The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Jon Stewart on Trump's Botched Tariff Rollout & Market Meltdown | Rahm Emanuel
Episode Date: April 8, 2025Jon Stewart on the fallout from Trump's tariffs, a stock market in a near-recession free fall, and the GOP's spin of the economic turmoil as "no biggie." Rahm Emanuel, former ambassador to Japan under... Biden and a current advisor at investment-banking firm Centerview Partners, joins Jon Stewart to talk about the United States’ international trade predicament in the wake of Trump’s tariffs. They discuss why it’s one of the most “reckless” things done by a president, why he thinks these policies gave China a “get-out-of-jail-free” card, his experience under the Obama administration, and why he believes a Democratic governor could be the one to turn the party around.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.
At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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We got something.
Can I tell you something?
And I mean this sincerely. No, stop, stop, stop, stop. We got some. That's all. That's all.
Can I tell you something?
And I mean this sincerely.
Ever since we started spraying the audience with cocaine before the show.
Welcome to The Daily Show.
My name is John Stewart.
Great show for tonight.
Rahm Emanuel will be joining me later to remind me.
He'll be out here.
Reminding me just which one of the three brothers he is again.
I don't know.
See the one that owns UFC?
It doesn't matter at this point.
But that is later.
First, as you know, our economy...
Our economy... Laughter
Our economy is in the midst of a beautiful metamorphosis.
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Turning from a simple caterpillar
into a dead caterpillar.
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So let's get into it with another exciting installment of Trade Wars.
My favorite word.
My favorite word.
Tariffs.
Tariffs!
Now you might remember when Donald Trump was reelected, Wall Street was thrilled, excited
about deregulation, tax cuts, and the fact that you could once again call people sugar
tits.
One top banker told the paper that he feels liberated because now he can use offensive
slurs like the R word and the P word, without fear of getting
cancelled at work.
Hmm.
The R word and the P word?
Well I can tell you today that that top banker is definitely using both of those words.
Perhaps even adding a mother f***er right now.
The market meltdown for the third straight day.
Global markets are sinking.
Markets across Asia, Europe and Australia plunging.
One point this morning, the Dow sinking almost 1600 points.
The markets lost more than six and a half trillion dollars in value.
This is an economic Armageddon.
Who wears a Hawaiian shirt to an economic Armageddon?
What are we doing here?
shirt to an economic armadillo? What are we doing here?
Would they pull you in from the pool? Either financial channels rot, any danger failures?
I told my wife about the stock plunge. She said, oh I thought you guys would
never go down there.
would never go down there. No, no, no.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
Haven't done that one in a while.
This turmoil could have lasting effects on the global economy, on everyday Americans,
and most worryingly, the stock portfolios of members of Congress.
Mr. President, now is the time to soothe a
worried nation. Donald Trump put this out on social media, don't be weak, don't be
stupid, don't be a panikin, which he has termed a new party based on weak and
stupid people.
Panic Can? The genius who gave us classics like Sleepy Joe and Crooked Hillary just shit out, you're
a panic can?
How about hysteric rats?
Rapussicans?
How about cryontologists?
Did the overseas factory you had been sourcing your nicknames from
get shut down during the terror war?
So we're going to try this again, Mr. President.
Can you ease the fears of this nation like a true leader?
President Trump holding firm, posting on True Social,
only the weak will fail.
What are you doing?
Your economic policy has the same tagline as season three
of Squid Game?
That's supposed to make us feel better?
Only the weak shall die in my economy.
By the way, in case you didn't get the point
that he doesn't give a f**k, he spent the
weekend showing, not telling.
He played not a round of golf this weekend, a tournament of golf, a three-day tournament.
812 holes of golf with his live golf Saudi benefactors.
And in case you're wondering about the venerated journalists who are now allowed to be in the press poll.
This was literally the first question he was asked on Air
Force one in the middle of a financial meltdown. Did you hear I won? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I'm a good boy. Good boy good golf.
I know the stock market is not the totality of the economy, but if I remember correctly,
in the run up to the election, Trump seemed very concerned about the stock market.
