The Daily Show: Ears Edition - January 6th: Did It Even Happen?! (Spoiler: Yes) feat. Chris Hayes & Jordan Klepper

Episode Date: January 7, 2023

One year after the January 6 insurrection at the Capitol, Roy Wood Jr. sits down with Daily Show contributor Jordan Klepper and MSNBC host Chris Hayes to discuss the aftermath of the riot, how conservative media and the GOP rewrote the narrative, and whether American democracy will survive. Beyond the Scenes is a podcast from The Daily Show. Check out more episodes wherever you get your podcasts or YouTube.com/TheDailyShowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to Comedy Central. Hey, it's Roywood Jr. Up next is a special episode of Beyond the Scenes. The podcast where we go a little deeper into topics and segments that originally aired on the Daily Show. Today, we're revisiting January 6th with MSNBC's Chris Hayes and Daly Show contributor, Jordan Clepper, who was actually on the ground at the Capitol on that day. Together we go through the media's coverage and response to January 6th and what could be next for our democracy. Have a listen. Hey, welcome to Beyond the Scenes. This is the podcast that goes above and beyond the topics that you see every night on

the Daily Show with Trevor Noah on Comedy Central. Now, this week marks the one-year anniversary. I don't even like the word anniversary because I don't want to keep remembering this thing. But the January 6th uprising that went down at the Capitol, the insurrection, a bunch of Trump supporters went there and lost their damn minds and violently tried to stop the certification of electoral votes by storming the Capitol, even to say it aloud, it's surreal. So we have two people with us on the program today to help us break this down. The first gentleman is, he's an Emmy-nominated

Daily Show contributor and he was there at the Capitol and he's always there all the time, mixing it up with the Trump supporters. And if it's anyone that is not a fan of his activities, it is his wife and child. He is Jordan Cleppert. Yes. I was there with my Emmy nomination where I should be. Thank you, Roy. Well, Jordan, our next guess is an Emmy winner. Okay, all right. All right. That's why you put it in there.

That's why you put it in there. I was about to hop in when you said Emmy nominated and be like, that. thi's. So, the host. th. th. th. th. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. to. tho. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. Well, to. Well, to. Well, to. Well, to. Well, to. Well, to. Well, to. Well, Jordan. Well, Jordan. Well, Jordan. Well, Jordan. Well, Jordan. Well, Jordan. Well, Jordan. Well, Jordan. Well, Jordan. Well, Jordan. Well, Jordan. Well, to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, Jordan, Jordan, th. th. to.. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. He's the host of MSNBC's all in with Chris Hayes and the podcast is why is this happening? Emmy winner, Chris Hayes. How you doing? Good. I just am conjuring a very funny notion in my head of like Jordan in the midst of the insurrection and people like starting to get a little like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, that, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th midst of the insurrection and people like starting to get a little like chesty with him being like, I'm Emmy nominated. I just, I want you to know, maybe you should back off a little bit because I've got an Emmy

nomination. Chris, I'd like to start with you because you get to exist in a place that you don't have the burden of having to find a punchline in between vomits of information to your viewers. The revisionist... I just vomit straight. I think it's just straight vomit. Unleavened by punchlines. Yeah, that's what we're going for.

Yeah. The revisionist history that has happened around why the insurrection is, whether or not we can vilify the insurrectionist. Like, we're still at a point right now where they're still identifying people from the footage. Some have gone to jail, some have been convicted, but they're still stitching some of this stuff together. I want to play a clip real quick of just Republicans flip-flopping their positions. Let's just start with our elected officials and their opinions of the uprising. The president bears responsibility for Wednesday's attack on Congress by mob rioter. We have, we're so successful under President Trump.

The last thing we want to do is be fighting among ourselves. Stop and I have, we've had a hell of a journey. All I can say is, count me out, enough is enough. It's impossible for this party to move forward without President Trump being its leader. So you think it was an impeachable offense? Oh sure. How do you agree Trump as president? Oh, listen, overall I give the president an A.

When you lost Lindsay Graham, when you lose all these people, when Tom Cotton says it's time for you to concede, uh, I think that you've gone over the top. He couldn't even use his own Twitter account because he's been justifiably suspended for the last 24 hours. There was nothing about that speech that was inside phone. The president also used the term peacefully go down there. He didn't just say go down there and take the capital over. Chris, Yeah.

