared for and protected at a very tumultuous time in our city and he chose

for almost 40 years to stay in the district. He moved from being a bus monitor and I should say my dad he got that job after graduating from almost 40 years to stay in the district. He moved from being a bus monitor. And I should say, my dad, he got that job after graduating from Boston College. And so he moved on from being a bus monitor to when he retired from BPS, he was the school leader at the John D. O'Brien School of Math and Sciences, which is one of the most prestigious schools in the Commonwealth.

And so education was always spoken highly of in our home. And more importantly, it was education plus really a commitment, a responsibility to ensure that we were doing all we could to ensure equal access for everyone to a quality education. That's incredible for me to hear because my dad was, you know, in undergrad in, you know, during the busing crisis, and he, I grew up with him talking about stories of watching folks throw bricks at black school children through the windows of these buses. And the idea that your dad, his legacy is being on the inside of that bus, not just, oh, I was black in Boston and this happening, but I was th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, to th, dad, his legacy, is being on the inside of that bus. Not just, oh, I was black in Boston and saw this happening, but I was the one trying to keep these kids safe. I mean, that's an incredible legacy.

Yeah, it is. It's selfless in the sense of, at a time where it really wasn't safe for any black folks, he was volunteering to protect some of the most vulnerable black folks. Like that's, which rolls me into the second question that we traveled to your city to attempt to answer, which is how racist is Boston, which which I also love CJ is that we didn't, the question was never is Boston racist. We already know that. We already have the-

Okay, but we're talking about degrees here though. How? How racist? So, Tanisha, has Boston earned that reputation in the sense? Like, because you think about the South, why is it such a surprise to people about Northeast racism? Yeah, I mean, because, because, the the, because, because, the, the, we the, we the, we the, we the, we the, we the, we, the, the, we, the, the, we, the, the South, why is it such a surprise to people about Northeast racism? Yeah, I mean, because we project in the Northeast, in New England, we project, you know, a liberal and a progressive banner, right? Like we really pride ourselves on on being progressive and having progressive values and being inclusive. And so when people are confronted

with the contradiction of you know kind of the values that we espouse and quite frankly some of the issues that we've led on. I mean you think about like marriage equality, you know Massachusetts led on that, you know, health care for all, right, Massachusetts led on that, right? But when you kind of look at the contradiction of these progressive and liberal values on some social issues, and then you look at really how, what the data says about, you know, racial equity in Boston. People are just, they scratch their heads and they're like, how could that be because you've gotten so many other things right? How come you're not getting this one right, right, right?

And I'll say, I think a lot of it really does go back to the racial strife that we experienced here in the city. Certainly what the nation saw was, you know, through force-busting here in Boston. That history, that trauma, we've never really dealt with here in the city. Like we've never really, we've never really had like truth and reconciliation on that issue. And you can still feel the trauma and the division in the city. It's palpable. Even post George Floyd. Even post George Floyd, you still, Boston still has this reputation for being a racist place. It does, but you know, I have to say you don't have to defend my city, you know, you know, because, you know, that this reputation for being a racist place.

It does, but you know, I have to say you don't have to defend my city, you know, because I, you know, Boston, I do believe is one of the greatest cities in our country. And, you know, there's so much opportunity here and there's so many good things about Boston. But yet we still struggle with racism like many other cities, but I would, you know, I think, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, I, I, you know, I, you know, I, I, I to, I to, you know, you know, I to, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you to say, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to, I to to to to to to to to to to to to to know, have to know, have to say, to know, have to to know, have to to to say, to would, you know, I think admittedly, we are uniquely positioned as a city with all of the resources that we have here to tackle the issue and yet we have not. You know, I think Roy is kind of is pushing in this territory, but it's, you know, what I find funny about the question in Boston is how allergic folks are even to the question of,

is this a racist place? How racist is it? You know, you talk about New York, you're like, those people in New York are and people are like, thii. But if you thu, th those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those people those people those people those people those people those people those people those people are like those people are like those people are like those people are like, those people are like, those people are like, thoososososk, thoes. thoes. thoing. Those people, you are like, thoing. Those people, thoes. Those people, those people, those people, those people, those people, those people, those people, those people, those people, those people, those people, those people, those people, those people, those people, those people, thoososososososososososososososososososososos. You are like, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho. thoooooooo. thooooooooo. th. thoooooooo. th. th. thoooooooooo. You are like, th. You are like, th suggest that you're wondering how racist Boston is people are like how dare you you know even Kyrie recently is you know all he said was the subtle racism. He just said subtle racism and people are like oh my God. It's like hit him with a water bottle. I mean it's not my first time being an opponent in Boston so you know I'm just looking forward to competing with my teammates and, you know, hopefully we could just keep it strictly basketball.