If Harris wins this election, the result will be a Kamala economic crash, a 1929 style depression.
And anything she can do, I can do better.
I can do it on my own.
I won mom.
Hey mom, hey mom look.
Hey mom look, no economy.
Please love me. And it didn't have to happen like this.
Trump had so many options to shape the world economy
into the one he thought was fairer.
He could have proposed some incentives
to bring back manufacturing.
He could have gone sector to sector, nation to nation,
negotiate better trade reciprocal agreements.
But he had to go to full Theresa.
Who the f*** are you?
You're a bitch!
Who the f*** are you?
Who the f*** are you?
Who the f*** are you?
Who the f*** are you?
Now to be fair, to be fair, to be fair to the Trump administration, they did give it almost two months and no effort
before they asked chat GPT what it thought they should do.
But for those of us who've been tricked into believing that an economic crisis is a crisis,
Trump's people have an answer.
Don't panic.
Calm down.
Everything is going to be okay.
I would not worry at all.
The Dow is actually in the same place it was in August.
Do me a favor, don't look at your stock portfolio.
You know what?
I don't really care about my 401k.
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Leave, laugh, love, That's what I always say.
You know what I say, though?
It's 401K somewhere.
And when did the right become so chill?
Aren't you the Bud Lights turning my kids trans, folks?
But economic meltdown and you're getting all philosophical?
Losing money costs you nothing.
This is just the reality of life.
Like, were you young and dumb?
How much money did you lose?
Everyone loses money.
Everyone loses money.
It costs you nothing.
Except money. It costs you nothing. Except money.
Losing money...
costs you money.
That's the definition of losing money.
And I know you go, well, it's gonna be worth it
to get the character of the country that we want back again.
But we have no f***ing idea if that's actually what's going to be worth it to get the character of the country that we want back again. But we have no f**king idea if that's actually what's going to happen.
You're all acting like the tariff regime is a tried and true remedy.
Oh, of course, this is the medicine that's always prescribed, except the last time it
was tried 100 years ago, we had a great depression.
So how does this work?
It's just a big game of economic operation as he's sticking things in trying to take
out tariffs.
It's like, you know, when you're my age, you got to get a colonoscopy.
You need a full colonic like to be feel better.
You know what I mean?
Right place can kill somebody in the wrong dosages.
But in the right dosages, that can be very healthy for the patient. So everyone relax.
This is merely a routine rat poison colonoscopy.
By the way, what's the right dosage of rat poison?
Oh, if you get enough of it, hey, your headache will be gone.
And by the way, I mean, it's slightly off topic,
but the colonoscopy guy, his name is John Tobacco.
That's a witness protection thing, isn't it?
So here's how it's gonna go.
Your new name is John Tobacco.
Say it back to me.
John Tobacco.
Your name is John Tobacco.
Say it back to me.
John Tobacco.
Your new profession is you do anus metaphors on Newsmax.
Your name is John Tobacco.
You do anus metaphors.
Say it back to me. Say it back to me.
Say it back to me.
By the way, if Trump wants us to stay the course
with his radical plan, you might want
to think of a strategy that inspires our confidence
that you all know what you're doing.
Like, for instance, these tariffs.
Is this a negotiation?
The president made it clear yesterday this is not a negotiation.
Let me make this very clear.
This is not a negotiation.
This is not that.
This is a national emergency.
Okay, it's a national emergency.
It's not a negotiation.
Well, I don't agree, but at least I have some clarity now.
The tariffs give us great power to negotiate.
We always have.
Right.
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Right.
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Right.
Right.
So much rat poison.
So is this a negotiation? Too much rat poison.
So is this a negotiation or is this permanent?
It can both be true.
There can be permanent tariffs and there can also be negotiations. How much white lotus did you people watch?
What is permanence in this negotiated life we live?
Have a pina colada.
Forget about if they're permanent or not permanent.
What are we doing?
How will this bring jobs back?
What are these jobs?
Commerce Secretary Lutnick.
Trillions of dollars of factories
are gonna be built in America.
The army of millions and millions of human beings
screwing in little, little screws to make iPhones.
