The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Jon Stewart Reacts to Colbert's Cancellation & Trump's "Bawdy" Epstein Doodles | Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Jon Stewart dives into Trump’s crude birthday card to Epstein and his desperate attempts to distract MAGA with Hillary's emails, the release of the MLK files, and the return of racist football mascots. Plus, Jon reacts to CBS cancelling "The Late Show with Stephen Colbert" and calls upon corporations, advertisers, and institutions to "sack up" with the help of the “Go F**k Yourself” choir. Chairman of the Los Angeles Times and of ImmunityBio, Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong sits down with Jon to share how his groundbreaking work in cancer research and his surprising purchase of the Los Angeles Times in 2018 are both part of his vision to heal the country and give everyone an opportunity at the American dream. He offers a background to his work in finding cancer treatments that harness the body’s natural immunity – a departure from decades of the harmful, money-making chemotherapy standard – and shares how growing up in apartheid South Africa gave him a deep appreciation for news media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hello! Me, Nombre, and Jon Stewart. We've got a great show for tonight. Later on in the program, we're going to be joined by Dr. Patrick Soon-Shung, famed cancer researcher, and the owner of the Los Angeles Times. Perhaps he and I will be doing the Los Angeles Times crossword together on the program. Which, in my humble opinion, is subpar.

Yeah, that's right. You heard me. Los Angeles Times crossword puzzle. Four-letter word I love blank. Lucy. It's Lucy. Look, there's a lot going on in the world right now. Obviously that includes the major media news that everyone is talking about. I'm referring of course to the New Devil Wears Prada movie. I mean...

I mean... I mean... Ooh! Anne Hathaway grew out her signature bangs for the sequel? I don't even know what I'm watching. There was also big news in the world of late night television and we'll get to that later. No booing, not tonight. No we're not going to boo tonight. We're going to listen to the sound bites.

It's almost too important to boot. All right. But first, if Donald Trump was hoping that this would be the weekend that the Jeffrey Epstein story would finally go away, this would not be that weekend. A stunning story raising new questions about Trump's past relationship with the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. But I still have all the old questions.

And those questions might go bad. But go on. President Trump is lashing out at the Wall Street Journal for claiming that he once sent a 50th birthday card to financier Jeffrey Epstein that contained a body doodle. My God, a body doodle! At long last, sir, have you no decency? What are we doing, the news in Victorian England now? This scallywag said to me a rib-old daggerotype! My God, alert the constable! That's all you got, bawdy doodle? How bad can it be?

And it's a cryptically written letter, a crude drawing It contains several lines of typewritten text framed by the outline of a naked woman. A pair of small arcs denotes the woman's breasts. And the future president's signature is a squiggly Donald below her waist mimicking pubic hair. Pubic hair! Oh my god, you broke Blitzer! Pubic hair! By the way, not to be the grammar police, but pubic hair. That's the way that... inflection. Pubic hair. Pubic hair. That's the way that... Inflection. Pubic hair.

Pubic hair! What's the deal with all the curls? Now, a billionaire sending another billionaire a birthday card with a playful, nudie cartoon isn't incriminating in and of itself. It's really the creepiness of the sentiments expressed. Ladies and gentlemen, unfortunately, our lead Meryl Streep was unavailable tonight. So performing tonight's creepy birthday card,

please welcome, ladies and gentlemen, Nicole Wallace. Voice over, there must be more to life than having everything, the note began. Donald, yes, there is, but I won't tell you what it is. Jeffrey, normal eye, since I also know what it is. Donald, we have certain things in common, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, yes we do, come to think of it. Things in common. It could be anything.

You could write all kinds of things you have in common inside the outline of a naked woman. We're both gluten intolerant. You both prefer window seats on airplanes to private islands, oh God. I hope act two of this play doesn't make it worse. Donald, enigmas never age. Have you noticed that? Jeffrey, as a matter of fact it was clear to me the last time I saw you. Donald, a pal is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday, and may every day be another wonderful secret. What did I tell you? You! You! You! You! You! You!

