The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Jimmy Kimmel's Suspension Was Always About Censorship (Just Ask Trump) | Jacinda Ardern

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Jon Stewart unpacks Jimmy Kimmel’s return to television amid outcry over his suspension, a sign of the times in an era where President Trump isn’t even hiding his flagrant attacks on free speech, ...retaliation against his political enemies, and the brazen corruption in his administration. Jacinda Ardern, the former Prime Minister of New Zealand, sits down with Jon to discuss her experiences in office, which she chronicles in her memoir, “A Different Kind of Power,” and upcoming HBO documentary, “Prime Minister.” They discuss making progress on issues like child poverty and climate change while also managing a domestic terrorist attack and the Covid pandemic. She emphasizes the importance of politicians spending their political capital on “doing the right thing,” the globalization of political polarization, and how it’s a courageous act to be optimistic in these times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:57 You're listening to Comedy Central. From the most trusted journalists at Comedy Central is America's only source for news. This is The Daily Show with your host, John Doer. Welcome! Boom! Welcome to the Dallas show. My name is John Stewart.
Starting point is 00:01:43 We've got a fabulous show for tonight. Thank you so much for joining us. I will be joined later by the former Prime Minister of New Zealand. Jacinda Ardena, you'll be doing it. A little later. Find out why she forced their ABC affiliate to pull flight of the Concordes. She did that.
Starting point is 00:02:05 Folks, news is flying fast and furious. As you know, the administration teased a big announcement on the cause of autism today. Oh, ye of little faith. So let's get right. This is obviously a very serious moment for the world and the United States of America to the White House. What is the cause of autism? The use of acety of, well, let's see how we say that, acidaminophen, acedaminophen, said okay. No!
Starting point is 00:02:49 No, it is not okay. We would like a second opinion. and a third pronunciation. Look, there's already a ton of controversy around the lack of data tying acetaminopin in pregnancy to autism. And you can't even be bothered to pronounce a fucking word correctly.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Until maybe you get to the one word you recognize from your medicine cabinet. Which is basically commonly known as Tylenol. Well, I'm sure now they're known as plaintiff. if A. Aceta, acetyamine. That's when he looks up, that's his tell that he recognizes the word.
Starting point is 00:03:36 Cidavidylenol. Meanwhile, on other ABC news, young Jimmy Kimmel's coming back to television. I'll tell you, Jimmy Kimmel's flying high like Advil today. See, the mid-of-thens, boom, Advil's like, what's up, motherfucker? You got a headache? Where are you going to turn? No, Kimmel's coming back.
Starting point is 00:04:25 campaign, and I, you know what, I'm joking around, I want to say this seriously, that campaign that you all launched, pretending that you were going to cancel Hulu, while secretly racing through four seasons of only murders in the building, that really worked. Congratulations. Wasn't it, wasn't it interesting to try and figure out all the tentacles Disney has in your daily life? It's one thing to swear off cruises, but the Avengers, now. How is it possible that by getting rid of one company, I can't watch Winnie the Pooh or Monday Night Football or listen to early Hillary Duff?
Starting point is 00:05:09 So yesterday, I would sing more of it. Obviously, Disney is very litigious. It was rather shocking. that this turnaround occurred because I was told that the original decision to get rid of Jimmy had nothing to do with the Trump administration and their explicit FCC threat that they could remove the show the easy way or the hard way. My gosh, this has nothing to do with Donald Trump not agreeing with anything Jimmy Kimmel said
Starting point is 00:05:46 or not. I mean, gee Willikers. All my days. I mean, I don't know why people would think that. We just randomly remove one show a week. If Donald Trump wanted to take everyone off the air who had criticisms for him, there would basically only be a handful of individuals left on television. That is funny.