You hear all of that flipping. get every day on a regular basis as you prep for your Emmy winning program. Chris, are we crazy just just are we crazy for just trying to make sure people understand just how heinous this was? Are we, I mean, that, no, it's been a huge focus of the show for the past year precisely because of the revisionist history. I mean, I think there's, to me, there's a few layers to it, right? One is it like, particularly in the context of the American criminal justice system, the way in which policing operates, particularly on people of color, what we've seen with George Floyd, like the idea that people are going to turn around and excuse like mob violence after all this whipping up of this frenzy about it, you know, in the same moment, in the same program, they'll be like, hey, check out this smash and grab operation

that happened that took a bunch of purses. Oh, and also, like, it wasn't that big a deal when they like, you know, dragged a cop down the stairs and threatened his life. But so there's that there's no actual standard for behavior that like if you're on our side it's fine and if you're on the other side it's not, which I think is like an incredibly Trumpian notion. And I think it's a conservative notion before that and I think you know liberals can fall prey to it too, but it's on such display potently here. So there's the sort of excuses and minimization. Then there's the just like crazy disinformation of like it was the feds or was Antifa like trying to come up with these increasingly ludicrous and far-fetched notions to essentially be exculpatory for what people actually did.

And then the third aspect of it I think that's really important is people want to say oh well that you know there's some people will say well what they did you know obviously v. T, the one hundred and 50. the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho. tho. tho. tho. thi. thi. thi. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. So, the. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So they did, the Capitol is wrong, but like the 150, whatever, 50 members of Congress or Republicans, the eight or nine members of the Senate that voted against ceding the electoral votes, like, the entire project was insidious. The entire project was authoritarian, the entire project, whether they were like at the ellipse and they were doing it peacefully, it was just Josh Hawley like... Before they storm a building. Yeah, exactly. Like, that is the culmination and that itself is in a sort of special place. But the whole project was to overturn a Democrat election and install an authoritarian leader over the will of the people by whatever means.

Whether that means was Mike Pence ruling in a certain way, whether the means was using loopholes in the Electoral Count Act to get state delegations together to deliver the vote, like whatever it was, the whole project was rotten to the core. And you can't just say, well, yes, what they did if the Capitol was wrong. The whole project was wrong. But my thing though, in a weird way, Clepper, like, I understand politicians flip-flopping because they have a check behind the things that they say. They have a real motivation. The voters on the other hand, who decide to go and be a part of this in spite of all of the,

because people love to say, they love to say, well, I'm doing more research. Well, if you've done a little bit more research, your stupid ass wouldn't be out here on January 6th. Well, the voters don't have a check and they're probably not going to get one, but they do have an identity. And I think that's the thing they see people clinging to. The thing that surprised me most of when I went the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus th. th. th th, th, th, th, th th th th th. thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus wouldn't thus thus wouldn't thus thus the the the the the thus. the the the the the the thus. the thus. the thus. thus. the 6th. Like there was no coherent narrative as to what had happened on January 6th. And some people, yes, what happened was wrong and it was wrong because Antifa were instigators. It was wrong because FBI, CIA, NASA, and any organization you want to throw out there.

Some people said it wasn't wrong. Like that Ashley Babbitt was a hero, and there should have been more Ashley's out there. Some people declare it was, nothing happened on the sixth. And to me again, that all has to do with, more often than now when I would go out in the field and talk to folks, you don't need a coherent philosophy behind what happened, or even a coherent narrative. You just need a foothold to get you to the next, the next thing.

And at that point it was like, oh, you know, so much misinformation and BS has been spewed since that, that like, yeah, you can read something about the FBI, Antifa, you can believe it didn't happen, or you can believe it did happen and it doesn't all have to fit. It just just to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the th. th. th. that that thathea. thathea. thathea. the their their their their their their their their their their their their.. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I their. their. their. their. their. their. the the their. their. their. their. the their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thathea. thea. thea. thea. thea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea. th. th. to get you on to the next thing. And I, for one though, was surprised how quickly that information and that those disjuncted narratives came about. Thanks to online bullshit, they have a very interesting take on who was behind the January 6th insurrection. Oh, Antifa, like the corrupt FBI, basically rhinos, corrupt politicians, the deep state, all of that. I don't believe it was people like me and people like you see over there in that crowd that did it.

Who was behind? FBI, CIA and Tifa were used. Other groups like that. It seemed like a lot of them were going into the Capitol to attack Nancy Pelosi and perhaps hang... Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Which one? The one with the bullhhhorsors? Other? Other? Other? Other? Other? the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho? tho? tho? tho? tho? tho? tho? tho? tho? tho? tho? tho? th. th. th. th. th? th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho-p? tho? thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo? th. th. th. going into the Capitol to attack Nancy Pelosi and perhaps hang. Who? Who? Who? Who's the one? Who's the one? I don't care what his resumes is.

He's not a Trump supporter. In fact, do you remember the picture of the plane? In fact, do you remember the picture of the plane? In fact, their pictures of the real plane, there's pieces that are missing from the real plane to that plane. So you're saying there's a conspiracy around the Afghanistan withdrawal? No, I'm saying that there was one guy there who ran. It's the only guy who turned to the camera and waved his hands. Do y'all remember that?

