The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Keeping Up with the Congressians - Capitol Hill Crunch Time | Derecka Purnell

Episode Date: September 30, 2021

Trevor covers a nail-biting showdown in Congress, Roy Wood Jr. and Dulcé Sloan discuss outsized media coverage of missing white women, and Derecka Purnell talks "Becoming Abolitionists." Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Why would you come out and say anything? Oh man. Coming to you from the heart of Times Square, the most important place on earth, it's the Daily Show. Ears edition. Tonight, the hot goss out of DC. How to find a Black World. And Derek Purna. Gus out of DC, How to Find a Black World, and Derek Perno.

This is the Daily Show with Trevor Noah. Hey, what's going on everybody? Welcome to the Daily Show. I'm Trevor Noah, and today is September 29th. Let's kick things off with Amazon. It's why your favorite bookstore is now a crackden. And now, they've got a new product in the works. Amazon just unveiled a fleet of shiny new gadgets at its fall product event. The real showstopper, a tiny rumba-looking robot with a tablet of sorts on top, about the size of a small dog.

It's the Amazon Astro. It's kind of like an Alexa on wheels that can follow you around the house. So instead of yelling for the weather weather the weather the weather the weather the weather the weather the weather, the weather, the weather, the weather, the weather, the weather, the w w w w w. It's the Amazon Astro. Kind of like an Alexa on wheels that can follow you around the house. So instead of yelling for the weather across the room, you can just talk to the little gadget, a robot with eyes by your feet. You can have it spy on the kids or the dogs in a specific room and see the live stream all on your phone. It can play movies or video call and no it cannot climb stairs. But it has an arm with a camera that extends up about four feet to look at things from a normal height and a little cup holder. So you can literally tell Alexa to hold your beer. And get this,

it can recognize faces so you can tell it, go find David and it will. All for a thousand dollars. A thousand dollars. A thousand dollars? A thousand dollar. A thousand dollar. A thousand dollar. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A thousand dollar. A thousand dollar. A tho thoom. A thoom. A tho. A thousand tho. A tho tho tho tho tho tho. A thi. A thi. A thi. A thi. A thi. A thi. A thi. A thi. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A tho. A thooo. A thooooooooooooooooooo-a. A tho-a. tho-a. A tho-a. tho-a. A tho-, and it will. All for a thousand dollars. A thousand dollars? A thousand dollars? Guys, guys, I'm sorry. I will never spend a thousand dollars on a designer robot. Especially not when there are thousands of adorable robots in shelters looking for a home. Adopt, don't shop. I mean, don't get me wrong. I do like that it's a cup holder, you know, or as it's known in an Amazon warehouse,

a P holder, but aside from this cup holder, this robot barely does anything. I mean, at least not for the customer, you know, because best believe that when we leave the house, it's doing a hell of a lot of work for Jeff Bezos. Scaning House, my scan indicates he has just been dumped. Show him ads for tissues and lotion. Lots of lotion. But let's move on because while humans are inventing new robots, they're also killing off nature's robots, animals. Here's some sad news. Today the US government will declare 23 birdfish and other species of animal extinct. Fish and wildlife says the ivory-billed woodpecker is the best known of the group. In these cases many of the animals have not been seen in years. The ivory-billed woodpecker

for instance was last officially seen in Louisiana back in 1944. Some scientists warn the global rate of extinction is a thousand times higher right now compared to historical averages. Man this is so devastating for these poor animals. And you know what tonight I'm pouring one out for the ivory-billed woodpecker. Because we're going to miss it so much man we just we can't be having that would be. Oh no no no that was the last Northeastern water mouse and I just gave him alcohol poisoning. Oh no that poor mouse. Oh guys my bad is he drunk? No he's dead. he. Sorry. And look, although this is horrible, I think we have to look on the bright side as well. If the extinction rate is up, at least

that means things we don't like might go extinct too, you know? Things that serve no real ecological purpose, like mosquitoes or f-boys. Not to mention, is this really surprising? Is this a surprising story? No one has seen this woodpecic thi this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this thiiiiiiiiiiiolical horrible this w horrible horrible to mention, is this really surprising? Like, is this a surprising story? No one has seen this woodpecker since 1944, and they've just now concluded it's extinct. It's kind of like the government announcing now that there won't be any more Frank Sinatra albums. Yeah, I kind of assumed. Thanks, government.

