The Daily Show: Ears Edition - January Democratic Debate Special | Rick Wilson

Episode Date: January 15, 2020

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The Daily Show with Trivinoa presents. Votasm 2020. The last debate. before the rest of the Daily Show everybody. Thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you for coming in. Thank you so much. Let's do this thing. Let's get into it. I'm Trevor Noah.

The Democratic presidential debate ended just moments ago, and we are coming to you live, people. 100% live. And I can prove it. This is you live, people. 100% live. And I can prove it. This is how live we are. See this hourglass? See? The show just started.

You see that? Now, as we said, the seventh debate just ended. And with only six candidates, it was the smallest debate yet. But it was also the whitest debate yet. So, uh, yeah, six candidates, all of them white, which is amazing odds. I mean, even a cotton of eggs will sometimes have a brown one thrown in accidentally.

So this was really special, really, really special. And for a party that started out so diverse, nobody wanted to see this happen. I mean, the only person happy about this was Greta Tumberg. Yeah, because the stage was so white, it reflected sunlight back into the atmosphere. But white it or not, this was an important debate. It was held in Iowa, which is hosting the first primary vote, just three weeks from now.

And all the candidates are gearing up for the big day, including Bernie Sanders, who tried to pump his supporters up. And this really adorable, right? He this this this this th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thoom thoomombuoomorrow, was thi, was thoomorrow, was thoomorrow, was thoomay, thoomay, thoomay, thoom, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, was, right? He put this Instagram video out of him rolling out to Iowa. Wow, can you feel the energy? I've never been so enthralled in my life. Now I'm not commenting on Bernie's driving. I just think it's funny that he thought this video would psych people up, you know? It's almost like he shot and he was like, did you see me Tokyo drift out of the driveway? We gotta put this shit online right now.

In fact, I bet to us it was chilled up, but in Bernie's head it looked like this... th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi' thi' thi' thi' thi' thi' thi' thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I've thi thi thi thi thi thi to thin to thee thri thri to thrown the the throooo'''n'n' thean thrown thi th shit online right now. In fact I bet to us it was chilled up but in Bernie's head it looked like this. First and furious. All right. Now, the upcoming Iowa primary wasn't the only thing looming over the debate. The big drama leading up to tonight was the growing tension between America's socialist sweethearts, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. It started when Bernie's campaign started saying that Warren only attracts rich and well-educated voters. And in response, Elizabeth Warren hit back and now it is full on beef. Gloves off Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders trade accusations ahead of the Democrats

final debate before voting in Iowa begins. That non-aggression pact between the parties to progressives, it certainly appears to be over. The campaigns now duking it out over a private conversation in 2018, when Sanders allegedly told Warren, a woman can't win, Sanders denies the claims, calling the idea that he would say a woman couldn't win, ludicrous. But then Warren contradicted him publicly.

I thought a woman could win, she said. He disagreed. Oh no. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Those are the last people you'd ever expect to go off to each other like this, man. It's like seeing R2D2 and C3PO become enemies. I mean, they have so much in common. They both on the same side.

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You do the math. So with Bernie and Warren, moving dangerously closer towards open warfare, it's not surprising that the candidates were asked about it at tonight's debate. And Bernie was adamant that he was adamant that that thamamamamamamamamamamamamamamant that he that he that he thamant thamant thamant thamant thamant thamant thamant to to to to to to to to told told told told told told told told to told told told told told told told told. told. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the today the the to to to to to to to to to to to to never said what they said. Senator Sanders, Senator Warren confirmed in a statement that in 2018 you told her that you did not believe that a woman could win the election. Why did you say that? Well as a matter of fact I didn't say it. Anybody knows me. Knows that it's incomprehensible that I would think that a woman could not be president of the United States. There's a video of me 30 years ago talking about how that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in that in th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. th. th. th. th, in th, in th, in th, in th, in th, in th, in th, in th, in th, in th, in th, in th, in th, in th, in th, in th, in thi thi thi the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi theee thei thei theiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii the the the their thoe thoe thi thi think that a woman could not be president of the United States. There's a video of me 30 years ago

talking about how a woman could become president of the United States. All right, this is completely true. Bernie does have a video that came out from 30 years ago. It's true, where he does, where he said, he said in the video, he thinks a woman could be elected president. Then again, we can't th th th think th th think th think th th think think th th th think th th th think think th thi thi thi thi think thi thi think think think think thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi, thi thi thi, thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I thi, I thi, I would thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin.. thin. thin. thin. thiiiiii. thii can't really know if this was recorded 30 years ago because the guy has looked the same his entire life. Like, oh, for all we know, maybe every time Bernie gets in trouble, he just records a new video and then makes it look old. You know, like if someone accused him of

hating dogs all of a sudden a video would pop up with Bernie like, hello, it's 1985 and I want to, I definitely do not hate dogs. No matter what they say about me in 2020, I do not hate dogs. I said it today in 1985. Okay, I gotta go. My Uber's here. So Bernie, Bernie was sticking to his story that he never said a woman can't be president. While Bernie was on the defensive,