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but a little more grounded. A little more complex and a little more like grounded and familiar things. Like, it's funny what you're just saying, Jordan there, because I've had this experience too. It's the mode of operating that you operate in if you're in the heat of like a bad fight with a person that you love or like a or an argument with someone like whether it's a you know a sibling or a friend or a spouse where like you're just churning through justification like you're just try like you're not you're just like I'm. Just like I won't concede I'm not going to give in to you in this moment.

It's like it's all it's all the. I mean, I'm saying this is one in like you're in a bad, bad mode, sort of conflict. It's all, it's all the toilet seat has been left up. Like, okay, but is that, is that all you have right now? You're like, in this moment, it's all I have. So, I'm just thinne. I just thin, I on the spot. And whatever it takes to diffuse that, Ashley Babb is here, like whatever I have to say to sort of, when you're talking about like getting to that next pothold,

it's like, it's exactly, it's like, I don't want to concede because then I'm giving away some power to you and I feel already oppressed by you. That I think is the kind of operational mode of a lot of people in the kind of like Maga Corps where it really isn't coherent. Like I mean, one of my favorite stories is like, and I'm sure maybe you guys have seen this, but it was like a few days after the insurrection where there was like a guy who was in it, who had to go on his Facebook page to be like, I see all these people blaming Antifa. I'm telling you I was the the the the the the the the th. I was th. I was th. I was th. It was th. It was th. It was a th. It was a th. It was likedue. It was like a th. It was like a th. It was like a thi. It was like a thi. It was like a thi. It was like a thi. It was like a thi. It was like a thi. It was like, it was like, it was like, it was like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like a the the the the the the the the the th. It was like, like, like a th. It was like a th. It was like, like, like, like, like a the the the the the the the the th. It was like, the the the thi. It was like, the they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. thi. they. they. the the I see all these people blaming Antifa. I'm telling you I was there.

It wasn't Antifa. We did it. The Patriots, like he's pissed off that Antifa's getting the credit for what he did. And has to go into these like crazy disinformation networks that he is embedded in to be like, y'all, hey, I was there. We did it. Stop giving them credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit credit the credit credit the credit the credit the credit the credit the credit to the credit to to th, I to th to th to th th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm thi, I'm thi, I was thi, I was thi, I was thi, I was thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was th. I th. I th. I th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I th. I'm th. I was th. I'm th. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm tea. tea. tea. I'm tea. I'm tea. I'm tea. I'm tea. I'm thea. I was th hey, I was there. We did it. Stop giving them credit for what these Patriots did. And it was just a perfect to me encapsulation of like, they're really, your point, to get back to your point, Jordan, there is no actual coherent story about January 6th on the right.

There's a bunch of different stories that are thrown out to move on to the next topic, distract or mass exculpate the folks involved, so that you can get back to the real thing, which is that the Libs are oppressing you in whatever way. And that's what I want to get to after the break, because I'm just, I'm curious about the MSNBC, Chris Hayes, news curation process, because we're always stuck at the daily show with, do we follow the crazy thi thi the crazy thi the crazy thi the crazy thi thi thi the crazy thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the crazy thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi do we follow the crazy thing that just happened that's being reconstituted or something different? Or do we follow the new crazy thing that is happening or is about to happen? And I'm very curious how you decide which ones to bring to light on your show. This is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back. And in doing that, is that, how you achieve an Emmy? I guess is the other question. Well, that's, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, th. th. the, the, th. th. th. the, the, th. th. the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. the new, the new, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the new th. th. the new the new th. the new the new the new th. the new the new th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the th. the th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. Well, that's, yeah, I mean, that's, well, that's, you have to sign up for the masterclass for that. That's like, I knew, everybody's doing masterclass now.

How are we doing this, Jordan Clepper, Chris Hays? Are we saying, happy Jan 6? Do we say never forget? Do we say never forget? Do we say always forget? Yeah, I think it's just important to keep saying the date because I think five years from now there's a legitimate chance we go from January 5th to January 7th on the Gregorian calendar. And so whatever you do, just make sure you repeat the date so people understand that it is a moment in time.

Can we just agree? A moment. that day never existed. . moment in time. That day never existed. It just didn't happen. We, can you believe it? We remember the Alamo. Do you know what happened at the Alamo? It was a terrible loss. It was a terrible, loss. It was poorly planned. Davy Crockett went down. The guy who created the Bowie Knife went down. Like, that's a terrible story. We should forget that. January 6th, we could take a lot of lessons from that and we are, we are, we are trashing it as quick as we can. I'll be honest as a black person, I am closely monitoring January 6th to make sure that it doesn't bleed over into Martin Luther King weekend. Yeah, it's a little close. It could turn it to a week long celebration. Once it's a woam, then it's a whole month, then it's a whole m m m m m. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th i's a th. th. thi thi's a thi. thi' thi' the. thi' thi' thi' thi' thi' thi' thi' th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi's a thi's a thi's a thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm the middle of resurrection this month or whatever the hell they're going to call it.