I mean, honestly, guys, I think after going missing all of this time, it would be worse if these animals showed up again. Because like, where were you when I needed you, Ivory-Billed Woodpecker? I was getting bullied in school by a tree and you weren't there. You weren't there for me. But now they're gone forever. The experts say that they're extinct and we just have to accept it. Although I have a different, some would say, dangerous theory. Did these animals go extinct or did they all adapt over time to become invisible to the human eye? I'm just asking questions, man. And finally, let's move on to one animal that hasn't gone extinct.

Alligators, they're what you milk to get gatorade. You know how normally Florida man is someone you would never want to be? Well, this time, Florida man is the hero we all need. So this video right now, you have to see it to believe it. One man took an interesting approach to catch an alligator. Ew. Here we go. So this man here using a trash can, as you can see the alligators moving back, moving back.

And here he is. And now check this out. He has on socks and slides. Okay, thank God he captured that alligator. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. Okay. Thank God he captured that alligator, because let's be real. My man did not have on the proper footwear for this situation. I mean, this is not what you wear to catch an alligator. This is what you wear to a waffle house at 2.30 a.m. And yes, both are extremely dangerous situations, but only one requires running away

from a little dinosaur that wants to eat you. But still, I mean, this dude was a thrace. thrown thrown. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thr-a. thr-a. to thr-nue. to to to to to to to to to to to to thr-a. thr-a-nue. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooe.a.a.a.a.a. thea.a.a. thea. thea. toa. toa. toa. toa. to call my neighbor once for backup just to kill a cockroach in my kitchen. It turned out to be an almond, but I still have nightmares. That shit was close, man. At the same time, I will say, I actually feel bad for this alligator. I mean, not as bad for the garbageman who's going to open that lid expecting garbage, but still, pretty bad. Because usually when an alligator loses a fight to a human, it's because the human has a gun or a fancy trap. But when this alligator goes back to his swamp, you know, all his friends are going to be like,

Yo, man, so how'd they beat you? I don't want to talk about it. Hey, why do you smell like the garbage dump? I said, let it go. But let's move on this week there is a lot of activity up on Capitol Hill. Time is running out on Capitol Hill to stop America from an economic disaster. Lawmakers are furiously negotiating hoping to make progress on four major issues central to the Biden agenda and the nation's economy.

On the docket, passing a continuing resolution that will continue to fund the government before it runs out of cash as soon as Friday, lifting the debt ceiling before the government reaches that threshold by the middle of October, striking a compromise on a massive expansion of the social safety net that both moderates and progressives can agree on and passing a bipartisan infrastructure bill that will offer up more than one trillion dollars to fix roads and bridges across America. The problem is Democrats have tied several of these items together and now they're trying to untangle them. God damn that's a lot of stuff. Congress is trying to pass all of that at the same time,

prevent a government shutdown, raise the debt ceiling, and pass two huge pieces of legislation. Why is this all happening at the last minute, people? I mean, this reminds me of how I was always cramming in high school for the night before finals. Okay, time to get down to business. What is a book? All right, you got this, Trev. But for whatever reason, this is happening now,

which means there's a lot of stress, a lot of bickering, and most importantly, a lot of drama. Yeah. In fact, there's so much drama. It's the perfect story to cover in our new segment, keeping up with the Congressians. All right, what's going on? It's me, your host, Talking Mac Gossip.

Let's kick things off with the debt ceiling. Out of everything Congress has to get done, this one is probably the most important. Raising the debt ceiling basically just lets Congress pay its bills. So if they don't do it in time, America defaults on its debt and its credits goes lower than Jerry's standards at the by 3 a.m. Am I right, Jerry? He knows, he knows. He knows. Jerry. So the ceiling needs to be raised. But you know

who's doing everything he can to make that as hard as possible? Congress's original drama queen, Mitch McHara. Last night, Senate Republicans blocked a bill that would have allowed the debt limit to be raised. This is even though the Republican Party supported national debt to soar nearly $8 trillion during the Trump administration. Democrats will not get bipartisan help borrowing money so they can immediately blow historic songs on a partisan taxing and spending spree. Democrats did help Republicans extend the debt ceiling back in 2017 and 2019. Mitch McConnell, you are one catty bitch, and I love it. Mitch is bringing the best kind of drums to this fight, the pointless kind.

