The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Jordan Klepper Reports On Racist Oklahoma Officials Caught on Tape | Michael Shannon

Episode Date: January 4, 2024

Jordan Klepper tackles the latest headlines, including the implications of the Fox News and Dominion settlement, plus the racist recordings of Oklahoma officials caught on tape. Jordan Klepper goes back to his home state of Michigan to have a beer with Governor Gretchen Whitmer and discuss the future of gun reform and abortion rights in the state. Plus, Actor Michael Shannon discusses the importance of Waco and why he felt the need to revisit it in “Waco: The Aftermath". See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Do Nice Guys Really Finish Last. I'm Tim Harford, host of the Cautionary Tales podcast, and I'm exploring that very question. Join me for my new mini-series on the Art of Fairness. From New York to Tahiti will examine villains undone by their villainy. Monstrous, self-devaring egos and accounts of the extraordinary power of decency. Listen on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You're listening to Comedy Central. From New York City, the only city in America. It's the show that invented news. This is The Daily Show with, I'm Jordan Clepper. It is my third night hosting the show and I'm

finally starting to get some respect. This morning the show's security guy called me Mr. Clepper instead of Slender Man. So, really making progress. We got a great show for you tonight. My guest tonight is Michael Shannon. So, let's get into headlines. Let's begin with Fox News, which yesterday agreed to pay $787.5 million for saying Dominion Voting Machines help Joe Biden steal the election. Although now that more details of the settlement have come out it turns out it's not all bad news for Fox. The deal sparing Fox from what would have been a very high-profile trial with some of the network's own stars likely testified. Dominion's legal team says there will be no on-air apologies or retractions on Fox News.

In a statement the network is saying, this settlement reflects Fox's continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards. That's right, high journalistic standards like this. The Green M&M daughter Boots Back, but apparently is now lesbian maybe. Yeah. Look, I'm happy for Dominion. The Green Eminem got her boots back, but apparently is now a lesbian, maybe? Look, I'm happy for Dominion, but Dominion was not the only injured party here. What about, you know, our faith in democracy? There are people who will not trust elections for the rest of their lives.

And I have to talk to those people. I'm going to be argue with them at trump rallies every four years for the rest of my life. And you know what? I'm not naive. I didn't expect this lawsuit to restore our country's faith in elections. Or even for me to get a little cashola. No. But I was at least hoping to get a couple weeks of joy out of seeing Sean Hannity up there on the stand, sweating through his shirt like a beach manate. Would that have saved democracy? I don't know, but it would have been nice to see. But we're not going to get any of that. They don't even have to apologize on air. And frankly, we deserve that. Bare minimum. Yes, we deserve that bare minimum. Yes you deserve that. And you know what? If the settlement won't give it to you then I shall. There's much fallout this evening and there will be for months we are admitting

that we lied to you for saying the wrong things about the 2020 election. Now why is that? Well the truth is Donald Trump lost the election and no we didn't tell you because we don't care what you to to you you you you you you you you you you you you th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the thi thi the the the the the the the that we that we that that that we the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to th. to to to to to to to the to the the to the the to the the the the to to the to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to the the the the the that? Well the truth is Donald Trump lost the election and no we didn't tell you because we don't care what you think. Now we have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars. We were wrong. We are completely irresponsible and we're sorry America. I'm sorry for repeating something that was untrue. I'm sorry I just got to take a quick break and go cry in a closet while squeezing a stuffed animal. Thank you, Tucker.

Well, sir. Let's move on, because luckily there are people out there doing the hard work of real investigative journalism. People like Bruce Willingham. He runs the McCurton Gazette news out of middle of nowhere, Oklahoma. Now Bruce suspected that the local sheriff and other officials were doing county business after meetings ended. So he secretly recorded them and when he played the tape back he heard them talking about him and his son who was also a reporter and it was

not flattering. The recordings captured the group talking about hiring hitmen to kill the reporters and where the bodies could be hidden. Holy shit. You can't threaten to kill journalists in a council meeting. Keep that shit on Twitter like a normal person. Although you can tell that some people were a little more integral to this plot than others, because one guy was like, I know two hitmen. And another guy is like, and I know two holes. Yeah, thanks for the contribution, Larry.

