The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Joe Manchin's Surprise Climate Deal | Leila Mottley

Episode Date: July 29, 2022

America's slowing economy sparks a recession debate, Sen. Joe Manchin reaches an agreement with his fellow Democrats on a climate bill, and Leila Mottley discusses her novel "Nightcrawling."See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thank you so much. Good to see, good to see, take a see, please, take a see, let's get into it. We have got a jam-packed show for you tonight. Everybody loves Joe Mansion. America is a broke-ass bitch. And if you've heard the new Beyonce album, you're going to jail. So, let's do this, people. Let's jump straight into the big stories, let's catch up on a few other things that are going on.

First up, in business news, JetBlue has officially announced that it will buy Spirit Airlines for $3.8 billion dollars. Yeah, 3.8 billion. Yeah. What's crazy is that Spirit still charged them $30 for a carry-on bag. But I mean, this is a smart move for JetBlue them $30 for a carry-on bag. But I mean, this is a smart move for JetBlue. You know, a lot of people are confused. They're like, why? But it makes sense as a business you want to diversify.

You know, think about it. Why just be an airline, when you can be both an airline and a flying party. This is great. In entertainment news, the new Beyonce album officially drops tonight at midnight people. And... Yeah, but somehow, the entire thing leaked online yesterday, 36 hours early. And you know what happens when someone betrays Beyonce like this. She puts out a fire album about it, oh, I can't wait. I can't wait. No, but for real like this. She puts out a fire album about it. Oh I can't wait. I can't wait. No, but for real though. Licking Beyonce's album early is an outrage. It is

unforgivable. And if any of you in this room have it on your phone right now, you better go ahead and airdrope that to me. I want to hear what's going on. All right and finally, in some really exciting gaming news, we're finally getting a glimpse into Grand-t Auto 6, and there are some really cool shit in it. Apparently the game will constantly grow as you're playing it. This is going to keep adding new areas and new missions. Yeah, so whatever you job you have right now, finish it up. Because once that game comes out, you're not leaving your bedroom. Oh, what's also cool is that for the first time ever, G G G G G G G G G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. G. th. th. th. th, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th, th. th. th. th. the the the the the game, the game, the game, the game, the game, the game, the game, the game, the game, the game, the game, the game, the game, the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the the the th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the, GTA is gonna have a female main character in the game, playable. Yeah, finally, I love this.

This is so cool, finally, someone has broken the glass ceiling by driving with a Lamborghini, like shooting Uzi's, br-r-r-r-r-r. It's gonna get a lot of new people playing GTA, especially the Supreme Court. They're gonna be like, I get to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, finally. thi, finally. thi, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally. thi, finally. thi, finally. thi, finally. thi, finally. thi, finally. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, thi, finally, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, finally be like, I get to control a woman's body, I'm in. I'm in. Too soon, too soon? All right, anyway, let's move on to the big news of the day, which is about the economy. What people in suits blamed for why they can't pay you.

It's the economy, you understand. For the past year or so. As America began to emerge to emerge to emerge to emerge to emerge to emerge to emerge to emerge to emerge to emerge to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the too.. tooom. tooom. tooom. tooom. too. too. too. too. toooooom. toooom. too. tooom. too. too. too. too. to emerge from the pandemic, its economy has been dragged down by soaring inflation. And today, everybody is debating one key question. Is America in a recession? Is the U.S. economy in a recession right now? Well, not officially, but today the Bureau of Economic Analysis reported that our nation's gross domestic product fell by 0.9% from

April to June. Now that follows a 1.6% drop in the first quarter of the year. For many economists, a falling GDP for two straight quarters equals a recession. However, the National Bureau of Economic Research has not declared a recession. Fed Chairman Powell said that while consumer spending and production are slowing, unemployment remains near 50-year lows. That suggests the U.S is not currently in a recession. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to the the thi.S.S.S.S. thiiiiiii. thiii. thiiiiiiiiiiii. Now thiiii. Now thi. thi. Now thi. Now thi. Now thi. Now thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. Now thi. Now thi. Now th. Now th. Now th. Now th. Now th. Now th. Now thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. Now, thi. Now, thi. Now, thi. Now, thi. thiii. thiii. thi. thii. thi. thi. thi. thi. slowing, unemployment remains near 50-year lows. That suggests the U.S. is not currently in a recession. I do not think the U.S. is currently in a recession.