You know, there's no belligerence or any racism going on, subtle racism and people are, you're, the subtle racism and people are like, the subtle racism. He didn't say these people are bigots. He was just like the subtle racism. And people are like, how dare you suggest that allergy to talking about Boston's history? Do you feel like folks are less allergic now? Finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You might get a lot of resumes, but not enough candidates with the right skills or experience.

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on Apple podcasts starting September 17. Then they were. Because you look at this piece, when we look back at this piece, it feels so 2018, it feels so it is a conversation with folks who, it is so clearly even talking about how detailed the piece has to be about talking about structural racism and educating the audience on what structural racism is. Do you feel like folks have more tools now or do you feel like that allergies? Yeah, like how's the conversation? Now, I know that there's been some improvement,

CJ, I don't know if you knew this or not, but Bobby Brown got his own street in Boston, finally. On talking to speaking of progress, finally. Racism solved. You know, we got the Massachusetts 54th monument.. Other than Bobby, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tha, tha, thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, th. Massachusetts 54th monument and we got that Bobby Brown dedication. So other than Bobby Brown way, in what ways has the conversation evolved? Yeah, no, I think, I think, you know, y'all, listen, everybody loves new edition and everybody loves Bobby Brown.

So, you know, so that is progress. You know, but I love your framing of this, C.J., right? Like, it's an allergy. I think of it similarly. Like, this is, this is, there's something like really deep and systemic about it, right? And in so many ways, like I feel like we have to or we should be, you know, tackling the issue like we would, you know, a disease, right? Like, the disease that said, I will will, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you th, you, you, you, you, you know, I, I, I th, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, I, I, you, you, you, I, I, I, you, you, you, th, th, you, th, you, you, th, th, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, you, th, th, th, th, th, th, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th, I th, I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I think, th. I think, th. I th. I think, I th. I th. I th. I th. I th, right? Like the disease that it is, right? That said, I will, you know, I do want to acknowledge that last year in particular, we did have more people in the city who were like, oh, is that what y'all experience?

Like, is that what you've been talking about? You know, and, and so, right, so there were, you know, I think, you know, not an insignificant representation of the community that did have some light bulbs go off. And for a period of time, we're deeply committed to wanting to talk about racism. But even then, real talk, like they wanted to talk about racism as a related to policing, right? You know, once we said, look, we're going to do policing reform here in the city of Boston, and we're going to do policing reform in Massachusetts, but understand that this is just the beginning of the conversation conversation conversation conversation conversation conversation conversation conversation conversation conversation conversation. to to to to to to to to to the conversation to the conversation to to to th th to th th th thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, th, th, th. thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi thi, thi, the the the the, the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeate, the theeeeeeate, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi the city of Boston, and we're going to do policing reform in Massachusetts, but understand that this is just the beginning of the conversation.

If you're really serious about helping us now to dismantle this racism that you just now come to understand exists, then we need to have a conversation about economic inequality. We need to have a conversation about inequities. We need to have a conversation about inequities and education that are significantly impacting black and brown kids year after year after year. We have to have a conversation about why it is that the COVID-19 pandemic disproportionately impacted black and brown people and low-income people and it's not because we're more susceptible to the virus, it's because of the conditions that we are,

that we've been forced to live in. It's because of the neglect of our health care system as it relates to our, as it relates to our physical and mental well-being, right? And people are like, oh, this isn't just about policing. No, it's not. Because the moment's, the moment, the moment, the moment, the moment, the moment, you go, okay, well, we're going to talk about racism, let's break it down, you know, let's, let's, let's talk about Boston's role in the slave trade

and put that in the textbook. No, no, yeah. Yeah. You talk about putting it in the history book. Like, it's like, it's almost like fixing racism is when you tak get a tire. That's all you want to fix, the police tire. And then they run the diagnostic. Hey, man, we ran the diagnostic man. You got some hormones and equity. You got bail reform.