Starting point is 00:06:16 That is funny. But it's also maybe a cause for self-reflection? Hey, if everyone on TV is criticizing me, except for like four people, and one of them is my daughter-in-law, am I the drama? Don't take my word for it. Ask Trump. I'm a very strong person for free speech. Almost inevitably, a statement like that will be followed up by a but. However, although, that being said, but if you really, it's like one of those phrases like, I don't see color, but.
Starting point is 00:07:14 So Trump's saying he's strong for free speech. Well, let's see that big butt of yours. At the same time, when you have networked. works that where I won an election, like in counties, I guess it's 2,600 to 525. It's called landslide times two. Yeah. I don't know if you're aware of this. We don't quantify elections by county.
Starting point is 00:07:50 We never have. We don't judge the election by how many counties one person wins. and one person loses. Presidents don't ever say, well, I lost the popular vote in the electoral college, but I won the land mass. That's not how these go.
Starting point is 00:08:05 So Trump is up 2,600 counties to 525. And I guess if you were to divide that by the negativity directed at him. But 97, 94, 95, 96% of the people are against me in the sense of the news
Starting point is 00:08:25 casts are against me. The stories are 90, they said, 97% bad. So they gave me 97. They'll take a great story and they'll make it bad. I think you see what this all adds up to. See, I think that's really illegal personally. Boom! Let me explain something. Free speech has always been a ratio. If the county vote were more equal,
Starting point is 00:09:13 you could take a good story and make it bad without being jailed. But as our founders stated in the Constitution, when the delta between the sigma of counties divided by factorials of negative, are greater than pie, your inalienable rights turn into more of an expired groupon. I'm sorry, this is how it goes. I didn't make the rules, blame the founders. Now, free speech, free speech isn't the only tent post of a free society facing redefinition. There's also this.
Starting point is 00:09:51 We're bringing back law and order to our country. Oh, we're not talking about the show? Oh, okay. Because I'm not sure that's ever left us. He's talking about law and order as a foundational principle of civilized society. So how does Donald Trump propose bringing law and order back?
Starting point is 00:10:12 President Trump is publicly putting pressure on the Department of Justice and Attorney General Pam Bondi. In a post on true social, the president said, what about Comey, Adam Schifty Schiff, Letitia, They're all guilty as hell, but nothing is going to be done, adding justice must be served.
Starting point is 00:10:31 You post that? Publicly, sir, far be it for me to tell you how to run your post-judicial lawfare. But do we all have to be copied on this shit? We know you and Bondi talk in private. Epstein. Oh, I'm sorry. I have a I have a
Starting point is 00:11:08 Now most people would think a president ordering his independent Department of Justice to go after his political opponents is weaponizing the Department of Justice. That's why most people don't work in this administration. It is not weaponizing the Department of Justice to demand accountability for those who weaponized the Department of Justice. Yes, this is law fair, but this lawfare is only fair because of how he fared under, I've run out a road for the metaphor. But I think you understand.
Starting point is 00:11:55 But look, man, if Letitia James committed a crime, she should be out accountable. But what if she hadn't committed a crime? Trump forced out top federal prosecutor Eric Siebert after his office failed to find incriminating evidence against New York Attorney General Letitia James. He fired him for not finding evidence. Trump is going full devils wears Prada on this one.
Starting point is 00:12:19 I want an indictment for Letitia James on my desk. You're fired. But Mr. Trump, it's three in the morning, and she didn't do anything. You woke pussy, er! There's a thousand girls who would take your place in a second. And that sweater is pedestrian. That's my... I've never seen the movie.
Starting point is 00:12:45 If you've seen the movie, you probably go, I don't think that's the movie. By the way, this Seabert fella was appointed. by Trump earlier this year. Look, at this point, it's so blatantly an abuse of power, and yet his defenders continue to reframe this as refreshing. He's asking his Attorney General in a public way to go after his political enemies. Very open about it. You're okay with that? Well, I think what we know is President Trump is very open and transparent with the American people, and he speaks his mind, and that's what his supporters love about him, and that's what America loves about him.
