The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Jordan Klepper Revisits the MAGAverse

Episode Date: August 24, 2021

Correspondent Jordan Klepper and The Daily Show producer Ian Berger discuss their harrowing visits to MAGA rallies across the U.S., including the January 6 Capitol insurrection. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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honestly, hell, they both deserve a damn vacation to Hawaii. They go time and time and time again into the Magiverse, exploring the craziness that is Trump rallies and Trump everything since, since Trump got into office. Here's a little snippet of old Jordan Clepper. Whenever I hear President, I think of man. It's a man's job. I may be...

Close-minded. No, yeah, well, no. Misogynistic? No. You're voting against your own interests. That's it. Thank you very much. Trump has been grooming his supporters to push back on any impeachment talk with this simple demand. Read the transcript. Read the transcript.

I read the transcript. Read the transcript. Yeah. Did you read the transcript? I don't have to. Everyone else has, I can read it if I can't read it. Right. But it's important.

It's pretty short. The Constitution of America? Yeah. I've not read the whole thing, no. You've read the entire thing. Yes, it's remarkably short. All right. I doubt that, but it's okay. You should read it, because you might be committing a seditious act in an hour and his pieces pieces go go go go go. His pieces go. His pieces go. His pieces go. His. His. His. His. His. His. His. His. His. His. His. His. His. His. His. His. His. toe. His. toe. toe. to. toe. to. His. His. His. His. His. His. His. His. His. to. th. to. to. to. It's, to. It's. It's. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tode. Joining me is Daily Show contributor Jordan Klepper and our field producer, Extraordinaire, who's always there with him, dodging the blows from the Trump supporters, Mr. Ian Berger, Ian Jordan, how are y'all doing again? Do it, good, Roy, thanks for having us. Yeah, thank you, Roy.

Excited to be here. You two are an interesting pairing, because you all are part of the old guard, what we call the old guard in the building. You two are from John the John Stewart era Daily Show and you all have been just banging out like, Clapper, I've already told you this a long time ago. It's not fair to rank, so I'm not going to rank, but I will say you are probably, you take the most risks to me as a correspondent for the sake of comedy. So number one. So number one. Okay listen John Oliver got his nose broken the camera kept rolling. We both would have went to the hospital. So John Oliver tripped

and got his nose broke. Let's not talk about like he was in some hairy situation. Dude was running in a field trip for a B-roll guy and got his nose broken. Hark! Yeah! Freedom! Ah! Ah!

Oh! Oh! Oh! Fair enough. Fair enough. Let's just start with the basics. How are you both doing? Fair enough, fair enough. Let's just start with the basics. How are you both doing?

Like, Berger, I'll start with you. Because you've been in this shit for years just as a, just as a part of the daily show. But just, what does your wife say to you when you go, hey baby, it's time to go out again. Is it like Will Smith and Vivica Fox when it was time to go fight the aliens? Indeed inde inde inde inde inde inde inde inde inde inde inde inde inde inde inde. Indeed. Indeed. Indeed. Indeed. Indeed. Indeed. Indeed. Indeed. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thtime to go out again. Is it like Will Smith and Vivica Fots when it was time to go fight the aliens? Indeed, indeed, it was exactly like that. No, my eyes very supportive, but very also rightfully concerned at times. She always checks to make sure I think what we're doing is safe.

She asks if we have some security with us, which we do. She asked for our plan if things go south. And then especially in the last year, she kind of checks our coronavirus safety protocols and she'll look at pictures of me from the field and kind of text me immediately and be like, I don't feel safe with you being there. I'm like, I'm here, What am I supposed to do? We're in it. I'm not going to hop on a train back to New York right now. But even pre-COVit before you all were going out there, things were getting a little,

a little dicey because, you know, Clepper, the only thing that we ever did on the RNC convention in Cleveland in 2016. We were going around then and it was a different tone. It was a very different tone. So how did these pieces start coming together, Jordan? Well, I think from a very honest point, like all jokes aside, I needed health insurance. I was out of a job, and it's the one thing I can do because everybody else in that building doesn't have the guts to actually go outside and talk to human beings face to face. So once I got through that, I mean, I think, quite honestly, I love doing this stuff.

It's so fun doing that, going to the R&C with you Roy and Berger and I've been doing this for years. Like, it's so fun to be out th in the thick of it. I love the political race. I'd love being a part of that. As stressful as going to those rallies were the first Trump election, 2016. I'd rather be out there a part of it than watching at home screaming on my TV. So as the election came up and 2020 came up again, you know, I found myself with the show I was just working on Clepper ending and talked to Trevor and was like hey I want to be a part of this, I want to go out and do this and he was game for it, Berger was game for it. We'd done pieces at Clepper, at opposition, back at Daily Show as well. So we sort of, you know, Ian and I have been doing this forever and have kind of a shorthand with it and wanted to go out and be a part of it

it I think the experience was different than what we expected we thought we'd be covering all sorts of angles then COVID hits and Trump goes wild and we're suddenly in the middle of an insurrection so things got different but as wild as wild as that gets I'd so much rather be out the thr-I I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm the the the thi. I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. I thi. I thi. I try. I try. I today try. try. today tha try. thal. thal. thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. be out there in the middle of it. Agreed. I can honestly say I actually missed it as well. Prior to this, I was working on a show that's really not political. And we did one interview on this other show with Elizabeth Warren, and it was like, the election was heating up, and I was like, I want to be involved in that again. I really want to be doing that.

And same thing as Jordan kind kind came back to the show, was like, let me go out and risk my life, please. I mean, it is the fun thing. I will say like, Burger and I will text back and forth articles, things we're seeing, wild, insane shit. Then you're having this conversation, that's a luxury at the daily show to have that conversation. It's so much fun fun to be fun to be fun to be fun to be fun to be fun to be fun to be fun to be fun to be fun to be fun to be fun the fun the fun to be fun the the thi thi thi that conversation. It's so much fun to be like, we're talking about this here, and tomorrow we can be on a plane and talk to the person who's starting this conversation, or talk to other people that we can't believe if they believe it.