Yeah, Patriot Month. So, Chris, on your program on MSNBC, we just spoke about the misinformation and what motivates it. How and what do you decide to report on your show? Number one, just on some just straight up mental health shit, how do you stay calm? Just in the morning when you're just reading the headlines, how do you remain calm and measured as you deliver news that people are going to Dallas to see the dead body come out of the ground? I mean, is it impossible to go and stay calm Chris because we know you're going to go all in? Like you have to. That's just that's the brand you got to go all the the the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead to to to the dead body. the dead body to to to see. the dead body to see the dead body the dead body the dead body the dead body the dead body the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead the dead body. the dead body. the dead body. the dead body. the dead body. the dead body. the dead body. to to to to the dead body. to the dead body. to to the dead body. the dead body. the dead body. the dead body. the dead body. the dead body. calm, Chris, because we know you're going to go all in. Like, you have to. That's just, that's the brand.

You've got to go all in. And so in the morning, are you like, should I just go half of the way in and stay calm? Or no, this is what the people want. Like, Melbury can go halfway in. I mean, I think that I, what I try to do is, I definitely think that I've spent a lot more time telling myself the serenity prayer about like things I can control and things I can't, the wisdom and know the difference, which is a big part of it. I think that there are times where, because I do have a platform that are very privileged to have, like, that I have more causal like there were definitely times during COVID where I felt like it was my job to like save the country from the

mass death of COVID and that's that's fair yeah I mean but and but I fail I mean I didn't work I mean I you know we we I think and right now I think I feel that way about like American democracy the way that I felt I think last year around COVID even though of course we're still in the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi. thi. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the thi thi thi. the. think I feel that way about like American democracy, the way that I felt, I think last year around COVID, even though of course we're still in the pandemic. But American democracy seems to me like, I feel in a similar way of just ringing this alarm bell. Well, that's the thing that I have. I have the bullhorn, I have the alarm. I have the alarm. of American democracy in peril, in a peril that it never has really faced in this particular

way. It's faced peril in many different ways and wasn't really actually a democracy for the, you know, the vast majority of the country's existence. So it's not like there's some like beautiful Halcyon days to look back on, but what happened, I mean, this is the thing that we focus on January 6th specifically, but but more broadly like the fate of American democracy is that It's hard I think in the same way that I think the first days in the first weeks and months of the pandemic were hard. It is hard to get your heads or head around the scope and enormity of what you're dealing with But like if they had pulled it off it really would have been the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thui, thoea. the the thoea. thoea. thoom, tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the case that the fundamental precept that undergirds this whole thing, which is that the people choose their leaders,

not the other way around, and that a majority of people is what stands in for the whole when you're dealing with Democratic elections. To cast that out, you know, really would have been an enormous epoch break with what we've had before and that's still, that threat still looms over us. Can I ask a question, Chris? Like, you talk about the, the insurrection was something that had been happening the week beforehand and was happening behind closed doors. Are you at all afraid that in the discussion of this and how perhaps the media frames

it and also just the mindset of those who digest it, we're going to go down this rabbit hole and it's all going to be about whether or not Donald Trump gave the go ahead to you go straight ahead. Yeah, that's a great point. It's something I'm really trying hard to avoid because I think we saw that in that in happened with the Russia story, which was like, oh we got them, we're gonna get them. And also like, meanwhile. Right, but it's also like take a step back. It's like they, the Russians wanted Donald Trump to be president and sought to aid his

campaign. The campaign privately and publicly welcomed their help. And then they committed a variety of very serious crimes to sabotage his opponent. Those three things we knew from the jump. Like so and then you know and understandably got into the more then it was like well they didn't find this smoking gun where he you know called up Vladimir Putin and said hack Hillary whatever. It's like well he said it on he said on camera. I mean he said we're going to go down to the Capitol now. We literally instructed the crowd. We're going to walk down to the Capitol and we're going to cheer on

our brave senators and congressmen and women and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you'll never take back our country with weakness you have to show strength and you have to be strong. It was like he grabbed them and he bold them you know down Pennsylvania Avenue so I agree that it's important to keep what is publicly known is unbelievably damning, would disqualify him from ever holding any position of public trust ever, and I think there's a plausible criminal case to be made against him under federal law. He certainly should have been impeached. He certainly should

have been disqualified from ever holding public office. No, if we learn nothing new, starting now. And I think your point is well taken and something that we really try on the show to avoid, which is we're constantly resetting what are the publicly known facts and what they say about the danger of this individual and the movement that he leads and the threat it poses to American democracy, whether or not we find the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tothat he leads and the threat it poses to American democracy, whether or not we find out even more damning details, which I suspect we will. Chris, on your show, Trump loyalists and insurrectionists, you generally, for the most part, don't swim in those waters or talking to those types of people. Is that in the effort to keep the misinformation to a minimum and not allow people to use to use to use to use to use to keep the misinformation to a minimum and not allow people to use your show as a vessel for misinformation? Like what won't me through the strategy in that?