Starting point is 00:13:23 that's what America loves about Dolly Parton. Transparent speaks your mind. Yet Dolly rarely jails her political enemies. I mean, Senator Mark Wayne, or Mark hyphen Wayne, backslash Mullin. Do you want to know how embarrassing your weak-need rationalizations for jailing political opponents ring? I'm going to play you a clip of a fellow sense. senator, a fellow Republican senator. By the way, that's majority
Starting point is 00:14:01 opinion. Not just here. Now, Cruz has supported this president through insults to his own wife's looks and to his own father's loyalties. And yet Cruz still manages to maintain a modicum of self-respect when it comes to this president trampling all over a constitution. Sir, it brings me no place.
Starting point is 00:14:23 to have to play this. Look, I like Brendan Carr. He's a good guy, as the chairman of the FCC. I work closely with him. But what he said there is dangerous as hell. Fantastic! Fantastic! Senator Ted Cruz boldly stating that the FCC chairman
Starting point is 00:14:47 threatening the licenses of networks is dangerous, and Senator Cruz, I would just say, maybe you should stop there I would stop there I would not continue with the thought perfect no notes all right go on
Starting point is 00:15:03 and I gotta say he he threatens it he says we can do this the easy way but we could do this the hard way the hard way The fuck. What sort of reprapped?
Starting point is 00:15:23 The hard way? Oh, what kind of mobster have you ever heard? We can do this the hard way. We can do it the easy way, the hard way. Easy a hot. That's not the godfather. That's Lenny from Mike. than men.
Starting point is 00:15:44 I the bunny the bunny can do it easy the hard way. You got more, Senator, don't you? And I got to say
Starting point is 00:16:00 that's right out of Goodfellas. That's right out of a mafioso coming into a bar going, nice bar you have here. It'd be a shame of something happened to it. That's not a goodfellas quote. I know this because all of my decorative pillows
Starting point is 00:16:19 have Goodfellas quotes on them. I mean, I would go home. I would say, that's me at home. Look at me. Now, Senator, a lesser man might tell you to go home and get your fucking shine box, but I don't. Because you wouldn't even know what that means. Ted Cruz, I mean to do that with Goodfellas,
Starting point is 00:16:41 But that accent, is there anything in pop culture that I love that you can't ruin? Dad, I'm a vegetarian. I don't eat animals. But Lisa, animals are so delicious. There's the animal we get bacon from, the animal we get ham from, the animal we get sausage from. Dad, that's all the same animal. Smithers, release the hounds. Excellent.
Starting point is 00:17:11 They're not booing. They're saying boo-earns. Imagine having to endure a Texas power outage with this guy. Who wants to hear my app poo? Anyone? Well, he ruined my love of the Simpsons. At least I've still got my favorite franchise Star Wars all to myself, so I don't have to... force is strong with this one.
Starting point is 00:17:43 Hmm, there is no try. Do or do not. At best, he sounds like Yoda with a sinus infection, trying not to come. Do or do not to come. Do you or do... You may enjoy Star Wars, said Chris, but there's one thing we'll never have in common,
Starting point is 00:18:21 and that's my comfort movie, The Princess Bride, a fantastical tale of adventure and true love with an outstanding cast. Oh, you know what's coming! You know what's coming! With an outstanding cast, including the inimitable. Oh, fuck it, just roll it.
Starting point is 00:18:37 So, what is it you have that's so worth living for? He presses on his chest, and Wesley goes, True love. Liar! Shut up, witch. I'm not a witch. I'm your wife, but after what you just said, I wish I wasn't.
Starting point is 00:18:50 Don't say that name. What? Humperding, humpeting, humpeting, humpeting. I can't hear you. So. Wow. That was a straight. I'm like, I was a one-man show.