You! You! You! You! You! You! You! You!

You! You! You! You! You! You! You! You!

You! You! You! You! You! You! You! You! You! You! You! You! You! that every line in that card sounds like the password you have to use to get into the orgy and eyes wide shot.

Donald, we have certain things in common. Jeffrey, enigmas never age. All right, gentlemen, come on in and grab a mask. I got to say, for that that birthday card how much must it have sucked to be the next guy in the office that had to sign that Epstein birthday card? You want me to just, you want me to sign it right by the pubic hair or by the, by the just the little titties. What do you want? I'm just going to write yours to 50 more. Now, MagaWorld, as you know, is demanding the Epstein files,

and yet somehow still has lined up behind Trump to defuse this apparently specific file, starting with the fact that Trump couldn't have written that birthday card he doesn't know all the words that were in it. Somebody did an eye search and out of decades and decades of decades of being a public figure and now political figure Donald Trump has never used the word enigma.

I imagine he's used words that are close. Well, if AI cannot find reference to the word enigma in all of Donald Trump's communiqués over the Roll 212. I'm first, Carson's second. Now Carson's an enigma to me. Carson's an enigma. He knows the word. Hooray for Donald Trump! Hooray for Donald Trump! And Trump has accurately used it in a sentence.

Extra credit. Is there any other exculpatory evidence? The Wall Street Journal, they got the following on the record quote from Trump that said in part, I never wrote a picture in my life. He then doubled down on his social media platform, posting, I don't draw pictures. Yes! Donald Trump neither writes pictures

nor draws pictures. Which as the experts will tell you, are the two leading causes of pictures. Obviously that's not something you can probably search in AI. The only way you could disprove is with literal evidence of Donald's doodles. Trump in 2008 in his book recalled donating an autographed doodle every year to charity. Here is a drawing of the New York City has pubic hair? I'm sorry. Pubic hair.

Pubic hair! Pubic hair! I guess this makes Donald Trump just another world leader we wish had just stuck with art. No, no, no. Tell your friends. Look, I do have to say, it is a little troubling to me that Team Trump's talking points are, he doesn't even know that word, or he can't draw. And not, why would anyone think

he would write a creepy letter to a pedophile? I guess that's because Trump bragged about busting into the dressing rooms at Miss Universe Contest and was accused of busting into the dressing room at Miss Teen Contest, and was accused of busting into the dressing room at Miss Teen USA pageants, and told a couple of 14-year-olds he'd be dating them in two years. Yeah! And then there's this.

Do you think you could now be banging 24-year-olds? Oh, absolutely. I have no trouble. Would you do it? I have no problem. Yeah, do you have an age limit, or would you...? If I... No, no, I have no age. I mean, I have an age limit. I don't want to be like the...

The upper bracket, yeah. ...competition foley with, you know, 12-year-olds. I'm not a creep! I just want to make it clear. That is what he's admitting to when he knows he's being recorded. Literally, you're sitting in a studio with a giant sign that says,

On Air! And you're like, I mean, 12 would be just too much. I mean, come on. I mean, maybe it's a lot easier to argue over doodles in vocabulary than to have to confront whether a letter like this lines up with

Donald Trump's character. They don't want people asking if the person who'd send a doodle to Jeffrey Epstein was also the type of person that would have said this in a deposition. When you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.

That's what you said, correct? Well, historically, that's true with stars. It's true with stars that they can grab women by the pussy? Well, that's what it's... If you look over the last million years, I guess that's been largely true. Not always, but largely true, unfortunately or fortunately. Oh my God, what's going on? Oh my God.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Guy's such an enigma. Again, I just want to point out here. I just want to point out here. Under oath, fortunately or unfortunately, under oath, he doesn't take a position on whether the coerced pussy grabbing is fortunate or unfortunate.