Elizabeth Warren attacked, saying that maybe none of these men could be president. I think the best way to talk about who can win is by looking at people's winning record. So, can a woman beat Donald Trump? Look at the men on this stage. Collectively, they have lost 10 elections. The only people on this stage who have won every single election that they've been in are the women. Amy and me.

And the only person on this stage who has beaten an incumbent Republican any time in the past 30 years is me. God! Damn! Woo! Not since Kill Bill. Have I seen one woman obliterate that many men in one fell swoop? I mean, forget the wealth tax. Warren just deducted two balls from every man on that stage.

That's how she did. Pay two from you? Take two from you. So, Bernie says he didn't say it. Senator Warren says he did say it. And she definitely won this exchange, although it would have been a much cleaner victory if she didn't come back a few moments later to create one of the weirdest moments we've ever seen in a debate. Just to set the record straight, I defeated an incumbent Republican running for Congress. When? 1990. That's how I won. Beat a Republican

Congress. Number two. I don't think there's any debate up here. Wasn't it 30 years ago? I beat an incumbent Republican. It's Congressman. And I said, I was the only one who's beaten an incumbent Republican in 30 years. Well, 30 years ago. It's 1990, as a matter of fact.

But I don't know that that's the major issue of the day. Okay, now, that was the most unnecessary nitpicky argument you will ever see in a presidential debate. You know what it felt like? It felt like we were watching an old couple fight in a diner. That's what it looked like. You know, we're just like, I thought you said you were getting an appetizer. Yeah, I am. I'm getting soup. That is an appetizer. No, soup is aside. No, if it comes before the meal, it's an appetizer. My father was right. I should have married St. Greenberg. I am Stue Greenberg.

So that was a pretty tense moment between Warren and Sanders. But there was another tension that had to be addressed tonight. And that was between the US and Iran. And the question the candidates were asked was, why would they make a better commander in chief than the current commander in tweets? I sit on the Senate Armed Services Committee. I work with our generals, with our military leaders, with our intelligence. I am able to work with Republicans.

I am able to bring people together. I've been in the US Senate for over 12 years. I bring a different perspective. I worked internationally around the world for decades. I traveled. I met with governments, I met with businesses, and I understand how America interacts with other countries. Wait, hold up, so stummed Tom Steyer over here thinks he can be Commander-in-Chief because he went on to a lot of business trips.

Because that's basically what he said. It's almost like he was like, that's right, vote for me, I'm Delta Diamond Medallion. It's a weird reason. But look, to be fair, to be fair, thi, that that thi, that thi, that thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thomomomomomomomomomomome, thomomomomome, thomomomom, thom, thom, thom, thom, thom, thom, thom, thom, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thiiiiaa. thooooooooma. thoma. thoma. thoma. thoma, thoma, thoma, to be fair to him, to be fair, Tom Stier did go on to say that he thinks being commander-in-chief is more about judgment than experience. And I'll be honest, in that I agree. Because here's my thing, every candidate makes it sound like they're experts on the military, when in reality the generals give the president options, and the president just picks one. I don't care which president it is. Like even Trump, when they conduct these operations, they give him options and then he picks.

He's not planning the operation. He's not there like, okay, Alpha team, you're gonna go in love. And then pew, pew, pew, then the bad guys over the top, then the grenade, and then you're gonna be like like like be like be like be like be like be like be like be like be like be like be like the the the the the then I'll jump in and I'll be like, take Eric, take Eric, and then we all win. We all win. That's not happening. What happened? Now, I'll be honest with you.

Now, I'll be honest with you. Other than what we just saw, there wasn't much new in this debate. They touched on health care, trade policies, impeachment, and to be honest, it was more of the same. Bernie wants Medicare for all. Biden thinks it's too much. Klobuchar says she can win Republican votes. Budge says he brings something new to the job, which is a fake ID.

