The Daily Show: Ears Edition - ICYMI - D.L. Hughley on Racist Police Violence and "How Not to Get Shot"

Episode Date: June 8, 2020

Comedian D.L. Hughley discusses "How Not to Get Shot," his book that examines white Americans' reactions to police shootings of unarmed black people. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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How not to get shot and other advice from white people? Yeah. Where did the book come from? Well I was on Megan Kelly's show. Remember when she was as Fox before she stopped being a racist and moved to NBC? And we had this heated argument, you know, because there's never been, I think America has never seen a young black man or woman killed by the police. And we were so appalled that were driven to action and it was a very frustrating conversation rather than get frustrated I just I wrote a book about it. And you wrote the book from the perspective of somebody who's taking the advice that you've seen doled out by white people

repeatedly after a shooting or after an incident it's it's always advice on what black people are doing wrong. Well, white people have been getting their advice since we first got here. So I figure they're adept at it. But it's like when I hear these things, like these nonsensical arguments, like white supremacists, we want our country back. Like, as I recall, when you had the country to yourself, you invited us to party hiring. Oh, yeah. Get on the boat, they're hiring in America.

It's just, you know, people have these warped notions of what they would do and if you would just cooperate or if you would, but I think that ultimately people just aren't comfortable, uncomfortable with black people or people of color being killed by the police. I think they think that that's how it's supposed to go. No one likes to see a cow mutilated, but they don't mind even the state. Do you think that, I mean, that speaks to in many ways, you know, Black Lives Matter and what the conversation was about is that we've gotten so used to seeing black

bodies that as people, you know, that's, they lost the notion of what the value of a black person is, like, to a certain extent, like, you know, I don't know that we can say America ever had it. Like, that's, oh, it's interesting. That's, that's really, like, even now when the football players are going to strike, everybody goes, don't do that's, like, the other times, they're not gonna pay particularly pay attention to us. And I think nobody has more invested in black people

being treated fairly than football players. Like, right. Because if you're big, you're black, you're fast, you're strong. That works great on Sunday, but on Monday. That's like you're in the reason they acquit. Right. You had an encounter with the police when you were what? Eight years old? That was your first encounter with the police. I was eight years out to grew up on 135th in Avalon.

I'm coming from school getting a free lunch in the summer, and the police pull up and they pull up to me and my friend and they're asking us a question about a cat that live in my neighborhood and they like where is he and like we don't know they like put your hands on the car and I said sir this car is hot and he said niggin if you take your hands off this car I'm gonna blow your head off now eight years old flash to you know a couple of weeks ago when a young kid in Chicago ten years old is handcuffed and to be in the thrown. And I think that was my first experience experience to to to to to to to the experience either. Right, and that shapes a relationship that people have. And you know, it's funny, I always try to have this conversation with people where I go,

the shootings that you see are generally like the last straw. That's like the final step, but there is so much along the way. You see so many people having these interactions with police. When you move through the book and when when the book, when you the book, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when you, when, when, when, when, when you, when, when, when you, when you, when you, when you, when you, when you, when you, when you the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, they, they.. too, they.o, too, too, they.o, they. they. the the the the the theat, the, the, the the the through the book and when you talk about these things, there's one theme I notice you have and that is talking about police interacting with black people who have disabilities, with black people who may have mental disabilities or mental issues. And in the book you talk about, you dedicate the book to your son. Yes, my son has a thiber to him. And he's a very fit kid and you know and my concern, I think like when people say, like people, like, like, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you their, you their, you their, you their, you their, you their, you their, you their, you thi, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, are are are are are are are are are are are, thi, are, are thi, are thi, are to, are to, to, are to, are to, are to, are to, are police, are police, are police, are to, are police, are to talk about about police, are to talk about about police are to talk about's a very fit kid. And you know, and my concern, I think like when people say, like people always say, teach your children to be afraid, to respect the police, I think black people teach our kids to fear the police.