I mean, does he have any reason to block this bill? No. Is he doing it anyway? Oh, hell yeah. He's sending back his steak at a restaurant even though it's cooked perfectly. Because Mitch knows that sometimes eating out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. You th. You th. You th. You, you th. You, you th. You, you th. You, you th. You, you th. You, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the at a restaurant even though it's cooked perfectly, because Mitch knows that sometimes eating out isn't about the meal, it's about fighting with that sexy chef. And let me tell you, Mitch does not care that the Democrats helped him raise the ceiling when he was the HBIC. You think he's losing sleep over this?

No, no. My man is sleeping good using a pile of his own face skin as a pillow. Trust me. But plot twist, there's an even bigger roadblock right now that has nothing to do with Mitch. It's the fight between the progressives and the moderates in the Democratic Party. Yeah, apparently, sources tell me they're more divided than Jerry's family after his parents got divorced. Right Jerry? Ha ha ha ha ha! Two thanksgivings for this guy. You see right now, Joe Biden wants the Dems to pass

two huge bills. One is the infrastructure bill, which the moderates are gaga over. It's got a trillion dollars for boring shit like roads, bridges, or hammers. I don't know. But the progressives won't vote for it unless the moderates vote for their reconciliation bill, which has $3.5 trillion for child care, health care, climate change, all the stuff that Bernie's horny for. I'm so horny. And the moderates are saying,

sis, why don't you vote for our bill first and then we can talk about your bill? And the progressives are saying, maybe you should take a seat. Progressives like Bernie Sanders saying Democrats either pass both laws or they'll block the bipartisan bill. Look, if you guys want to pass the infrastructure bill? I want to pass it? You want to pass that? You're going to have to deal with reconciliation. You can't just keep slow walking this thing.

The agreement from the very beginning, and we are, we've been talking about this for months now, is there is one big package. I'm a hard note tomorrow. I'm an absolute no. You can write it on the wall with Corey Bush next to it. I'm a no. Ooh, Corey Bush, you are throwing down and I cannot get enough. The progressives are not backing down here. They may be against the 1%, but they've got 99% of the balls. And right now for them, these bills are like Benifer. It's a package a package a package a package a package a package package a package th. th, thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. thi. thoom. thoom. thi. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. thoom. Oh, thoom. Oh, thoom. Oh, thoom. Oh, thoom. Oh, tho. Oh, tho. Oh, tho. Oh, tho. Oh, th. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, th. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, thi. Oh, tho. Oh, to to to to to to to to to to to toooooooooooooooo. to to to to to to to to these bills are like Benifer. It's a package deal, baby.

Have you seen those pictures? We love those pictures, don't we? Ooh! And honestly, I get where the progressives are coming from. Every time there's a disagreement with the moderates, they're the ones who expect it to give in and settle for less than their, hashtag-life-goes. You can only be the designated driver so many times before you say, Hey, when's this bitch gonna get a drink? Now, the solution to all of this drama might be obvi.

Everyone get your egos in check, get in a room, and talk this out. The problem is that while progressives have been very clear about what they want, the moderates have been super shady. Especially the head of the mud squad, Joe Manchin. Part of the problem is that moderates still won't say what they are willing to agree to spend on expanding the social safety net. Progressives want the package to be as big as $3.5 trillion and the child tax credit. Moderates like Kirsten Cinema and Joe Manchin don't want to spend

that much, but they're also not ready to say publicly how high they're willing to go. I'm concerned about basically a society moving towards more of an entitlement mentality versus a rewarding mentality. Progressives think you're dragging your feet, Senator. Everybody has their own opinion, right? Joe Mansion, you are KGAF and I am here for it. And now I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the their th. their their their th. their their their their th. their own opinion, right? Joe Mansion, you are KGAF, and I am here for it. And now I'm here for it. And now I'm here for it. Joe is my kind of centrist. As in, he wants to be the center of attention. That's why he's dragging this thing out.

Joe is being so mysterious, it's going to be the first time people hold a seance to find out what a living person wants. Huckles. And some people might find Joe Manchin frustrating, but I just find him so relatable. He reminds me of that one friend at brunch who hates everything on the menu, but can't figure out what he likes. That friend is me. But the point is, things are getting hairy for the Democrats, and I'm not just talking

about Joe Biden's arm. They better kiss and make up soon, because if they don't, both of their bills are going to be more dead than Jerry's wife after she got hit by that bus. Right, Jerry! Ah ha ha ha ha! Oh, oh, she was dead like a pancake. Ha ha ha ha! Oh, Jerry, you're hilarious. All right, everybody, when we come back, Roy Wood Jr. and Dulce Sloan will convo over missing white women.

