The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Jordan Klepper On The Rise of “Wrong Place” Shootings | Ryan Holiday

Episode Date: April 21, 2023

Jordan Klepper tackles the news of the day, including the Southwest passenger outraged by a crying baby and the rise of "wrong place" shootings, with commentary from Roy Wood Jr., Desi Lydic, and Michael Kosta. Bestselling author Ryan Holiday explains parenting with stoicism in his new book “The Daily Dad.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to the Daily Show, I am Jordan Clepper. It's my last night hosting the show tonight hosting the show tonight. It's my last night hosting the show tonight. It's also 420. It's also 420. What an emotional roller coaster we just went on. We got a great show for you tonight so let's get in the headlines. There's so much news that I wanted to talk about today. I wanted to talk about Elon Musk exploding four minutes after launch. It doesn't make it a successful flight, but does

make it a successful metaphor. And to the haters who said Musk couldn't possibly destroy something faster than Twitter, jokes on you. Yeah. Also I wanted to talk about the presidential race and how Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the famous the famous anti-vaxer, the taxer to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the f. the f f. the f. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the su-s. the the to talk about the presidential race and how Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., the famous anti-vaxer, launched a primary campaign against Joe Biden. If you ask me, it's pretty bold to build your entire campaign on being anti-vaccine, since so many of the people who might vote for you are already dead. But, unfortunately, we can't spend time on any of that because there's another thing going on and surprise, surprise, it's gun violence. Now, I don't want to spend every day this week talking about guns, but this is America and

it's not giving me a choice. Because maybe you've noticed that a lot of this week's gun violence had something in common. They are the things that happen all the time, a mixed-up address, pulling into the wrong driveway or confusing one car from another. Yet remarkably, for a third time in a week, seemingly innocent moments of confusion have led to bloodshed. From Kansas City, where a teen who approached the wrong doorstep is recovering from two bullet wounds. To New York State, where a 20-year-old woman was fatally shot after the car she was in, accidentally drove up the wrong driveway. And now in Elgin, Texas, a high school cheerleader has been shot and seriously wounded after her friend apparently

approached the wrong car. Police say Peyton Washington and Heather Roth were in a parking lot when Roth opened a car she thought was one of their own and saw a man inside. Roth says the man started firing as she was apologizing. Does anyone else watching these stories feel like they're losing their god damn minds? I mean, call me old-fashioned. Whatever happened to asking a person one fucking question. Are you confused about why a stranger is at your house?

Before you open fire, open your mouth and just ask them, can I help you? It's not that hard. Look, I know you have Second Amendment rights, America, but you also have First Amendment rights, use them. See, we're paying attention to them now. We pay attention now because a few of them happen in one week. But what's wild is these wrong place shootings happen all the time. Because America is a country where every day, too many people are armed, scared,

and end up using lethal force because Google Maps didn't update. I mean, what does it say when the most dangerous job in America is Jehovah's Witness? You know what? You know how bad things have gotten? Remember that couple in St. Louis, the McCloskey's? A couple years ago, they went out onto their front yard and pointed their guns at protesters. And they got a lot of shit for it. But you know what? They didn't fire it on anybody. And I never thought I'd say this, but please America, be more like these gun nuts.

All right, that's enough. All right, let's move on to something else that's quintessentially American. People losing their shit on airplanes. We turn now to a Southwest passengers outburst over a crying baby that forced the plane to land before its destination. This morning it's a midair meltdown of epic proportions aboard one Southwest flight, not just from the baby on board, but also from an adult passenger. We are in a fucking 10 can with a baby in a a goddamn echo chamber and you want to talk to me about being okay? Okay because you're yelling. So is the baby? So is the baby?

I don't care what the situation is. That is never a strong argument. Oh! Oh, so a baby can poop its pants in public, but I'm getting thrown out of this TJ Max? Yeah, this guy totally lost it. I mean, somebody should have checked their emotional baggage. It's Southwets, that's an extra 50 bucks. This story raises a lot of questions about passenger behavior and parental responsibilities.