Yeah, I mean we actually had two of them on the other night and it was sort of interesting. We had these two folks that were the people that plan the ellipse rally and are now cooperating January 6 committee. Mostly because like they feel thrown under the bus by Trump, not I think for any noble reason above that. But look, the problem is, and I learned this, I come back to this example all the time and I think my staff is probably tired of hearing about it, but it's very formative for me like, if you were in the left in the left in 202 or 2003, and you were in spaces, you were going to the the lefti magazines, you were th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, thr-a, thrown, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, spaces you were going to anti-war protests or you go into events you were writing for lefty magazines you were encountering 9-11 truthers a lot a lot yeah they were everywhere they would get up and ask the first question at every event and they and one of the things I quickly learned was like you couldn't get into a debate or win a debate with them because like there was no like they were like what

about this angle of this shadow of this if you look at this landpost by the Pentagon it couldn't have been clipped by this wing and this engine but and all of a sudden you're just in this working point of steel that was made in that year in the construction and you can't the same thing with like I think people that adhere to the big lie, you know, it's like, you can't really engage on those terms and get anything useful. The other thing for me, and this is different than for Jordan, is like, we have a live show and we have these time limits. And so, controlling and randling, well, no, it makes a big difference. If I could go and talk to people and then take all that footage and the footage, going to do with it, but I'm there on live TV and not only that there's a responsibility

of that which is that everything they're saying is going out to 1.5 million people and I'm in some ways responsible for that, right? So it's just a, it's a real heavy burden you carry when you put someone on the air about what is going to be communicated to your audience. So, then Jordan, how do you balance that? Because you do basically the opposite. The opposite. Yeah, you do the opposite.

Yeah, let's talk. Let's talk. I've got on my nice warm jacket. Let's stand out here, outside forever and ever and talk to these people. Like, what are you thinking when you go out, what is your objective? Because it clearly can't be to change their minds. Well, I mean, I think Chris brings up a great point is the difference between live TV and something you bring back and you edit.

Because it is true. There is stuff that is in the head. That is hateful or misinformation that we feel context in our responses, and that is something we feel a responsibility towards if we put that out. So there's control in an edit, and we take that all into account. I think, you know, we go to these events because, one, we want to know what are people actually talking about on the ground, what is getting through, specifically for Trump rallies, what is getting through from onstage, to the actual people, and to, to, to, to, to, to, to, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, the, and, the, the, the, and, the, the, and, the, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, the, and, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they.i.i.i. takes, takes, takes, takes, they.a.a.a. they. ta. We. th. ta. th. they. are we missing when we watch the news? Because, you know, these news hosts, they think they're so smart, they think they got their big Emmy award-winning shows, but until they get out there, they don't know what it's really like.

That's right. But I mean, our objective is and we start to respond to that. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Do they recognize you? Do they know who you are? It varies. I think it's growing but there's there's still I will say there's still a giant bubble. So more often than not I go to a rally and most people don't. They're immediately skeptical because there's a camera and so you're bad guy because you're they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they know they're they're they know they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. to thi to to to they're they're they a camera but you also right so they know they're making you as a member of the media and that is enough in some ways to put them in a sort of somewhat skeptical place but not specifically like this is his stick he does this he you know he's gonna try to trap it exactly they already have their opinion about the media it's either something that stay away these are the bad guys or these are the bad guys I'm going to win with them and whether or not I'm on Trevor show or not usually doesn't come

into effect although then there is a person who's like I've seen this guy's videos right and we were at a we're at an event a school board meeting and a guy charged me because I was like that's that guy we have to have security come in and stop this guy and there's an altercation there. So like, oh, that's not fun. I think, also, they don't like to be made fun of what I, not January 6, but two weeks beforehand, the million maga march, which was a beautiful march, their number. But what people don't often understand there is there's probably 30,000 people there, but these are also poorly run events go figure, which means there's two stages, they're essentially a mile apart with 30,000 people in between and the sound systems

they paid for, you can only, you can only about 200 people can hear what's actually going on. So you have essentially 29, people who are. thousand people who are milling 10 become 50 and it becomes dangerous there. So even if you're not immediately recognized, we have to be savvy because there is a mob mentality when you have a camera up. Yeah, there's always something I find like unnatural and can sometimes be kind of foreboding about the role a camera plays in a crowd and what it does to help to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to the to the the to help to to to to to to to to the to the the the the th be thi and it be the the the the the the thi and it be the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the te become become become become become become become become become become become te be be teoding about the role a camera plays in a crowd and what and what it does to help you will behave around it independent of people's politics or you know ideological commitments just generally I've had that experience.