We got a little bail reform acting up underneath your catalytic converter. We got some, you got some structural racism and unemployment. No. That's right. The tire. Just the tire, please tire, please tire, tire, tie the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. And Iananananananananananananananananananan. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And they. And they. And they. And they're. And they're. And they're. And they're. And they're. And they're. And they're. And they're they're they're they're they're they didn't know. That's right. The tire. Just the tire, please. That's all we want to fix. So after the break, I want to talk a little bit more about some of those tires and diagnostics that have been going on in your city that you all have been starting to check and have

been starting to change because in defense of your city, we're going to talk talk talk talk to to to the to the the to to their their to to their to their to their to their of the good stuff that's going on over there. We're going to talk about some of the good things that's been making moves over there. So it's my pleasure to be joined by the president, the most esteemed Madam President of the Boston NWACP, Tanisha Sullivan. More with her when we go beyond the scenes, one more time, and you to you by Vonage. Making a great customer experience is as simple as three letters. API. With Vonage's voice and video APIs, customers can tap to call from your app or website,

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we had and we've heard a dialogue and and so since that time we're gonna give credit where credit is due with the city of Boston and some of the things that they've done to try and turn the page. Bobby Brown got a street the Celtics hired a blackhead coach this year. So you got a brother back at the helm with the Celtics. CJ, am I, is that everything? I think that's, am I missing any of them? Oh, you guys have, you, y'all have a black mayor now?

Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. No, no. We got a sister. We got a sister. We got a sister. Okay. So with the election of Joe Biden, he actually, he nominated our former mayor Marty Walsh to be secretary of labor. And under our charter here in Boston, the city council president becomes acting mayor if the mayor vacates his or her

office. And our city council president is a black woman. And so she is now our acting mayor. And one of the things that they were saying. Yes, Kim Janie. That's exciting too because in the spotlight piece that we had, you know, as part of this field piece, one of the spotlight things that they were saying is Boston has never had a black mayor unlike all of these other places. So that must feel great.

So racism solved, right? Not yet. Not yet. Um, but you know, but it's good, right. It's great to, to have her in the seat. We actually have a mayoral election this year and the six leading candidates at this time are all people of color. Four of them are women and so it is highly probable that Boston will elect a, well we will elect a person of color and that we may also elect a woman to be mayor. We've never had an elected woman mayor either. So you've had a black mayor sneak in and now you'll get one the legitimate way as well to really cement it.

Listen, you know, but it's reflective of, you know, again on the progress side since we were last together. We have the most diverse city council that we've ever had in the history of the city of Boston. And so some of the issues that the city council has tackled over the past couple of years have really spoken to the ideological evolution of our city, specifically on issues of racial justice and racial equity this year, two of our counselors, Councilor Mejia, Councilor Bach have introduced the conversation on reparations to talk about the role of Boston and the slave trade. We know that, you know, people often talk about the enslavement of black folks primarily in the south, although we know here in Boston, that black folks were enslaved as well, but we also understand that Boston played a significant role in helping to finance slavery in this country, right?

And so really pushing the conversation on issues of racial justice and racial equity here in Boston has been a positive outgrowth of a more diverse city council. How much in reparation? We'll be talking here, is this for Boston, current Boston residents of how long? Like when I went to college, like when I was at Famue, you had to be living in-state for a year to be eligible for in-state tuition? So to be eligible for the Boston Reparation Initiative, as I'm going to call it right now. What's the baseline? Well, we'll see. We'll see. We're going to dive into the conversation. We're going to dive into the history, you know, and understand the impact of slavery in Boston today, and then we'll see what reparations might, what the repair

might look like. But, you know, so often when we talk about reparations, people go right to, well, what's the dollar? What's that number? Before we get to the number, I'm just saying, before we get to the number, we really, like we've got to unpack this thing so that we can understand where the roots are of this very significant problem staying on our society so that we can then see how it's manifesting itself today. You know, and then we can talk about what it will take to repair, because that's

what reparations is. It's helping to repair. It's kind of like when you fight with, you know, someone you're in a relationship with and they're like, okay, what do I have to do? What do I have to do to get you to stop talking about? You're like, no, we still need to talk about what you did in order to talk about what is owed. If you're going to have a meaningful conversation about reparations, you've got to be willing to get to the route. And those are difficult conversations. And when you talk about a place like Boston, you know, it's going to require us to do a lot of self-reflection that can be, might be painful.