And I want to dig into all these angles with the greatest news team in the world. Uh, this story raises a lot of questions about passenger behavior and parental responsibilities, and I want to dig into all these angles with the greatest news team in the world. Let's go to the airport right now with Roy Wood Junior Roy. Roy! Yeah, Roy, you interviewed the flight attendant say. Oh, this is so good. Oh, my God, Roy. Right. You interviewed the flight attendant say? Oh, this is so good. Oh, my God. Roy, you, you, you, you interview, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, you, you, the, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, the the, the, the, the the the the to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to, right, right, right, to, right, to, to, right, the the the the the, did the flight attendants say? Oh, this is so good. Oh my God, Roy, Roy, you interviewed the flight attendants, right? Yeah, yeah, I was going to interview him, but...

Damn, why is it so good? It's so small, but it's so good. Right. I'm sorry sorry what's going on right Jordan I just wanted to relax a little bit it's 420 it's 420 so on a 420 I just smoked smoked a little bit of weed and then I smoked a whole lot more oh you're high during the show. Come on, man, the news is so depressing out there. I just needed a break. Plus it's Black History Month, man.

Back up off me, man. Roy, you literally just told me it's 4.20. That is April. Is that what the four stands for? Damn it, damn it, I'm disappointed. Sorry, folks, it's very unprofessional. Let's just, let's go to Southwest headquarters to get the corporate reaction from our own Desi Lydic. Desi.

Desi, is Southwest policy on baby attendance going to change? There's an even bigger question here, Jordan, which is, how do planes even fly? Like, they have wings, but the wings don't flap. I've never seen a plane take off like this. God David, are you high? What? No? I mean, yes, that on weed. I'm not like high in a plane. Is that what you meant? No, that's not what I meant.

Honestly, Des-Foes, folks, look, I'm sorry. This is a total lack of professionalism. You deserve better. It's unbelievable. Let's try this one more time. Are you there with us? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course I am, Jordan. I'm Michael Costa, yeah, yeah, yeah. And don't you worry, because I'm not high on weed, I'm high on cocaine, okay? Come on, let's go. I'm very illegal. Yeah, well, don't you worry.

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There was a door, it was unlocked. It was basically unlocked. You just walked through a punch of security guard. Get it, it's not safe. Don't worry, dude. I can't physically die, okay? I see the plane coming. But bring it out, bring it out, let's go. Is that another cinnabond? What is that? Roy, what are you doing? There's a plane coming.

Roy! Right. But how do they come? Oh, I flew. This does work. Is that what we should start our airlines? I was telling you about the time that we can do the flight, you can be in the back We don't want to get hit by a plane. I can't believe you all got to work without me. Desi Roy and Michael, everyone. When we come back, we'll talk about fighting the solution to Andrew Take.

Go go well. to Andrewthe Daily Show. You know, as part of my job, I talk to a lot of men. A lot of dumb men. We tree women with respect here. Yes, we do. That's an American ideal. Tell me about your shirt. What's it say? It says... Hillary sucks. But not like Monica. What's it say? It says, Hillary sucks. But not like Monica. Read the transcript right.

Have you read the transcript? I have not read it. Look at the transcript. Have you read the transcript? Have you read the transcript? Uh, I trust the word of our president. Come on, fake news. What you got? Go find yourself a safe space. Let me get this straight. You're yelling to me to find a safe space and you have elevated yourself with a megaphone

and you have a shield. Uh, we... We never kept in touch. Uh, we... We never kept in touch. But outside of my job interviewing dumb men, I'm also the father of a young son. And as a father, my biggest goal is to not end up interviewing my son as part of my job. Make sure that happens, he's going to need some help. And that's what I want to talk about in ton midst of some long overdue changes around gender and power.