Well and also it's they're dressing for it now. We make a lot of jokes about the apparel at a Maga Ralei and what has become so fascinating is people are going there to dress for being on camera for being recognized by Donald Trump or other folks it's you know so like they suddenly walk down an aisle which is essentially a dressing room and costume department they pick out the most extreme points of view that are you could fit onto a t-shirt they put them on and what we start noticing too and that you could fit onto a t-shirt. They put them on, and what we started noticing, too, and then they're starting, then they have to answer questions about the view that they just put on their chest, which some of them have that view.

Some of them have just adopted that view. And now this camera is starting to craft a narrative around that person whothey just wanted that attention, but they're already now creating this narrative, which is only grown in the last two years. Chris, there is definitely a lot of disagreeing on whether or not facts or factual. Therefore, journalism, when you report the facts, which is your job as a journalist, could be seen as an opinion. What say you to people who believe that people of your ilk, and I'm talking just primetime news in general, are based in opinionated journalism and not factual journalism,

is there a way to unblur the lines where at least, even if we don't agree on the solution, can we at least agree on what the facts are? Or it's just, if you're an opinionated journalist, if that's what I am to you, that's just what it's got the the the to be the the the the the the solution. the solution. the solution. the solution. the solution. the solution. the facts are. Or it's just if you're an opinionated journalist and if that's what I am to you, that's just what it's got to be. Yeah, I mean, that's such a deep question. It's hard to talk through it because I've spent probably 20 years thinking about various versions of this all the way back to being a philosophy

and undergrad and think about what I do is that I have a point of view and a perspective and a set of values that I have that I'm pretty transparent about. I really believe in democracy, I believe in equality, solidarity, rights and protections, the flourishing of people's lives, and I approach the news with those views. I'm on the left for sure. People know that. And that perspective colors what I talk about and what I, you know, what I don't talk about and what I choose to spotlight. We're really rigorous, so we put things that are true on our show.

But the thing is that like, truth is only, I mean, there's a bunch of different categories, right? So like, so like, so like, th so like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr-a, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, thi, th..... And, th. And, I th. And, I th. And, I thi. And, I th. And, I thi, I's, I's, I'm, thi. thi. thr. thi. that's, I's, that's, that's, that, that's, that, that, that's, that, that, that, there's a bunch of different categories, right? So like, you can communicate untruthful stuff or false and malicious stuff without ever telling a single factual lie, you know, then there's people who just lie, right? So like, oh, the, the, an Italian satellite hacked the boating machines to change both. It's just like a lot. It's just like not a true statement and it's a preposterously not that. But then, you know, there's a period where Tucker Carlson was going around doing this thing where he was taking this open source vaccine reporting system where people could, anyone could report an adverse event after a vaccine and saying, look, 12 hundred people died after they got their vaccine. Now, that's, it was true. I mean, like, you know, when you give 200 million people shots, like some set of people are going to, you know, get hit by a bus, fall ill,

they're, they have cancer in the chemo, like, whatever it is. So you're not saying a lie, right? Like, it isually accurate that a certain number of people died after they got their vaccine shot. When you go on air and you say it in that terms, you are implying a causal link there that says these vaccines are scary, they're killing, killing people and not telling you about it. And so like that line between what's fact, what's opinion, what's perspective, it is actually pretty complicated, you know, because because like you can their their their their their their their their their their their their, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here's th is, here's th is, here's th, here's thi, here's thi, here's th. th. th. thi, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here's thi, here's thi, here's thi, here's thi, here's opinion, what's perspective. It is actually pretty complicated, you know, because you can say a lot of true things. It's like, here's my favorite example,

like racist websites, okay? Like, really, like, if you go to like the world of like stormfront, and by the way, which is like very adjacent to like a lot of Donald Trump's stuff, and there are periods during different campaigns when Donald Trump would like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like tweet these out. Like you could run a website that only identifies examples of black men assaulting white people in a country of 350 million and just make that all you show and it could be the case that like it is factually true that in each of those instances or each of the videos what you are doing is running a white

supremacist website right and you're running a white supremacist website without ever like telling a lie in some sort of like sense of like, these are facts. I'm just showing you the facts of all the, but that's that's like Nazi propaganda essentially, which by the way, they used to actually like run examples of Jews committing crimes. So it's like this question of what is, what is fact what? What is fact? It's like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the w w w w wa, the wo, the wo, the wo, the wo, the wo, the wo, the wo, the wo, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the wo, like, the wo, like, like this question of what is, what is fact, what's opinion, it's like the world contains so many facts that in some ways what's more insidious than lies and lies are insidious we see with a big lie is which facts you choose to emphasize, which facts you choose to focus on. And so much destruction and so much ruin can happen based on which facts people choose to use their platforms for.