We'll let you know if we need to use your connection with the, the holes, the holes, the holes, the holes, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thanks for the contribution, Larry. We'll let you know if we need to use your connection with the holes. And by the way, how strapped for time are people in this town that they have to pre-dig murder holes? Are you so fucking busy that you can't do the hole after you do the murder? Or maybe it's like carrying an umbrella? Like the day you don't have the hole is when you end up killing someone someone someone someone someone someone would be bad enough if plotting to throw local journalists into holes, pre-dug, or otherwise, was all that the county sheriff and his friends were caught doing on these tapes. But guess what? They moved on to something else.

On that same audio recording, the people talking shared their dismay that lynching black people is no longer acceptable. I want to tell you something. If we were back in the days, what does that, that would take a damn blackjack whoopped their ass to throw them in the cell, I'd run the fucking chair. Yeah. Well, it's not like that. I know. Like a mud creek them up with the damn rope. But you can't do that. They got more rocks than we got. Wow. Someone tell these cops that they have the right to remain silent. And you can tell this thing was going to go badly as soon as they said back in the day.

No sentence in the south ever goes well after the phrase, back in the day. It's never like, back in the day day It's never like, back in the day, we lived in a rich multicultural tapestry. What's crazy is these reporters weren't even looking for racism and assassination plots. They were hoping to catch improper meeting procedures. It's like if you put a security camera up in the office to see which employee

was stealing your yogurts, and you caught them doing a human sacrifice. You'd be like, oh my god, I've stumbled upon the most unholy rituals and oh my god, they're eating my chobani! For more on this story, we go live to Oklahoma and Roy Wood Jr. Roy! Really? What's going on tho' tho'n' tho' th. This is an astounding scoop. Shady sheriffs caught talking about murder, hitmen, being racist.

What a story. Mm-hmm, and thank you for sending me exactly to where it happened. Jordan, here's the thing. If you put a recorder next to any sheriff, any sheriff for just a few minutes, you're going to hear some racism. That's why I don't trust, I don't trust none of these sheriffs. I don't trust Andy Griffith. I don't trust Woody from Toy Story.

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Luther King was talking about. No, no, that's what Martin Luther King was talking about. I had a poster of his speech in my college dorm room, Roy, and they're not just talking about killing white people, they're talking about killing white. they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, the white, they, their, their, their, their, their, they're the, thi, thi, thi, they're th. That's th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. That's th. That's th. That's th. That's th. That's th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. That's th. That's th. That's th. That's thi, thi, thi. That's theee. theeei. thea, that that that that that th lion-hearted, ivory-skinned, Michigan-born reporters, whoever they may be... Stop being a bitch, man! What you're so scared of, man? I'm not saying that they should kill white people. I'm saying we can agree that it's better than killing black people. No. Roy, we cannot agree on that. Oh, so you're saying it's better to kill black people? No, no, no, Roy, I'm they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they they they, they they, they they they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they're they're they're they're they're they're the, they are, th they are, tha, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are,. No. Roy, we cannot agree on that. Oh, so you're saying it's better to kill black people. No, no, Roy, I'm not saying that.

No, that's what you just said. Roy, I want them to kill us both equally, all right? Okay. These cops shouldn't be talking about killing anybody anyway. Yeah, but can you blame them? Look at this small-ass, jay-k-ass building, man. They work in this building every day. If I had to spend my whole day in a space that small, I'd be racist, too. Old tiny ass, no ventilation-having-ass place. Look, man, if you're a white man, and your life has led you to a job.