Reexamining ideas of masculinity, femininity, the spectrum in between, and how fluid it all is. It's a difficult and necessary conversation. But luckily for us, we get to have these nuanced debates on Twitter. Now, this cultural change is important, and I'm glad it's happening. But when there is a cultural shift, it's easy to get lost within it. And even though it feels strange to say this, a group that is being left out is young boys. And I know, I know, I know. A war on men?

I sound like I'm on a network that just got sued out of $780 million. But, I know, I know, I know, jokes on you, Central doesn't have that kind of cash. My point is, we've had a great conversation about what men shouldn't be. Men shouldn't be toxic. They shouldn't be overly aggressive. They shouldn't pay a porn star to keep quiet about an affair they had right after their son was born. It's a high, high bar. But we haven't been showing men what they should

be. And that matters to young boys who are looking for an identity, for a narrative about what it means to be a man. And that vacuum is being filled by people with the worst possible idea of manhood. Former kickboxer and big brother contestant Andrew Tate, infamous for being the self-proclaimed king of toxic masculinity. Tate's core message centers around the belief that masculinity is in the crosshairs, and he's defending it. His target audience, young men. This whole idea of being toxically masculine is complete garbage. I think the most dangerous men are the weak men.

Feel, feel, feel, feel, feel, feel, feel. That's what they do. We act act, act, act, act, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, the their, the the the the the the the the the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. the. the. thea. toge. toge, te, toge, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they do. We act. We're men of action. Empowering females is the easiest way to weaken the will of men. Study, study, study, study. Give up your whole life in school. Then you get to be a doctor. You can't even buy a mother-of-fix car. The problem with most of you is that I am sitting here

with my sunglasses, bald head, millions of millions of dollars, nearly unmatched fighting skills. I am Morpheus. I need action. I need constant chaos in my life to feel content. I need to be driving a supercar and f-fighting, fuck a bunch of h'fix champagne and going crazy. Okay, okay, we get it. You have a small penis. And even through the video you can tell this guy wears too much cologne. And by the way not to tell this guy wears too much cologne. And by the way, not to tarnish his sparkling image, but Andrew Tate is currently under

investigation for human trafficking. I know, it's always the first one you suspect. Now, maybe you don't know Andrew Tate. Maybe you're thinking, who is this porn parody Vin Diesel? You may not know him, but trust me your sons do. With over 13 billion views on Tick-Tock, Tate's rhetoric is moving from online to the classroom. So I'm a teacher and I teach 6th grade. The amount of young 11-year-old boys that told me that they love Andrew Tate is ridiculous. One teacher says she hears blatant misogyny from the boys in her class, hearing them say that girls that that that that th th th th th thiiii th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate tate ta. ta. ta. ta. ta ta ta ta ta ta ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. hears blatant misogyny from the boys in her class,

hearing them say that girls belong in the kitchen and only exist for reproduction. And another claiming they talk about alphas in sixth grade now. One teacher in South London noticed that his students were parroting Tate's ideology. About a third of the 30 students in the class passionately argued that women were responsible for their own sexual assaults, one of Tate's top lines. Wow, times have really changed. When I was in sixth grade, the most toxic role model for boys was Michelangelo. He eats pizza for breakfast, lunch and dinner. That turtle doesn't give a fuck. Seriously, how can you be misogynistic in sixth grade? pizza for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. That turtle doesn't give a f-sick.

Seriously, how can you be misogynistic in sixth grade? That's like the one year in life where all the girls are bigger than you. I wouldn't be running my mouth about Allison if Allison could hang me by my underwear on the flagpole. The solution to this problem is not to cancel Anderate. Interpol is probably going to do that for us. Because even if he disappeared, someone else would take his place and spew toxic shit at young boys just as well. And social media algorithms would pump it into young boys' eyes and ears just as fast. Because that's really all this is about.

Ander Tate is not interested in being a role model. He wants clicks for money. He doesn't want to raise your son. He's taking dad's seat at the table, but he's really the loudmouth uncle. That uncle who seems cool when you're a kid, but when you grow up, you realize living in a hotel is not a vacation.

