The Daily Show: Ears Edition - ICYMI - Trevor's April 4, 2020, Interview with Then-Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders

Episode Date: April 13, 2020

Senator Bernie Sanders talks about his emergence as the 2020 Democratic presidential front-runner, fighting for single-payer health care and tackling income inequality. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It literally feels like you are the political Beatles. That's what you are. You're all of them rolled into one. Is it strange to be in a position where in 2016 you were the insurgent candidates, you know, you were leading a political revolution but now you're entering the race as a frontrunner like does that feel different for you are you gonna do things differently this time around does feel differently and and what's happened is that four years ago the ideas that we talked

about the idea that health care is a human right not a privilege right right right right right that health care is a human right, not a privilege. Right. Four years ago, that was perceived as a radical idea. Not anymore. The idea that if you work 40 hours a week in this country, you should make at least 15 bucks an hour and not live in poverty. Not a radical idea anymore. The idea that in a competitive global economy,

our young people need the best education possible, we should make public colleges and universities tuition free and reduce student debt substantially. Again, four years ago, you'll recall, oh, Bernie's crazy. I mean, this is nobody in America supports those ideas. Yes. Well, four years have come and gone. those ideas are now supported by a majority of the American people. So, so, so then you're done, where run?

Ha ha ha ha, ha, what little problem? We have to take on an incredibly powerful establishment that to a large degree controls the economic and political life of this country. And when we talk, the mantra of our campaign is not me, us. And the reason for that is to take on Wall Street, to take on the greed of the pharmaceutical industry and the insurance companies, and if you want to save the planet, you're going to have to take on the fossil fuel industry. And that means millions of people are going to have to stand up and fight back in a way that

we have never done before. And that's what this campaign is about. You know, the media has picked up on them. We raised a lot of money and that's great. What was more important to me, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, Trevor, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, is, is, is, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, and, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi.e, thi.e, thi.e.e.e.e.e. And, thi.e. And, to me, to, to, to, thi. And, thi. And, to, million people who are prepared to volunteer in this campaign which is unprecedented. It's interesting that you are, it's interesting that you bring that up because you have raised a lot of money I believe 18 million dollars in under six weeks you're breaking records raising money from individuals who say hey we want to help you out Bernie but you hate the banks so where do you keep the money under a mattress? Well, still there, alright.

Let's talk about this Democratic field. This is an interesting time where this field is more diverse than ever before. But some people have said, all right, you have a diverse field, but it feels like the frontrunners are still old white men. You still have yourself, you're not Biden. You're not even in the race? No, no, no, of course, of course, not. I mean the white man, the old white man. Yes. But, but how do you respond to that criticism that people sometimes say like, oh, what, isn't this a time for you guys to step aside? Look, I think the American people have to nobody else makes it. And what I believe, what politics is is is is a hard look at the ideas and the history and the experience that candidates happen.

Let me be very clear. I know, you know, certainly all of the senators were running for president and without exception. They are good, smart, dedicated people. Many of them are my friends. So you're not going to hear me disparaging other candidates. But I think it is appropriate for people to say, okay, who has been talking about this issue when, who had the courage to go forward and at what time? Right. So it's important not to look at just personalities. I think in American politics in general, we do too much of that. Yes. What we need to do is to say, okay, we have massive levels of income and wealth inequality. As a nation, are we happy that three people own more wealth in the bottom half of

America? Are we happy that billionaires are able to buy elections? How do we change that? How do we create a nation in which you have universal child care? Well, you don't have half of our people living paycheck to paycheck. So I think what we need to do is focus to do is to do is to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do their to do their their to do to do their their their their their their their their tho tho tho tho that that that that that their, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that, that, that, that, that, that, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho, tho. Wea. thoooo. thooooooo. thoooooooo. the. tho. tho. the. the. to paycheck. So I think what we need to do is focus on a progressive agenda and I'm proud of the fact that I've been a leader in fighting for that agenda for a long time. It's interesting. Basically what you're saying is... You're basically saying people have jumped on but you're the OG. That's essentially what you're saying. And interestingly enough as an OG you've managed to connect with groups that many people haven't been able to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the to the the the the the to be to be a the the the the the their. their. their. And their. And I'm their, and I'm their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the fact, and I I I I the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their. I I I. And I. And I. And I've their. I'm th. the. throea. theauu. theau. teau. tea. tea. thea. thea. thea. thea. And I'm the. And I essentially what you're saying. And interestingly enough, as an OG, you've managed to connect with groups that many people haven't been able to connect with. I mean, you're able to connect with young voters, you know, historically 18 to 29-year-olds don't vote.

You know, but they've come out for you. We've seen this repeatedly. It's also been interesting to see that you are actually leading with to to to to to been polled right now. What do you think is driving those voters? Why do you think you're connecting so well with young people who don't think voting is usually worth it? I think that this generation is, in my view, the most progressive generation, probably in the history of the United States of America. This is a generation of young people who are not going to tolerate racism or sexism or homophobia or zenophobia or religious bigotry all of which sadly the president of the United States is giving us. And I think it is also a generation Trevor and we

should make this point out. They're not doing well financially, right? Everything being equal, this is a generation that unless we turn it around, will have a lower standard of living than their parents. They are leaving. I just met with some young people yesterday in my office. Young people who are going into teaching $180,000 in debt for college loans. That's not uncommon. Young people can't afford apartments. They're living with their parents.