In this building, you gotta blame somebody. That is where it be us. This look like the third house from the three little pigs. Okay, right, right. Yeah, enough about the building. Let's talk more about the audio recording. Let's talk about the audio recording and how they weren't able to see a tape recorder in this small-ass building. The tape recorder probably took up half the room. You know they felt the heat from the batteries. They was probably in the room just looking up, oh, I'm sorry. What did you say about lynching? I can't hear you over this tape recorder. Okay. What do you think should happen to these officers, Roy? I think what should happen to

the officers is very simple, Jordan. They plotted a murder, they plotted a murder, which last I check is a crime. So for the good of society, we cannot entrust these types of people with protecting the citizens of Oklahoma. They have to be locked up. They have to be placed in solitary confinement, because then they'd have more breathing room than they had in this damn tiny-ass ass building. It's small, man. You can't even fart in this. I'm sorry, I am. It's Roywood, Jr., everybody. Roywood. All right, all right. Well, we'll come back.

I'm going home. Don't go away. It's been that nigh skies finish last. But is that really true? I'm Tim Harford, host of The Cautionary Tales podcast, and I'm exploring that very question. Join me for my new miniseries on the Art of Fairness. We'll travel from New York to Tahiti to India on a quest to learn how to succeed without being a jerk.

We'll examine stories of villains undone by their villainy and monstrous self-devaring egos and we'll delve into the extraordinary power of decency. We'll face mutiny on the vast Pacific Ocean, blaze a trail with a pioneering skyscraper, and dare to confront a formidable empire. The art of fairness on cautionary tales. Listen on the IHart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or I am here to tell you about my new podcast, The Weekly Show, it's going to be coming out every Thursday. So exciting, you'll be saying to yourself, TGID. Thank God it's Thursday we're going to be talking about. All the things that hopefully obsess you in the same way that they obsess me. The election. Economics.

Earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're gonna be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. And I know that I listed that fourth, but in importance, it's probably second. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday? I mean, talk about innovative. Listen to the Daily Show. Florida gets a lot of attention because of how Florida it is.

But it's not the only state out there. That's not the only state out there. That's why I traveled to Michigan, my home state, to interview its governor Gretchen Whitmer about how she's making Michigan the opposite of Florida. Last fall, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer crews to re-election win against a trump-backed election denier. Democratic control of both the Statehouse and Senate has allowed her to make unfettered progress on infrastructure, abortion rights, and gun regulations.

And now just passed 100 days into her second term, I wanted to hear what's next, so I went back home to Michigan to lend my support to the vital local beer making economy. In Michigan, we pre-game with our friends and families before Wolverine Saturday, and now apparently before interviews with the governor. We'll do a Michigan test to see your sobriety. Can you spell Ipsilanic? Y-P-S-I-N-N-A-R-B-O-R. Wow, okay, you pass. That's good.

Thank you. Governor, is this sort of like an opposite AOC, you know, a successful politician becomes a bartender? Yeah, I mean, I'm going to have to have some skills after this is done. I just want to remind you the governor cannot accept any cash tips, but I can. So whatever you want to leave, that'd be great. And remember, things cost three times as much in New York, so typically. Well, he should move back to Michigan Michigan Michigan Michigan Glad to be here with you. It's happy to be here in a Michigan health food store, a micro brewery. It doesn't get better. It's Michigan agriculture, Michigan beer.

Right? This is a special one to me because I'm from Kalamazoo and my little son took his first steps in the back of Bell's brewery. Well, then did you put goes Trump in 2016, Biden in 2020, it goes you overwhelmingly in 2022. What's happening in Michigan? We are the most diverse swing state in the country and I think that's what makes it so great. It's also why you got to listen to people. You got to talk to people and you got to try to solve problems instead of just feed froncies and anger. Yeah, here in Michigan, the head of the GOP internally elected, Q&O it on sympathizer, election denier, calling Democrats demonic.