Starting point is 00:19:05 Do you know how hard it is to make Mario Lopez uncomfortable? truly Mario Lopez the man who need I remind you did this dance in a tank tea in front of everyone at the max
Starting point is 00:19:25 look I don't want to get sidetracked by Ted Cruz's Vegas residency I just want to say this to Trump's defenders you don't have to bend over backwards trying to make Trump's authoritarian power grabs seem like the rule of law. He does not give a fuck anymore.
Starting point is 00:19:47 He's saying it's straight up. Trump is saying the people like dictators. Trump is saying, I hate my opponents and I want them punished. And Trump is saying I'll use all the levers of government at my disposal to accomplish that goal. So you can get on board with that and say, I'm with that. Or you can join the rest of us and fight like hell for this. constitutional witness. Let me tell you something.
Starting point is 00:20:22 Let me tell you something. Hold on. It is a form of representational government worth preserving and defending. And as the great Winston Churchill once said, we shall never surrender mother f***er when we come back
Starting point is 00:20:47 to Sinda Arden will be joining us and thank all right Did you lock? Did you lock the front door? Yep installed window sensors, smoke sensors and HD cameras with night vision? No. And you set up credit card transaction alerts,
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Starting point is 00:22:38 I'm well now I want to be correct right Honorable Dame Jacinda it's a lot it's a please Jacinda just Jacinda thank you I am referred to as Admiral Stewart I will have you know how are you doing you put out your autobiography where you talk a little bit about sort of how you grew up and the challenges that you faced as prime minister boy you got hit with a lot of crises as you went there you put out a children's book and you did a documentary yeah yeah that one came a little bit a little bit later my husband he's a broadcaster and so when i found myself you know seven weeks out from an election suddenly uh running to be prime minister he just picked up a camera and started recording you know we didn't have a set plan for
Starting point is 00:23:34 it maybe it would just be a nice record for our daughter but then after I left office, it was turned into a documentary. It's really a remarkable one because it's remarkable because it's very unfiltered in a way that you don't often see with politicians. You were not, as might be micromanaged here from certain personalities, in the edit room going, don't put that in.
Starting point is 00:24:01 No, I don't want to snap. You know, they're. And I think that's obvious. It's obvious by the footage. You're like, why would she have allowed clip at that angle. More importantly, why would she have allowed her husband to film it? Well, yeah, one thing I will say.
Starting point is 00:24:18 So I've only seen the final version of it once all the way through, and that was at Sundance Film Festival. So it was a very shared experience with the rest of the audience. And, you know, the bits that are in there, it's fair to say, don't include the number of times I told him to leave me alone and stop filming. But yeah, I really... I believe that you said, leave me alone.
Starting point is 00:24:42 Yeah, that was the polite version. Yes, I was going to say. But, you know, I'm so glad he persisted because, you know, there's a story, I hope, that's told which isn't just about, you know, what's it like to lead through a domestic terror attack and through a pandemic and have a baby. And I hope that... All within a very short period of time. Very short period of time.
Starting point is 00:25:04 90 minutes, as it happens. And I hope that story is that there's still humans doing these jobs, and we'll make mistakes, and, you know, sometimes we'll get things right, and sometimes we'll get things wrong. But we need more leaders who are willing to be humans while they're in the job. Very interesting. What would that look like? It was, you know, your background, you know, you have this childhood, your father works in law enforcement, you go into these small farming communities in New Zealand, or you, you go into these small farming communities in New Zealand? go around and there's the stories are really charming but it's very clear it informs the humanity of your politics and it's what gets you involved and it's what gets your party you know uh to really
Starting point is 00:25:53 tie with the conservative party and then break the tie so that you end up being prime minister but you don't necessarily get a chance to govern that way because you're hit immediately with these terrible crises we were hit with a lot but you know at the same time. You know, I'd like to think that we still made progress on the things that really mattered to us. We still did a lot on child poverty. We still put in really important climate change law. I remember during COVID, you know, we were really worried about the number of women that were losing work because particularly you saw insecure jobs which were dominated by women that were really, really struggling. And so we put a food and schools program in knowing
Starting point is 00:26:32 that part-time work would likely support women into the world. And so you tried to cover off one crisis with another long-term thing that you really wanted to do well in office. So we tried to do both, but there's no doubt. It's hard. When you're managing a pandemic, when you're managing, you know, terror attacks, doing everything else. It is, it is hard. It was also interesting within it to see the highs. You know, after Christchurch, your leadership, I think, was lauded, not just probably in New Zealand, but around the world.