That kind of thing is gonna come to America. This is all so that millions of Americans can develop the dex derp. I can't even get the lint out of the charging area on my phone.
Now I gotta do the do the do the do the do the do the do the do the do the do the do
those are the jobs?
That kind of thing is going to come to America.
It's going to be automated and great Americans, the trade craft of America is going to fix them.
Mechanics fixing robotics, that's what's coming to America.
So it's not the screws, we're going to be robot mechanics.
The robots do the screwing and we're just there to make sure the robots are lubed... and ready to screw.
That is the American renaissance.
We are robot fluffers.
We are waiting.
This is all...
So if I'm an American manufacturer, how long do these onerous tariffs have to stay in place to convince me to build my army of automated screw and robot mechanics?
They are definitely going to stay in place for days and weeks.
John Stewart from Popular Robot Mechanics.
I've never built a fully automated robot factory before,
but is days and weeks enough time?
Or too much time?
Feels like it would take a month.
Well, I guess that's silver lining number one of this trade war.
Want something even more underwhelming?
Here's the Treasury Secretary on if we've heard the good news on the stock collapse.
One thing that I can tell you as the Treasury Secretary, what I've been very impressed with
is the market infrastructure that we had record volume on Friday and every everything is working very smoothly so the
American people they can be very take great comfort in that. Blink twice if you want to be saved. I was very impressed that in the market crash,
the building is still standing.
You know, I was very impressed by the way that the Titanic
just slid into the water.
Almost like it was taking a bath.
Just dipping a toe.
Those drownings should take great comfort. And then you're in the water. Just swoo. Almost like it was taking a bath. Just, mmm.
Just dipping a toe.
Those drownings should take great comfort
in the lack of back splash.
But their best argument so far for any of this
is the same one that we got about Tinkerbell.
Being able to fly.
You have to believe.
Don't panic, OK?
You've got a president who understands business.
I am grateful for a commander-in-chief that
has the business acumen.
Luckily, we have a businessman in the White House right now.
The president did write the book, The Art of the Deal.
Trump is a master negotiator, and he
does know the art of the deal.
We're supposed to trust this guy?
Because he wrote The Art of the Deal? That's it. You ever say, I got the book. I got the book, Art of the deal. We're supposed to trust this guy, because he wrote the art of the deal.
You ever see? I got the book!
I got the book, Art of the Deal!
Yeah, that's why we're supposed to trust him.
You ever look at Chapter 9 in Art of the Deal?
It's about how smart Trump is
about his casino in Atlantic City.
Oh, oh, yeah! Chapter 9!
I built a casino in Atlantic City.
I'm a business genius!
Whatever happened to the casino, Donald?
Trust me.
Trust me. Look, you make a big announcement, but your reciprocal terra formula was just the trade
deficit divided by imports equation.
And when you got busted on that, you threw out this ridiculous fucking calculus problem that's just shapes. It boils down to the trade deficit divided
by imports. Which is the formula that got the rich country of Lesotho hit with 50%
tariffs. Lesotho. Yo, your free rides over you denim-making fat cats. But we continue to blame everybody else in the world
that we designed and policed after World War II.
We're the richest country in the world, ever.
We're not the world's victims.
If we have inequalities in this country, that's on us. It's not a supply problem. It's
not unfair trade for the most part. It's an investment and distribution problem. It's
our fucking fault. And I'm not saying we can't make adjustments and renegotiate things,
but it didn't have to be this reckless. You killed the hostage and then went so ransom.
Some of the biggest stock market declines since the Great
Depression, the worst 3 consecutive sessions since
1987 even worse than it was during the 2008 financial
crisis, their worst day since June 2020 during the covid
pandemic.
Financial destruction not seen since the pandemic.
And this time, there's no controversy
over how it all started.
There's no wet market.
You, Trump, released the contagion.
It's your lab leak.
And it's right out in the open.
This is like if the researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology
walked out to the Great Lawn with a Tupperware and went,
We have an exciting announcement.
When we come back, Rob Emanuel will join us.
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And he was just staring at me.