Well, the head of the GOP to your point said that both Beyonce and yoga are satanic. You have to walk the line on satanic Beyonce? No. I'm always going to make it a sea at the table for someone who actually wants to solve to solve to solve the the the to solve the the the the the the the the the the the to solve the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the GOP. the GOP. the GOP the GOP the G. the G. the G. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the GOp. the the the the the the G. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the GOPOP the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the GOPp.op.op.to walk the line on satanic Beyonce? No, I'm always going to make it a sea at the table for someone who actually wants to solve problems regardless of what their political meant is, but I don't have time for people who want to call Beyonce satanic. It's a big hunting culture here. You're about to pass some some big gun control measures here. What do you say to the gun owners here who still really, really want to kill deer? You don't need fancy words, you don't need any gimmicks,

you can still hunt and enjoy, you can still be a lawful gun owner. Most gun owners believe that there should be background checks and safe storage. I mean, you know, Indiana has done this. I mean, these are not wild, you know, changes. It's just simply trying to make people safer. I like how you say that. I mean, if Indiana can do it, we can do it.

I mean, right? Abortion is usually a topic Democrats run from, or at least making a centerpiece of their campaigns. You did, and you've taken bold action on that. Is that a recipe for national elections? The Midwest is a great place to see that you can win on abortion. People expect to have these rights. We've had them for 50 years. We expect our kids to be able to make their own decisions

about their bodies and their futures. Now you repealed the 1931 abortion law? Are there any other laws on the books from back then that are worth looking back into? Is there like a... Oh yeah we got a lot of zombies that. Are they in there? Yeah, well... Zombie killer, yes. Death penalty for swing dancing? Is that in there? Spring in Michigan means potholes are everywhere and the governor has invested billions on infrastructure as part of her promise to fix the damn roads. As someone who blew a few tires here their their their their tooom. tooom. to tooom. to to to to their. their. their. their. their. their. their. tooom. their. tooom. tooom. their. to. to. their. their. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. to. t. to. to. t. to. tom. tomorrow. tomorrow. t. As someone who blew a few tires here in my high school days, I knew it was my duty to help. All working men and women wear a car hurt. And so does

Jordan. Okay. All right, Governor. All right. Ready to do some work? So, hey, you got kind of pretty shoes on. And for me, I'd like to be foreman or whatever corporate person is in the air-conditioned office. Bellus, let me pull out my watch. What time is it? Time to fix the damn wrong. You know what this is right here? This is a spatula right? This is what we call work around here. So we handing you a little work and I know you got nice pants on so so try not to get too much work on. Yeah if this is actually an impediment I can actually stand and I could watch the work and see how it goes. Don't do that. Okay. We pick some potholes, drink some Oberons, and perhaps most importantly established that my home

state is definitely not Florida. Other states are waging kind of wars against different parts of their population. I think a lot of politicians just want to pick fights and get headlines and whether it's picking a fight with Mickey Mouse or moving backwards to the early 1900s, it's so much easier to show up and to listen to people and know it really matters. So we're trying to make Michigan a place where every business can thrive and every person has rights and freedoms to make their own decisions and to live the life they want and be successful here in Michigan. You're progressive on guns on abortion rights it feels like the Michigan hand it's a welcoming hand. It is it's

it's freedom. If Michigan is a hand what is Florida that looks like a what? I mean it looks like a... I'm not going there. I'm just saying and it's... One peninsula. It's one peninsula that's urinating on our democracy. At times. Your words. My words. Fair. Stay tuned because we come back Michael Shannon will be joining me on the show, don't go away. It's been said that Nice Skies Finish Last. But is that really true? I'm Tim Harford, host of The Cautionary Tales podcast, and I'm exploring that very question. to thrown the.

Join me for my new miniseries on the Art of A. host of The Cautionary Tales podcast, and I'm exploring that very question. Join me for my new miniseries on the Art of Fairness. We'll travel from New York to Tahiti to India on a quest to learn how to succeed without being a jerk. We'll examine stories of villains undone by their villainy, and monstrous self-devaring egos, and will delve into the extraordinary power of decency. We'll face mutiny on the vast Pacific Ocean, blaze a trail with a pioneering skyscraper, and dare to confront a formidable empire. The art of fairness on cautionary tales.