You don't want to miss it. Like Jerry misses his wife. Oh, Jerry! Oh, she wasn't that great. So-fragg. Ha ha ha ha! Ha! Ha!

When 60 Minutes premiered in September, 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. But that's all about to change. Like none of this stuff gets looked at. That's what's incredible. I'm Seth Done of CBS News. Listen to 60 Minutes, a second look, starting September 17, wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Daily Show. For the last few weeks, TV news and social media have

been consumed with the disappearance and death of Gabby Petito. And it's easy to understand why. It's a tragic story, and we all feel genuinely horrified about what happened to that poor woman. But some people have also wondered, when some stories get so much attention, who's stories are being overlooked? Or why do those stories get more attention than others? Well, Dulce Sloan and Roywood. sat down to talk about it. What's happening Dee? Chilling, chill in. Have you seen this man, all this wall-to-wall coverage?

Of, like, of missing white women? Like, you would think... That's all they do. That's all Nancy Grace does, all day. I know it's tragic in every case, but the way the media covers it you would think only white women go miss you know what man let's chat all right that the key to the key is to be white woman missing that I don't know what I do know is that the key to being found if you go missing is to be white and be a woman well not only that you gotta be white and be a woman well if you want to

be looked for. Well, not only that, you've got to be white, you've got to be a woman, you have to be young, you have to be blonde, you have to be pretty. If you're not any of these things, then you have to be pregnant. And then if you're not that, then your husband, then, thahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Then, th. Then, th. Then, th. Then, th. Then, th. Then, th. Then, th. Then, th. Then, th. Then, you, you, you you you, you you you you you you've to be to be you've to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be you, you, you, you, you, you got you got you got you got you got you got you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you th. th. You, you th. th. th. th. th. th. th. you thi, you got thi. the. to be white, you got to be white, you got to be white, you got to be white, you got to be white, you got to be to be to be to be to be to be's a crazy thing. Of the 800,000 people that go missing. 800,000? Almost a million. A million people are missing? A million people are missing. A million people are missing? A million people are you never see again? A Memphis. A whole ass. A whole Memphis, Tennessee goes missing. My question is if them people get adjusted or does a number of people you never see again? That's a good question that I can't answer right now. Look, of the 800,000 people that go missing every year, 60% of people of color, 30% is black. But the United States is only 13% black. They snatching us up. It's even worse with the indigenous community. Why does

the news focus on this instead of all that? Oh, the news is just giving people what they want. If a white woman is in danger then, how did the system fail her? But if somebody snatches me, they're gonna go, she probably has a proximity to criminals anyway. You're from the other side of the tracks. You were hanging with the criminal element. Right, and I'm second generation suburbs, so. You know the only time they talk about kidnap black people is when they escape. Yeah. That's the only time kid the black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black black the ne black the ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne ne- the ne- the ne- the ne- the ne- the ne- the ne- their s. their s. their s. their s. their s. their s. their s. their sna. their s. their s. their s. their s. their s. their s. their s. their s. their s. their s. their s. their s. their s. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. t. t. t. tie. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the Yeah. That's the only time kidnapped black people even make the news. We got to get free, then they go, did you hear about the Negro that got free?

Well, of course, but it plays into the idea of us being stronger, faster. Would the police look for me if my family released a picture of me with blonde hair? Doesn't matter. You ain't seen me with blonde hair. You don't know. Listen, I've seen Cisco and ain't nobody looking for him even. So if you're black and indigenous,

then your best bet is when you go to the police with this report of your child, to say, my child is 23 years old, five foot six, she enjoys hiking and she had a broken tail light. Or you could tell her that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that shetell her that she's dating a lacrosse player. You have to connect the child. Like you have to like if your black daughter goes missing, you have to attach your daughter to whiteness. She was leaving gymnastics practice. She was leaving soccer practice. You can't say that she was on the drill team. Hummus. Right. She was having her afternoon hummus snack at gymnastics practice. She is a 23-year-old virgin who just got certified

in Christian Yoga. Oh, that's white. She volunteers at a no-kill shelter that specializes in disabled animals. Oh, shit, they're gonna find her. You know the whereabouts of La Keisha, Joanne Jackson. Call Crime Stoppers. 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 55. 55. It's like the old pizza hunt number.