And they had secrets of their own to share.
Um, Gilbert King, I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott.
I was no longer just telling the story.
I was part of it.
Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer.
He's just straight evil.
I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.
If the cops and everything would have done their job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I
would have never existed. I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how
I got here. At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.
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He has worked for three Democratic presidents,
served as U.S. ambassador to Japan under Joseph Biden.
Please welcome to the program Rahm Emanuel.
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You were back, you were in Japan.
Yes.
As the ambassador.
And it's still in LA.
Oh, but till a week ago.
I was going to say, check your phone.
Then you come back and you recently just took a new job.
What did you, what's your new job?
Well, I'm doing daily show writing.
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
What's your job?
Yeah, I'm working for Centerview.
And I do write for the Washington Post.
And I'm on CNN.
I thought you worked at an investment bank.
Yeah, Centerview.
Oh, Centerview.
How's that going?
Yeah.
I'm out there with a big job.
When did you join?
Yeah, about a month ago.
And when you got there, let me ask you a question.
When you got there, how was it going?
Well there's a six-letter word that a lot of people are saying lately.
Tariffs.
Was this a completely unexpected, I mean he's been talking about tariffs forever.
It seems like, did your bank set aside anything for it?
Did they know this was coming?
Did they put, is there a basement where they keep things?
Cash?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean here is, I'm going to breathe calmly.
Don't panic because everything's going to be fine. Yeah.
11 weeks and $11 trillion out the window.
Arrivederci.
Shalom aleichem.
Whoa.
Yeah, bon voyage.
Look at you.
Yeah.
And we only have 200 more weeks to go.
Right.
Yeah.
You think a trillion week?
Yeah, as my father would say, so what could go wrong?
He takes it very easy. Is this the colonic that we need? In your mind. Yeah, let me try
to help you John. Please. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm just very, I have a Elon Musk measure.
What does that mean?
Well, how many kids do you have?
What does that mean?
No, no, no, no.
This is supposed to be a manufacturing renaissance.
A manufacturer is gonna come back,
with screws next to Apple phones, as you said.
No, no, no, no, no.
We're pooping the robots.
Yeah.
Elon Musk has a 20,000 person factory in Shanghai, a 12,000-person factory in Berlin.
When those get repurposed back in the United States, this is an incredible success.
Until that time, it's an absolute failure.
And what is really, I mean, on a serious note, also driving me absolutely crazy.
We had China isolated we had the whole world angry at China for
Exporting and destroying their economies and we were going to be their hope and dream
We worked on getting Japan and Korea to align with the United States
Isolate China now. They're working their own economic deal and we're isolated
It's really the most Japan and South Korea are working-
Working now with China.
Samsung-
But don't we all- doesn't everybody trade with everybody?
Isn't that the whole-
Yes, but they were actually number one foreign investor in the United States?
Japan.
A million Americans work for them.
One of the biggest manufacturing countries that support manufacturing in the United States,
Japan.
It's the most reckless thing done by a president.
I mean, there is natural disasters, human disasters. There's lightning creates a fire.
There's arson that creates a fire. This is arsonist.
Right. But don't you think this is his ammo? You know, I'm going to tell you a story. This
is really the wrong direction to go in, but I'm going to do it anyway.
You look like you're taking...
I'm thinking of how I can do this.
I was gonna bring some Excedrin for you.
Good, that, Excedrin?
What is this, the 40s?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I'll give you an Excedrin and a palmol,
and you'll be fine.
Oh, you're lucky I didn't...
For God's sakes.
I can give you some McKinley juice.
All right, here we go.
Oh, don't do that.
So I had a dog, and the dog would go outside,
and he would eat whatever he could find outside.
And it was generally things that a dog shouldn't eat.
I'm worried where this is going.
He comes back into the house, everything's fine.
And you would go out.
In the middle of the night, he would wake up,
and he would vomit on the bed.
I would turn the light on,
and I would try and go get stuff to clean it. Then he would eat the bed. I would turn the light on, and I would try and go get stuff
to clean it.
Then he would eat the vomit.
And then look at me and go, I did good, right?