None of this looks good. And as the temperature rises on the unanswered questions about Donald Trump's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, the Trump administration was forced to respond. Breaking news, moments ago, the director of national intelligence, Telsey Gabbard, releasing the 230,000 files. Oh, my God, that's from this afternoon. It worked.

The incessant public pressure, mainly from, I'll give credit, the MAGA base, has finally forced Trump's hand. Let's hear what's in those files. 230,000 files related to the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. Epstein killed Martin Luther King Jr.? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. happened today, AG Bondi released files. This is all happening today what's in those files related to the FBI's handling of the investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server. Finally we'll get to know the truth about Hillary's private email island. As the Epstein missile heads towards the fuselage, look at Trump firing off countermeasures from Air Force

One, like Rooster and Maverick in Top Guns. Maverick, sir, we got a bogey at 5 o'clock. Hillary Clinton's emails. Ka-choo! They're still closing, sir. Ka-coo-ch, Martin Luther King's vials. Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Oh, oh, sir, we're out of vials.

Surely it's curtains. Wait. I've still got one more trick up in me sleeve. Boys, it's been an honor serving with you. Here we go. Trump threatens to restrict the stadium deal with the Washington commanders if they don't change their name back to the Redskins. Are you fucking kidding me.

You know they always say liberals are condescending to Maga I cannot think of anything more condescending than the way Trump treats Maga. Oh you want to know more about how the super rich are trafficking underage girls with impunity? Uh, hmm. Uh, would you still want to know if I let you use an outdated slur for Native Americans? I guess in Trump's mind,

he doesn't have to keep his promises to MAGA as long as he continues to attack the people that MAGA hates. That's his get out of jail free card. Trump believes he has immunity as long as he remains a petty tyrant, demanding only liberal institutions surrender to his whims. And what's crazy is, liberal institutions have. Columbia University is bowing to President Trump's demands. ABC News settling a defamation suit with President Trump, paying out $15 million.

Trump collected a big check, $25 million from Metta. A powerful law firm is caving to growing pressure from the Trump administration. The president pressuring two more law firms and they have relented. Wilkie Farr and Gallagher became the latest major law firm to enter into one of these settlements with the White House. Really? Wilkie Farr and Gallagher? We know Gallagher wouldn't put up a fight.

And Farr was always a coward, but this episode has long last brought shame to the proud name of Wilkie. Oh Wilkie! Not since John Wilkie Booth assassinated Abraham Linky Booth! Assassinated Abraham Linky! Too soon? But since we're on the topic of corporate capitulation, to the whims of a pussy-grabbing enigma, last week, as you may have heard,

CBS, which happens to have the same parent company as the network this program currently airs on, unceremoniously canceled the late show with Stephen Colbert. And yes, in this case, I'll allow it. Now, obviously, I am certainly not the most objective to comment on this matter. Many of you may or may not know, Stephen and I worked together on this very program,

together from 1999 through 2005. Look how young. Look at that. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Haven't changed a bit.

And then, Stephen began our sister program, The Colbert Report, also on Comedy Central. A show which in my mind, if began our sister program, The Colbert Report, also on Comedy Central. A show which, in my mind, if I may, remains to this day one of the most astounding accomplishments in satirical television, rendering a fictional character in real time four nights a week for 10 years, so seamlessly seamlessly many viewers believed him to be the boorish high-status idiot he was portraying. They were heady times my

friends. We were two pretty good-sized fish in a reasonably small basic cable pond. Both of our shows reached an inflection point in 2015. Stephen chose to challenge himself by seeing if he could succeed the legendary David Letterman in, quite frankly, a much bigger pond than the one he and I had been swimming in. And I quit. I quit. I quit. Stephen challenged himself. Steven challenged himself.