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I don't know if our kids are going to start getting to start getting to start getting to start getting to start getting to start getting to start getting to start getting to start getting to start getting to start getting to start to start to start to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get their their to their their to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to to to to to to their to to their to talk to you all about where we're headed. I don't know if this is going to be a new holiday. I don't know if our kids are going to start getting Jan 6 out of school for their own safety. I don't know. But I am curious about where we go from here and the role that the media plays in this. This is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back. Chris, what would you say is the big was the biggest, was the biggest, was the biggest failure, was the biggest failure, was the biggest failure failure, was the biggest failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure failure, the biggest failure, the biggest failure, the biggest failure, the biggest failure in the biggest failure in the biggest failure in the biggest, the biggest, the biggest, was the biggest, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was was the biggest, was was the biggest, was was the biggest, was the biggest, was the biggest, was the biggest, was the biggest, was the biggest, was the failure, was the failure, was the failure, was the failure, was the failure, was their, was their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the biggest failure in reporting as it relates to January 6th. Let's critique our media coworkers here. I would say that one thing that happened and I think that I actually think it's been, I think the reporting in the wake of it's been quite good. I think one misapprehension people had when watching it was that it was kind of goofy. And I think that was because of what the cameras were showing as opposed to what they weren't showing.

So because you have cameras in the galleries, you know, what you saw was like the cue shaman comes in and he sits on the chair and it all seems like stunty and weird and they're all like recording themselves. It's only later when you start to get the footage of the cop who's being pressed in the door and Michael Phenone being dragged through and the body cam footage and the assaults and like And then the you know Ashley Babbitt attempting to vault through that broken window and the gunshot that that killed her So I think there was a little bit of a misapprehension the beginning. I think it's probably stuck with some people in In fact some people I think some people I think Tucker Carlson's one example have tried to like to like the like the like the like the tuck. the tuck. the tuck. the tuck. the tuck. the the tuc. the to the to the to they. they. they. tuc. tha. tha. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. I's. I'm. they. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. the, th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they. they. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. te. they. the, they. they. they. they. they. they. the they. the the the th. the th. th. tried to like keep that going like oh isn't this a goofy funny like it's ridiculous to be scared of these people what are you talking about so I think that's a misapprehension that was pretty prominent the beginning but I think has been I think has been turned around I mean I think most Americans think what happened there was completely messed up like I don't think

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a role in helping them and or helping society. In fact, they've been outside of the whole political world for years, and it wasn't until this new character came in who welcomed them in, that they felt they could be a part of it. But again, it became about winning above restoring democracy, creating a working government that could benefit people who are in need, protecting people, things of that nature. Like, that actually was never an interest to a lot of the people we talked about. It really was just simply about the gameification of the not only the election, but then what happened after that. And so when you're like, why are Americans more interested in this? this this this this this this th this the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, the game the game, thi, the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they they're they're they're they're thin, and they're they're they're thin, and thin, and they're theeean. theat, and they're they're they're they're but then what happened after that. And so, when you're like, why are Americans more interested in this and not focused on how democracy is crumbling? Because we were never interested in democracy as an idea.

We were interested at democracy as a bullet to put in a gun that we could shoot to win the contest of my team beat your team. And that's where I'm just like, oh, I don't think Americans are that into politics. Politics is something to utilize government so that its role can help you ultimately. They're into games. Or like civic work, you know, I mean, I think that's, that, you know, it does, it is very identity-based. And I also think, look, the attentional imperatives here, to your point, like, are hard in a million different directions. I mean, people, getting people's attention about anything is hard. I mean, it's like, you know, we've never had more, there's never been more things tugging on our attention. There's never been things that we needed more focused attention on more. And here I'm thinking of the climate challenge, which is like quite literally the

the largest challenge that humans have faced since we started civilization. But maybe if Mother Nature bought some Instagram ads and was an influence. Right, right. Exactly. It continues. Sorry, didn't. Those attentional questions are really hard ones. They're ones I struggle with, too. And I don't know the answer to them. But you know, there are a lot of people that are paying a lot of very close attention. There are a lot of people who understand what, how serious things are. And I think, you know, in some ways I think there's an argument made that you've never had more discussions about democracy itself as a sort of topic of conversation in my political life, you know, where the issue about like are we going to maintain democracy, are we going to strengthen democracy is like an actual topic of conversation, that wasn't really the case I think like 10 or 12 or 15 years ago. What could we expect when it comes to the future of democracy being a tech? That? That th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, them, them, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, as a tho, as a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho, the the the the tho, the the tho, the tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, theeeeeeeeeoooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, tho, tho, tho, I think, like 10 or 12 or 15 years ago. What could we expect when it comes to the future of democracy being a tech? Because the thing that I find that's interesting now is that a lot of the people that stir