Do you see what I'm saying?
Isn't that what this is?
No.
I guarantee you, here's what's going to happen.
Trump is going to announce he's going to eat the vomit
and look at the country and go, huh?
He's giving China a get out of jail card.
They were in the doghouse with everybody.
They were isolating.
They were destroying steel plants in Chile.
They were destroying steel plants in South Africa.
But they had Belt and Road.
They were making tons of relationships with people.
But they were also exporting all their economic problems,
domestic, all over the world. And they had a lot of they were also exporting all their economic problems domestic all over the world.
Yes.
And they had a lot.
Herding manufacturing, Malaysia, Indonesia.
All over the world.
Yes, yes, yes.
And they were isolated.
And they were becoming a problem for everybody.
We're going to be the safe haven.
We've now become the problem.
We've given them a get out of jail card.
This is, listen, the way I look at it, March Madness used to be about basketball.
Right.
Now it's about the Trump administration.
Right. You used to do brackets, now you do 401 case. And you used to be about basketball. Right. Now it's about the Trump administration. Right.
You used to do brackets, now you do 401Ks.
And you used to do portfolios.
I've never seen anything...
I gotta tell you, I like my dog vomit metaphor
much better than yours.
I feel like mine was very direct.
No, no, no.
Yours?
No.
Now I'm thinking about seeding and everything else.
I'm telling you, I've literally...
He's gonna announce it.
The only thing that I could say good about this
Yeah, you could you know you see all these CEOs on the shows that are all now like this is crazy. This is insane
I'm gonna I'm gonna say
Shmock what took you so long? I mean I cannot believe all these guys running around
Oh, it's the largest tax increase in American history. Thank God for the American people. They think this is horrible
He says I'm gonna cut don't you listen to his people. They're all people. I Think out for the American people. They think this is horrible. He says I'm gonna cut.
Don't, you listen to his people.
No, his people, I'm talking about the American people,
not his people.
It's totally different.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, that's, this is the wrong way to look at this.
No, no, no, his people are literally,
their grasp of the English language is down to four words.
Yes sir, Mr. President.
His people were the majority of the voters in this country.
I used to, I worked for three presidents.
I used to be six, two.
I'm now only five, eight.
I used to go in the Oval Office and tell them,
you're out of your mind.
These guys, yes, and they go off
and they repeat all this crap on TV.
You know, Ludnick, the Secretary of Commerce,
he makes a used car salesman look like a decent guy.
I've never seen anything like this.
Let me tell you this, and from your whole rant there,
no f***ing way you're 5'8".
There's no way.
No way.
There's no way.
I am...
I'm 5'7", and I could dunk on you.
Come on, let's go.
Back, back, back, back, back. There's no way. Yeah, I'm taller. on you.
Not a chance so listen to the I believe Jewish best.
The Trump is going to see what he's going to do is go I just
made a deal that he did the same thing the last time.
China just said they're going to buy all our pork and all our soybeans.
It's the best deal anybody's ever made ever.
They don't actually ever do it.
Nobody ever checks on it.
But why even if you wanted to renegotiate our trade agreements or create a fair system
or whatever it is you want to do, why would you do it in such a reckless fashion?
All right, I want to go back to your first point.
Please.
In your book here, The Art of the Deal,
he is the worst negotiator.
China never bought anything.
They took him to cleaner.
North Korea never agreed to anything.
He negotiated a trade deal with Canada and Mexico,
and then he just blew it up.
He's blowing up his own debt.
Yeah. He is not a good negotiator.
The only... When you claim you're a good negotiator,
it should be covering up the fact
that you're a horrible negotiator.
You could have done this seven different ways
he picked the eighth way.
Right.
And it's... The problem is not just...
And you are right. He's going to say after Japan
or after Israel,
I got this deal, and then he's going to try
to calm the markets down.
But the fact is, the damage to America,
nobody will ever trust us.
In eight weeks, he's destroyed 80 years of reputation
that America built, all of us collectively.
All through all the battles, he has destroyed it.
And...
...just like your dog, he threw up on the bed.
That was my point.