What we need is an alternative, positive narrative for young men to follow. And it's ironic that these guys are talking about taking the red pill and using these matrix metaphors because if you're looking for a complex, emotionally available male role model to counter their bullshit idea of manhood, just look at the guy who took the red pill. Gianni Reeves. Janarievs. This is a man who is wildly considered to be kind and decent. He donates huge sums of money to cancer research. He gives up his seat to women on the subway. He bought Sandra Bullock champagne and truffles because she had never had them before. He's the perfect man. Yeah.

Yeah. them before. He's the perfect man. Maybe his movies glorify gun violence but nobody's perfect. And that makes him even more perfect because our children shouldn't strive for perfection. That will only make them sad. And those movies sometimes are pretty cool. The point is, young boys need a cultural role model who is kind and comfortable in his skin. Not guys who are so fragile in their masculinity that they can't puff a cigar without putting it on every social media platform like they invented fire. Hell, Keanu Reeves, he isn't even on social media.

That's how healthy he is. So, so, as a society, we have two options. We can either follow Kiano Reeves around and put everything he does on Tick-Tock, or probably better, we make sure that the conversation about modern society includes a role for men that young boys can look up to. Because long story short, if we don't talk to our boys, Andrew Tate is going to talk to them. And that means, 10 years from now, I'm going to be talking to to to to to to to boys, Andrew Tate is gonna talk to them. And that means, 10 years from now, I'm gonna be talking to him.

All right, stay too. When we come back, Ryan Holiday, we'll be joining me on the show. Don't go away. Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is considered one of the leading stewards of Stoic philosophy. He's behind the Daily Stoic, stillness is the key, the obstacle is the way, and much more. Please welcome Ryan Holiday. the obstacle is the way and much more please welcome ryan holiday i've been i've been i've been a fan of the times you're a popular man you're a twelve best selling books uh... that's a lot of the fennie yours for

quite some time you're a popular man twelve bestselling books uh... that's a lot of books that's a lot of books. That's almost more books than I've read. But you have a lot of fans out there from very successful comedians like myself to folks in the NFL, to senators. Sort of what you speak to goes across many aisles, if you will. And I will say, I've taken a lot from some of the ideas you have. I will also say that you kind of, you talk about philosophy and it helps me work th. th. th. th. th. And I th. And I the th. And I th. their th. I th. I their, I th. I th. I th. I their, I thi. I thi. I thi. thi. I thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their, thi. thi. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi. thi. thi. the. theateateateate. te. te. theate. their, their, their, their, their, their, their will also say that you kind of you talk about philosophy and it helps me work through life and then a byproduct is then I go home and I tell my wife how she should work through life. That's a great idea. Yeah. And I'm just before we get started I wonder if it's possible for you to apologize to my wife for me. People asked my wife what it's like living with the stoic philosopher and she usually answers I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. th. th. th. th. I th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, the th, th, the the the th, th, the th, th the thi, the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. I thi. I thi. I'm theeeeeeateeeateeeeateeeeeateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee philosopher and she usually answers, I don't know.

That feels Socratic, but mostly maybe it's just passive aggressive. Yes. One of us writes about it and then the other is sort of naturally it. It kind of lives it. For those who don't know a stoic philosopher, what are the tenets of stoicism? If I had to summarize in one sentence I would say it's this idea that we don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life. And the Stoic say that basically every situation, big ones, small ones, ones you wanted, ones you didn't want, it's all an opportunity to respond with these four virtues. The virtues are courage, discipline, justice, and wisdom. So the idea is that that is what life is asking from you to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiolioli. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the thi. thi. I I thi. thi. thoee. toee. toeeeeee. toeeeoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooe. toe. the. thoe So the idea is that that is what life is asking from you,