at the pot in 2016 have been de-platformed. So a lot of the ways that these types of people can find each other and the hornet's nest can be stirred up is not the same. Trump is not on television as much. A lot of his cronies are not on television as much. So could they still mobilize like this again? Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, I don't know what the future holds. I know that Republicans have worked very hard to put people in positions to do and pull off last time. You have. the the secretary, the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho, tho, thi. thoomea, thi. togea. thaea. thaea, thaea, tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. thea. thea. tho. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tha. tha. toge. togu. togu. togu. thae. true. true. true. true. true. true. true pull off last time. You have the Secretary of State being primary in Georgia. You got the Secretary of State election in Arizona with sort of like avowed adherence to the big lie pro-coo forces. You've got a pro-coo primary challenge of the governor of Georgia, right?

All these people essentially, whether saying it implicitly, saying like, I will do what was not done before, which is deliver power into the hands of the candidate who lost, because I don't recognize the legitimacy of the majority because they're not my people, right? So I really worry about that. And look, at one level, like, there's technical problems here about the way that the law works and who's administering elections,

but there's sort of a deeper problem. Like, I think about this old Yogi Barrow line where he says, you know, they should move first base closer to home so there aren't so many close plays at first, which is like, you can't like, there's going to be close places at first, wherever you put the base, right? It's like if you have one of two major American coalitions mobilized against democracy with the belief that the other side is illegitimate by definition and cannot legitimately win, whatever happens technically around election law like matters, but ultimately like the threat is that, that's the deep threat. And that threat is there and growing. And so I don't know what it looks like, how it plays out.

But look, elections end when the loser acknowledges they're over. Like as a functional matter, that's the definition of the end of an election. And that can't be, if there's a side that will never acknowledge that, then that, we we we we're that, we're that, we're that, we're that, we're that can't be, if there's a side that will never acknowledge that, then that, we're in totally different territory. So it sounds like we're fucked, Jordan. I think that's what you're trying to say, very journalistic. But if cooler heads can prevail, then it's going to be all right. And there's a lot of cooler heads out there, you know. You talked to him all. their their their their, tha. tha. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. thi. tho. tho. tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. I. I. C. I. C. C. C. C. C. C. tha. C. C. C. tha. tha. tha. ttttode. tode. tode. toda. toda. toda. today. today. today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, tod You talk to him all the time. Yeah, let me send you some links.

It'll put a lot of faith in humanity and our democracy. There are cooler heads out there. There are people who did the right thing last time and I think there's a lot of people in America who have a deep, a deep patriotism and civic, a sense of solemn civic duty, who did the right thing the last time. And I hope they're th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tho. tho. thi. thi. the the the tho. the tho. tho. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the. the the the. the. the. the the. the the thea. the the the the tea. the the the tea. the thea. toea. toea. toea. the last time around. I hope they're there the next time. And I also hope that those people are having lots of sex and making more people just like them so that my child has a decent world. And that's how we're going to end this segment. You add most podcasts like that. I feel like I've heard you really go to that well a lot right. Yeah. I I I I I that I that I really wish I that I really wish I that I that I really wish I that. I that I that I really really really really really really really wish. I that. I that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's really really really really really really really really that's really wish. that's really that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. the the the the th. the the the th. the th. the the. that. the. the. that. th. th. th. th. th. th. that to that well a lot, Roy. You're really wishing sex upon people. That's my go to. I'm just wishing blessings upon people. So with that, Jordan Clepper and Chris Hayes of MSNBC, all in,

with Chris Hayes, every night on MSNBC. The podcast is, why is this happening to Chris Hayes? One is an Emmy winner, one is an Emmy nominee. He soon to be any winner with all the hard work that he is doing out there in the streets. I wish you all a happy, do you think we're going to have retail sales around the resurrection? I take that, that would be fine. I would take just maybe. Yeah, I wish you a happy resurrection. Insurrection? Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm thinking about Christmas. No, that's Easter. Okay. I'm a thia I'm a thia. I'm thiiiiiiiii th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi. thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do, do, do. Do, do. Do, do. Do, do. Do, do. Do, do. Do, do. Do, do. Do, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I'm thi, I'm thi. Do thi. Do thi. Do you thi. Do you thi. Do you thi. Do you thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi I'm thinking about Christmas. No, that's Easter. Oh, okay, I'm a Christian. I think I've had enough.

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