Let's go talk to them and see what's going out. So like, it is the ultimate luxury. It's what's so great about to see the chaos that is America up close. I'm going to tell you something that myself and some of the other talent in the building was discussing after you had your child. You had your first child not too long ago and we were like, okay, well we know he's going to do some paternity leave to be a father in bond. And everybody, every talent in the building was like, please God don't let Trump do anything fucking stupid while Cleppers out because I don't want to go. Oh my goodness gracious. It was such a relief when you came back to the show

because I want to be honest as a black man I don't want to be out there. How do you deal with the way people look at you when you're showing up to something and you're for sure not welcome? Well, I will say, I mean, you bring up a good point. And Trevor has called this out, like, I do have the luxury of being a white man in America, which allows me to go to certain places and that's not the thing that they're focused on. And so I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I can, I I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I the the the the the the the the the tho, the the tho, the the the the the tho, tho, tho, tho, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, I th. th. th. that, I that, I thr, I thr, I thr, I thr, I thr, thr, thr, thr. throoooooooooo the. the.the folks in a trump rally. Yes I have the camera I have I'm asshole camouflage. But you look like you look like you're there to hear and see you use you look like

undecided white man than a trump rat. Yeah he doesn't have like a sweatshirt on and camo pants so it's not exactly fitting in. Yeah it's the kind of guy who's like thinking about buying a hat. He's got his hand on his back pocket considering, am I really going to wear that hat? I'm already at the rally. The brothers in the office will think this is funny. What if I tell him about his events? It's the guy who's voted for Trump because of economic reasons. Yeah, he's the guy's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's the guy's the guy's the guy's the guy's the guy's the guy's the guy's the guy's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy's the guy's the guy's the guy's the guy's the guy's the guy's the guy's the guy's the guy. He's the guy. He's the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th the th thi the the thi. He's th. He's New York guys, like Brooklyn guys, so like, I think,

I just think that they hate all media, so it doesn't actually matter what we look like. As you said, Roy, if we're walking around and Jordan has a camera following him and a microphone, he's the enemy. Like, you know, unless he was like a recognizable person from Newsmax or something, they're hostile right away. Are you guys the liberal media? the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I just thi thi thi, I just thi. I just thi. I just thi. I just thi. I just thi. I just like, I just like, I just like, I just like, I just like, I just like, I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I just th. I just that that that that that thr that thr thr thr that thr that that that thr. I just that that that that that that that they're hostile right away. Are you guys the liberal media? I have one word for you. You are controlled by the deep stakes. That's like four or five, six words, ten words. That's even two. That's okay. Nice to be out there amongst my people once more.

How's it go guys? You guys are fake dudes. You are brainwashed by the cabal, and I have one word for you, big news. Feehbs. Feehaw, the asylum majority is done with your ass. That's two works. Go fuck yourself, Fullipedia. Go fostk yourself.

You want a message? Go f-foom yourself. And I think that's always been the the is that there's a hostility there mixed with people wanting to one, engage and two, attention. And so we get people who want to talk to us. I think that's always a thing they're like, people sign their name saying it's okay for us to use this. Like, they know they're on camera.

They want to talk. They want to engage. And so once they've gotten past, oh, that's a person with a camera. I hate all camera. I hate all news. Then they engage. And I think there has been an evolution over the last few years, specifically the last year, both of the Trump voter,

who's gotten more angry and frustrated power to claiming their winners and not in power, and that has changed the whole vibe. And also for, like, our videos were pretty well seen, and so we kind of arrived there as well, and that adds a new element to it. Sometimes it means people want to talk to me more and engage, and sometimes it means we have to be a little bit more key because people wanna just scream at me whenever I pop up my big tiel-up as our segments, you know, kind of got more play.

Yeah. Over turn with the rain, you're not funny. You're not funny. I don't know what the positions are on that, but I'm telling you, if Biden is legit, he would not fight the reality. One second, I got so fancied. You're a was, you're not just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. the. th. the. the. th. the the the the. the the the the the. th. th. the the? I got so offended. You're a wuss. You're not a man of God. I have not. No, you're a wuss. Just like Trevor Noah.

Aerosals. Airsau. Wait, no. We're gonna take a break after that. Burger, what is the biggest difference to you in Trump supporters, just in the energy of these events from 2016. He's the anti-American guys. Burger, what is the biggest difference to you in Trump supporters, just in the energy of these events from 2016 till now? Because you're essentially the guy that's got to have George's back while he's in the

shit. Yeah, as Jordan kind of hinted, like, there was a change. 2016, their rage was just directed at Hillary Clinton. It was so focused and they were excited, then they win and we started doing these events December 2019. So the crowd was like cocky. They weren't angry at anything specific and they didn't have a target because Biden wasn't the candidate. And then as it evolved, they didn't have this white, hot rage at Joe Biden the way they added for Hillary Clinton.

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toehrie, that. . But not like Monica. Hilarious. So we were talking about treating women with respect. It's an American ideal that we treat women with respect. You gotta give me the back of that shirt one more time. That's too much fun. Trump, that, that's true. We don't even see the irony in it. I love it, right?

When we started, we started doing these, they were kind kind kind kindy and feeling good about their, you know, Trump, their place, his place in history, their place as, you know, supporters and his chances of getting reelected. So, you know, they almost like took kind of jokes and understood it and we're like, oh yeah, big deal, but he's the president. We got everything. We got the Senate, we got half Congress. We, you know. The thing that I've always hated about the Clepper pieces is how some people will try to frame it. Like I read the, I read YouTube comments. I know you're not supposed to.