Listen on the I-Heart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hey everybody, John Stewart here. I am here to tell you about my new podcast, the weekly show coming out every Thursday. We're going to be talking about the election, earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredientthe election, earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back to the Daily Show.

My guest tonight is an Academy Award-dominated actor who can currently be seen in the Showtime series Waco The Aftermath. Please welcome Michael Shannon. Wow. This is exciting. Michael, welcome. Thanks, Michael. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Now, this series, today's the 30th anniversary of the Waco siege. Yeah, and I know this series, today's the 30th anniversary of the Waco Siege.

Yeah, and I know this series, you did a series that looked at the Waco Siege and now this is revisiting it. It's the aftermath. What is it about Waco that made you want to return to this story? Well yeah, I mean, a lot of people, when I told them I was making a sequel to Waco, they said, didn't, the thn, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, their, their, the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, the, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, the, the, and, the, the, the, and, the, and, and, and, the, and, the, and, and, the, and, their, their, and, and their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi?ea, today, thi, thi, thi, thi? And, thi, and, and, they? And, and, and, and, and of people, when I told them I was making a sequel to Waco, they said, didn't you do it all? I mean, that was the whole thing, right? And, you know, granted, that was the event, yes, but obviously an event like that is like a meteor crashing into the earth, you know, it's going to have seismic consequences, and and I really think it's worth exploring, you know, thiiii thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I thi, I that, I tho, I tho, I that's that was that was that was that was that was that's tho, I tho, I th all, I th all, I th all, I th all, I th all, I th all, I th all, I th all, I th all, th all, th all, that all, that all that all that all that all that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, I mean, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th it's worth exploring you know these these incidents they don't just exist in a vacuum and they everything is

connected and everything leads to the next thing and that's what was so worthwhile to explore. Yeah I mean you look at Waco and it's sort of in many ways if not the birth of the modern militia movement definitely part of the trajectory for it, right? Yeah, and just sewing, you know, this distrust in the government, you know, a lot of times, when I think about anarchy, I think, well, what is it that really frightens people about anarchy? What is the thing that you would lose in an state of anarchy that is so significant?

And the answer that I keep coming up with is, well, the government keeps you safe. Like the government exists in order to keep the population safe, taken care of. And if the government isn't doing that, it's really kind of worthless. Like, they're, like, they're, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the their, their, their, their, their, their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and, and their, and their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, in, in a a a their, in a their, in their, and their, and their, and their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their state. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and their, and their their their their their their, and the population safe, taking care of, and if the government isn't doing that, it's really kind of worthless. Like there is no reason for it to exist. And it does that in a variety of ways, you know, whether it's, you know, the most obvious way is just keeping us safe from harm, but also helping us to take care of ourselves and be able to take care of ourselves and be able to take care of ourselves and live somewhere where we don't have to worry about our own well-being all the time.

Like that's as far as I can tell why it's there. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think in an ideal sense, yes, right? Now, I spent a lot of time out in the road. I talk to a lot of folks who have this inherent distrust in the government, right? They don't see it as something that serves a role to support and to protect. It's something you should be distrustful of.

I think Waco is an experience that was complicating for a lot of folks. It was the government didn't handle it, perhaps the series at a time that was pre what happened in January 6th. The series originally looks at sort of this extremism and now since then we've seen what is extremism in a series like that now make its way onto the front pages, onto the steps of the Capitol. January 6th has now happened. How does that affect approaching telling the story again? Well geez, I mean it just makes me wonder like, because things keep happening that you think there's no way this could ever happen.

And then it happens. And so I'm like, well, what's the next thing after January 6? And what's fascinating is the fellow I'm playing, Gary Nessner, who's an actual real person, has an incredible book. I highly recommend everybody read called Stalling for Time. But Waco is one chapter in his book, as like I said, as cataclysmic an event as it was, it's only, he's got all these incidents that he's dealt with over the years on micro and macro levels. And he is very reluctant.