Whatever we're in today, whether you want to call it a recession or not, doesn't feel like a natural recession, at least a classic recession as we've had in previous periods. Ah, it's a recession! Possibly. Buh, sell everything. But by everything, we're all gonna die at some point. Yeah, America might be in a recession or not. Some signs say no.

But some signs say yes. Yeah, as we found out today, the gross domestic product has gone negative for two quarters in a row. And that's generally a sign that you are in a recession. You know, it's like when you say, I love you to your partner, and they respond, great. That's a sign that your relationship is in a recession. And in case you're wondering why they call it gross domestic product, it's because most of the economy is pretty gross. You see, a big chunk of America's GDP comes from Steve Bannon's only fans account.

A lot of people don't realize this. And what's even more important to know is that the government is creating the slowdown in the economy on purpose to try and combat inflation, which we all know is out of control. I mean, Spirit Airlines is $3.8 billion. Now that it was worth what, $6.95? Come on, people. So the GDP has fallen. But on the other hand, the moneyman, Jerome Powell, he says that some parts of the economy the economy are actually doing great, which means maybe we're not in a recession. And that's that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thiiiiiii, thi, thi, thi, thii, thioli, thi, the thiol-iol-i, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is threat, threaten, threaten, threaten, threaten, threaten, threaten, threaten, threaten, threaten, threat It's bad, but it's also good. You know, basically the economy right now is 90-day fiancé. Yeah. It's like you have to watch this show. Oh, it's good. No, it's terrible. It's terrible. Oh, so it's bad?

No, it is so good. so. All right, that's it for the headlines, but before we go to break It's not to check in on all the latest social media trends with our very own runny Chang everybody What's what's happening out there is anything trending we meet? What is anything trending? We mean what you? Is anything trending? Are you kidding? Are you? Are you? Are people still dumb? Yeah, yeah, yeah, then? Yes, things are trending? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th. th. T th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their? they? they? they? they? they? they? they? they? they? they? they? they. they. they. tr. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. Are you kidding me? Are people still dumb? Yeah. Yeah, yes, things are trending, all right? That's what the problem is, okay? We can't think for ourselves anymore because you can only talk about whatever's trending. Oh, you know Ronnie, I'm starting to feel like you hate social media.

No, no, no, no, don't let's let thin th. I love this, why wouldn't we want to give every idiot in the world a platform for their stupid opinions? All right? Let's do it, let's find what's trending right now. What is, oh, wait, wait, hang on, before this, I just want to say a quick shout out to the recession, love recession, love recession. No, let's go, recession. No, no, recession. No, no, no, no, don't. R, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, th. th. th. th. R, th. R, th. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. R. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, w. Well, wa. Well, to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. t. to. t. t. t. t. t. Come on, Ronnie. What? Yeah, I can.

If it's gonna wipe out these crypto-feebys, right? With the cartoon monkeys and their doggy coin, yo, they had so much money they made up a thing to lose money on. Okay, they deserve a recession. This is gonna be like Noah's Flood, okay? You know what, thii's th is th. th. th. th. tho's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi? thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's thi. thi's that's that's thate's gonna thoomoomoomatheing? thi-nigh. thoomoomoomoomoom? thoom? thoomoom? thoom? thoom? thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-aa. th, can you just tell us what's trending? What's happening? What's trending online? What, you don't have a phone? Look, there's only one thing trending today, okay? Beonse.