All in all, today's debate wasn't that exciting. And I guess this is what happens when you only have white people at your party. You know, yeah, there's no Kamala to spice things up, there's no Corey to do the Carlton, you know? There's no Andrew Yang making it rain. So now the big question is, how will this debate affect the race going forward? Although to be honest, I the debate is the the the thiiiiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th, th, th, th, th, th is th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the is the is the is theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee is the is the, the,. Although to be honest, I think the real question should be, do these debates even matter at all? Because if you think about it, the debates used to be the best way to get in front of the American people, but with two billionaires in the race, the game has changed. Just look at Tom Stier for instance. He's far from a household name, he has the charisma of a clipboard, but recent polls, recent polls, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the thi, their, their, recent polls, recent polls show him surging to second place in South Carolina and third in Nevada.

And one guess for how he did it. So far the candidates combined have spent $17 million on political ads just in the state of South Carolina. Of that $17 million of it was spent by Tom Steyer. Same thing in Nevada. His Nevada-only ad spending is more than all of the ad spending by Biden, Warren, and Klobuchar combined nationwide. Yeah, that's right.

Tom Stier is spending more on ads in one state than other candidates have spent in their entire campaign. And clearly it's having a big effect on the polls, which shows you how effective advertising can be. If you just show people something enough times, eventually they'll be like, yeah, I like that. That's why Cheerios is a thing. Yeah, that's the most popular cereal of all time, and it tastes like if bread farted. And it's not just Tom Steyer,

who's using giant ad buys to jack up his poll numbers, because the real blinking in this race is Michael Bloomberg. Mayor Bloomberg here, the former mayor of New York, has been spending big so far. You've seen all of his advertisements. He's expected to spend around 10 million as well during the Super Bowl. In total so far, he's on track right now to spend $200 million million million million million million million million million. as well during the Super Bowl. In total so far, he's on track right now

to spend $200 million on advertisements by March. That is more than Barack Obama spent in the entirety of his 2012 campaign. And Bloomberg, I said he would spend a billion dollars if he needs to. Yeah. We are seeing some massive spending from Michael Bloomberg, former mayor of New York and Oompmpa Lumpur with a Swiss bank account. Because he's close to shelling out more in a few months

than Obama spent in his entire campaign. And he said he's willing to throw down a billion dollars to beat Trump, a billion dollars. I mean, at that point, why not just offer Trump a billion dollars to step down? He'll take it. He'll take it. I think th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th take it. Come on, the man is wearing a discount weave. We know he needs the money. He needs that money.

You offer him a billion dollars, he'll take it. And honestly, nobody knows if it'll stop at a billion dollars. It could be more. Bloomberg could go forever. The man is worth $60 billion, and he doesn't mind spending his cash. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if pretty soon,'s ads were just taking us hostage. Like they just started looking more like this. This is Mike Bloomberg, a successful mayor, a renowned businessman, and he's bought all the ads on every channel.

If you don't vote for Mike, this will be all you see. Day after day, month after month until you're begging for the my pillow guy. If Mike loses even one primary, he, like, like, like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is thi thi's thi thi thi thi's thi's thi's thus thus, was thus, we's thus, we's thus, we's thus, we's thus thus th is th is th is th is th, th is th, th is th, th, th is th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to to tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom. the, this will be all you see. Day after day, month after month, until you're begging for the My Pillow guy. If Mike loses even one primary, he'll take over all of TV. He'll host the Oscars. He'll be the new star of Blackish. Who'll be the next Bachelor and all the Bachelorette. So, if you want your TV back, you know who to vote for. I'm Mike Blumber. Don't, don't, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. Mike, thi. thi. Mike, thi. Mike, thi. Mike, thi. Mike, thi. Mike, thi. Mike, thi. Mike, thi. Mike, thi. Mike, thi. TV back, you know who to vote for. I'm Mike Bloomberg. Don't be stupid, America. Oh, what a terrifying future. We'll be right back after this message from Lake Bloomberg.

When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. But that's all about to change. Like none of this stuff gets looked at. That's what's incredible. I'm Seth Done of CBS News. Listen to 60 Minutes, a second look, starting September 17th, wherever you get your podcasts.

Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is a long-time Republican strategist and Never Trump Conservative. His latest book out today is called Running Against the Devil, a plot to save America from Trump and Democrats from themselves. Please welcome, Rick Wilson. Thank you, Trevor. You are an interesting breed of cat, as they would say back in the day, because you are a never-Trumper, but you are still a Republican and a conservative.

Does that still exist in this country? Conservative more than Republican. There's no Republican Party anymore. It's dead. Donald Trump killed it. Like he's like a parasite that ate its host from the inside out. So I'm one of the small group of survivors from the old school of limited government individual freedom and liberty, constitutional adherence.

There's not many of us. You could fit us around the table at a waffle house most days. But we're still sort of trying to hold the line in this very crazed era. It's interesting that you say that because, you know, a lot of Republicans said that before Trump became president. You know, we had people like Lindsay Graham on the show. We had people like, you know, I'm Paul on the show. And they were all like, no, this is what we believe in. And Trump is not a Republican.

He became president, and they were like, How do you begin to convince Republican voters that Donald Trump is not a Republican or has he just redefined what that is now and is he the new conservative? Are you now an outlier? Well, those guys are what we refer to in the business as liars and cowards. They are afraid of Donald Trump. They still hate him. They still think he is an animated piece of excrement. They do not love this guy. They are afraid of him.

And the few of us who are willing to call BS on him and speak openly and speak publicly and stand against him, you know, we may be the last priests of a dying religion, but we're going to try to uphold it as long as we can. He has broken the Republican Party. It doesn't believe in anything. Fiscal discipline out the window. He's limiting the size of government out the window. All these things that he, that these guys all said were vital to them. I follow the Constitution. You know, Ted Cruz used to say he'd set himself on fire if you didn't follow the Constitution. And now he's like, yeah, whatev. It doesn't matter at all to them anymore. And so they have let themselves be so debased and so the the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. theoliiiiiiiiole. te. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. that they think we're the aliens,

they think we're the outliers, they think we're the wrong ones, but I'm sorry you got to call it like it like it really is and they have given themselves over to a cult. It's interesting that you that you say that you have not like switch sides or anything, you know it's not like you've gone like, no, I'm now a Democrat. You're saying, no, look, I'm still a conservative. I don't think Donald Trump represents our values. This book is interesting because you say, running against the devil, plots to save America from Trump,

but then interestingly enough, you say, and Democrats from them. So then, tell me, tell thi the me what the me what the me what that that that that that the me what that the me what that the me what the me what the me what the me the me the me the me throwna, throwns, throwns, throwne, throwne, throwne, throwne, thoomoomoomoomoomoomoomat, thoomoomoomoom, the to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, to say, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tooe, the thea., thee, theauoeauoe, theauoe, theauoeauoeauoeauoeanananu., theauoeananu., thea me and guys like me built a very smart, very sophisticated system to wreck the hell out of Democratic candidates and we did it all over the country. Until Donald Trump came along, there was a period of about 20 years where we took almost 2,000 seats away from the Democrats across the country in state legislatures, we took over control of 38 state governments and legislatures over that time. We did it by being better at the root politics, at the hard politics. We did it by being willing to do things that were very tough, by running ads that were very

tough and made people lose their minds. And we did it by running candidates who fit with their states and districts. So look I helped elect a Republican governor in Vermont four times. Now, that is not an easy task, but our guy wasn't a perfect Republican. He wasn't a super hard-right, evangelical southerner. He was a guy who fit Vermont, and it worked. And the Democrats tend to have this thing of ideological homogeneousness. They want everybody to be the same policy perspective, whether you're in San Francisco or whether you're in Virginia or whether you're in Alabama.

And so we were able to put candidates out there who were not, you know, they didn't fit every single ideological test. Right. But we won a lot of seats that way. So are you saying, if I'm understanding correctly, are you then saying that Republicans have always played to win. Yeah. And Democrats play to be right. Democrats play to win an argument. I play to win an election.

I don't care how I get to the finish line. And I, you know, except for breaking the law and occasionally you get breaking the law adjacent. But you want to make sure that you get to the gold line. And sometimes that means not saying, Oh, well, look, our polling tells us Medicare for all scares the crap out of suburban women. But let's talk about Medicare for all, because why would we need suburban women? You know, this is the Democrats fall into these traps that they build for themselves. So then how would you, how would you break that then? What would you say to a Democrat to-n't, the Democrat tonight, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, like, where, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their.... tha, tha, to. to. to. to. to. to. too, too, to. toe. too, to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to be head-to-head with Donald Trump. At some point, they're going to have to try and fight for those 100,000-odd votes that swung the electoral college.