That was the point of the whole story.
Did you miss the point of the whole story?
That was my point.
But I wanted to say it my way and I feel better for being here.
Thank you, John.
You think I just brought that up randomly?
No, that was...
Now, let's do the other side of the coin, okay
Democratic policy has led us in some measure to this moment. No, no doubt about it
Here's it here. We got to own this. Here's the fact
Which is we disappointed the country now. They will stab you in the back. We will disappoint you and
That's just down to where it is.
And you get to pick, as American people.
That's the choice. That's the good news, though.
Okay? Now, here.
And we got to... And here's the deal.
Here's what we hear.
Didn't you want to be the DNC chair?
That is a terrible...
That is a terrible bumper sticker.
No, you asked me. No, but you know how you...
People disappoint you.
We got to be honest. Yes.
When you make a mistake, you've got to own it.
And that's the only way to...
And here's what it is.
We were just talking earlier.
Yes.
The Stewart kids and the Emanuel kids, they're going to be good.
Loving home, good education.
And the American dream, they're going to get a shot at it, which is a deal.
But in fact, out of Washington, the American people haven't gotten the shot.
They've gotten the shaft.
And what happened is, trying to own a home,
trying to basically save for your retirement,
save your kids' education and health care
so you're not in the poor house, one sickness away.
People are missing medications,
kids are coming home from college,
they're living in the basement.
And the American dream is good for only about 10% of kids.
That's not how we keep score.
And we are responsible for not keeping faith with that.
Insane all that then.
Can't you understand why a percentage of the population
would be like, burn it down?
No.
I don't care.
Here's my thing.
More than that.
Because of what happened both in Iraq War,
what happened in the financial meltdown,
the American people lost their lives, their livelihood.
And the elite let them down.
There is no doubt that they're right to be angry.
I have no problem with some of the people that make up the MAGA.
They have a right to be angry because the elite lost faith with them.
What I have is all these other executives who've lived large on America, who allow
a president to run roughshod over the law, who run roughshod over America.
They have no right to that.
But that's not only the democratic failure,
that's again placing it too.
So let's stay with-
The Democrats have a responsibility
for what they have done with losing faith.
You can't let Peoria, Youngstown,
you can't let parts of Wisconsin, La Crosse.
But we did.
No, we did.
And that's why the first thing, sorry.
We owe you, no, we do. You that's why the first thing, sorry. We owe you... No, we do.
You have to get clean with people,
own what we did wrong, and worst-case scenario,
we then get sidetracked into side issues
rather than the main cause, which is the American dream.
So how would Democrats bring that back?
The American dream is unaffordable.
Right. It's inaccessible.
Yes. And that should be unacceptable to us.
And then number two, what you have to do is right now
is deal with the fundamentals, OK?
No part of America is off from being invested or invested in.
You've got to make sure every American has a chance
at the American dream, which means it starts first
and foremost with education.
Oh, Rob.
Even when we didn't.
Wait, wait, hold on.
No, don't.
No, wait a second.
I've got one.
I've got to own that.
OK, number two, you own with the fact
is you've got to invest in this country.
And we did not do that.
We basically let Americans and let the Chinese eat their lunch.
And that's not fair.
But even when they did it, I was talking to Ezra Klein, we were talking about rural broadband.
Billions of dollars invested in rural broadband.
There was a 14-point plan to get companies to the starting line to go to build.
Out of all the companies that jumped in there, everybody dropped out but three.
Nobody got to the starting line by the time their administration was over.
They invested in green technology.
They didn't build the electric charging stations.
How can you go out there and say, we need to raise taxes and money when people don't
believe that you're going to spend it?
Like here's what's so upsetting about all of this
Trump is great at diagnosing the problem Doge is great at telling you we need efficiency
I think the way they go about it is actually haphazard cruel reckless doesn't fix the problem
But they're not wrong in the diagnosis
Yeah, you pointed out, and I have no...
I agree with you 100% of what we literally,
we did all the...
Passing the legislation should be hard,
not actually getting the resource out.
On the other hand, let me give you one reverse.
When it... Okay?