Don't do it, Roy. You're better than that. That's my guilty pleasure. It's better than that. Okay. But I like it's better. You're better. You're better. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. theeea. tapea. tapeperperep. tapeperperp. tapeor. tapeor. tapeor. tapeor. the. the. the. the.. It's not good for you. It's not good for any of us. It's too late. I'm already I read them home. I do. I'm sorry. And there's sometimes there's always the assertion of, oh, well, you try to make that person look back. But as I've always known it in anything that we've done on the show, we're just having a conversation. to me, Clement. We're the the the the their. We're their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their, their. their, their, their, their, their, sometimes. their, sometimes. their. their, sometimes. their, sometimes. their, their, their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. t. the. the. It's. It's. It's sometimes. Sometimes, sometimes goes. Are you, how do you process these conversations in real time, Clepper, because there's so many moments that are not scripted. And this person says something and you turn it right back on them. You turn their logic against them literally on a dime. I mean, it's genius.

I mean, it's like, how would you ask you know Einstein to describe relativity? I'm sure he could do it because he knows the theory of relativity but I mean you get what I'm going for here. There's some things are beyond. Well I will say it's I mean this it sounds hokey it's preparation and listening. I think what people don't see is the process of this and it has evolved from from the John Days to what happened a few weeks ago. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th th the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the he the he he he he he he he hea hea hea hea hea heat heat heat heat heat he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he th. he th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the he's he's he's he he he he he he is the process of this, and it has evolved from the John Days to what happened a few weeks ago, but what it has evolved to is like, Ian and I know we're gonna go out. We go to an event where people are going to arrive

and have opinions on. We see what the news of the week is, what people care about. And we start having conversations about what we hear they think and about the other perspective. And so we start to amass like the conversation beforehand. We think it through. We have what we call joke meetings where it's Ian and I talking about avenues of conversations, ways to find humor in that.

We bring in a writer from the Daily Show who will just brainstorm ideas. And we literally walk out the door with pages of jokes and avenues and places you can go. Now I will say, not a lot of those make it to the final piece. And you'd be shocked, you have four pages, single space, hundreds of potential jokes, and the piece might have one. But it's all worthwhile because we've had the conversations, we see what the issues with the arguments are, and then we go out and then you gotta just fucking listen. I got Ian there and he's off-camera as well, and so we're both listening to this person and we're talking about like avenues, and once you get out there, and once you get out

there, the reality on the ground is different than what it is back in the assumption you have is like everybody thinks this. You might get there and you might have a page of funny notes and things you want to hit and you realize they don't think that. So you let it go and you find that new avenue and start discovering things. And as a guy who comes from improv, all the gold comes from discovery, and all the connections come from listening. And so you pay attention and you ask a fucking follow-up question because it's the one thing that breaks every trumper's brain it's that they could be challenged with the question why. And you have them walk through why and more often than not they don't know why.

And so they get caught up in pretzels because yes, A, I'm a genius, but B, because they haven't thought it through, that's where we get so much of our humor from. Well, Jordan is obviously a genius. He's the greatest. Thank you, number one. As Roy said, he said number one. As I said, I said, in the time. People understand some of this, and this is Jordan retaining all of the, like,

those four pages of questions or jokes in an amazing way. But some of this is debate prep. Like, we know that we are going to debate mask usage with people there. And we know like, so you have to have some of, you know, statistics ready. You have to have some of the science ready. And Jordan retains that and is ready to go when people are just like, oh, I heard it, you know, it doesn't, it doesn't stop transmission. And then Jordan's like ready with like really Nobody says that except for all these people say the opposite And so that's kind of like debate prep but in a way like the debate prep Happens when Jordan I are on a plane having a drink or at the hotel bar every drink and it's like that's what you do you talk through it and then

Then Jordan retains so much of it and then presses them and then finds, you know, gold in something that we didn't prep for. You know, then some guy says, some guy says he's made more money under, you know, Donald Trump that he ever did under Barack Obama and Jordan asked him what do you do for living. He's like, oh, I'm a debt collector, and then Jordan lands the joke. So like you can't prep for that. You just need Jordan standing there asking a question and ready to hippounce. Are you in a better place than you were

four years ago? Absolutely. Absolutely. Is America at a better place than they were four years ago? I believe absolutely. We have higher unemployment, we have 200,000 people dead due to COVID and we have riots in the streets. Yes, let me just tell you this much yes I'm doing much better. I'm literally making four times as much as I was making when Obama was president. What do you do? I work for a debt relief company. Yeah. So now as a debt relief employee, you make more money under Donald Trump. Yeah, I do, yeah.

Yeah. It's good to be a white debt relief collector. I do like that so much of it is how much can you retain from the conversation and argument you had at the bar the night before. It's like that is a skill set that you'd be surprised how important it actually is. Burger is your drunk and sparring partner. It is. You go? You order a whiskey or two. You have that conversation. You read on the news, you argue a little bit, and then you wake up the next day and with a to, you, you, you, you, you, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to on the news, you argue a little bit, and then you wake up the next day,

and with a sober mind, you have it again? As Jordan said, sometimes you're prepared with like their arguments, and you do that by reading the news and reading Twitter and reading your kind of racist neighbors, Facebook which I do. Thank you, Carl. Yeah, thanks for the prep, Carl. And you're ready. And then sometimes they don't bite on any the the the the th on th on the tho the they they they the they don't bite on they don't bite on they don't bite on they don't bite on their their they don't bite on their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. tho. thoes. toooooooooooooooooooomea. ta. tooooooooo. tooesoomoboes. toe. their. for the prep, Carl. Yes, you have to. And you're ready, and then sometimes they don't bite on any of that, and they just go down a different avenue and Jordan is there to pounce and it's great. Well, all those moments that are, that stick out in my mind are all these things the nurse under the bus because he doesn't trust any doctors or nurses. My own sisters are retired RN and we're not talking right

now because of her beliefs. So when it comes to heroes there's doctors there's nurses and then there's the pillow guy. Yeah yeah. What have you learned from Mike Lindell? He's a true blue-blooded red-working man. Which color? Which color? Blue and true. It's a blue and true red-blooded white man. That he's, you know. Got them all in there? Yeah.