But if we want to move forward, beyond celebrating having a black mayor, we have to be willing to lean into those conversations. So off of the black mayor thing, you know, this is what I've noticed, and I call it the empire striking back, for lack of a better phrase, for all the good stuff that happened politically, yeah, on the behalf of candidates that's benefiting black folks, it's been a lot of laws that they on the behalf of candidates benefiting black folks. It's been a lot of laws that they try to start passing and sneaking under the table to make sure that these good times don't keep rolling at midterms. Talk to me a little bit about what's happening in

Boston now on the heels of Kim Janie being I guess appointed mayor. Where now if you're in the city council guess, appointed mayor, where now, if you're gonna city council, you can't even be mayor, don't even think about it. Yeah, so, you know, we do see backlash. And this is, you know, I think, you know, it's like, it's like, know, it's not really racist, but you know, We're civil about it. We're civil about, that's Boston racism. It's just like, we're civil about it.

You have this diversity council doing all of these great things that you claim are helping all of the people. And now you're telling me none of these people can ever aspire to few weeks ago, the city council decided that since the city council president is elected by the members of the city council, and the acting mayor is only acting mayor because she is, you know, the president of the council, they voted, for the first time in our history, right? They voted now all of a sudden to give themselves the right to remove her from her city council presidency which would thereby remove her as acting mayor. You know, I find it, you know, it's so interesting that after, you know, how many hundreds

of years, right, now, now they need to make it clear to everybody that they have the power to take her out of the office. the office, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the office, the office, the office, the office, the office, the office, the office, the the the the the the the, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, you, you, you, to, to, to, you, you, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you, you, you, you, you the, you know, you know, their, you their, you they.e, you their, you they.e, you their, you're, you toe, to, toe, their, their need to make it clear to everybody that they have the power to take her out of the office. And, you know, even if it were a legitimate position to have, you know, those types of actions, you know, as a black woman, right? Those types of actions in a moment like this, absolutely give me pause. And I think they should give all of us pause because that's the stuff that tho's th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, those th, th, those th, th, th, th, th, th, th those th those th those tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th th th th th, th th th, th th th, th th th th th th th th th th th th tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thoes thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooes, tho, th, th, this, absolutely give me pause. And I think they should give all of us pause. Because that's the stuff that those are the micro aggressions. I mean, that's a nice way to put it, right? Not even micro. Right, right.

You know, like, that's the stuff. Like, why would you do that? You know, except to send a message? If it's a law, the law, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that's. that's. the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. a message. If it's a law, it is not a micro aggression. That's a law. I mean, did they even try to hide it? Were they like, oh, this was on the to-do list for 100 years? It's not just in 2020 when we have a black man. No, they did not.

No, they did not. And in fact, what they have been saying over the past few weeks is they're, they're, they're, they, they, they, they, they, they, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, to, to, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they're, they're, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're they're they're, they're, they, they past few weeks is that they are just not pleased with, you know, how she's interacting with them. They feel like she should be having more conversation with them. She should, you know, they should know more about what she's doing and, you know, all of these good things. And now I have to say, you know, these are issues and concerns that they've had with mayors the the their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their toaresresresresres are. toares are are. toares are are are. I sares are. I sa., to beares are. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. It's, to bea. I is. to bea. to bea. to bea. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. is is. is. is. is. is. is. is. is. is. is. is. is. is. is. is. to bea. to bea. toa. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. the. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. the. toe.athis step, I just, you know, that one, I just said, you know what, this is, it's shameful, especially given the demographic makeup of the council at this time. There is so much joy in my heart for being able to talk to you today, because the depths to which we've been able to go and explore this subject, this is why we go beyond

the scene. I joke about the title, but like, this is why we go beyond. Because sitting with you for the actual field piece, which I hope you watch, I hope you like it. I hope that you put out in the edit. Yes, it was great. It was great. It was great.

What have we got to this this this this like, you know, I never seen it. Listen, is it good? Let me tell you something. There are a lot of fans out there for the Daily Show. I mean, I consistently get hit up. People are like, oh my goodness. I saw you on the Daily Show. I'm like, OK. Oh, yeah, because people you know, that is still one of my favorite pieces,

not just because, you know, a white man outside Fenway is going, it's not racist because I don't feel it. Talk to me about what is happening in your head. When you move from talking to folks who are saying racist things to you, and you are being incredibly polite but managing to find the humor of catching them, showing themselves in that moment. Talk to me about what is happening for you when then you shift that lens

and then approach talking to black folks. For me, the thing I learned on the very first field piece I shot with Jordan Clepper, where we spoke with a cop who didn't believe that there was any real police harassment problems in this country. We spoke with an ex-cop. And I remember getting angry, like I was legit angry. Are police racist? No. It's good enough for me. I'm satisfied.