Starting point is 00:27:06 for the way that you handled it, the empathy that you displayed, going to the funeral, wearing a scarf 10 days later, coming up with legislation that's going to ban these types of terrible weapons, which I don't know if you follow in this country, we've done the same. We are, I think the word is agile when it comes to these types of things. but to see really your approvals and you're riding high on that and even early on in COVID and then to see that turn was really jarring and as an individual having experienced that sense of the headiness of the popularity and then suddenly faced with you know a woman right in your face going you know you how does it feel to kill people during COVID? I think when you're in politics the idea that you ever allow this headiness or this idea that you're riding high. I never felt that, you know,
Starting point is 00:28:10 because I've been around politics for so long. I always held on to the idea, what goes up must come down. You know, and ultimately, whatever political capital that you might have, you're going to need to spend it. And, you know, the best we can hope for is that politicians spend it on doing the right thing, even if it's something that's hard, even if it's something that you know might not be popular, just doing the right thing. Did you in 29, you know, did you deal with Trump in the first administration, had you had much? I did. And did he ever say, like, I think I'm going to invade your country.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Did he ever, what was it like to deal with him? So many leaders we've seen find a way to try and flatter him personally while doing whatever it is they want to do otherwise. I remember a lot of our women, one of the interactions I talk a little bit. bit about in the book. And it was a phone call after our domestic terror attack where a white supremacist took the lives of 51 members of our Muslim community. And broadcast it on social and it was horrific. We had it. This is one of the things that happens in leadership. You do contact one another and you pass on your country's condolences and you offer support and assistance. So we had a phone call like that. That was my second interaction.
Starting point is 00:29:59 And at that time, you know, I thought, what can I ask, what can I ask of a country like the United States in that moment? And I remember the only thing I asked for was love and support for Muslim communities, because that was... From us? Yes. You don't ask, you don't get, I guess. Even when you ask. Yeah. But, I mean, at that time, you know, I still find it deeply sad that it, you know, warrants.
Starting point is 00:30:29 comment the idea that, you know, mourning with a community who have lost so many of its members should be something that, you know, warrants conversation. But it does now. But that's sad. And even, by the way, on the flip side, you just see, we've just had another terrible assassination, along with other mass shootings along that time. And social media, you see in these tribal communities, in these silos, the worst of humanity. It is, it reflects and magnifies people's worst instincts. It's as though they think shit posting is legally mandatory, like, that they have to jump in, that someone must know their worst inner thought in a moment, even if it's going to cause terrible pain to other communities. I imagine you had to deal with social media
Starting point is 00:31:18 companies and all that because of what happened on Christchurch was public. It was live streamed. It was live streamed. If you can imagine, an attack is a horrific as that. Targeting. Friday prayers to maximize the number of victims, and it was live streamed for 17 minutes. And what was the attitude trying to contain that and get it pulled down? And was there a sense of them saying, yeah, we have a responsibility to control that? This is one thing, actually, that you can get agreement on. Everyone agrees that violent extremism and terrorism and the online environment is a bad thing. You can actually get some agreement. What's difficult is to get those who carry some responsibility
Starting point is 00:32:02 to do something about it. And so... Interesting. You know, that video was uploaded 1.5 million times onto Facebook. Once every second for the first 24 hours, it was uploaded onto YouTube. It was prolific. It was everywhere.