Or people start talking about racism in a way that you'd never expected, or you have the debt collector moment. You're like, all these things come out, you're not going to read that in an article, which is what is so fun about those moments. Well, after the break, we need to talk about what I believe is probably your biggest moment of improv in which you didn't use any of the prep that you went down there with, and that was the January 6th. And that was the January 6th. Excuse me, freedom rally, fun time, good time, good time moment from January 6. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You're th. You're th. You're th. You're th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. You're time good time moment from January 6th. I want to get into what it was hugs and kisses.

Yeah. Yeah. The Donald J. Trump hugs and kisses event from January 6. I want to talk about that day and just I it's all insurrection after this. We're gonna go beyond the scenes in a minute. When 60 minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. You're rolling? But that's all about to change. Like, none of this stuff gets looked at.

That's what's incredible. I'm Seth Done of CBS News. Listen to 60 minutes, a second look, starting September 17th, wherever you get your podcasts. Let's talk about the insurrection. January 6th, you wake up, sunny sky, you hop on your Amtrak, a cellar from New York Penn Station, and you mozie on down to Washington, D.C. When did you know this day was going to go to shit?

I would say 2019, maybe? Like by comparison, you went to the million maga march. Yes, their number is not ours. I will say, but that is, I think, so we went to the quote unquote million Maga March, the 30,000 Maga March. A lot of people. Early December, right?

Early December. They were talking about this there. I mean, January 6th was on the calendar back then and they were angry at the million Maga March. They were chasing us down alleys. Three security cards needed situation So I think we knew January 6 was going to be Dicey we'd seen it with the million mega march I think I mean what was it was it four security guards we rolled in with burger like we were I'm gonna say we had a lot

Security a game plan with not only like how we're gonna talk to people But like where we're gonna talk to people because we did get in trouble a few times at the million mega march because of location. we we we we we we we we we we we th we we we th we th we th we th we th we th we th we th we th we th we'd th we'd th we'd th we'd th we'd th we'd th we'd th we'd th we'd th we'd th we'd th th the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th three three three three three three three three three three three three three the three three the the the the the thee theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee thee the the the the the the the th going to talk to people because we did get in trouble a few times at the Million Maga March because of location getting caught at a bottleneck with a lot of people, we have a lot of anger and no place to aim it, and the guy who's from the Daily Show with the camera is an easy enough spot. So we had to be smart about that. So I think we walked into that day on the sixth, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. A thi. A thi. A thi. A thi. A thi. A thi. I, thi. I, too. I was, told, to be. to be, to be, to be, told, told, told, to be, told, told, told, told, to be, to be, to be, told, told, told, told, told, told, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be. So, to be. So, to be. So, to be. So, to be. And, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too. Wea, too. I'm, too. Wea, too. And, too. And, to that day on the 6th, cautious and aware that it was going to be dicey out there. And then as soon as we got in our hotel, the night before, I heard some crazy stuff, but you go in and everybody's like dressed for war, they're dressed for combat, like honestly drove eight hours to D.C. and a couple is there, dressed for combat from head to toe. Three presented badges. Yeah, yeah, like we didn't make thi th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theateateate the the the the. We the tho thoes thoes we thoes we thoes we thoes we the the the the the the the the the the th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. th. th. the the the the the the the the. We the. We'll to be to be toe, to be toe. We're toe. toe. toe. toea. toea. toea. We're toea. toea. toea. thea. the. the. head to toe. Three presenter badges. Yeah.

Yeah. We didn't make these jokes when we rolled into the hotel because we wanted to go to our rooms. But Jordan and I were joking. We were like, we should definitely ask them what airplane they jumped out of. Like a couple. Be like what kind of airplane did you guys just jump out of? Look at you guys are bad asses. lot of military outfits but not a lot of military personnel. I will also say the other thing the night before you get to hotel we hadn't we'd been in so few

hotels because of COVID in the last year and everybody's nervous about it rightfully so we arrive masked and it's clear we are we're perhaps from the other side because we're actually wearing masks and you're the whouchy you're fauchy the whole the whole place is teaming with people there's there's.. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. the there. We the the there. We're the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho the the te te te the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the side because we're actually wearing masks. You and your Fauci mask. You and your Fauci, you Fauci. The whole place is teeming with people. There's all the bars are shut down. I don't want to make this all about drinking, but occasionally you have a drink the night before.

The one place that sells drinks, their the hotel, but they won't let you sit, but you can buy, drink, and come up to your room. But there are just people hanging out in their fatigues, their Maga gear, not six feet apart, all throughout the lobby. Like you're walking through a throng of people angrily trying to get Budweiser, disreve, no masks, stepping out. And you see the hotel staff even just nervous there. And we're sort of like, this already already already already already already already already already already already already already already already already already already already already already already already already already already th. already has an energy of people who are like, we don't care. We're not going back up to our rooms. We're not putting on mass.

We're not separated. We're hanging out in this lobby. We're drinking booze. And we're talking about what's going to happen tomorrow. So you could feel that energy. I mean, I imagine. I must have waited 15 minutes to wait for the nex elevator if you don't mind. Come on in, come on!

I'm like, ah, ah, I know, I know. And then the next morning, we kind of assemble in the lobby with, you know, meet Jordan, get him miked up, get the cameras ready to go. Because like, we kind of just walk out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out there might be something on the street. And like people are, you know, so angry and like agro then. And I'm like, we're not shooting anything in the lobby or near our hotel. We're going to start walking to the Trump rally. He had an actual rally in the ellipses. And we stopped to laugh but didn't actually shoot this because we were kind of hustling. There were all these mega people taking selfies with this quote on a wall. And there was a quote about the First Amendment.