I passed away. Steven challenged his abilities in the biggest field you could. And I literally went to a farm upstate. It's true. He did it. I did it! And, if I may, watching Steven exceed all expectations in the role and become the number one late night show on network television has been an undeniable great pleasure for me as a viewer and as his friend.

And now... And now... And now... And now... And now... And now... Steven has been canceled for purely financial reasons. for purely financial reasons.

for purely financial reasons. Eh? Eh? And by the way, not just Steven's show, CBS has canceled the entirety of the late show franchise. Gone! Now, I acknowledge.

Losing money. Late Night TV is a struggling financial model. We are all basically operating a blockbuster kiosk inside of a tower of records. of Tower Records. But when your industry is faced with changes, you don't just call it a day. My God! When CDs stopped selling, they didn't just go, oh well, music, it's been a good run. The fact that CBS didn't try to save their number one rated

network late night franchise that's been on the air for over three decades is part of what's making everybody wonder, was this purely financial? Or maybe the path of least resistance for your $8 billion merger was killing a show that you know rankled a fragile and vengeful president so insecure, suffering terribly from a case

of chronic penis insufficiency. It's a terrible disease. It's a terrible disease. Truly, it's a vicious disease. I believe CBS lost the benefit of the doubt two weeks prior when they sold out their flagship news program to pay an extortion fee to said president. At that time poor Andy Rooney must have been rolling over in his bed. That's right. He's alive. Andy Rooney is alive. I probably buried the lead on this entire bit. Andy Rooney is alive and he's just turning over in bed. You know what he's probably doing? Biding his

time. When the network calls him and says, is anything else bothering you Andy? Yeah, the thing is... Ask your parents. He was on 60 Minutes. Look, I understand the corporate fear. I understand the fear that you and your advertisers have with $8 billion at stake. But understand this, truly. The shows that you now seek to cancel sensor in control. A not insignificant portion of

that 8 billion dollar value came from those fucking shows. Show that says something shows that take a stand, shows that are unafraid, and not to believe me, this is not a, we speak truth to power, we don't, we speak opinions to television cameras. But we try, we fucking try every night. And if you believe as corporations or as networks, you can make yourselves so innocuous that you can serve a gruel so flavorless

that you will never again be on the boy king's radar, A, why will anyone watch you and you are fucking wrong? You wanna know how impossible. Is it true? Is it true? You wanna know, You want to know how impossible it is to stay on Lord Farquad's good side? President Trump says he will sue the Wall Street Journal and its owner Rupert Murdoch, who also owns Fox News. Donald Trump is suing Rupert Murdoch, the owner of Fox News, the man other than Biden,

maybe most responsible for getting Trump elected. Fox, yeah, yeah, I fucking snuck that in there. Yeah. Fox spends 24 hours a day blowing Trump and it's not enough. Imagine suing someone mid-blow. How could you? Finish up, finish up down there and I'll see you in court. So here's the point. If you're trying to figure out why Stephen's show is ending, I don't think the answer can

be found in some smoking gun email or phone call from Trump to CBS executives or in CBS's QuickBooks spreadsheets on the financial health of late night. I think the answer is in the fear and pre-compliance that is gripping all of America's institutions at this very moment. Institutions that have chosen not to fight the vengeful and vindictive actions of our pubic hair doodling commander in chief. This is not the moment to give in. I'm not giving in. I'm not going anywhere. I think.

So to those institutions, to those corporations and advertisers and universities and law firms, all of them, if you still think that bending the knee to Trump will save you, I have one thing to say. I know you're scared. I know you're weary. You're weary. I know your plans. Don't include me. But these are troubled times. Times! Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo This ain't the time to shrink! Not the time! This is the time to fight! Time to fight! This is the time to rise up!

Not too fast you're old! I am old, that is a true point. Obviously the blood pressure, etc. But compliance and complacency is not the answer. We reject the mindless, machine-generated slap that offends nobody, and we affirm our shared humanity. We must continue to have humans make things that inspire and provoke other humans. ChadGBT wrote that.