one or all of those virtues in some kind of a combination. That's what it's demanding of you. And what's cool about the Stoics is, like, I think when people hear philosopher, they think like, you know, a Tweed jacket or an old white guy in a toga or whatever. Sure. But the stoics were philosophers, they philosophers, the philosophers, the philosophers, thi philosophers, thi philosophers, thi philosophers, thi philosophers, thiahahahahahahahs thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi tho but the stoics were were philosophers they were thingers but they were also doers. The most well-known stoic is Marcus Aurelius who's the emperor of Rome, the philosopher king, but there were

stoics who were slaves who were soldiers, who were artists. There were men and women. They were people trying to do which is make sense of the crazy world that we live in. Right. But these image of themiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiaia. their. their. their. their. their. th. thiii. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thoes. thoes. thoic. thoic. thoic. thoic. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tooes. tooes. tooes. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to too. to to to too. to tooes. tooes. tooes. tooes. tooic. the tooes. tooe. tooe. tooeoeoic. tooe. tooe. to to to to to to the crazy world that we live it. Right, but these image of them, Marcus Aurelius, doesn't seem like the most modern person that people are drawn to. Why do you think there's, don't get me wrong. Why do you think there's resonance today? Yeah, I mean, we have a hard time. We're kicking Rosa parks out of libraries in Florida. So it feels like try try try try the wea the wea thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi, thi. thin. thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. tho. try to, I mean, maybe the fact that it's a white guy from back of the day makes it easier

in places like Florida. But I think we have a hard time with grappling with historic ideas. These feel archaic. Why are they resonant? I actually think that life hasn't changed that much, good and bad. Obviously we've made all sorts of progress in the the the th and th and thi., th., th., th., th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tho. tho. thoom. thoom. thi. thoes. thoes. thoes. thoes. thoes. thoes. thoes. the thi. the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. We's, th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I's, th. I. th. I. th. th. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. t t toe. to. toeee. I's. toeeea. I'm. I'm too. I'm together. I'm thaea. I'm thauu. I'm thau. I'm time life is still life. In one passage in meditations Mark's realized is like when you're struggling to get out of bed in the morning and you go but it's so much warmer here under the covers he goes but

is this what you were put here to do to stay under the covers and be warm? He says no you have a purpose you should help people you should make a a positive difference in the world you should do what you're uniquely suited to do. So even 2,000 years ago, the most powerful man in the world was like, ah, I don't want to get up. It's too early. And that's because he was a person. And Marcus also lived through a pandemic. He lived through social unrest. There was an insurrection and a coup, right?

Some of this might be sounding familiar. At least the laziness does. Yes, yes. Life is life. People are people. And for better, for worse, that's going to always stay the same. It feels like what is active? I mean, there's been philosophy for at least 20 years. We'll fact check that, but I know it's been around a while. There's many tenets of philosophy.

It feels like an element of stoicism is that it feels actionable around your emotions. Is that fair to say? Yeah, it's not this thing that you think about. It's this thing you're supposed to do. So some of the stoics, the great stoics never wrote anything down. They were considered stoics because of how they lived. It was the idea of deeds not words. So yes, I struggle with it in my own life, but I try to actually put the ideas into

practice. They're not philosophy. It's a shame if we think of philosophy as a series of thought exercises, right? How do we know if we're living in a computer simulation, right? Or is there such a thing as right and wrong? like we can use it to answer these abstract, impractical questions, or we can use it as a way to make things impossibly complicated. Or we can use it to really simplify things and go, who am I? What am I supposed to do? How do I make the best out of this complicated, messy situation?

That's what I think philosophy is. And it's a shame that so thi thi thue thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi is thi is thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th is th is th is th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is th is th is thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, theeeeooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... the. the, shame that so few people have access to it or that it's been made accessible to them in a way that would help them make better decisions and be better people. Alright, so real life philosophy. I'm with my son at a store and he throws a shit fit. And it's screaming and doesn't want to leave. And I'm embarrassed, I'm exhausted. How do I use philosophy in a moment like that?