We're good here. I'm a m We're good here. I'm a moth-b-h-brival. Are you serious? YPD was whooping ass? Bo, look, Bo, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He knows about bias. Bo, he's new. The producer, Stu Mills, we stopped and took 10. He pretended that we needed to know it's heavy, whatever, whatever. And what I learned in that moment is that if you get angry, it's not funny anymore.

We're on Comedy Central. I am a comedian. My job is to find the joke. The viewer can handle all of the other emotions that will come with this. They don't need me to be the conduit the conduit the conduit the conduit the conduit the conduit the conduit the conduit the conduit the conduit the conduit the conduit, the conduit, the conduit, the conduit, the conduit, to be to be the conduit, to be to be the conduit, to be to be the conduit, the conduit, to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be. to be. the the the the the the the the the con. the con. the con. the con. the the con. the the the the the the to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. th th th th th th th th th t t t tean. tean. tean. tean. tean tean tean th too th you're not talking as much. You're going to close in or it's going to become a confrontation. Jordan Clepper is by far the master. Like to this day I understand now why they paired me with him to go out and do that piece. Because if you had to sit me there alone, it has just been a fist fight and a lawsuit and I'm fired. But when talking to people who don't understand the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. the the the they. the they. I. I. I'm th. thoe. I'm toe. I'm toe. I'm they. I'm thoes. I'm toeck. I'm to be. I'm to be. I'll their. I'll their. I'll their. I'll their. I'll their. I'll their. I'll their. I'll, they. I'll, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. theck. theck. theck. theckeckeckeckeckeckeckeckeckeck. thingseck. toeckeckeckeck. toeck. toe who don't understand the issue, if you just let them talk, they're going, the funny is in how incredulously oblivious they are. Did I

form a sentence like that? Thank you, Alabama, Public Schools. There's something, though, in talking with black people, that there's's no joke how outrageous the truth is is enough for most of us. I mean when we sat and talk with the brother in the diner I don't even think we used it, he was like, yeah man I'm moving to Atlanta this week, I can't take it here no more. I gotta be around black folks. And this was a black person who was Boston through and thrown, I'm nah, I'm checking out, there's opportunities down. So he said I'm gonna start my business in Atlanta. So that was, you know, to me, CJ, to answer the question,

it's just more about just having honest conversations about something that's so ridiculous, and you talk to black people, and then you go across the Fenway to talk to people who have no clue what you're talking about. And it's just wow. Like it's just one of those moments, you know? But I think that's what I, this isn't even a question, but just a comment of, that's what I love about watching you work. You know, like field producers, we just get to watch the correspondence running full speed. And what I love about watching you work is you fight for these human centers and human moments

to the piece. It's not just like, wow, they said some wild shit. It's like, now let's go over to the Silver Slipper restaurant in Roxbury and actually hear a moment of a man saying, you know, even if it can't make the final piece of like, I am this day figuring out how to move to Atlanta because I cannot take it here and I think you fight for this human center for all of those pieces. Well I try my best and speaking and fighting for humans Madam Sullivan we thank you immensely for all the work that you're doing in Boston.

I wish that we you know we need we need another podcast that goes beyond beyond the scenes we need to go double beyond and break down even everything else that we didn't even get to talk about today. Thank you so much for your work. Where can people support the Boston NDACP chapter? Well, we're online, NACP Boston.com. You can also find us on social media. All right, well, thank you so much. And C.J. you did something big this year. Brother, you made a whole ass documentary about Confederate monuments and people who don't want them to be taken down.

What can people find? Just to be clear, it's not an ass documentary. It is a whole ass documentary about, okay, so if you are coming for an ass documentary, that's another project I'm working on. This is about Confederate monuments. And the question Boston was asking, how, how races Boston? It is asking that of, you know, the white south and of the whole country. You can find it right now on PBS for free. It's called the neutral ground. And my executive producer, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. th. th. t. t. t. t. tha. tha. tha. tha. ta. tha. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. to to to to to to to to to to to tha. tha. tha. It's called The Neutral Ground. And my executive producer, you know, he's okay, he's fine. Yeah, I've heard rumors about that guy. I heard he's kind of a true. It's Roy.

It's Roy. Yeah, it's Roy. Well, look, that's all the time we have for behind the scenes. Hope that you had a good time going beyond the scenes with us. We appreciate you so much for listening on the behalf of everybody at the Daily Show. Thank you and listen to the Daily Show beyond the scenes on Apple podcast, the Iheart radio app or wherever you get your podcast. Worstestershire. Worstcher.

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