Laughter. Applause. But if you're afraid and you protect your bottom line. I've got but one thing to say. Just one little phrase. You tell them. Go fuck yourself! Go fuck yourself!

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as well as the Los Angeles Times. Please welcome to the program, Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiang. Sir! How are you? I appreciate my pleasure. I pregame my breath. I pregame my breath. I pregame my breath. I pregame my breath.

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I pregame my breath. this is not my book. You did not write this? I did not write this Okay But you are giving it to me I'm giving it to you thank God I really thought that you thought this was going to be so boring that you brought a book to read be so boring that you brought a book to read while we were talking. What is it? So this book really drove not only my thinking but how America taught the world to use chemotherapy. Oh really? This is the basis of a lot of your research.

It is. And will I understand any of it? You will. I it? You will. I will? You will. So I'll ask you, do you know what a nude mouse is? A nude mouse? I'm assuming it's a mouse with low morals.

No, aren't all mice? And again, my degree is not in biology, but I assumed that most mice were nude. No, this is a nude mouse that the National Cancer Institute had to develop in order to understand how to develop the chemicals that poison you. Wow. Yeah. So this is amazing, and it gets the kind of what I

want to talk to you about. You're a guy you do this incredible cancer research you make these breakthroughs in cancer treatment you create these drugs you create this empire there can be no more heroic pursuit than the curing of cancer for people, why then go buy a newspaper which as you know gives people cancer? Why do it? So when I bought it for Lanczos, we were partners with the Lakers, said you know I always thought you were a smart guy until today. Of buying a newspaper. When did you buy it? 2018. And did you have concerns that this was going to be the bane of your existence and cut into the time that you were

using for these other pursuits? No, because look, maybe you understand, truly understand why. I was born in South Africa until the age of 24. I'd never seen TV. My only education. I'm just going to jump in right there. That's tragic.

Not even basic cable. No cable. No TV. Imagine the jokes you missed. And the country doesn't have TV. Wait, for real? Yeah, for sure. But you're about my age. You can't be much more than me.

I am a little more. 60s? What are you, 70? I'm 72. Really? That's... Out of all the things I've done tonight, all the nonsense, that's the first time I heard them gasp.

So there were no TVs, so you were really much more entertained by the written word. The written word, the radio, newspapers. Okay. So news meant a lot to you. Oh, every day, because it really kept internally our freedom, right? Because we the people then were underparted, I lived underparted. The editors fought it. And that's how I got educated and that's how I got inspired. So to me, by the time I was working on cancer,

I was given 48 hours, 48 hours to buy this newspaper or not. Why was there such a, what is it, like a, like the movie Speed? Like you have 55 miles an hour or the paper is going to blow up? Like why 48 hours? So Michael Farah bought the Tribune at that point in time, and he knew how much I wanted to protect the newspaper in Los Angeles. going to blow up? Like why 48 hours? So Michael Farad bought the Tribune at that point in time and he knew how much I wanted to protect the newspaper in Los Angeles and he called me on a Friday and I was ironically having a conference call, a conference with science

doctors on cancer. And he says, Patrick, Monday we're shutting down the DC Bureau. We're shutting down Los Angeles, moving into Chicago. You got 48 hours. If you want to buy it, it's $500 million. That's it. You had to make a $500 million decision, take it or leave it, 48 hours. You got it.

And was that a gut-wrenching decision? Was it a sleep-losing decision? It was a decision that I had to talk to my wife about. If I may, how'd that go? Actually, because we both grew up in South Africa. Oh, so she was invested in this as well. Very much so. And we said, okay.

But he said, no due diligence. You can't go to the newsroom. You don't know anything. 48 hours. So I brought the team in. They came over. And by Monday we brought the newspaper. Now were you concerned at all?