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why did you, why didn't you just do what they said? Why did you define? Why did you talk? And you never want, I don't want to be one of those guys who's showing pictures so I can humanize my son. And so I always tried to sit and sense a sense of fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, thian, thian, thian, a sense, thian, thian, the book, the book, the the the the the they, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, thian, thian, than, a fear, a fear, a fear, a fear, a than, a that, a that, a that, that, that, threaten, that, that, the they's they's they's they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they. We's, why, why, why, but ultimately the book is just, you know, it really is not an indictment of a society is an inspection of it. When you look at the book from cover to cover,

what do you hope people will take away from it? Because some might say, but like, D.L., I already know this morbid world that we're living in. I already know the harsh realities. Like, what am I getting from the book that I may that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that book that I may not be getting from everyone else's conversations right now? Well, first off, a laugh, because it's very funny. I know it doesn't seem like it right now. But second, I think that you'll recognize some things. The only way that we can't guarantee that they are not these, like we can't keep having

these kinds of things happen and everybody kind of go, that's the way things are. Because we can't pretend to be a society. You can't say in a society that we're all about justice and you're innocent to prove guilty, but an officer can summarily slurter someone on the streets and no one being about to account, even if we know that they did it, like Filando Castile,ell you what, the most dangerous place for black people to live is in white people's imagination. Like, it's never the guy they see.

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They believed it because the idea of us is much more impactful and fearful than the reality of us. And you get to do it. You get to. If there's a shooting in Chicago, they'll say, well, you know, 75 people were killed in Chicago and that's an indicator where most black people are in Chicago, but that's an indicator where we get to, wa we don't say that those are all white kids. But you get to paint us with one brush and it becomes our story. And like I remember Stephen Clark got shot in Sacramento and they pointed to Chicago.

I'm like, I need a new schoolhouse rock addition because I don't even know. I didn't even know they were that close. How do you, how do you use comedy? I mean all comedians have different tools and, to, to, th. And, to, th.. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi. And, their, thi. And, their, thi, thi, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I..... And, I. And, I. And, I. And, I'm, I'm, they. And, they. And, they. And, like, they................................. And, like, like, I'm. And, like, different tools and, you know, coping mechanisms, but it's interesting that you say this funny in the book, like, how do you respond to someone who says, but Deal, is there anything funny in this? No, but it's ironic. It's ironic. Just like the things you hear, like, now there's this argument.

First off, this whole week has been hilarious to me. Like Amarosa is dropping more tapes than Little Wayne. But there's an argument as to whether Trump really said the n-word on tape. Like, that's what we need. Because we heard him admit to sexual assault on tape. We heard him, and I always make the point that white people in a poor position to judge what racism is, because they've been so horrible at it before. Like, slavery wasn't racist, Jim Crow wasn't racist. Those monuments to racist weren't racist. So that's like a rapist decide what rape is.

Do you know what I mean? You can't. Right. Which is what the kid from Stanford tried to do actually. Yeah, it was out of course, funny enough. And they get to do it. And just like all the, like now they're saying, like whenever the in-word argument comes of, white people go, well you say it in hip-hop all the time. Like hip-hop, like the in-word has been the American lexicon since the early Hill gang. Like you know, like I don't get how even that's a real argument. Right, right, right. But they don't have that argument when you say it all the time, like as if the first, not only has, am I certain that Donald Trump has said it? I'm certain that if the tape comes out it'll be his re-election campaign slogan. I'm serious. There's nothing that hea. the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their election. their election. their election. their election. their election. their election. their election. their election. their election. their election. their election. their election. their election. I's their election. I's their election. I's their election. I's their election. I's their. I's their. I's. I's. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the could say about somebody of color or that you could, there's nothing so horrible.

Like I can't stand Amarosa. I think she's a horrible human being. But you can't call her a dog. You can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, that all goes out the window when you're an other when you're a person to color you get to say and do whatever you want and in the end people go oh that's all right. Damn yeah. Thank you so much for being on the show. Thank you so much for being on the comedy central and the comedy central app.

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