They love it. They love the First Amendment. Get my picture there. They didn't realize the wall was part of the museum. A museum, a museum dedicated to the institution they hate the most. So there was like group after they gave pictures of themselves in front of the museum. RIP Newzeum, by the way. I know. RIP, it was great. We found ourselves, though, from there,

we're then trudging to the speech. And there is just this wild line down Pennsylvania Avenue to try to get to this speech. Where, again, we're being cautious about what shoot at the time because people are not in good moods. We don't want to start an issue this early in the morning and so we kind of all just this giant line of MAGA folks and incognito media just trudging the way towards the White House. I was being a giant pussy is what Jordan saying. I was like don't interview anybody yet. So Burger your plan basically went from prepping, well what type of conversations do we want to have to where where is to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the their is their is their is their is their is their their their is their to to to to their th. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. tean. tryuu. todaughe. today te. today try. the. the. the. the. to have to, where is the safest place to even fucking stand still for 30 minutes? Jordan, where was the safest place to stand?

You'd be surprised, literally the safest place for us to stand was outside the Museum of African American History. No joke, we're walking around, thousands and thousands. You're welcome. There we go. See, thank you, Roy. Thank you. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is that. Is that, is. Is that, is. Is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that, is. that. that, is. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that, is that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. th. the th. th. thi. the. the. the. thi. th. thi. th. th. th. walking around, thousands and thousands. You're welcome. There we go, see? Thank you, Roy. Thank you. Is that, I should be thanking you? It was hilariously, it was the one area where there was space. People weren't congregated.

It was not open, but we could go up and be around that area and away from the throngs of folks outside of the White House cheering on Mr. Donald Trump at the time. Okay. Berger did a great job with this and honestly it is true. You're constantly balancing like the energy of that day and it's a scary day. People are saying some really scary stuff as you're walking through it. I do love to get out there and I want to interview and talk to folks, but you've got to be really really really really really really really really to be to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a their, their, to be, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, their, their, their, tho, tho, tho, throngia, thoomkowlion, thoomoomoomoomoomoomoomoomoomoomoomoomoomoompernigha, thoomom, thoom, thoom, tho, tho, tho, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thiiii....a, thi, thi, thi, thronge, thronge, throngi, throngia, throngia, the, the, throngiia, throngiia, throngia, throngia, toooooomoomorrow, there and I want to interview and talk to folks. But you gotta be really careful and you're gonna be smart about it until like Burger's constantly balancing like, yes, we need to talk to people. But we also need to talk to multiple people over the course of the day.

And if you talk to one person who freaks on you and a bunch of people chase you down, then that's it. We need to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to much internal calculations about what we actually can shoot and win. Okay, Berger, to that point then, at what point did you start to feel, oh shit? Like, we knew it could be bad, it could be dicey, but when did you feel? This shit is the worst. Maybe we should think about leaving. Oh, I think, yeah, I think we, I kind of didn't want to get too. to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to that that that that that point that point that point that point that point that point that point that point that point that point that point that point that point that point that. that. that. that. that. that.this shit is the worst, maybe we should think about leaving. Oh, I think, yeah, I think we, I kind of didn't want to get too into the crowd at the Trump rally because if you got to into the crowd at the Trump rally, that crowd needed to do a 180 and then walk back to the Capitol.

And we knew that the Capitol is where the action was going to happen. Like even in December, as Jordan said, these guys were like, we're going to the capital and I was like, we have to be there when they arrive. Because if we were behind the crowd, we'll be 10,000 people away. So we started walking away from the traul. to the capital, the towards, and we to the capital, the coer, the coer, the coer, the coer, the coer, were just slowly walking into the Capitol. We get to the Capitol kind of ahead of, I would say, 99% of the crowd. And as soon as we get there, the Proud Boys walked by, which is always a cheerful experience. And then, yes. And then we're going to do a standup. And I think Jordan was like, oh, they're going to the knock the fence down., oh, that's right there. We saw them knock the first fence down. And we're like, OK, this is just going to get so much worse from here on out.

Broadboys are here. As we were setting up for a quick stand-up, we noticed another large group marching aggressively down the street. The Proud boys all passed by again. We settled in a spot just outside the northwest side, theeecass, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, thi, the, the, the, the, tho, the the the th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. the. the. the. the northwest side of the capital because we knew that at around 1 p.m. that angry crowd would be arriving there from the White House and we knew that if things got hairy it gave us the best escape route to the train in our cars. And then words became actions. The barricades got pushed over and folks flooded in. We're starting to see this massive people. They broke through the gate here, and now they're heading into the capital. I'm hearing people say it's our house.

I heard some old man start screaming forward. It's our house. Democracy should look more organized than what we're seeing right now. We've been organized. You have to do something else because they don't do it properly. They don't go by the one more. Go ahead. We pay for the heat. It's time to go inside. These were the barricades.

Jordan's kept walking backwards close to the capital. I was like, I don't know if we need to, uh, let's make a joke here. Let's do it here. That's, like, because when did Viacom call? That's a bigger question. When did they start texting? When did the wives, where are your wives at this point? Oh my, well, first of all, my wife, who is the best, I love her dearly, favorite person in the whole world. When I was coming home after the flash bangs and people were inside, I had all of these text messages from friends. I heard you were there their their their their their. their. their. their. I. I. I. I. I. I their. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm the. I was the. I was thi. I'm thi. thi. I was thi. I thi. thi. thi. I they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they they they're. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. the. the. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. tyyya. tya. tea. thea. thea. they're they're they're friends were like, I heard you were there, what's going on? Are you okay, are you okay?