So this is a huge undertaking. And this was early on. Did you, did you look at other models? Did you think about what model of businessman, media owner you wanted to be? Did you want to go the Musk, like, I'll buy it and then kind of lose my mind and then... Like, or was it more the Bezos, I'll buy it,

but I have these other interests with the government that may... Or was this more like the New York Times, Sulzberger model, like, I'll buy it, but I have these other interests with the government that may or was this more like the New York Times Solzberger model like I'll buy it as kind of an heirloom as a Family and we'll run this in a different way What was the thinking for you was as I grew up in South Africa? The only thing that inspired me kept me alive was the newspaper. So the opportunity for me working on cancer and healing Hopefully curing cancer, is to have a place where the people, the voice of the people, truly the voice of the people, could be heard. So there was... Now is that...

Were you ever worried that this other work that you're doing, which is so crucial, was going to be diminished by the time you had to spend? Was that ever a concern? No, because we were deep. I was... So that book... No, I'm already through the nude mice chapters. No. Because by that time, so that was 1995,

and he wrote that book in 1992. So by 2018, I've already concluded, sadly, that people are suffering from chemotherapy. And we as Americans and as America has trained the world, together with Big Pharma, about chemotherapy because it's a money making machine. Chemotherapy?

Chemotherapy. Radiation, chemotherapy, high dose chemotherapy. Now is that because those technologies are, here's where I want to be clear, is it because those technologies are nascent and primitive when it came to curing cancer. Because I hate to assign a sinister motive to something that I've seen in my own life help people that I love. So let me give you the background to that. Please. So page 13, 14, 15 when you get there.

Literally page 13? So next fall. Literally page 13. So next fall. Seriously, so in the 1940s, World War I and World War II, nitrogen gas from gas was used. So the first chemotherapy ever invented is 1946 nitrogen mustard. So this was sort of an accident of they saw that mustard gas killed cells but it also killed cancer and so they utilize it. Is that how it's exactly.

But okay. It was under the thing called chemical warfare services in the government then 1940s 1950s that became the nucleus of an organization called Sloan Kettering quite literally. Oh wow, okay. In which they had to then figure out this thing called Taxol, how it would kill cancer. But not kill the human being. The balance of it so that it didn't kill the people. And this is why I guess chemotherapy makes people so ill oftentimes.

Right, except they forgot a universal truth. Pa pa pa. You and I, through evolution, and this is where the beauty of nature and the beauty of evolution have in our body two things. The T cell in the liver, we now know. T cell is the fight's... Fight's cancer. ...virus or...

Correct. Okay. But another cell that's been around for 450 million years called the natural killer cell. Literally that's the name. They didn't call it that. Really? They just go, hey, look at this. What is that?

I believe that's the natural killer cell. It is. Really? That's the scientific name. So what is that cell? That works alongside the T cell? Correct. That's the cell that your body, in order for mammalians to survive, you came from a tadpole.

How dare you! My parents are from Bronx and Washington Heights. Thanks. Four and fifty million years of evolution, meaning that cell is the most important cell in your body in order to literally survive. And it was only discovered in 1990s. Okay. In 1970s. Well, that post-states chemotherapy then, so they didn't know about this. Correct.

So, in order to design these chemicals that were coming out, they needed to find a model in which you could put human tissue into the mouse. And guess what natural cancer institute invented? The nude mouse. That's, the nude mouse is the natural killer cell. No, the nude mouse is a mouse that has no T cells, no natural killer cells.

So you could transplant into that mouse a human tissue and it would take, so that then you could put chemicals into that and see the tumor shrink. And they said, voila, we have the NCI panel of a model. And all these chemicals of chemo. Will not be needed. Those will be seen as primitive at some day.