Is that how it had to work? Yes, I think there'd be a lot easier to find a woman whose last name is Jenkins, Jr. But the search is getting out of hand. They're trying to find a fiancee to who they believed who the white, who the white, who the white, who thured, who thured, who thed, who the white, who tho, who thed, who thi, who they believe killed the white woman. Dog the Bounty Hunter volunteered to come help. Good. He's been looking for white people forever. He knows what he'd be hiding.

First off, what little nooks and crannies they've been in. Dog the Bounty hunter, tracked down my balk is on the island. Why you respecting somebody who found a their their the is. Just you stay at the jungle in Hawaii, it's over Jack. I can hide here in a volcano. You can't even come over here. It's hot. Like, there's a lot of places. There's also, Hawaii's got multiple islands. It's not just one island. How you get to the island?

Boat or a plane. Yeah. You stand here by the boat in the live. Yes. Thank you so much for Roy and Dulce. All right, when we come back, I'll be talking to activist and lawyer, Derek Pernell, about the end of the police in America. Yeah, that's what I said. Don't go away. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it.

This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. You're rolling? But that's all about to change. Like, none of this stuff gets looked at. That's what's incredible. I'm Seth Done of CBS News.

Listen to 60 minutes, a second look, starting September 17th, wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is a lawyer, activist and writer, Derek Pernell. She's here to talk about her brand new book that explores what abolishing the police really looks like. Derek, welcome to the show. Hi, thank you so much for having me. You have written a book that is sure to get you a ton of praise, and then, I mean, death threats and criticisms from the high heavens. Because, I mean, like, I've learned this personally,

if you even suggest a criticism of the police, especially in America, you are seen as somebody who hates all police. You're seen as somebody who loves crime. You're seen as somebody who just doesn't believe in a functioning society. Yes. But when you go abolish the police, I mean, let's start with that. How do you even begin a conversation

around like abolishing the police without having people believe that then we're gonna be living in like a mad max dystopian future? Oh, well, it depends on who's th. thi their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, th. thi, thi, thi, thoes, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, th. the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. the. thoooooooo toe. too too too too too. too. too. too. the. too. tho. toe. depends on who I'm talking to, right? So there are people who I organize with or communities where I live, and when I talk about police abolition, the first question is, now what about the murderers, what about the rapists? Will I be safe?

Right. And I'm usually in conversation with people who are most vulnerable to violence from their lovers, their neighbors, strangers, their their their their their their their their strangers, their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thapers, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thii, thi, their, their, and their, and their, and their, their, their, their, their, their, toe, toe, and I, and I, and I, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, is, is.................. And, is is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is. And, their their thea.ea.eaughe is.e is.e is.e isa.e isa.ea. And, their, their, their, toe. neighbors, strangers, cops. And so then I asked them, with a million cops right now, do you feel safe? And usually the answer is no. And what abolition feels like to them is nothing. Right, right. And when you have nothing, no investment in your education, and your health care, and any of the things that will make you live a life where you can thrive, police feel like something and something

can feel like everything, right? If your option is nothing. And so why I try to articulate is that police abolition or prison abolition is not merely the absence of police, right? It's eliminating the root causes of harm, and it's eliminated the kind of society that could rely on police to solve that harm, because, the police, the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thrace, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, police, police, police, police, police, police, police, police, police, police, police, police, police, police, police, police, police, thi, police, police, thi, police, thi, and police, and police, thi, and police, thi, and thi, and thi, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and thi, and thro, and I's throoooooooa, and I's throauiauiauiauia, and somea, police, police, police, police, police, and I's thia, and it's eliminated the kind of society that could rely on police to solve that harm. Because we know police can't solve it. So that's sort of where I start. I ask people if they feel safe, what makes them feel safe? And how can we start building that world together instead of just relying on police to do that work because it's ineffective. I ask this question, I go, why can we not as society, why thiiiiiiiiiiiii, ththea, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their their their, their, their, their, their, their their, their their their poe, their po, their police police police police their police their, their police their, their, their, their, their, their police their, the the the th. th. th. th is thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. tho, thooooo. teole, to, to. to. to. the the thea. tho tho tho not as society not just eliminate the need for police in those certain areas? So we go, I agree with you, police shouldn't be