Starting point is 00:32:24 Right. So some things have changed as a result. Some things have changed because of some of the work we did, but the pathways to radicalization have got worse. And we can't sit by and do nothing and expect it will improve. We have to start taking responsibility for each of our own areas to change what is that radicalization that is happening. You guys did do that. We tried. Not necessarily to look.
Starting point is 00:32:51 It's very difficult to design a society to outstead. strategize crazy. Like, that's going to exist. But you can do things maybe to mitigate it. I'm pleased you're not putting that all on New Zealand. I mean, we can do a lot. We can do a lot. I was hoping you'd pick up on that.
Starting point is 00:33:13 It's your fault for burying the ring there. The ring is what's causing a lot of this. I find it often. It often comes back to that. By the way, I want to point out, so I went. to say hello before the show, and it was lovely, and you have an enormous, in her dressing room, an enormous, I guess, posse, you'd call it.
Starting point is 00:33:36 There's two of them. No. Let's make sense. You roll like Snoop. But she had laid out a lovely display of New Zealand chocolates on a plate. What is the name of the chocolate? Oh, for God's sakes. Whitaker's hokey pokey
Starting point is 00:33:56 So I walked in and she has a full display of Whitaker's hokey pokey punch I couldn't put the whole block It would have melted in my my trousers But I did bring And it was and I have to say delicious But I didn't know if that if I was supposed to say like Wow New Zealand Nice
Starting point is 00:34:19 Could you just say that directly down Wow New Zealand And great chocolate. Thank you. Thank you. I am curious because I think we view, you know, New Zealand as kind of a refuge. And when you view what's happening in the United States, does it seem surreal, shocking, expected?
Starting point is 00:34:49 What's your vision on kind of how our politics is the direction it's moving? I don't think you're alone. You know, I don't think you're alone. There's a globalization of political culture, and I think different nations are feeling it to different degrees. But there's a global survey done by Edelman. It's a trust barometer. And what they've seen across countries is an increase in the grievance people feel. They feel that political institutions are not only not making their lives better, they're making them harder.
Starting point is 00:35:23 61% of people feel that way. This is worldwide. This is worldwide. This is a global survey. And then, as a consequence, four out of ten, think hostile action is justified because of it. Hostile action. Spreading disinformation or, you know, violent online engagement. or, you know, even vandalizing public property.
Starting point is 00:35:50 You know, so in order to solve the second, because political violence is never okay, and disinformation solves nothing, in order to solve that, we also have to think about what's causing people's grievance in the first place. And that's where, as political leaders, we have to take responsibility.
Starting point is 00:36:07 The easiest trick is to weaponize fear and blame. But that is what leaves out... Well, that's the way it's, to quote, Yoda, I believe that may lead to the dark side. Well, in my view, I mean, does it leave our societies and our communities better or worse off? I think that answer is obvious. But do you wonder sometimes, is that even the goal anymore? Because I wonder, as I watch the political system, and I think, are they cynically using fear
Starting point is 00:36:40 and weaponizing it? Is power really the principle that they're perceiving? Because that, you could make the case that it's divorced from outcome, that it's really just a tool to allow them to consolidate power. Well, then I guess it depends what you think the definition of power is. What is power? In my mind, it's responsibility. Yeah, that's not their definition. I'm going to get back to, I've gotten my notes here, do the right thing.
Starting point is 00:37:15 No. But that's exactly right. In your experience, is it, we live in a complex ecosystem. Is it some combination of sort of these, the more online that we might live, the isolation people felt from COVID, the pandemics, you know, residual effects kind of knocking us a bit off of our center. And that this is a cycle that we find ourselves in. that's going to be difficult to unwind?