And I called my wife to be like, I'm okay. And she's like, what are you talking about? I'm like, are you watching? Are you watching the news? She's like, I don't know was a little less to it. I will say she was not as interested in the events of that day as I was or even the one like high school friend who I haven't talked to in 12 years who was like I'm going to I'm going to check in on Jordan today. He, Ted beat out my wife at that point as far as interest in care goes, but...

But that's what parenting does, bro. Parenting, you're gone, she's there with the boy. You call her, and she's like, I have our child. I'm doing mom stuff, just whatever. This kid has a bright future ahead of him. You may have half your life behind you. I th, th, th, th, th, did th, did th, did th, did th, did th, did th, did th, did the, did, did, did, did, did, did, the, th, th, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the the the, the, the the the thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, and, toda, toda, today, today, today, today, today, behind you. I can't worry about you today. Did you get the alarm to leave burger? Did that come down from corporate? So no, we were shooting and Jordan and I were basically like this is getting bad and our one, our security guys was like, you know, you're okay here. The throke. The capital police, this is the the tragedy thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing I thing I thing I thing I thing I thing I thi thi thr- thr- thi thi thi. The thi. The thi. The thi. The the thi thi. The thi. The the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. Did the. Did the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. that that that that that that that that that that that this mob turns around to run you're going to get trampled. The Capitol Police, this is the tragedy of that day, it took forever

for National Guard and reinforcements to show up. So that didn't happen but they were like you guys should wrap up very soon and we had a train to get out of town so we were like we're gonna do one more stand-up, and on-the-fly, flash brain grenades go off, and he totally unscripted, two-camera references it, and I was like, that's perfect, let's get the hell out of here. And security had a, they kind of had a path for us to get out of the crowd, and we started leaving, and then in their earpiece,

they heard over the building right now. You should definitely get out here. So then we hustled out of town. The Trump president is gonna come to it, and this seems fitting, a show of aggression, ending with a bunch of people screaming at a building without a working understanding of how democracy works. America, 2021. Thunder, cannon, tear gas, let's not wait to find out. And we knew it was time to leave.

Did you all see any other news outlets? What was the feeling? You know how like in those war movies were like, like the beat up Marines passed by a van with the beat up army people and the battles over and they just both give each other a slight salute like hey we survived. Did you see any other members of the media? Was there any time to even sit and talk with them at all? Not that day. No, I think that day, I mean you're passing by people as everybody's trying to catch what's going on. I would say my experience leaving though was surreal in that like I took a car out of you know essentially COVID safety and sometimes being on the train can be, you know, there's

sometimes issues there as well. So I drove down and I drove back, but so my four-hour drive back to New York, I was just listening to a serious radio, CNN or MSNBCBC, or the news, or the news, or the news, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I was th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I's, I's, I's, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm thi, I'm a thi, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm that's, I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm to New York, I was just listening to a serious radio CNN or MSNBC or one of the news outlets just their live stream of what was going on. And so I had a four-hour drive alone up the American East Coast listening to the sound of these broadcasters like witness an insurrection and the fall of the capital in a way that was yeah, like it was incredibly surreal and Haunting and you know, we make a lot of jokes about this and and it was it was such a sad day And a ridiculous day like you have to almost live with the duality of of America in that moment where like we're watching this sacred building this building that I used to come down as a kid my parents we didn't take many vacations. We went to DC. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tttttttttteau. teau. tttteau. tttttea. the the the the the the the the sacred building, this building that I used to come down as a kid, my parents, we didn't take many vacations, we went to D.C., and we learned about the important monuments

and the great history of our country. You're watching it be desecrated. You're watching people say awful horrendous things about other American citizens. And at the same time, you're watching a man on a Segway try to drive up and overthrow the strongest government on earth. Can I ask you some questions? Are you afraid if you run out of batteries for the last stand that you'll be thwarted? Good luck I hope you don't run into

bumpy terrain or stairs. It's ridiculous and it's it's sad and it's both of those things and I felt like all throughout that day, you're constantly confronted with this, of it being the worst day and also the most ridiculous day at the same time. Yeah, you had that tragedy of your drive out. I had to sit behind these two white women drinking rosé on the train in front of me. And they were actually, they were actually,

interaction, they had all their maga gear on, and they're actually having a conversation about can you believe all the crime in the cities these days. It's like, you committed the crime. You went to the city and were part of the crime, and now you're like, look at those people in the cities. The Democrats and minorities commit lots of crime. They got off in Wilmington, thank you so much for listening. I'm sure they're listening right now. After the break, I want to talk with you all about some of the more interesting characters

over the time that you've gone into the Magiverse. This is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. But that's all about to change. Like none of this stuff gets looked at.

That's what's incredible. I'm Seth Done of CBS News. Listen to 60 Minutes, a second look, starting September 17th, wherever you get your podcasts. Burger, Clepper, who have been some of the more memorable people that you all have met on the campaign trail out there? I think we have a lot of, we have a lot of fun characters. Honestly, it runs the gamut from, you know, characters who are infuriating to the lovable characters, the characters who see multiple

times. Berger and I laugh about someone who stood out to us, I think a lot about on that day January 6th, was a man who was wielding a pitchfork, which would seem like the most agro-histerical man there on the January 6th. As we were approaching him to talk, he was interrupted by another man who was screaming obscenities who was even more hysterical than the pitchfort guy. We found filming on the national mall was a safer, more effective way to get real conversations, for a while. Then we found a man acting unhinged with a pitchfork.

This is a warning! we can mobilize a million people to any city in this country now. Make no mistake, that's the situation. That's right, man. We're not playing around. Who was interrupted by a man acting more unhinged. How come we got a million people to monument when over there is where they're screwing us. How come down there? How come we're not down in front of you all come down there, film Congress, put in to tell us, F. All you all, mother-fix here. F all, y'all, y'all. The really unhinged guy angered the sort of unhinged guy wielding the pitchfork.

