The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Jon Stewart on Dems' Accusations of Fascism, China's New A.I. | Royal Ramey

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

Jon Stewart discusses China's new A.I. tool "DeepSeek," and urges Democrats to convince voters of THEIR plan rather than react to Trump's "fascist" first week of executive orders. Chief Royal Ramey, a... formerly incarcerated firefighter, and CEO and co-founder of the Forestry and Fire Recruitment Program, joins to discuss his program. They talk the hands-on training he received while incarcerated, why the work appeals to those currently serving time, and how helping a community and experiencing the “prison-to-public servant pipeline” changed his life.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to Comedy Central. From the most trusted journalists at Comedy Central, it's America's only source for news. This is The Daily Show with your host, Sean Stewart. Hey everybody! Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Daily Show. My name is Jon Stewart. We've got a show for you tonight. Our guest tonight, a formerly incarcerated firefighter, Royal Remy, is going to be here to discuss his journey from prison firefighter to organizer.
Starting point is 00:01:01 But first, I just want to very clearly state to you guys something. I found last week... ...exhausting. The return to 1600 Trumplevania Avenue was as disorienting and chaotic as I imagined. But then we had a weekend. Serenity now. And we can finally catch our breath and begin to move forward with intentionality. Namaste. Chaos on Wall Street.
Starting point is 00:01:48 We are in the middle of a market sell-off. Tech stocks sent the markets into a tailspin today. Tech stocks have just taken a battery. Will there never be peace? No! What has happened to Lübda? What the f*** me? I was promised a new era of American prosperity and greatness. What happened?
Starting point is 00:02:18 A powerful new Chinese AI tool called DeepSeek is threatening the US dominance of this emerging technology. DeepSeek is on the US dominance of this emerging technology. DeepSeek is on par with what OpenAI and Google have made even though those companies are sinking billions of dollars, tons of years, and lots of development into this space. DeepSeek did it for cheaper in a matter of months. Hey! Who would have expected the Chinese to do it cheaper? I can't believe it. It's as though when you don't have labor laws or rights. And by the way, deep seek, deep seek.
Starting point is 00:03:01 We're getting our asses kicked by Deepseek? Who names an AI company after the thing it actually does? Where are your random letters? Where's your GPT? Your grock? Deepseek sounds like what you might use it for. China's even beating us at naming shit. By the way, I do know this is bad news financially.
Starting point is 00:03:34 But is anyone else somewhat excited that AI had its job replaced by AI? That's something. But listen, man, this is a minor setback. We will bounce back. Russia had Sputnik, and it spurred us on to land on the moon. I'm sure it's not going to be that bad. Has Chinese AI put American AI out of a job? I mean, who knows? I'll find out.
Starting point is 00:04:07 Siri, how bad is it? John, check out my only fans. No! Send me a link. But enough about the apparently tenuous underpinning of everything we've banked our entire future economy on. What's the news freaking out about closer to home? Friday night massacre.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Late Friday night purge. A chilling purge. The purge, a chilling purge. The purge. Ah! Trump has ushered in the purge! I for one will take full advantage by doing some unpermitted lawn work. I for one will take full advantage by doing some unpermitted lawn work. Your God is powerless. Although just in case I'm misinterpreting, what is this purge about exactly? Breaking news, the mass firing of government agency watchdogs. Trump fired at least 17 inspectors general.
Starting point is 00:05:23 No! He got rid of 17 inspectors general. No! He got rid of 17 inspectors general. That only leaves no one knows how many left. I have no idea. Oh, I'm sorry. did I break the illusion? You don't, you know, here's the nice thing, you don't know if that's the axe or my desk. Which one is fake? I'll never tell. The point is, we have 17 less inspectors general.
Starting point is 00:06:17 Who knows how many generals will now go uninspected. Democrats inspire my anger in the least charismatic way possible. Donald Trump's decision to fire 12 of the federal government's independent watchdogs is a glaring sign that it's a golden age for abuse in government and even corruption. He started again, right? He said it twice?
Starting point is 00:07:04 Like, no recognition, just f***ing start it again. Is that what happened? Normally humans in that scenario would go, oh god, I'm sorry, where was I? Let me take that from the top and maybe this time I'll look up. Can you legally just restart without acknowledgement? Is Schumer AI, is he deep-seek? But regardless of how slowly NPC Chuck Schumer laid it out, what Trump did violated the law. He can't just fire these people.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Title 5, section 403 of the US Code, federal law, an inspector general may be removed by the president. What? So what's the purge? What's the ma— Why do I have an axe? There is a specific law that requires notice, 30 days, and a statement of reasons. Substantive and detailed rationale.