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Okay? So, Trevor, man, why don't we do that? You know, we should be leaking the show. We got to be leaking. Here we are, like idiots, just releasing it Monday through Thursday, like a bunch of boomers, all right? We should be leaking the shit. Leak this show. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th. th, th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. We all thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiolioli thi thi all all thi. We all all thi, thi, like a bunch of boomers, all right? We should be leaking the shit. Leak the show, come on, leak it! Yeah! Get the kids talking. Then, hey, maybe, maybe we go platinum, right? Ronnie, we can't go platinum, we're a TV show. Exactly, because we don't leak, okay? Let's leak. Leak, just try leaking once, okay? And, and by the way, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show, the show the show show show the show show show, the show the show, the showe, the showe, the showe, the showe, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak, leak's leak. Leak. Just try leaking once,

okay? And by the way, everyone who's mad that it leaked, guys, this is a victimless crime, okay? They probably made like a billion dollars anyway on this leak. Because it's not about buying albums. No one buys albums anymore. Okay? Even Jet Blue would rather buy Spirit Airlines than buy an album. Right? Beyonce leaked this album on purpose for the hype, which is a great move, but no one would admit it, because you can't say anything bad about Beyonce in this country, right? Because we live in this like fascism.

No, I love lemonade, all the single ladies, all the single ladies, I love, I love all that stuff, okay? But she's human, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thanks, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. B, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, the the the the single ladies, all the single I love, love all that stuff, okay? But she's human, all right? You can criticize God in this country, but you can't criticize Beyonce? Ronnie, I'm gonna stop you there, all right? This is blasphemy, all right? I do not think Beyonce leaked the album on purpose. Don't you say she leaked on purpose, so therefore, what, this is what, Beyonce made a mistake? She made a mistake, so what, you're saying, Beyonce's incompetent?

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Wow. Really, great. Ronnie, Ronnie Chang, everybody. All right, when we come back, we'll be looking at how the Democrats pull the fox on on a mission of funnel, so don't go away. Oh, Reggie. Finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You might get a lot of resumes, but not enough candidates with the right skills or experience. But not with Zip Recruiter. Zip Recruiter finds amazing candidates for you fast. And right now you can try it for free at ziprecruiter.com. Sliprecruiter's smart technology identifies top talent for your roles quickly.

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You might remember this. Back when Joe Biden was elected, one of his biggest promises was the build-back better bill, a plan that promised to make everything in America better. That's why the better was in the name. Yeah, it was going to rebuild the roads, fix the climate, reduce inequality, and it was even going to give you another shot with your high school crush. Yeah?

Like, this time I won't eat prunes before assembly. Now, all of that depended on getting every Democrats' vote in the Senate. But there was always one senator who refused to play ball. Joe Manchin, West Virginia a senator and man who definitely has a photo on the fridge of him holding a fish. No matter what the Democrats offered him, Joe Manchin was blocking all attempts, like an appellation with Tombo. No, no, y'all. And so it seemed that Joe Biden's agenda,

very much like Joe Biden himself, was basically dead. But then last night, this happened. New tonight, Democratic Senator Joe Manchin and Chuck Schumer announcing a deal on a bill that was all but dead. You almost never see this in Washington. You never see Washington surprised like it is this morning. Democratic Senator Joe Manchin announced he has struck a deal with Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer. This is a major piece of legislation that they say would pay down the national debt, cut health care costs, fight climate change and battle inflation.

It is the product of secret negotiations over a package that thick national debt, cut health care costs, fight climate change, and battle inflation. It is the product of secret negotiations over a package that until yesterday appeared to be dead. Two weeks after walking away from a climate deal, West Virginia Democrat Joe Manchin embraced one last night, with a compromise, dubbed the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022. I can't believe it. Joe Manchin agreed to vote for a bill? Which means Democrats might actually get something done.