Can I ask you?
Is this about a dog?
No.
It's about when the auto industry was on their back,
and they were literally, I remember,
as the chief of staff for President Obama.
And we got a notice that they were six weeks left
before Chrysler and GM are belly up.
And thousands of jobs and thousands of communities
were on their back.
The United States came in and saved it.
And our auto industry came back.
So, in fact, there is moments you can point to
you can't get at a charging station.
You go, wait a second.
Yeah, but even that...
I'm not saying, look... But station. You go, wait a second. Yeah, but even that.
I'm not saying, look.
But let's talk about 2008 for a second.
We did bail out corporations.
Yes.
But people, homeowners, who went under,
they lost everything.
So it's hard to-
You're looking at the guy, you're looking at the guy
100%.
It's hard for me to go like, oh good,
we saved GM when all the guys that work at GM
lost their fucking houses.
You're looking at the guy, well that's actually cheap.
That's not actually true.
GM jobs got saved rather than go bad.
Some people were out of your program.
But you know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, well that's, yes, but you were not totally accurate.
This may be the last time I'm asked on the show.
Not at all.
Yeah, but on the second thing, here's the thing.
We did do, and we saved the auto industry from going under.
And the second thing is on that part.
And somebody who was in the White House
had advocated for Old Testament justice on bankers
because they should have been put into the public square
and literally had the crap beat out of them
because they were asking for bonuses when
people were losing their homes.
And I, and I, no.
Wait. Wait.
That's what you argue in the Oval Office?
They're all like, what should we do
about the thing? And they're like, beat them!
Whip them!
Actually, to be honest,
it wasn't the Oval Office. Put them in a stockade!
It wasn't the Oval Office, it was in the Roosevelt Room.
Yeah, they should be beaten up because they're sitting
there asking for their bonuses
as if they earned a bonus when people
lost their homes, their livelihood,
and their life savings.
That's right.
And that is where we lost faith in the Iraq War, which
is built on deception.
The liars loan that lost people their homes,
it was built on deception.
And then you got COVID coming around.
And the Democrats sat around and acted like they were
sucking into the dollar.
Do you ever watch what this president is doing and think?
Because you did.
I do, but I put it on mute.
Stop. You're in the Oval Office. You're watching him do all these different things. I'm not. Do you watch what this president is doing and think, because you did, you're all through this.
I do, but I put it on mute.
Stop.
You're in the Oval Office.
You're watching him do all these different things.
Do you ever think, because President Obama, and this is what he used to yell at me about,
I used to have to, I don't know if you were there when I used to have to go down there
and he would yell at me for a while.
I was the one that called you.
Okay.
So.
When he was with you, I had free time and I actually got the one.
Oh, is that true?
All right.
Okay. When he was with you, I had free time and I actually got the... Oh, is that true? All right. So, do you watch what this president does in terms of at least the boldness of it, not
what he's doing, and think, why didn't we push the edge and get the things that we thought
rather than getting...
If we ran on the audacity of hope, why did we govern on the possible?
Is that something?
The answer is in the Talmudic way, yes and no.
And I'll tell you why.
Yes, I was like, no, no, no.
I feel like, don't know how to say that again.
I'll have to give you this hand.
I understand.
I understand. The hand. I understand.
I understand.
No, here's the thing.
I like sometimes I look over here and I literally, I set up a blind trust.
You look at these people, they're literally trading, they're setting up Bitcoin.
I was like, we were schmucks.
We were idiots for doing this.
On the other hand, nobody would ever had an ethics problem in the Obama White House.
We did follow the rules of law.
America was respected around the world.
And we did create jobs.
So did we follow it and say, oh, we should have done it audaciously like this and break over?
No, because as many as...
What would you have done if you could?
Oh, that's gonna... We have to do three more shows.
Oh, yeah.
No, but I say to... On the defense of President Obama...
It's not a defense, not even an accusation.
He said, you know, my presidency's a marathon marathon and I hand over the baton to somebody else
to pick up.
I actually think he left America better than the one he inherited from President Bush in
a whole host of ways.
I don't agree with everything.