Well I think what we do is we don't do what the guy on the plane did, which is throw, which is throw our own tantrum in response. Right? So first of a story. I don't know where he's studied. The idea is we only control ourselves, right? So our kids thrown a tantrum and we have to say, okay, I'm not going to make this situation worse by freaking out.

I'm also going to say, I'm going to strip out the part of me from my own upbringing, from society that says, this is a reflection on me as a person, right, that it's reflecting that I'm a failure a failure a failure a failure a failure a failure, I'm a failure, I'm a failure, I'm a failure, I'm a failure, I'm a failure, I'm a failure, I'm a failure, I'm a failure, I'm a failure, I'm a failure, I'm a failure, I'm a failure, I'm a failure, I'm a failure, I'm a failure, I's reflecting that I'm a failure, I'm embarrassing myself, everyone's looking at me, everyone who has kids knows exactly what's happening and they're too busy with their own life to even think about you for the most part. And then I think another part of it is understanding why they're feeling that way, right? Which is, hey, they don't to be doing this, right? Life is hard. It's, it it it it. It's, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard, it's to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the to, the their, to, to, their, their, to, their, their, their, to, their, their, to, their, their, to, their, this, right? Life is hard. It's hard to be a two-year-old, right? And when we understand that people are dealing with their own crap, right, it gives us empathy and compassion and patience for those people. And so if you can try to think, well why do they think this is a good way to respond? What are they trying to get? How do I resolve the situation as opposed to solving it with force, solving it with, you know, rushing out of the situation,

or just having a meltdown because the whole thing is overwhelming. Now, we're regulating emotions here using stoicism, but are we just creating robots? Like, is this Elon Musk territory here? No, no, no, no. Stoicism is not about making you a better sociopath. It's not. Which one is that? What book is that? Is that Kiri Gargurgar guy or? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? No? St? St? St. St. St. St. St. St. Stoicism. Stoicism is? Stoicism? Sto? Sto? Sto? Stoicism is stooicism is stoicism is stoicism is stoicism is stoicism is stooicism is sto sto sto sto sto sto sto sto sto sto sto sto sto sto sto? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St? St. St. St. St. St. Stooicism? Stoicism is? Stoicism is? Stoicism is? Stoicism is? Stoicism is? Stoicism is? Stoicism is? Stoicism is stoicism is stoicism is stoicism is? Stoicism is? Stoicism is? Stoicism is? Sto is that? Do you know? Is that Kirkerga guy or? I think Andrew Tate has some videos about this. Andrew Tate, okay. Okay, good. Okay. The idea is not that you suppress the emotions. It's that you don't be overwhelmed by the situations and make decisions from those emotions, right? So there's a difference between being angry, right, and then doing something out of anger. And I think this is an important distinction that we can miss in the moment.

Someone did something that's upsetting, that's annoying, that caught you off guard. You're going to have your immediate reaction. But there's a lot of space between that and hitting send on the email that you wrote, dresing them down. Or you're getting mad at your kid. them down, right? Or, you know, you're getting mad at your kid because they're having the meltdown, and you can stop yourself part of the way through, because you're older, because you know, you know what this looks like. And so the idea is have the emotions, process the emotions, try not to make bad decisions from

those emotions, and that we have power along this spectrum. Now, there's a criticism of stoicism too about, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think what I appreciate with some of this is the idea that it takes response and it breaks it down in little bits and pieces. And I know this main tenet that like being aware of what you can control and what you cannot, and being able to let go of the things you cannot control. I think a criticism of criticismicism is if you look at, is it a philosophy that comes from a place of privilege? Sure. For people that are in situations where, even institutional situations, you look at things like racism,

activism movements, where like, the situation that they cannot control is one that is inherently oppressive. Is stoicism teaching you how to accept those things and not push back? Is there inherent privilege in there? It's hard to get more privilege than the Emperor of Rome, right? But the philosopher that influences Marcus Reelis more than any other philosopher who he quotes in his writings all the time is this guy named Epictetus who is a slave. The exact opposite of Marcus. You have extreme power, and you have extreme powerlessness.