So they understand that we need to have an economy and a government that works for everybody, not just the 1%. And I think our message resonates with them as well. You really have connected with people that you wouldn't expect. I mean, young people, people of color. You, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you've, you've, you've, you've th, you've th, you've th, you've th, you've th, you've thi, you've thi, you've thi, you've thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you th. th. th. th. th. th, you th, you th, you th, you th, you th. th. th. th. You th. th. You th. You th. You th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thin, you're thin, you're thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi connected with people that that you wouldn't expect. I mean young people, people of color, you've connected with so many groups and now what's really interesting to me is it recently came out that you have decided to do a Fox News town hall even though you know the DNC made a decision to not go with Fox News for any of the debates. Yes. You're

you're breaking with that line of thinking. Some would say, but Bernie, why would you go to Fox News? It's not a legitimate news organization. So what are you doing there? Well, trust me, I know Fox News. I know who they are and I know the role that they are playing. On the other hand, the last campaign, I did a town meeting with a fellow named Britt Bear, who did it very fairly. And he did it straightforward. And we believe it,

we went over the ground rules before and they kept their word. So to me it is important to distinguish Fox News from the many millions of people who watch Fox News. And I think it is important to talk to those people and say, you know what, I know that many of you voted for Donald Trump, but he lied to you. He told you, for example, he was going to provide health care all people, now he wants to throw 30 million people off the health care that they had. He told you that he was going to give taxxxxxxxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax reform tax reform tax reform that he was going tax, the that he was going that he was going that he was going that he was going that he was going that he was going that he was going the that he was going the the the the that he was going tax, tax, tax, the the the the the the the tax. the tax. the tax. the tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax reform tax reform tax reform to give tax reform to give tax reform to give tax reform to to taxed, tax reform their tax reform that would would would not tax reform tox reform that would would not tax reform that would not that would wealthy. 83% of the benefits go to the top 1%. So I think it is important to talk to Trump's supporters and explain to him to what he's to him to what he would do.

To what degree he has betrayed the working class of this country and lied during his campaign in terms of what he would do. Finding great candidates to hire can be like a toeto find a needle in a haystack. You might get a lot of resumes, but not enough candidates with the right skills or experience. But not with Zip Recruiter. Zip Recruiter finds amazing candidates for you fast. And right now you can try it for free at Zip Recruiter's smart technology. Zip Recruiter's smart technology starts showing you qualified people for it, and you can use zip recruiters pre-written invite to apply message to personally reach out to your favorite candidates and encourage them to

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Bernie doesn't feel old, but your age is still a number, despite what Alia says. And some people are saying, hey, Bernie, do you have any concerns about your health? Are you doing things to keep yourself healthy if you were to take the office of the presidency? Sure. Look, all I can say is, thank God. This is not wood, but I'm knocking on anyhow. My health is good. Right. I was a kid I was a long distance runner. I had a lot of endurance, and I still do. So I am feeling... Not like that. Hey. thah I I'm sorry about them. I'm so sorry. You know, and I recall some of these reporters who say, well, you're kind of old and they

were following me on the campaign trail. They say, slow down, slow down. Right. You're moving too fast. It really is something that you have used to your credits. And let's talk about some of the policies. You know, Bernie Sanders is someone who has been notorious as the person who can tell it like it is. You know, that's one thing I loved you, or like Howard Schultz when they said, oh, he'll agree to step out of the race if people like Bernie go away, if they put up a moderate Canada, nice of him. But you've always been a person who seems like a complete straight talker. So let's get into some of the issues here. Let's talk about health care. All right.

This past week House Democrats introduced a bill to strengthen Obamacare, all right? It was supported by everyone from Pelosi through to AOC. But you said no, I don't want to support this. You said I want to come in and I want to fight for Medicare for everyone, right. And some, to, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to the the their, the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the. This is the. This is thea. This is thea. This is th. This is their their, their, their, their, their, people might say, okay, but Bernie, if everyone is going one way and you're going your own way, doesn't that go against what the job of the president's gonna be? Don't you have to sell ideas? Sure, but here is the reality. The reality is that bill will never pass the Senate. I don't even think it'll be taken up by the Senate. So where we are right now is a is is is is is is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is right now is two things. Number one, as a nation, should we guarantee health care

to all people as a human right? I think yes. If you do that, how do you do it in a cost-effective way? And I think the answer is overwhelming that the only way to do that is through a Medicare for All single-payer program. Now I supported Obamacare, and in fact we got some really important provisions in it. But the discussion that you're raising is a little bit academic because that bill is not going to come to the Senate. What we have to do now is rally the American people and ask questions why, at a time when we have 30 million uninsured, we are spending twice as much per capita on health care as do the people of any other country. Why do we pay thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi, thi. thi. thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tooooooooooooooi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th people of any other country. Why do we pay by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs?