Starting point is 00:08:10 What? I'm sorry, what? Oh, apparently you can fire them, but you have to give them 30 days notice. Oh, so that's what we're upset about? No! You can do it, but not in that font! That's Hitler's font! But this is the cycle we find ourselves in. First law of Trumpodynamics. Every action is met with a very not equal overreaction. Thus throwing off our ability to know when shit
Starting point is 00:08:43 is actually getting real Like last week's pardons these pardons are sick. They are offensive. They are un-american This is one of the most egregious Despicable acts in American history. This is textbook authoritarian takeover 101 I knew I should have taken that class And not majored in submissive liberal crying 101. Do what you will, Trumpieski. Was it shitty? Yes.
Starting point is 00:09:22 Should you have let some of those terrible people? No. Is it an abuse of pardon power? I don't f**king know. Was it shitty? Yes. Should you have let some of those terrible people? No! Is it an abuse of pardon power? I don't f***ing know. But that is his constitutional power. Again, for some reason, we have given presidents the power of a king. And then we say,
Starting point is 00:09:38 oh, by the way, with that power, you're not going to get all, like, kingly and shit on us, right? To put that in constitutional terms, if I could, don't hate the player. Hate the founding fathers. No, that's not... Why do we even have it?
Starting point is 00:09:58 Because I don't know if you've met Donald Trump. He pushes shit. President Trump deploying executive action to end birthright citizenship. This unconstitutional, un-American attack shredding our constitution. He wants to be a strong man authoritarian. Birthright citizenship was very specifically tailored to send a message to people that America was a place, an idea. It wasn't for one race.
Starting point is 00:10:23 It wasn't for one gender. Citizenship in America was based on where you were, not who you were. And to just stroke of a pen, finally I agree. That is authoritarian. We do begin tonight with the federal judge blocking President Trump's executive order that would end birthright citizenship.
Starting point is 00:10:42 And we're back. See how easy that was? It was a dictatorship and then the judge went... It's like when you have an electric fence. You never check it and you're not really sure if it works. Because you have a good boy. You have a very good boy. But then one day, zap. By the way, I fundamentally disagree with the use of electric fences. It is true. I prefer to discipline my dogs with a series of passive-aggressive comments about their weight.
Starting point is 00:11:25 Really tearing through the bowl tonight, huh? Take a breath, tubs. It's called kibble, not gobble. By the way, my dog's name is Tubbs. Anyway, Birthright Citizenship is back! No, obviously we'll appeal it. Damn you, constitutionally enshrined judicial review of executive action and its relief through the appellate process? Look, we are facing a deluge of these executive actions, and certainly we must be prepared
Starting point is 00:12:17 for those most vulnerable to the consequences of these actions. But the, this is all fascist argument has become almost a reflex for the left. Donald Trump promised to be a dictator on day one and he's carried that forward through the entire week 5 days into this administration. The abuse is already rampant throughout the rest of the week shredding the Constitution as he went on a fascism scale of one to ten, with ten being peak fascism,
Starting point is 00:12:47 how would you rate Trump's first week? A scale of Mussolini to the Holocaust. You know, I would say it's not fascism. Do I not understand what fascism is? And also, if I may, and this may be petty, why are we asking someone who at the end of January still has his f***ing Christmas tree up? Why are we asking him anything? You know who used to leave their Christmas tree up all the time? Hitler.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Somebody in the audience literally jumped my Hitler joke. You know who used to do that by the way? Pol Pot. Now look, I have a lot of fear that as this term goes on, things are going to get a little fascisty. And we must be vigilant. But part of vigilance is discernment. Republicans control the House, the Senate, the executive, and the judiciary.
Starting point is 00:14:17 And just about every move that has been made till this point, we have granted them electorally. It's our fucking fault. And the constant drumbeat of encroaching fascism will erode the credibility we will need if, hopefully if, and not when, it hits. But the truth is that for now, his most objectionable actions have taken place almost entirely within our designed democratic system. Like the confirmation process.
Starting point is 00:14:57 Despite claims of meritocracy, Trump has put forth some of the least LinkedIn people you could imagine. I don't know what responsible hiring process some of the least. LinkedIn people you could imagine. I don't know what responsible hiring process you can create that looks at this. I'm going to get another refill hold on to good. You know, a little bit.