Starting point is 00:37:48 I think so. Right. I think so. What are some of the things that you would look at to help unwind? Well, in my mind, the part of the prescription is the type of leadership we have. You know, in these times when people do have a sense of uncertainty and fear comes out of a sense of uncertainty,
Starting point is 00:38:08 when they have financial insecurity, and that is also a feature I think we see globally. When you have those things, leadership matters And the U.S. has been in times that I imagine would have felt as difficult as this before. The aftermath of a war, a pandemic in 1918, and then the Great Depression. Sure. World War II. And your leader was FDR, a great empathetic leader who didn't use fear and blame, but instead walked through. He did intern the Japanese for, you know, I guess the point is like, we do it, we have, we have a, no, I just, I don't know, I don't know where you go after that.
Starting point is 00:38:45 The point is, we have a, sometimes a nostalgia for history that doesn't allow us to judge ourselves properly. And it's why it's so difficult that right now when we look and we say like, gosh, we tell such a bad story about slavery, we should really lighten that up. You know, countries that can face their own dark histories have an opportunity to make those reforms. And acknowledging your history. Acknowledging your history, and of course, New Zealand has a lot to acknowledge. Acknowledging your history is not an unpatriotic act. It's a way of saying, I love my country, and I know it can be better. All right, we're done.
Starting point is 00:39:30 We're good. But the point I was trying to make before you brutally derailed it. Yes. Was that empathetic and right in these times? Yes. My view, the answer is empathetic leadership. It takes courage to be empathetic in these times. It is a courageous act to be optimistic in these times.
Starting point is 00:39:53 But we need more of it, not less. Have you seen, is there a leader out there that you see on the world stage and you think, boy, that's something, that's the seed of something really interesting, really beautiful, really coming together. Well, two things. I think the President of Mexico is governing through really difficult times. Right. doing so with dignity, integrity. I think that it's really interesting that on two recent election nights, prime ministers who won office use their election night victory speeches to talk
Starting point is 00:40:23 about kindness, and that was Mark Carney in Canada and Anthony Albanesean Australia. Why aren't we talking about that? Why aren't we talking about those examples where leaders are saying these are values that matter? So let's talk about those that are being a little more optimistic in these dark times rather than some others. Right. Absolutely. It's fantastic. You're going to be teaching that now, am I correct? You are teaching empathetic leadership.
Starting point is 00:40:53 Yes, I've built something called the Field Fellowship. It's supporting politicians still out there doing the hard graph, leading with compassion. So I have a program to support their work they're doing and try and spotlight some of their work. It's fantastic. Is there any consideration you're still very, very young to be able to. to be president of the United States, you have to be, from what I understand, 90. Is there any chance you re-enter a political arena at some point, or is that part of your life that you'd like to move past it?
Starting point is 00:41:26 I'm very happy as just solely an ambassador for New Zealand's chocolate. It's very good for chocolate. The HBO documentary film Prime Minister, it debuted September 30th, Children's Book, Mom. busy work is available now. Dame Jacinda Arder. Quick break, we'll be right by. Thank you. Calling all book lovers.
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Starting point is 00:43:11 What are you going to be covering for us this week? Oh, well, it's UN Week in New York, John, my favorite time of year because there's nothing like seeing the world's most powerful leaders out and about in New York City. I mean, just today, I saw Javier Malay at the M&M store.
Starting point is 00:43:27 Manuel Macron cut me off on a city bike, and the Prime Minister of Greece told me to get the fuck out of his bodega. I'm just curious. Are you sure that those were the world leaders that you saw? Or were those just regular New Yorkers? I did a model UN back in high school. I think I know the players. Anyway, I got a bounce.
Starting point is 00:43:59 I'm going with Gaddafi to see Mamma Mia tonight. He lives in my building. Can you believe it? No, I can. Sounds fun, Jordan. Have a good time. Here it is your moment is then. You know, JFK said, men see things as they are and ask why i see things that never are and ask why not explore more shows from the daily show podcast universe by searching the daily show wherever you get your podcasts watch the daily show weeknights at 11 10 central on comedy central and stream full episodes
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