And yet, they're all human beings. They're all dealing with the hand that life deals us. And they're trying to make the best of it and trying to have the most impact that they can in the world despite and because of that. So the stoics occupy a wide range of positions in society, but most of all the stoics are active in public life. In fact, this is the big distinction. People have heard of the word epicurian or the epicurians. The epicurians sort of retreat from public life. They study philosophy and they go,

let's just hang out in this cool garden, we'll drink, we'll have fun, we'll enjoy life, we'll not be disturbed by things, we'll do our own thing. Well, the Stoics say, but if you do that, who does that seed the field to? Like you were saying your thing, it cedes it to the worst people. And the Stoics' idea is that unless something prevents them, they will get involved in public life. They will try to contribute. They will try to make make make make make make make make a make make a make a make a make a make a make a positive make a positive make a positive make a positive make a positive make a positive make a positive make a positive make a positive make a positive make a positive make a positive make a positive positive to the founders, you know, in the Renaissance. All throughout history, the stoics have been involved in social movements and positive changemaking.

Because, yes, there's a lot we don't control, but we do control what we do. We control whether we vote, whether we go out to a protest, whether we speak out about something. So courage is one of the virtues. Justice is another virtue. Discipline is a virtue, and then wisdom is a virtue. All of these, I think, propel us into being informed and then being active in the world. How do we utilize something like this? So I go on the road.

I talk to philosophy. I go to bourbon as well. A hell of a philosophy. I don't know if you know the philosopher, Booker's, he's great. McCallon is a great one, a Scottish philosopher. He's great. But I do find elements of like, again, controlling your response and your temper, and also empathy, help me get out of things like that.

People also, I talk to a lot of people who are really frustrated what's going on. Both sides of the aisle, they're scary times. People turn to God. I think less and less people are turning to God. What do you say and what can people find in philosophy that can help them, they, they, tho, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, tomomomomorrow, tha, tha, tha, thea, thea, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tom, tom, tom..a, tomorrow, tomorrow, tha, thau.a, thau.a, thau.a, thau.a, thau.a, thau.a, thau.a, tha stoic philosophy, they can help them, they can provide a balm to two days where you wonder just how long, well we're going to be able to fight this battle, whether it's climate change, whether it's democracy, whether it's just getting up in the morning. Yeah, philosophy at its best is what they call the guide to the good life, to human flourishing,

not just a happiness, but productivity, productivity, productivity, productivity, productivity, productivity, productivity, productivity, productivity, productivity, productivity, productivity, productivity, productivity, and productivity, and productivity, and productivity, and productivity, and productivity, and productivity, and productivity, and productivity, and productivity, and productivity, and productivity, productivity and purpose and meaning, and being able to endure suffering and pain and loss as we all have to go through in life. But I think if we can see philosophy as something we lean on, something that gives us counsel, that's really helpful, not as this thing that only people in universities do, but that it's like there for all of us. I think one of the problems is as those other people in universities do, but that it's like there for all of us. I think one of the problems is, as those other systems have fallen away, whether people are turning away from the church,

or they're disillusioned with higher education, or they're disillusion with the media, like where do they go? They go to randomize those feelings or those doubts or those emotions of those people and so you know people end up down these dead ends and I and we can pity them but also understand that like that's not a good way to go. How do you I mean because you're you're all over the internet you you have you have newsletters you put on Instagram videos all the time I think you've taken something that seems th. th. to to to to to to the to the the to the to the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the all the time. I think you've taken something that seems to live in libraries in dusty back rooms, and you brought it to people's phones.