Starting point is 00:15:18 It's already in there anyway what we care. Don't get. A 2 years. Here goes, sir, sir. Dunkin' Dad on New Year's Eve. Oh! Who's that guy? I want him leading defense. And how did this individual, who has never so much as successfully managed a Waffle House pop-up,
Starting point is 00:15:41 going to run the 3 million people Department of Defense But he wasn't foisted upon us by a dictator. There was no Authoritarian end run no royal edicts this shit happened to us as designed Advise but mostly consent Passed through the Armed Services Committee put through a a Senate vote. Three Republicans, of course, made a show of, hey, this is most outrage I cannot in good conscience. Because they knew they could lose three.
Starting point is 00:16:14 It was a f***ing performance. And JD Vance broke the tie democratically. Trump's using the almost absolute power we have constitutionally granted him and the Republicans. Because this is Trump's theory in governance. He's already laid it out to not President Bush in 2005, back when he was still accessing Hollywood. And when you're a star, they let you do it.
Starting point is 00:16:38 You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. That's his governing philosophy. For all of it. Appointing people, firing people, writing executive orders, taking Greenland, making Wikipedia-like edits to the literal globe. But unfortunately, as of now, he's pretty much just democratically grabbing our pussy. Yeah, yeah, we said yeah. He has the consent of the people. For God's sakes,
Starting point is 00:17:09 his deportation orders are so popular, they have collabs. TV personality Dr. Phil tagged along on a Chicago raid. You've never been deported before? Dr. Phil. Yeah? How do you know me? I seen Dr. Phil on TV. Yeah? How do you know me? No, I seen Dr. Phil, you know, on TV. Yeah?
Starting point is 00:17:28 Yeah. How do you know me? You've been in one thing. How do you know I'm Dr. Phil? Because you're on the Dr. Phil show. You're Dr. Phil. How do you know me? Oh, weren't you in Goodfellas?
Starting point is 00:17:54 No, you're f***ing Dr. Phil. I'd know that little egghead anywhere. Little bald mustache southern drawl. What you doing? How you doing? How you know me? That picture. I guess Dr. Phil finally...
Starting point is 00:18:15 cashed someone outside. How about that? No, no, no, no, no, no, let me finish. We're almost done. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, on American shores. The president said he thought more than a million Palestinians in Gaza could be moved to nearby Arab countries. What the f***? He's so emboldened, he wants to start deporting people from other people's countries. You know, Dr. Phil will be down in Gaza. How you know me?
Starting point is 00:19:25 How you know me, sir? Habibi, I don't have a television. I don't know you. I don't know Habibi. Look, I really hope the Democrats figure out a way to contain this guy. The question is probably not, how dare he though? The question should be, what are you learning from this? How would you use this power?
Starting point is 00:19:55 What's your contract with America? Democrats exist outside of him. Tell people what you would do with the power that Trump is wielding. And then convince us to give that power to you. As soon as possible. That's the goal. It's enough with the, he's a Hitler, he's a thing. Stop doing it. That's terrible. What would you fucking do? And if not, you know what? If you don't have any of the answers, maybe AI has a solution for you. Hey, Siri, what can Democrats do to stop Trump? It's too late! When we come back, Royal Remy will be here.
Starting point is 00:21:04 We'll be right back. Hey, welcome back to The Daily Show. My guest tonight, I'm going to like this, a formerly incarcerated firefighter who is now the CEO and co-founder of the Forestry and Fire Recruitment Program, also the subject of the forthcoming documentary, Fire Break. Since World War II, there's been a growing reliance for imprisoned people to do some of the front work of firefighting. We were both formerly incarcerated in fire camp. We got out, we were dedicated to become firefighters. I fell in love with it, but I'd have a blueprint. I was just lost.
Starting point is 00:22:02 Please welcome to the program, Royal Remy. Sorry. You gotta let it go, John. You gotta let it go. Let it go. You know, a lot of times we get economists on the show and we get people who are like, You better let it go, John. You better let it go. Let it go. You know, very, a lot of times we get economists on the show, judges. Very rarely do they go,
Starting point is 00:22:32 Come on, people! It's so nice to see you and so nice to meet you. When I heard the story, not even just your story, but just the general story of incarcerated firefighters that were, I was very surprised. And I'll run the thoughts that were going through my head and I'll have you speak to them. One was, oh my God, the bravery that these folks
Starting point is 00:23:00 who don't have their own liberty are showing on our behalf is astonishing. Right? Right. Good to be up here. folks who don't have their own liberty are showing on our behalf is astonishing. Number two I bet they're paying them shit. And is this indentured servitude and is this being coerced. And then number three was if I wanted to escape from prison I
Starting point is 00:23:20 would light a fire. How do they keep them from not running away in the fire and then everybody being like we're slim Pete and then they're like. Well, the story of a man you you're in this program. What is this why did you get into it. What what made you get into the firefighting program from prison. So honestly on the run the time that I went to prison. It was
Starting point is 00:23:51 overcrowding in California so I end up getting transferred to Arizona and in Mississippi. And I was in prison for about 20 plus months close to 2 years and in Mississippi like so went to Arizona first. So it was like that time of being out of state. It was an opportunity for me to go back to California, see my family, because I didn't see him for that amount of time.