No, they would be seen then until today as the treatment of choice. So that drug, Taxol, was developed by Bristol Mice and the National Cancer Institute. In order to give it to women with breast cancer, it has to be dissolved in castor oil. Castor oil? Intravenously in castor oil. Castor oil? Intravenously injected castor oil. And women... Now, that seems like a powerful statement, and yet I don't know why. When you said, you looked me in the eye and you went, it is injected in castor oil, and

I went, huh. And there's a black box, which we have in the FDA packaging, so it's called a black box. Okay. When you have the castor injected, women die from endothelactic shock. From castor oil? To this day. So this will allow them to deliver chemotherapy without having to use this substrate that

causes shock? Am I... No, this allows... Am I getting any of this right? Am I the dumbest person you've ever had to talk to? So let me get it there. So this drug was now developed because it actually went into these nude mice

and showed the tumor shrunk and everyone was happy. So we had to deliver it and they delivered it in casserole. And now then the standard is, let's look at the response with the tumor shrink. Okay. Forgot about something, however. As you give this taxol or these chemotherapies, you wipe out your natural killer cells and T cells.

The universal truth. Which makes you susceptible to infection. And cancer. And cancer. And cancer. The only cell that actually supers your body right now when we're in equilibrium is the natural killer cell to prevent us from getting cancer. And that's the secret to the future of fighting cancer.

That is the secret. That is the universal truth that we have in our body through 450 million years of evolution, a cell called the natural killer cell. God created that cell in order for us to survive. What has never happened... Okay, you just lost me. Square 450 million years with God. All right, forget about that.

Listen. Listen. So here's where I get concerned. Listen. Listen. But so here's where I get concerned. Yeah. This is so fascinating. Now that you have your own newspaper, are you worried that your motivations in the newspaper

will, because I'm going to assume that you, because you have a company that also deals in biologics, that you want to get FDA approval for different forms of treatment that you're going to develop and that is not impugning those treatments in any way. But why create this other Los Angeles Times where people can question whether or not decisions you make for the Los Angeles Times won't be influenced by things you want from the FDA controlled by the government.

Doesn't that put you in a difficult position? No, because in terms of the Times, there's this news reporting and there's editorial invoices. And I never discuss or present any of my stuff in the LA Times. I would go to the New York Times or the Walsh So that so your paper wouldn't report on your my work Really? Yes, but wouldn't your paper my paper maybe offend the administration? It may and it probably does

No, they're very resilient this Very thick skin. Right. But it's important for the paper to have voices of all. And that's what I wanted to do, right? Whether you're right, left, Democrat, Republican, you're an American. So the opportunity for us to provide a paper that

is the voices of the people, truly the voices of the people. So I'm going to announce something with you tonight is that. More than the new mouse you're gonna announce something? That we're literally gonna take LA Times public and allow it to be democratized, and allow the public to have the ownership of this paper. Wow. That's fantastic.

That's fantastic. So in that sense, will then the public will have a say on the board and on? Right. Fantastic. Very much like the football team that just got public, if you remember. Sure. Well, the Green Bay Packers, famously owned by a lot of the people.

And when does that take place? We think of the next year that we will be working through with an organization that's putting that together right now. Right. And so the idea is that can hopefully remove maybe some of those questions of where ethics get cloudy, would we say. And really, ethics get cloudy if, in fact, the truth is not told. So if in my mind, the opportunity for, you know,

look, our institutions today, everybody, there's so much distrust. Sure. Unless you have truth and trust, those two words, I think we're not gonna have any healing in the country. So my goal... Oh, that's for sure. So if we can cure cancer

and have people have their voice in the paper, I think we have at least... I live this American dream. I'm an immigrant here. Right. So to me, this is really a wonderful opportunity for us to have the privilege of being an American. Well, by God's, I truly appreciate it.

And I have to tell you, I wish you the best on this. I truly believe there may be no higher calling than I have seen this disease bring so much sadness and pain to so many people. And if there was a way through, and by the way, believe that all those doctors do it in good faith to try and bring the greatest relief to the greatest amount of people. And so I so appreciate that part of it. And I look forward to owning your paper. I'm looking forward to that as well. Thank you so much, Amina. I really appreciate it.

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