helping people unlock their cars, police shouldn't be helping a homeless person who's on the street, police shouldn't be interacting with somebody who has a mental illness, police shouldn't be coming to you because you played your music too loud, etc, etc etc. And police I think would say the same thing. And the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. th. th. th. th. thr-I, I thr-I, I thr-I's, I thr-I's, I thr-I's, thin, thin't thr-I's, that, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, the, shouldn't the, shouldn't the, shouldn't the, shouldn't the, the, thu, shouldn't thu, thu, thu, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the shouldn't the shouldn't the shouldn't thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean't thean't thean't thr-s th, would say the same thing. Of course. So if we eliminate the need for police to do those things, and then they can focus on subduing criminals, you know, like as you said, the murderers, the killers, the kidnappers, the whatever it would be, would that not solve the problem? Why do you still argue for abolition as a whole? Oh, yeah, of course. Well, one reason, one the the the the the the the the the the the the the the reason, the reason, the the reason, the the reason, the they. the they. they. they is they is they is they is they is to to to to to to tooes they is to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be tooes, tooes tooes is is tooes is the the their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I is th. I is the the the the the the the the th. I is the the th. th. th. thoes. thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooes. toe. toe.aa We should ask questions like, why do people kill people? Or why do people commit sexual violence? Because sending police to go and arrest someone who's a murderer, it doesn't prevent the murder, right?

So I think about the neighborhood where I grew up. So many black boys that I had questions on don't live to become men. They just don't, they don't make it past 21, they don't make it past 15, it don't make it past 30. It the police the police the police the police, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. thi. thi, th, their, thi, thi, thi, their, their, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th. Ande, th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thia. thia. thia. thia. thrownea. th thrownea, thrownea, thrownea, thrownea, it past 15, they don't make it past 30. It's not as if police are standing out in front of their houses every night protecting them from the bullets that enter their windows. That's not what policing do. Police can go get the person who may have killed them, but that doesn't save lives. That's 15,000, 16,000 people, rather, who are killed in the US every single year. And what we essentially task task task task tasks tasks tasks tasks tasks tasks tasks ta tha tha tha tha to to to to to the police to to go the to go to go the to go to go the the the the the the the to go go go the the the the police their, their, their, their, their, their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. thi. the. theateateateateatean. th th th toean.ean.ean. th th thean. thean. th thean. thean. th th th every single year. And what we essentially task police to do is go be body searchers.

When we actually know what eliminates and prevents murders, right, which is a strong economy, jobs, health care, education, being connected as a part of a community where there's accountability. If you're disrupting communities by taking away jobs, by decimating education, by putting people in prison, so then when they come out, they're in a much more precarious situation in the first place, you're essentially creating the conditions for more violence, right? And that doesn't keep anybody safe. In a world where the police have been abolished.

Yes. Two things. One, what is the transitionary period? Okay. You know, because that's a scary part. It's like, because when you go abolish the police, people go like, so no police tomorrow? Does that mean we get a triple spike of murder? That is not worth. And then the second part of that question is so it's like, one, what is the transitionary period? Yes, what, th. th. th. th. that, that, that, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, that, because, because, that, because, that, because, because, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, because, because, that, that's, that, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, that, because, that, because, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. th. th. that, th. th. th. that's, th. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, the. the been killing from Bible times. You know, so what then happens. So let's start with what is the transitionary period? Yes, can I actually answer the questions in River? Oh yeah, go ahead. Yeah, so if we think about something like, I don't know, murder. Lots of murder happen because a man wants to control the sexuality of a woman. Okay. Okay. And so that's not something

that's natural to a man. It's something he's conditioned to do under patriarchy, right? And so abolitionist asks, how can we eradicate thrown the to thrown? What's conditioning men to believe that they should be able to control a woman's sexual life, right? How do we eradicate that impulse to say no you can't leave this house? the their? their? the the the the th? th? th. th. the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin' tho, tho, thin. thin. thin-in- thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin. thin. impulse to say, no, you can't leave this house, no, you can't break up with me? To the point where we'll murder that person. The second reason why people kill each other is for control over petty arguments. Something you've said, and I'm using men as an example