Starting point is 00:24:15 Oh, wow. And obviously, I heard the rumors around, like, it's better food. You have a dormitory setting when you're out there. It's not like you behind us in the cell And you're not are you you can be able to get the most money that that you can earn in prison Which is a dollar an hour on fires, right? Which is a dollar an hour on fires is the most money like yeah
Starting point is 00:24:41 So you make about around twenty six dollars a day when you out there a fire. So that's the most money you can make in prison. Okay, so here's where it's going to get here. Here's where it gets ugly for liberals, right? Because the liberal reaction is how to exploit the incarcerated. But in prison, it's so bad that this is great. Is that it? Yeah, it is the best. It's one of the best programs that California Department of Correction and Relabilitation has, actually. Especially when it comes down to when you, you know, you most people when they come home, they come home with $200 of gate money, right? Right. And then have an opportunity to go to a fire camp,
Starting point is 00:25:27 you know, get a family-winning career in the fire sector, right? That's, like, monumental. A lot of folks don't... You can't even fathom of, like, never having a job like that, like, having a career, you know, just having that felony, you know, in your record, right? To being able to possibly have a six-figure career, you know, just having that felony in your record, right? Right. To being able to possibly have a six-figure career benefits retirement
Starting point is 00:25:49 and be able to take care of your family for a long time. So, I mean, in some ways, it's a new model of rehabilitation. I was reading that the recidivism rate generally is pretty high 50% sometimes 60%. The recidivism rate on those who have been inducted into this program is less than 10%. Is that correct? I know that from my program. Right. But that's amazing.
Starting point is 00:26:15 Yeah, it is. It is. It changed my life, honestly, John. It gave me an opportunity to know what a team kind of feel like. And when you're out there fighting fires and you have to rely on the next person, it does take a lot. It takes a lot of courage and being able to come together when the fire's raging, and you're out there on the line, and you're putting your life on the line.
Starting point is 00:26:41 It does give you a sense of teamwork and partnership with folks that you probably never have had a communication with in a positive light when you're out there in the streets because you gotta think about it. It's folks that's been in gangs, right? Right. Had some trauma in their life and it's a lot of segregation within California prisons.
Starting point is 00:27:03 There's a lot of politics in it. Right. So race is a big thing and when you're in fire camps, you have different- There's a lot of segregation within California prisons. There's a lot of politics in it. So race is a big thing. And when you're in fire camps, you have different- In prisons, it's very segregated to a white gang, Hispanic gang, a black gang. Absolutely. And firefighting, none of that.
Starting point is 00:27:16 No, you have to put that all to the side and you accrue. So you have a mixture of folks. It's amazing. Did you not- You know, So you have a mixture of folks. It's amazing. Did you...
Starting point is 00:27:25 You know... Did you not believe that you could do it? Is the idea that people in that environment have been so lack the network and confidence and competence that goes along with things, that this is a revelation for themselves, that I'm, oh, I'm worthy. I'm actually worthy. That's the deal.
Starting point is 00:27:54 Yeah, absolutely. I think, so when you out there on those big, you know, fire campaigns, you know, you see signs that says thank you firefighters, and then when you actually, you know, you see signs that says, thank you, firefighters, and then when you actually, you know, doing the work, the same thing that you would see a hot shot crew do or a type two crew that would do, like, you're doing pretty much the same work. So, you know, you do feel that sense of pride and purpose, and it gives you a way to be able to utilize
Starting point is 00:28:22 the knowledge, skills, and abilities that you learned in fire camp to transition into the fire service professionally. And that's what the forestry and fire, you know, recruitment do. Like we provide. So your organization tries to take that training because you're not, if you go through the prison program, are you certified to fight fires at that point in California? No, you still got some more certifications that you would need in order for you to be able to be a professional firefighter. Even though they've already put you in fires, you're already doing the job.