Oh, oh, oh, come a... Am I dreaming? And if so, what a boring dream? And also what a week for Joe Biden, huh? First he defeated COVID, then he defeated low expectations. Look at you, Joe! Look at you! But yeah, in a surprise announcement, Joe Manchin released a statement saying that he is on board with Build Back Better,

except he's calling it the inflation reduction act. Yeah. And I'll be honest, I don't think anyone cares what it's called as long as it's a good bill. You know, he can call it the everyone except Joe Manchon's got a small dick act and I don't care. I'll just be like, well, at least my dick's going to see a better climate. But I think this has taught tot tot tot tot tot tot tot tot thored thored thored thought thought thought thought thought thought tho on tho on tho on that thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is the the thi is thi's thi's the the they's that's their is is is their is their is their is their is their is their is their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. thi. thi. thi.taught us all an important lesson. Everyone was so mad at Joe Manchon, calling him names, letting their anger take over,

writing him off as a villain. And it worked. Nice job, everyone. Nice work. Yeah? Now, just to be clear, just to be clear, this bill isn't everything that Joe Biden once wanted, but it's still a pretty big deal, right? It lowers prescription drug prices.

It forces big corporations to pay the taxes that they owe. But maybe, but maybe the most important part of the bill is what it does to fight climate change. This would be the largest U.S. climate change legislation ever. The centerpiece, about $370 billion worth of clean energy tax incentives and grants, including $7,500 tax credits for many Americans who buy electric carbs. It's going to try to reduce carbon emissions by 40 percent by 2030. This was something that many Senate Democrats simply did not think would be included in any sort of legislation they could get through. But it's not all green energy.

In a win for Joe Manchin, the bill also opens millions of acres of public land for new oil and gas production. Yeah, that's right. Tons of money to fight climate change, but also some fossil fuel stuff too. You know, just to keep Mother Nature on her toes. But overall, this is a huge investment in alternative forms of energy. Wind, solar, and they're even going to be researching new forms of energy. Nobody knows what it could be.

Yeah, in 10 years, we could be charging our phones with the power of dance. Yeah, yeah, ah, ah, that's right, yeah, yeah, seven percent, keep going, okay, yeah, yeah, I got this, I got this, eh, ten percent, eh, I, ah, I, you want to charge all our devices. I'm just thinking, you know what's funny is, is that if that does happen, some white people are going to be uncharging their phones? This is what's happening? Wait, why am I losing power? What's going on here? What's-what's going on? What's happening here? What's happening?

But hey, this is a huge win for the Democrats. And now, obviously, obviously, please, remember, this is the Democratic Party, so there is still plenty of ways for this thing to fall apart. Yeah, House Democrats could come out against it. the Democrats could come out against it. the thaughan ccououououououcusts, thoes, thoes, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. But, th come out tomorrow and oppose the bill just out of habit. But, if it does get through, this could be the legislative victory that the Democrats need to ride into the midterms and only lose the House by 200 seats. I believe in you, Democrats! All right, stay tuned because when we come back, Leyla Motley will be joining me on the show. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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skyscraper and dare to confront a formidable empire. The art of fairness on cautionary tales. Listen on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome back to the show. My guest tonight is Poet and New York Times best-selling author Layla Motley. She's here to talk about her debut novel Nightcrawling. Please welcome Layla Martley. Laila Matlopli, welcome to the Daily Show. Thanks for having me. You cannot thank me when you are, by most people's accounts, the biggest rock star in the world of books right now. I mean, you're 20 years old, but then I read the book and I was like, this is not possible.

It's one of the most amazing books I've ever read. And then I realized that Oprah also thinks the same thing and you were on her book club at 19, youngest book club for Oprah ever. Like how are you doing this? New York Times best-selling author, Oprah Winthropic Club, author to watch, other... Let's start with that before we get into the book. I need to understand how did you write a book like this? Because you started at 17. Yeah, 16. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,achiever, what can I say? I love it, I love it. But you really have a beautiful command of not just the words but the storytelling in the book.