We've seen that it's not a numbers game, it's an electoral college game. It absolutely is. So how would you then say to one of those people, hey, this is how you can win, throwne, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the the the the the th, the th, thi, the thi, thi, thi, the, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, thrown, tho, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the they........ thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. ttttttttttha. tttttha. ttttttthe. thea. thea. ttthea. tthea. thau. thau. thau. tha. tha. tttto start declaring the victory conditions and start saying I'm going to do X, Y, and Z. Ideological promises are a trap. When you promise people something and build a plan and a policy in modern campaigns, that's an invitation for me to put my nerds to work and look through your six-hundred page health care plan and find ten things that scare the crap out of people. And then I make ads about them. And then you their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. to make to make to make to make to make to build. their plan. to build to build their plan. their plan. their plan. their plan. their plan. their plan. their plan. their plan. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their plan. their p. their p. their p. their p. their p. their p. their p. their p. their p. their p. their p. thea. thea. thea. tomk. tome. tomorrow. tomorrow. try. tha. tome. tomorrow. tomorrow. tomorrow. tomorrow. tha. tomorrow. tha. tha. them. And then you run for the hills and you don't understand why people suddenly can't, they say things to you that you know aren't quite true about your policy, deeper and deeper in the weeds.

But the three things the Democrat has to do in this election, that to fight where the fight is. The electoral college, whether you love it or hate Ohio, and Arizona, and a handful of states. The election is over in California. I know how they're going to vote. I know how Mississippi is going to vote. Those are things that are done. You've got to fight where the fight is.

You've got to put their resources because that matter. And then you've got to target in the states even more finely. And they will target, you know, the Democrats are smart. They will be targeting those suburban women who are breaking away from the GOP. They'll be targeting those Obama Trump voters. They'll be targeting those Bernie Trump. Right. So they'll a referendum on Donald Trump. It's not about policy, it's not about your health care plan, your climate change plan, all those are important and they're lovely, but it's a referendum on Donald Trump. All reelections are

referends on the incumbent. So then if I can say this, if I can't say this, because we're going to have to wrap up soon, but essentially, but essentially, but essentially, but to essentially, but to to say, but to say, but to say, but the the the to say, the the thso, the the th. th. th. th. th. th. thin, thi, thi, thi, thrown, thrown, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, all all all thi, all all all thi, all all all all all th. th. th. th. thi, all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all, all all, all, all, all all all, all all, all, all, all, all, the the, the the, the the, thr. thr. thr. thrown, thrown, throoo. throan. throan. throan. throanananananan. thro. thro. thr. thr during the election. I said, and I mean, some people treating me like an idiot for saying it. I said, on TV, the one advantage he has is that he's playing TV. Yes. So when he says, build a wall, it translates into whatever people want to hear about immigration. He doesn't give you the specifics about H-1B visas. He doesn't give you the specifics about what immigration numbers, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, to, to, the, to, the, the, toe, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, thi, the specifics, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the specifics, the specifics, the specifics, the specifics, the specifics, the specifics, the specifics, the specifics, the specifics, the specifics, the specifics, the specifics, the specifics, the specifics, the specifics, the specifics, the the the the the, the the the the, the, the the, the, the, the, the threathi?e, threathi?s.s, theyyyymea, theymea, theymea, theymea, ishihihi.s, ishi.s, their, ish.c.c.c. their, their you the specifics about what immigration numbers or policies. He just gives you ideas. Trevor, his whole policy fit on a trucker hat.

You know, right? And you're exactly right, because what he did was play a reality TV character for 15 years. And Americans thought, oh, this guy is smart, decisive, good manager, good leader, good good negotiator. And so he just kept playing that role. So do you think then Democrats, maybe even, if the Democrats, if the Democrats, if the Democrats, if tha, tha, thiiiii, thi, their, thi, their, their, thi, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. thi, th. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi. the. the. theeeeea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the. the. th role. So do you think then Democrats, maybe even not, if not now, need to get better at playing TV for what they're running against Trump? This is a reality TV game. They need to be practicing that game. It's not a debating society in the Democratic Socialist Conference.

It's a reality TV show. And Trump is the master of the game. They have a narrow path. Well, I'll tell you this. I wish I could disagree with you, but I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Thank you so much for being on the show. Really great having you here. Running Against the Devil is available now. Rick Wilson, everybody.

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