Starting point is 00:28:53 But they're saying to you, yes, you can fight the fires, but you're not qualified to fight the fires. Yeah, it's some things to that, definitely, right. But you know, it's definitely things to that. definitely, right? But, you know, it's definitely things to that. And that's what I love. Diplomatic you're being. Right, right, a little bit, yeah. Yeah, yeah, so, you know, just being transparent and real
Starting point is 00:29:14 is definitely like, it's a gatekeeping thing, I think. And a lot of folks don't understand the actual process, right? Like, you have to have the certifications to be able to apply to these positions. You have to understand, you know, what to put on a resume, how to apply to the job,
Starting point is 00:29:30 like making sure that you read everything, right? And then- But they train you. Yes. Okay. So you get the training. They don't just get prisoners and go. Like, come on, let's go.
Starting point is 00:29:38 All right. Yeah, they get you minimum training, they do. But the sort of- Is there anybody in there like, for arson? They're like, they're on there and you're like, hey, Phil, what would you do in this situation? Right, no, no. You're not allowed to, I would think of you.
Starting point is 00:29:53 No, you can't have arson and you can't have like a sick. You can't. Hey, it could be the dumbest question I've ever asked. No, no, in the sex crime, that's one of the two major things. I think they're trying to revisit some things around certain violent crimes. But they're trying to evaluate.
Starting point is 00:30:10 And one of my best friend and mentor, Ralph Diaz, he would kill me. And Fred Money would kill me. Oh, don't worry. He won't see this. Right? They would tell me that I was rugged. But no, it's definitely, they have some requirements
Starting point is 00:30:26 for you to be able to be in. For the prisoners, how do they view that bargain? That bargain of, look, they are, the state exploits prison labor. I mean, I think that's just straight down the line. Common fact. Common fact. Yeah, that's a common fact. And the penalties on felony makes it almost impossible for people to reintegrate into
Starting point is 00:30:49 like our prison system as you are have experienced. Right, right, right. Is and obviously like I'm not a sociologist or thing but I think the word is f***. I love you, man. I love you, John. I love you. But it is true. Right, man. I love you, John. I love you. But it is true. So how do they...
Starting point is 00:31:08 How do they console each other in that? How do you guys talk to each other about what this opportunity means and what the system is doing to you guys while that's all happening? You ready for the real deal, Holyville? Be honest with you, I don't know what the f*** I was getting myself into. Really? They say fire camp, I'm a kid from
Starting point is 00:31:30 the inner city, like fire camp, fire okay around a camp like you thought you had gotten into a program right yeah I don't know like you were gonna make s'mores right right I don't know like honestly like it wasn't like oh you're gonna be going to be on the front lines, you're going to be fighting fire. You're going to carry this pack. You're going to be having this tool. And that's dangerous. Right.
Starting point is 00:31:52 You're going to be working 24 hour shifts. You're going to be doing, you know, like I'm like, what? That's why. Fighting fire. Like, and when I first got to camp and it was like, here, you know, gave my equipment and we start hiking. I'm like, it was like, yeah, here's these boots. And I'm like, I'm used to wearing Nikes, right?
Starting point is 00:32:08 Like, boots, like, okay, did I get the boots? Okay, you need to give me a pack and a tool. We hiking, I'm like, man, I got, you know, okay, I need a pack. I'm like, whoa, like, this is intense. But I end up talking to one of my captains, and he was like, Remy, you're one of the youngest dudes on the crew, and you're the slowest dude on the crew.
Starting point is 00:32:30 And I'm like, you know, just being from the inner city, you know, in so many words, he was like, you're calling me a sissy, isn't it? Right. You know something. I got to tell you, in that story, when you were going there, I really thought you were going to be like, he pulled me aside, and he said, I like you, son. You've gonna stop. You're gonna stop. I got to tell you, in that story, when you were going there, I really thought you were gonna be like, he pulled me aside and he said,
Starting point is 00:32:45 I like you, son. You've really got something. I can't believe he pulled you aside and he's just like, what the f***, man? Get off here. How long did it take you to acclimate to this and how long was the training? So, to answer the second question first, so the training was about a couple of weeks,
Starting point is 00:33:07 just like physical training that you get. And then you go into like a classroom setting where you get the S-190. I know a couple of people are going to kill me for this, but it's the entry level position or entry certification for wildland fire behavior. And then from there, you kind of like get a pack and you got to make sure you hike within a certain amount of time. And then once you complete that, then you're eligible to go to a fire camp.