What made you think, even begin to think, that you know what, I can write this book in a way that everyone will connect with. I mean, I think really it started with wanting to tell a story of teenage black girls and give it the validity and respect. I think our culture doesn't often give teenage black girls. I wanted Kiara's internal world to be this rich, nuanced place and to have the complexity that I think a lot of people don't expect out of young people. You did that a thousand times over and just to give perspective, yeah, just to give perspective to those who don't know the plot. You know, the book is about the main character Kiara and and you write a story that is inspired by one of the most harrowing stories that America saw and it involved a young girl in

Oakland who was victimized by the police department and just tell us a little bit bit more about that, and then how you thought of turning this into a novel that could tell a story for everyone. I mean, I'm always surprised to hear how few people know about this case, but in 2016 in the Bay Area case broke where a young girl was sexually exploited by many different Bay Area police officers. And I was a young teenager at the th thatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatat ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti, ti, ti, I ti, I ti, I th, I thi, I thi, I thi, I was, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, t t t t t t t t t t tm, tm, tm, te.....a, tm. te. te.a, I'm te, I'm te, I'm, teager at the time. I'm born and raised in Oakland. And I remember being really struck by the way the media talked about this case. And the disproportionate focus on how this case

might impact the relationship between the police department and the community might damage the trust as though it was ever there in the first place. And I think, I was wondering, what in the first place and I think I was wondering what about this girl you know what about the impact for her and the systemic harm to young girls particularly girls of color and and this particular iteration of police violence that I think a lot of us don't often talk about. Especially when it comes to sex work you know I learned things in this book that I don't think I actually knew. I don't think I concretely knew. They seem obvious but I didn't know. And some of them are

more harrowing than others. You know, you look at the history of sex work in America and then you look at the exploitation of sex workers and non-sex workers alike and how often black women experience the worst atrocities at the hands of law enforcement, which is a strange world, you know, to find yourself in. The book seems like it's only going to be painful, and it really is, you know, in parts you cry and then you go on this journey. But it also seems like it's about hope, it seems like it's about resilience.

Is that something you worked to achieve? I mean, absolutely. I think we dehumanize black characters if we don't see them in a, entirety, which means we have to see them in moments of joy, and moments of grief, and moments of mundane things like making pancakes or taking a nap. Like we have to be able to see that in order to see someone as human and invest in them and their world, really. You see that and you feel that, you know, it's, it's the main the the main the main the main the main the main the main the main the main the main the main the main the main the main, the main, the main, the main character, Kiar, and I don't want to spoil this, because I think everyone should just read the book. We see her in a position where the world is not taking care of her, and yet she's able to take care of somebody else.

And as we read through her journey, what I appreciate it is how you so aptly encapsulate the experience of many black women, not just in America but around the world, you know, where they are expected to be the protectors, the providers, and the nurturers, and yet nobody seems to be doing that for them. Yeah, there's this long history of black women and black girls being put into the role of caretaker and being kind of asked and forced into taking care of everyone around them, which implicitly makes it so that black women can't take care of ourselves. We don't kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind, their. And, their, their, their, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and their, and their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th. And, th. And, thi, and, and, and, and, thi, thi, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi.i. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. And, thi. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, that black women can't take care of ourselves. We don't think about ourselves first. And I really wanted in this book to show how black girls are vulnerable and allow us our fragility, allow us to be soft, allow us to be whole and complete people. It's a beautiful story.

Yeah, definitely. It's... It's... I think it's a beautiful story not just because of how you've written it, which is truly amazing and because of the story it tells, but because it makes the character a human being. It is a bad time and a bad thing that is happening to a human who has so many more layers to them. You've written this book, everybody loves it, I mean you're a poet as well, it feels like you're at the beginning of life and yet you've conquered everything. What do you hope to achieve in your storytelling going forward?

I mean, I think I always want to tell stories of black girlhood and what it means to have our narrative sideline and I want to thoehe common idea of what this country is and who we are to each other. You've already done that? You're going to do it even more? Thank you so much for joining on the show. You're an absolute pleasure. Congratulations. Like Corey, one of the most fascinating ride you will ever take. We're going to take a quick break.

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