He's not, he's not looking to vilify anybody or say, oh, you know, and he would agree that that that situation in Waco was an incredibly complicated situation and he has doubts himself about how he handled it. He certainly has doubts about how other people handled it, but he doesn't think there's like a big bad wolf or anything like that. But I think it's extraordinarily compelling, I think this story, and I think it's extraordinarily valuable to realize that no matter how outlandish an event is, that there is something even more outlandish just around the corner. And I think that that's, I think that's why the story is worth keeping in the forefront of our minds.

I also think it's worth... Are you telling that because you're a storyteller and you're like, next seat, like you want, you've gotten two things done it already, you're like, and you think you've seen this so far? The after aftermath, are we pitching it now? Well, there are actually, you know, Gary and I, because the the the the the th, I have, I have, th, th, th, th, th, th, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, I thi, I's, I, I's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, thi, thi, thoooooooo.. I'm, the thooo. the the the the thooooooo. the. the. thi, you're, you're, you know, Gary and I, because Gary and I have actually become a very good friend. You bought the IP, I see what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well Gary, I think it's important to point out too that I'm absolutely nothing like Gary.

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and I've heard other people of friends of mine say this, particularly the Doudles, the Daudal Brothers who made the show, who are just, John and Drew, who are just beautiful, people and they really really care like it's not easy to make a show like this there's going to be a lot of resistance it's like really is kind of a drag you want us just you know like yeah we need to do this and like resistance because it's inherently a political story yeah that's part of it it's also unpleasant you know it's pretty pretty darn unpleasant

it's Texas but I think one of the things is valuable also about it is that it proves that no matter what side of this debate or issue that you're on, everyone is capable of having a flawed perspective. Everyone is. And that that's also an important thing to remember. And a lot of people pay lip service to that. It's like, well, it's not until we reach across the aisle or whatever find a common ground. But I think it's really interesting in this situation, in this story, to see how that really is not easy to do for either side. And how complicated that truly can be in practice, not just as like a catchy slogan, but something that you actually do.

Yeah, well it's vulnerable to secede any kind of ground, right? So yeah, the admitting that your point of view might be flawed could put you in a position where you suddenly now lose ground to this other side. I feel like we're constantly fighting those battles today. Well, particularly when there are actually lives on the line. Like it's not just Thanksgiving and you're not threatening to throw sweet potatoes at your uncle. It's like there are people in a very life and death situation and decisions have to get made very quickly. Now, switching gears a little bit here. I'm from Chicago.

I know your reputation. I saw you in Chicago perform. Not only are you wonderful on the big screen, but also live in theater. And I know not only do you do live theater. I know you also perform music. You cover historic bands and theater and I know not only do you do live theater, I know you also perform music, you cover historic bands and their historic albums, I know you also do improv. Is there something, we had a what? What? Yeah, it's sort of, I'm assuming it's like a whose line is anyway type situation, a lot of props and a lot of, I'm kidding, I wouldn't insult long-form improm of that way. I just, I ride the pacifierifier. I'm the pacififif. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm th, I'm the pacifier. I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm assuming, I'm kidding, I wouldn't insult long form and prop that way. I ride the pacifier.

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at one. Not interested. And I also did Second City, which was literally two blocks from your theater. I'm sure you came to see some of that too. Well, that's's not corporate, it's just owned by venture capitalists now. So if that's corporate, then yeah, maybe it's corporate. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm glad you could come on here and help me burn down any bridges I have in Chicago. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, oh, uh, oh, God. Yeah, my God, I'm everyone's favorite arsonist.

On the anniversary of a siege, you came here and you took it to the ground. I appreciate that. Michael Shannon, everyone. New episodes of Waco the Afterbans stream Fridays and Air Sundays on showtime. I'm going to take a quick break and we'll be right back after this. It's been said that Nice Skies finished last. But is that really true? I'm Tim Harford, host of The Cautionary Tales podcast, and I'm exploring that very question. Join me for my new miniseries on the Art of Fairness.

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