Starting point is 00:33:30 That was when I was there in 2012. So you guys are wildland certified firefighters. And very different from like what LA County urban fire, residential fire. So your role in this is more in those areas where maybe the shelter is, from like what LA County urban fire, residential fire. So your role in this is more in those areas where maybe the Chaparral is or where the wilderness stuff is. Is that generally where the incarcerated guys?
Starting point is 00:33:55 Yes, yeah, so it's a couple of things. So you've got, so the main objective is to, they pretty much train and deploy folks that's incarcerated to fight wildland fires. And then when you're not fighting fires you out there doing fire prevention work or projects within the community. So that's one of the pluses too is like you're not in actually in the cell you actually in the community doing different work or whatever it could be a project you know could be
Starting point is 00:34:19 laying you know cement somewhere. Right right. You could be you know doing cutting brush or you can do weed abatement. And these are necessary jobs that they do have trouble finding candidates for and and people for. You know it's been so interesting and I wonder how you sort of process this in your head but this idea of like DEI like oh the Los Angeles fire only happened because it's she's a lesbian. Like you're on the other side of that where you're like we want to get into Los Angeles fire only happened because it's she's a lesbian. Like. You're on the other side of that where you're like we want to get into this business there are a lot of gatekeepers that
Starting point is 00:34:55 keep us out, but boy we're we're capable right right and how do you reckon that. So you just so I'm a doer right so when I first was in fire camp obviously it was a transition for me mentally emotionally you know spiritually, you know, spiritually. And, you know, I grew to love it, and I fell in love with it. And it was that one thing in my head. It was like, man, like, I want to do this.
Starting point is 00:35:15 I want to do this in my career. I want to make this happen, right? And me and my co-founder, Brandon Smith, he, you know, we was talking one day, and it was like, look, man, you know, you want to be able to do it, I want to do it. Let's figure this out, you know, and be like one day and was like look man, you know, you you want to be able to do it I want to do it. Let's figure this out, you know and be like the modern day Harriet Tubman's Fire service, right?
Starting point is 00:35:38 Generally those jobs are you know connections play a large part in them and it's relatively homogenous in in those areas. And it was going to be tough to break through. Yeah, yeah, and just the cultural thing, too, and understanding that, you know, you're going to have to do... You got to put in the work. You got to make sure that you understand the culture, understand how to be a professional, because you got a lot of folks that consider people that's been incarcerated, that's zeros, right?
Starting point is 00:36:03 And then when you look at them as a hero, it's like a public nuisance and a public servant. Like, that kind of, like, doesn't mix. You know, prison and public service don't mix. And you have to change that narrative with people because once, because I remember when I was actually, I went to my first pretty much, like, month in my job with Cal Fire, and one of my captains was like,
Starting point is 00:36:25 hey, we went on this fire. I was cutting with the saw and stuff. He was like, man, you did a pretty good job with that. Like, where did you learn that from? Like usually, and usually folks like myself learn that in camp, right? And I was like, you know, I kind of shied away from it. Yeah, I worked for the Forest Service first.
Starting point is 00:36:42 So it was like, you know, I kind of had that kind of spiel, but I wanted to make sure that they looked at me as a human being first and not just based off of what, you know, my previous experiences were when I was in prison. Right. It's incredibly impressive. And maybe what's the most impressive thing about it
Starting point is 00:37:02 is that you took that knowledge and you took that experience and you have created this organization to make sure that you keep the ladder down for people. The fire ladder to help other people up. And I love that prison-to-public-service road because so often in this country, it's public service to prison. That's a political thing.
Starting point is 00:37:26 It goes the other way. It's so, so good to meet you. For more information about the four-step art of treatment, check out the link below. Chief Royal Lady! Quick break, and we'll be right back. Come on. You guys, get up.
Starting point is 00:37:40 Get up. Get up. Get up. Get up. Get up. Get up. Get up that's our show for tonight. But as always, before we go, we're going to check in with your host for the rest of the week, Michael Kosta. Michael, what do you got for us for the rest of the week? Michael Kosta. Michael, what do you got for us for the rest of the week? Michael Kosta. John, we'll be going through all the secret files
Starting point is 00:38:07 on JFK, MLK, and RFK. Trump declassified them last week, and we're already learning some really shocking stuff. For example, John, did you know that RFK is RFK Junior's dad? Yeah. I did know that. OK, I thought that was news, but check this out. Did you know that JFK and RFK were brothers? Both of their last names were Kennedy, but John, the K in MLK is not for Kennedy.
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