And then you look at this, no, I don't wish we did this.
And I'm glad we didn't do this.
Was it constraining?
Yes.
But leaving here, literally walking around saying, huh, it will be a recession.
What do you need a 401k for?
No, and then-
I don't mean to push things in a way
that didn't follow.
Well, somebody who pushed a number of people
known for that.
That's why I'm asking you this question.
There are things, there's no doubt,
like what they're about to do,
let's take this on the budget and say,
$5 trillion in the tax that doesn't cost anything.
Well, I'm sorry. Any kid in third grade math, even post-COVID, knows what five
trillion dollars does cost. OK, I mean, give me a break.
So when they sit there and do all this,
they got it. You didn't get it.
I got it. I'm just adding up how many Americans you've called stupid tonight.
I'm just going through the list. I start off with the Americans.
Children, I want the bankers beaten.
I want the dumb children removed.
Now wait a second.
I think the American people agree with me about bankers getting beaten.
No, they're not vigilantes.
No, it's a cheap high.
Vigilantes. I know, but I'm only here for 20 minutes, so it feels pretty good, it's a cheap high. Vigilante.
I know, but I'm only here for 20 minutes,
so it feels pretty good.
Here's what we need.
OK, but here's the note.
The thing is, do I feel like I could?
Back to your original question.
Do I feel like we should have done certain things like this?
Yeah, but for a guy, I believe in the end of the day,
following the rules, playing by the rules,
is better for the country than trying to.
Ultimately.
Not just ultimately, also at the time.
There are definitely frustrating things.
There are things that I look, what I will say this,
is you look at like what they did on the courts
and how they stacked them versus we kind of,
the way we did it in the sense of the process,
full background checks, et cetera.
You could have pushed, you could have no doubt
pushed that much harder and much faster, no doubt about it.
And so if you were gonna, we'll leave it at this, final advice, you're a guy that's been in the Oval Office a few times,
the Democrats are in the wilderness.
I'm assuming that whoever is going to be the next leader of the Democrat Party is going to come from the wilderness,
like it usually does. Clinton came out of nowhere, Obama came out of nowhere.
Generally the successful ones, even Jimmy Carter, come out of nowhere. Generally, the successful ones, even Jimmy Clark, come out of nowhere.
Who's the next?
Who's the next?
And what would you want them to be?
Not, no, here's what I would say on a serious note.
I do want them.
I want them not part of Washington.
I want them to have governed.
I want them to be a true change agent.
And I want them to understand one thing.
The biggest thing we have to do is restore the credibility and trust with the American people.
Competence. It's more than confidence. Competence counts, but that's not what keeps you up.
The fair deal, the new deal, the new frontier was not about competence. It was about having a
vision of America, holding America to that north star. And that-
Give me three people that you would call on to write that vision, to have that vision,
to help you with that vision, to be that vision.
Three?
Three!
Okay.
I got six for you.
Okay.
Okay.
Here, hold on.
Let me give you this.
I'm writing it down.
You got it?
You want this one?
It's better. It's a little better than that one.
Yeah, okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Uh.
Hey John, your dog was playing with that before.
Well that's good.
All right.
Okay.
Six.
Okay.
Governor of Pennsylvania, Shapiro.
You're just talking about the.
Yeah, you asked me who.
But these are the usual, okay.
So you're saying it's gonna to come from the Shapiro,
Well, they're the governors.
Beshear, Whitmer, Gavin Newsom.
Look, the one constant in American history is governors have been the most likely to
make it to Washington because they bring change.
Both parties, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, you go there,
Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, governors are your most likely change.
Would you give a Mark Cuban a shot, somebody like that, totally out of the box?
No.
No, I wouldn't, because I think that you actually
have to have the currency you work on in politics is politics.
And if you don't have experience in it, no.
And I do think governors bring change,
people that have understand.
But the most important thing to me
is can you articulate that vision that takes America
out of this wilderness to a better place, to a better thing?
Because when you're done with this,
it's gonna be a lot of carnage.
Young man, well I'm Emmanuel.
We're gonna take a break, we'll be right back after this.
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