How do you balance using a medium that has zero depth and is destroying our conversations, but also is the way in which you can talk to kids in 20-second snippets? I do think it's important that we go to people where they are, right? and take what we think think think think th think th think think th think th th think think think think think think think think think thin thin thin thin thin thin. thin. I think, think, thi thin' thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I's, thi. I's, the the the thi.... I's, thi.... I's, thi... I th. I thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, the the thin, thin. I thin. I'm, thin. I'm thin. thin. thin. tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom. I'm the th. I'm th. go to people where they are, right? And take what we think is important, what needs to be said, and find out how to, in the same way that I don't speak Latin or Greek, I read the translations of those texts, we have to figure out how to translate these ideas that we want kids to understand, that we want young people to understand, that we need, thr....., their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, in, in, in, in their, in, in, in their, in their, in their, in their, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in their, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in their.. And, in their. And, in the same, in the same, in the same, in the same, in the same, in the same, in the same, in the same, in the same, in the same, in the same, in the same, in the same, in the same, in to translate those into the different mediums where people get their information. And so I love hearing that someone discovered me on YouTube or on Instagram and then they're like, and then I read your books. Because that's what that's the medium.

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You have a book, The Daily Dad that is coming out. How do you use these things to be a better dad, to create better humans to make this world a better place? Yeah, first time, we have to model the stuff. Oh, what? What? Oh, what's the hardest part. Shit.

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sincere and we really like put value, we put stock in the things that we pay lip service to. Do you feel there's like a parenting crisis in America? Well, I think people are struggling with the fact that their parents are struggling, whether it's, you know, they could suck down some internet rabbit hole, or, you know, they're having to work longer than they thought. I do, I do think there is a problem, there's a problem in every generation, but it it tho, but it tho, but it tho, but it's, but it's, but it's, but it's, but it's, but it's, but it's, but it's, but it's, the their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi..... And, thi. thi. thi. thin, thin. thin, thin. thin. thi. thi. thin. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th problem, there's a problem in every generation, but it's not just the millennials and the young people that are struggling, you know what I mean? There's a joke I heard that, you know, all the things that my parents warned us about, that warned us was going to happen to us on the internet, it happened to them. You know? Yeah.

Yeah. to a healthy philosophical diet. Obviously, you talk a lot about stoicism, but people who are interested, myself included, it, one, they should go toward your books. They should go to the ideas of Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus, Seneca, things of that nature. But also, is it healthy to indulge in other great philosophers? Do you find yourself, do you find yourself having to be defined by one particular philosophy? No we should read widely we should put anything to use that's good for us. One of the stokes Seneca he says read like a spy in the enemy's

camp right he says I'll quote a bad author if the line is good right so it doesn't matter who said it what matters is it is it true and does it help you get better at being a parent a person a professional a professional, whatever it is? Is it of use? That's what matters. If you had to replace a philosophy quote, if you had to replace live, laugh, love, one of my faves. One of my faves. What should I, if I take that down from my living room.

I need a nice sign at home. What should I look at every day? Marcus opens book two of meditations with a thought. He says, today, the people you will meet will be jealous and stupid and annoying and obnoxious and mean. Right? He goes on. Yes. He's preparing for the day ahead. And so some people think this is depressive, this is depressive, this is depressive, this is depressive, this is depressive, this is depressive, this is depressive, this is depressive, this is a this is depressive, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the their, their, their, their their, their, their, the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to be tooes, tooes, tooes, tooes, tooes, tooes, tooes, tooes, too... too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. the too.ressive stoicism that it's best. But then he goes, but you can't hate them and you can't let them implicate you in ugliness.

He says because we're meant to work together, we're like two rows of teeth or two hands, and that we're all part of this large thing together, and that some people are fuling, their role by being the kind of people thian kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind of, thian kind of people that you have to interview. And then the rest of us are doing the best we can. And that is life. I love it. And that is life. Ryan Holiday, everybody. We're truly to check out the Daily Show website and podcast and his latest book, The Daily Dad, is available for us three over now.

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