I'll speak for myself. Okay, he speaks for himself. not with that. You're like, whoa! I mean I am. I will be in the capital with him shortly. We literally had to get away from the more hysterical man and take the pitchfork guy to a separate area where we can calm down and hear the political thoughts of pitchfork. Sir, can you hold the pitchfork up a little higher? Yes. It doesn't read that way. That guy was amazing. When Hershey, Pennsylvania, this guy came over to me, he's like, I want to be on camera. I was like, sure. He's like, I got a rap song. I was like, all right, this could be like some for credits. And then George starts talking him, and then you noticed something. Yeah, he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was he was. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was. He was. He was. He was, he was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He. He. He. He own shirt and on the back of the shirt it had, uh, the next seven presidents or what he thought was Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka, Eric,

etc. Why are you here? Well, because two weeks ago I had a dream. And in that dream, I was given this vision. This, you had a screen printing dream. Your dream told you that Trump is going to win, and then Ivanka, and then Don Jr. and Eric, Tippity is going to win in 2048 and then Barron. Great. All right. But Barron only serves one term. No, that's only one term.

That's four years. Yeah, actually, these is 24 to 28. That's four years. And then another four. No, no, no, that's, these are one-term presidents. Yvanka one-term, Don Jr. One-term, what's the date? Avonka is 2024, 2028.

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Are you ever worried about punching down in a situation like that? Like where, granted, you were kind of discovering this all in the moment so it's not the same as something a little more premeditated but I when you're having these discussions with people that clearly have not put all have not connected all of the dots. Are you ever worried about how you're perceived in your interactions with them? Sure I mean I think with the daily show it's important not to punch down I think you always want to hold you know look to the the the their....... the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. I, their, thi. I's, their, they. I'm, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the hold, you know, look to those in power and challenge them. I think when you go to these rallies, you have to be careful. There are people that we talk to that we don't put in these pieces because it does feel like

it's going over the edge or it feels like they don't have their faculties about them in a way that felt like we're just making been odd trying times, and I think the vigor and some of the vial of the masses are what propelled the guy in charge to make some of these decisions, and I think they could be easily swayed by some of this hateful rhetoric, and so I feel like it's fair to push them on some of these things that have led to some pretty disgusting things in our last few years. And so I think you have to constantly have that conversation. Let's not just poke fun of what they're wearing. We can maybe have some fun around that.

But let's try to get to the source of it. The thing that always interests me is, I think, I've said this before, but I think contradiction is so fascinating to me because I think it exposes the lie that you're telling yourself. And more often than not, you see these people thinking through things for the first time, holding these two opinions that are contradictory and me putting them right up against one another. And I think it really is often, at its best,

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somebody we talked to at one of the early rallies popped up and is facing charges because he brought weapons into the Capitol to the Capitol to the Capitol trying to overthrow the government. And so it is, sometimes it's tough to wrap your head around. I feel like to a degree, there is something with regards to accountability. You voted for a man that did the things

that fucked up all these people's lives and all of these different ways. But I sometimes find myself feeling a sense of pity toward some of the Trump supporters who just, you just bought the lie. Berger, how do you think the Trump supporter has changed over the last one? I think, well he lost the election, so he obviously lost a bunch of supporters, and that's a big difference between 2020 and 2016, and the people he lost are people who are, I want to say, more rational, obviously, and so those people you encountered less frequently at the recent rallies.

And then I would say, kind of what sticks with us, the most recent event things we went to were the one in December and the one in January, and that's self-selected group of very angry, very, you know, unfriendly people. So that's kind of like, you're right, it's hard for me to have sympathy for the people we talked to on those days, because they were threatening. I walked out of the hotel on December 6th and made eye contact this woman, we smiled each other, it's the morning, I'm going to

get a cup of coffee, and then my eyes looked down and she has Kyle Writtenhouse to have did nothing wrong t-shirt. So it's like, I can't talk to, I can't see you, I can't talk to you. There's a lot of that still. And yeah, I agree, these people were misguided and led astray and I hope that if he fizzles out, they'll come back. The thing I empathize most with is like, I think humans need to feel like they belong and they need to feel like they have a purpose. And so I get it. Initially, this felt like you could join the team.

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I see it, he speaks the truth, he has the guts to say, but the way they talked about him was as if he's been on the scene for decades, speaking truth, fighting for the good fight. Like this guy sells pillows and he's the politics the tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the's the's the's got got got got got got got got got got the. the. thi's thi. He's thi. He's thi. He's thi. He's thi. He's thi. He's thi. He's thi. He's thi. He's thi. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's the. Hea. Hea. Hea. Hea. Hea. He's the. He's the. He's the. He's thea. He's got thea. He's got thea. thea. He's thean thea. He's thean thea. He's thea. He's thea. What is Mike Lindell talking about that you agree with? Well, just the whole fraud of the election. He's got the proof. You know, the proof is there. What makes you know that Trump won. His own Department of Justice says there was no fraud.