because they're overwhelmingly convicted of murder, right, right. Okay, okay. Not to, yeah, not to dissent any man. Okay, so the second reason why people kill each other is because of these petty arguments, right? It's like, you said something that insult to my manhood and now I'm angry and now we're gonna. Oh, you've taken something? You've taken something? Exactly, exactly. So, people are conditioned. that and the good thing about well it's not good that they're conditioned but that conditioning can be undone right we can teach people to have different

kinds of relationships we can teach men and boys and children how to interact with women differently or people who are trans or people or queer. I don't disagree with that. However I wonder is that not leading to a utopian place like it's a utopian ideal, but what happens? I still ask the only question, which is, what happens if eight out of 10 men are like, we've been conditioned, we are fine with this? Yes. Two out of 10 men come and go,

I'm taking what's yours, I'm killing your woman, I'm doing. Who then now? Yes, which is why I try to answer the questions questions questions questions questions questions questions questions questions questions questions questions questions the questions questions questions the questions questions the questions the questions questions the questions the questions the questions the questions the questions the questions the questions the questions Abolition does not happen overnight. There are a million cops. There are 2,300 jails and prisons there. 18,000 law enforcement agencies. America loves cops. There's no way abolition is gonna happen like overnight. And there's no abolitionist who I know, who are organized with,

who expects it to happen. What we do expect people is to be committed to experimentation, to figure out how to get there. How do we get to to to to th, their, their, their, th, their, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, tho, th, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, the they....... the tho, tho, they... they. they.1. the the they.a, they.a, the the the that two out of ten? Because right now we're in a society where it's like nine out of ten, right? How do we even get there? And also what's frustrating is that people will have, take a whole step back and say, well, you don't have an answer for every single scenario. You don't have an answer for every single scenario. So there's no need to toa. don't have an answer for every single scenario. But who is funded? Police, right?

We get increased police budgets, murder jumps, okay, we need to increase police. Well, if they knew the answer, if more police was the answer, then why isn't murder decreasing? Why isn't all these ills in society decreasing? And so we're doing the inverse, right? So the one example that's usually helpful for me is an analogy of like a house with a with a leaky roof. Right, right, so you have it's dripping and dripping and dripping and dripping and then you put a bucket underneath it to catch this water. The leak picks up. Next thing you know the buckets are overflowing and at some point someone has scents in the house says, we need to get rid of these buckets because they're like, it's mess everywhere, it's not working on the leak.

And abolitionists are trying to figure out, well, why is the house leaking in the first place? Right? And the police are kind of like the buckets, it's kind of like, the bucc take buckets out of my house? This is going to flood. It's going to smell like mildew is going to be messy. We're like, no, no, no, no, no. We don't want your house to flood. We want the roof to stop leaking. And it's going to take much more to stop leaking than it is just to keep

replacing buckets, buying buckets, colors of buckets. That's there's only so much we can do with that because buckets were not intended to stop leaks, right? That takes a different kind of skill and a different kind of imagination a different kind of commitment. Fundamentally what you're saying is Americans need to think about solving the cause instead of only treating the symptoms. Yes. And to that I say good luck. Okay. Thank you so much for joining me. It's been amazing having you here and your book. And your th. And your the th. And your the th. th. the th. the th. th. to. to, the to, to, to, the th. th. to, th. thi. to, thi. thi, thi, thi, to be, to, thi, thi, tooes, to, to, to, to to, tooes, tooes, tooes, tooes, tooes, to be to be to be to, to, to be, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. the thi. the the the the the tea. Wea. the their their the tea.ea. Wea. Wea. tea. tea. tea. tea, tea.. Derek, thank you so much for joining me. Of course. It's been amazing having you here and your book is twice as amazing as the conversation because you can have it for much longer. So, uh, Derek's book, Becoming Abolitionists. We'll be available October 5th.

We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be right back after this. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi-and and thi-and-and-and-and-and-and-a-a-a-and-a-a-a-a'-a'er-a'er, thi-a'er, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thii-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, and th, and th, and thi-s thi-s thi-s thi-s, and thi-s, thi-s, thi-s-s-s-s-si-siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-s, thi-s thi-s thi September 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. But that's all about to change. Like none of this stuff gets looked at. That's what's incredible. I'm Seth Done of CBS News, listened to 60 Minutes, a second look on Apple podcasts starting September 17.

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