So would you try and bring the cost of medical aid down? Absolutely. We got legislation. Prescription drugs. Absolutely. Look, we have legislation in that will lower the cost of prescription drugs in this country by 50 percent. Is that a radical idea. It's not a radical idea because that's what the rest of the world is paying. We are getting ripped off by the greed of the pharmaceutical industry. In terms of health insurance, it now costs about 11,000

dollars per person for health care in this country. Family for 28,000 bucks. That is unsustainable. Right. Twice as much as the Canadians do, they guarantee health care to all people. Why is that? Because the function of the current health care system, you're not going to hear too many people say this, is not to provide health care to all people. It is to make huge profits for the insurance companies and the drug companies. It is to provide people like the guy who's head of United health insurance, $83 million in compensation in one year.

It is to allow the five major drug companies to make $50 billion in profit last year. Somebody has got to take these guys on. They're criminals. People are hurting. We need to move toward Medicare for all. One thing you really do bring up, and I mean health care just touched on it, is income inequality. Yes. You have been proud to say, yes, I believe that we need to adjust how people earn money

in this country and how people are taxed. Trump is now used this as a slur against you, calling you a socialist, you know, saying that it means that we're going to all have to drive battery cars and share one road. But what does it mean to you? Good question. Thank you for asking it. It means that economic rights are human rights. I believe from the bottom of my heart that health care is a human right.

I believe that in the richest country in the history of the world, we should not have a tax system which allows Amazon, owned by the wealthiest guy in the world, to pay zero in federal taxes last year after making $11 billion in profits. That is insane. To be a democratic socialist means that we believe, I believe, that human rights include a decent job, affordable housing, health care, education, and by the way, a clean environment. It means that we cannot allow our kids to grow up in an environment which is increasingly unhealthy and uninhabitable. We have got to take on the fossil fuel industry, move to energy efficiency and sustainable energy. That's what it means.

I know that you are proposing legislation, arguing that companies shouldn't be able to participate in stock buybacks if they don't provide their work as a minimum wage of a certain amount in health care and seven days off. in an energy to an energy to the energy industry. In an e. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to move to move to move to move to move to move to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the fossil fuel the fossil fuel the fossil fuel the fossil fuel the energy energy energy energy energy energy energy energy the energy energy energy energy energy the energy energy the energy the energy. the energy. the energy. the energy the energybacks if they don't provide their workers with a minimum wage of a certain amount and health care and seven days off in a year. Right. But let me ask you this, doesn't, some people may argue that, like Bernie, that's the government getting involved at the boardroom level. Shouldn't you just go have right now, Trevor, is an economic system where the people on top

and corporate America, to a large degree, not totally, are just incredibly greedy and very contemptuous of working people. For example, the average CEO of a major corporation now makes 300 times more than his or her employees. That's really not acceptable. People are doing buybacks, stock buybacks, while at the same time they're not paying their workers a living wage. So I think it is the responsibility of the federal government to be aggressive and to make certain

that the working people of this country get a fair shake. Give you another example. If a company today is making money but they want to shut down and move to low-wage countries abroad, well, you know, I got a problem with that if they then get online to get a federal contract. They want a military contract. So we have a right to say to them, you want some federal, to, to, their, their, their, th me, th me, th me, th me, thiiiolk, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, to, to, to, to, their, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho, toge.e.e.e.e.a, too, toge.a, toge, toge, toge, thau.a, thau.a, thau.a, tomo.a. Right. So we have a right to say to them, you want a military contract, you want some federal money, you know what, treat your workers with respect.

What's happened in the last 40 years, there's been a massive transfer of wealth from working families to the top 1 percent. We've got to reverse that true. Speaking of a fair shake, before we're done. It's been interesting that now that now that now that now that now that now that now that now that now that now that now that now now th no now now now now now now now now now now now the Democrats have used their power to say to the IRS, we want to see Donald Trump's tax returns. People on the right have responded and said, but where's Bernie's tax returns? Bernie only released 2014. We still don't have Bernie's tax returns. And I was like, well, if Bernie hasn't released them and Trump hasn't released them is probably secrets on both sides. My theory is Trump doesn't want us to know that he's not a billionaire and you don't want

us to know that you are. So are we going to see your tax returns? You will sure are. Look, April 15th is coming. That will be the 10th year and we will make them all public very. What's all? What's all? Ten years. Ten years of passion times. And by the way, I'm delighted to do that.

Hey, Mr. Trump, you do the same thing. Senator Bernie Sanders, everybody. The Daily Show with Trevor Noah, Ears Edition. Watch the Daily Show weeknights at 11, 10 Central on Comedy Central and the comedy central app. Watch full episodes and videos at the Daily Show.com. Follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram and subscribe to the Daily Show on YouTube for exclusive content and more. This has been a Comedy Central podcast.

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