Just, well, you don't trust the Department of Justice. Oh, no. You don't trust trust you trust trust you trust trust trust trust trust you trust you trust you trust you trust you trust you trust you you trust trust trust trust trust you trust trust trust trust the Department of Justice? Oh, no. You trust my pillow guy? Well, I wouldn't go quite that far to say, you know, I trust what he's saying. Do you trust what he's saying? Yeah. Oh, so you would go that far? Yeah. That's exactly where you at. Yeah. Yeah. They need a God to tell them what is right and what is wrong, and they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they stick to the good side of things, they will be righted and righteous. And I think like, that didn't leave,

and it was a little bit scary to see how quick you could sub in a fucking pillow salesman, and he got all the credit that they gave somebody else who at least had a career, decades of debauchery and assholeishness to rely on. But as you said, that my pillow guy evented, it th. th. th. thuke. th. I, th. I, th. I, thu…. I, th. I, thatched, thatched, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, and thatatat, and thatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatatat, and it was, and it was, and it was, th. And, th. And, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi. And, that, that, that, that, that rely on. Jordan, but as you said that my pillow guy event, it was certainly hysterical how they latched on to him and they're like, he's a great patriot, he speaks the truth. It's like, he's literally just advertised this pillow. But the nature of that event wasn't hostile. It was people who were like, it's a fair and there's nothing else coming through this town this month

. It's a fair and there's nothing else coming through this town this month that I want to go to. So I'll go to that thing and put on my MAGA clothes again. You know, like they all still have the clothes. If somebody's going to invite you to come to the costume party, they're all like, I'm going to win the costume part. If Trump is reinstated in 2021. will accept it and allow our nation to heal? I think there's going to be a lot of whining still. They're just not going to let it go. They're going to be whining in a field months after everything's already decided.

Anyway, are you excited about being out here in a field to watch Trump on a JumboTron? Is he going to be on the JumboTron? We don't even know? Who f-who's thi! Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? thi? thi? Who? thi? Who? thi? thi? thi? thi? Who? Who? Who? Who? Who? to? to? to? thi? Who? Who? Who? to? to to to th th th th th th th th th th th th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th. thi? thi? thi? to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the? thi? thi? to your town, you show up. And I think more often than not that Trump rally is a parade. So people are going to keep showing up. So then what's next for Trump supporters? Do they still have some leverage in the Republican Party? Or is this just political cosplay akin to civil war re, I think the storyline is the Republican Party has crumbled and is so desperate to be loved by that minority of the population that is all in on Maga. Like, yeah, sadly, they have a, I think they have a ton of power. I think you see it with Kevin

McCarthy, you see him bending over backwards to perpetuate the big lie to try to make these folks happy and not mad at him. And I think that's what's so sad and what's so scary is that what has been passed on is like this is how you chum the waters to get these folks on your side. And so I think Trump can leave, but they're still using the chum the waters tactic to get people on their side. So yeah, the supporters hold power. Again, they're not the majority of people. They're a minority, but the democracy has been crafted on a way in which they have an outsized voice and you have craven politicians who are going to try to

to utilize that however they can. So sadly I don't think it's just a laughable thing of like, oh thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the, thi. they, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, the th. I's the the thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thr. I's thr. thr. thri. I's thri. I's thr-a. I'm thr-s. thr-s. I'm their their their thr-s a laughable thing of like, oh, this is going to fade away. I think it's still such a potent part that's, that is quite literally pushing and controlling the narrative of that whole party. So what I'm hearing from you, Clepper, is that you and Berger will continue to go into the Magiverse for as long as there is one. Is that what's next for you to go into the Magaverse for as long as there is one. Is that what's next for you to? Health care sustained, right? Yeah.

I think Ian and I have always been. Thank you, Donald. Thank you, Mr. Trump. He gave you health care. He gave you health care. I know. Thank you. He said, he has one.

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using the same Facebook group. So it's like, this is the Trump-Magger group, we're doing this thing. And everyone who's part of the Huntington Bee-Bage group will come to the anti-vaccine thing. So he may not be there physically. It didn't matter. They all went to the Mike Lindell thing. He wasn't there. I think Trumpism is around for the next four years. I think we don't need to chase the Trumpism, but we're curious to continually at least track the conversation and see where they're at. So that's where we'll be heading. Well, gentlemen, I can't thank you enough for putting your lives on the line repeatedly in the name of comedy while I get to kick it in an air-conditioned

building with Trevor Noah. That must be real nice, Roy. It must be real, real nice. Hey, listen, I can't relate. I've been doing Zoom chats because of COVID the last year. Come out with us. Come out with us. You've, you've, we're dangerous world of zoom. We're gonna get back out there, you and me together.

All right, bone brothers. I, we're gonna hit. hit it up one more time. I never have more fun than when I'm out on a fieldpiece with you, and that is a fact full stop. The cop one, the Bone Brothers joint, and then the thing but Clyburn, people like, what is Bone Brothers? You just, you gotta Google that. Google it everybody.

I, 100% agree. Honestly, we have so much fun for have two correspondents going out and play it around. You are just the best out there and so much fun to play with. So in a different world where COVID didn't happen and a left became a right. I think we were hoping to do some more figure the pulses where you and I could hit the campaign trial and had that experience a little bit more. So we still can. We still can. There's still time, brother. 2022. He is Daily Showfield producer Ian Berger, and he is the second most risk-taking correspondent in the history of the Daily Show. He is Jordan Clepper. I'll take it. Number one is Ronnie Chang. He ate a full stick of butter on live television. That is pretty good. Ronnie, you're not in Iowa anymore. You don't have

to eat that. I can't stop eating fried butter. I respect everything you did, but Ronnie Chang ate a stick of butter. I give that a mackerel. You know what, I would not eat a stick of butter. That to me, I know you were there, you know, the insurrection was pretty bad, but I don't know if you've ever just eaten a stick of a stick to to to the stick the stick to the stick of to th fried a th fried a th fried a th fried a th fried a to fried a th fried a th fried a th fried a th fried a thried th fried to fried to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to eat to eat to eat to eat to eat to eat to eat to eat to eat to eat thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to thi. thi. thi. thi. th. That to me, I know you were there, you know, the insurrection was pretty bad, but I don't know if you've ever just eaten a stick of fried butter before. You know what, I'm from the Midwest. Yes, I have. Boys, thank you all. Thank you, Roy. Thanks, Roy. Listen to the Daily Show Beyond the Seas on Apple Podcasts, the IHeart Radio App or wherever you get your podcast. Want to go even further Beyond the Scenes?

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