The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Kimberly Guilfoyle Caught Begging Trump Donor to Pay Her $100K Amex Bill | Kyle MacLachlan

Episode Date: October 9, 2026

Kimberly Guilfoyle takes a page out of the Trump corruption playbook by reportedly demanding a $100,000 Amex payment from pizza exec Eric Deters, who found himself disappointed when she didn't get his... s**tty music into the hands of MAGA loyalist Kid Rock. This was apparently the last straw that led Deters to rat her out, which has Michael Kosta wondering how to know who can give you the best value for your bribe. Trump's plan to build 27 miles of border wall in Arizona's San Rafael Valley is aimed at keeping immigrants out, but it comes with one major complication: How are the local jaguars supposed to f**k? Grace Kuhlenschmidt traveled to Arizona to see how this wall controversy is playing out on the ground, hearing from environmental activist Russ McSpadden and a host of locals and officials whose opinions range from "It's just damn sad" to "And?" Emmy-nominated and Golden Globe-winning actor Kyle MacLachlan joins Michael to discuss his bestselling memoir, "Fictional Selves." MacLachlan opens up about bouncing back from a disappointing debut in the 1984 version of “Dune,” the tight-knit relationship he developed with director David Lynch throughout his career, his most iconic roles from “Sex and the City” to “Showgirls,” and the surprising, industry-changing success of “Twin Peaks.” Plus, hear about the wine label MacLachlan started with his dad and how he learned to navigate Hollywood and advocate for himself on set. -- Go to https://Quince.com/dailyshow for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. -- https://homeserve.com/tds -- The Daily Show airs weeknights at 11/10c on Comedy Central. Stream full episodes on Paramount+ Follow TDS: YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:30 This is The Daily Show with your host. Michael Custle. One Trump donor finds that a bribe doesn't go as far as it used to. There's a new problem with the border wall, and Kimberly Guilfoyle's latest scandal will have you saying, oh, right, her. And later on, the great Kyle McLaughlin will be here. But first, let's get into another edition of the worst wing.
Starting point is 00:02:17 What a bunch of losers. Let's start with the U.S. ambassador to Greece, Kimberly Gilfoyle. You might remember her as Don Jr.'s. former fiance. Sadly, the relationship fell apart after they got to know each other. Or you might remember her from the Trump campaign where she gave this epic speech. Ladies and gentlemen, leaders and fighters for freedom and liberty and the American dream, the best is yet to come. Sadly, her sign language interpreter died of exhaustion.
Starting point is 00:03:00 Of course, before Gilfoy broke the sound barrier, she reportedly made history as the only woman to get fired from Fox News for sexual harassment. Hey, hey, you go, girl. No, specifically to HR. Go to HR immediately. With such a stellar resume, it's no surprise that she was nominated to be Trump's ambassador to Greece,
Starting point is 00:03:23 a critical role in overseeing America's big, fat weddings. And so, it's reassuring to know our diplomatic corps is staffed with such paragon of integrity and above all dignity. U.S. Ambassador to Greece and Donald Trump Jr.'s former fiance, Kimberly Guilfoil, pushed a Trump donor to send her $100,000 to pay her American Express bill last year.
Starting point is 00:03:45 Honey, please, I need you to get this done for me today. Adding a prayer hands emoji and a PDF with bill payment instructions from American Express. Wow, that was not subtle. Um, usually it's meet me in the parking lot with a suitcase full of bills, but Gilfoyle was like, Here is a PDF with instructions for how to send me a bribe.
Starting point is 00:04:06 Please send the bribe today, honey. Man, if the Justice Department still existed, you'd be in so much trouble. And damn, $100,000 credit card bill. Ah, now her current job makes sense. We need a new ambassador who really understands Greece. Kimberly, you're deep in debt. You'd be perfect.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Yes, Kimberly Gilfoyle, seen here, demonstrating the size of her debt, wanted this guy to pay off her MX card. But the question is, well, what does he get out of it? Gilfoyle told him if he paid her MX bill, quote, I will be your Trump ride or die
Starting point is 00:04:55 forever and ever. Oh, Trump's ride or die. That's a good deal. Everyone knows there's no closer relationship than that of a man and his son's incredibly loud ex-fiance. Now, maybe you're thinking, is it possible that Kimberly Guilfoyle was too stupid to understand that this was wrong,
Starting point is 00:05:12 and that is a reasonable thought. But judging by her other texts, she knew. Gilfoyle began to express concerns about their dealings becoming public and sent him this message on Signal. Eric, I really wish you would stop papering all these things. It's really dangerous and not helpful to you or me
Starting point is 00:05:31 while you could simply just call me on Signal. She added, what a nightmare. You literally cost me my ambassadorship. Stop writing. Real criminal mastermind we got here. She left a paper trail about not leaving a paper trail. Didn't help that she named the group chat paper trail, parentheses, crimes. She had a point, though.
Starting point is 00:06:00 Why wouldn't this guy just call her on the phone? Oh, yeah, right. I'd probably would have texted her too. So the question is, who was this donor that Kim was shaking down for MX points? I assume, as ambassador to Greece, the type of donors she's dealing with are shipping magnets or international art dealers, people like that. The donor was a man named Eric Dieter's an attorney and former co-owner of the regional pizza chain, Snappy Tomato Pizza. Oh. So this thing goes all the way to the top of that regional Kentucky pizza chain. Seriously, what's a snappy tomato?
Starting point is 00:06:45 Sounds like a slur for an Italian guy with a bad temper or... Should I just say an Italian guy? The Greeks, Italians, we're going after everybody. Now, to be clear, Kimberly Gilfoy wasn't the only one asking for favors. Mr. Tomato also had specific favors he wanted from her. He wanted her to lobby on his behalf to the IRS Commissioner to help him resolve a tax dispute. Dieter's promise Gilfoyle as much as a million dollars if she was successful.
Starting point is 00:07:20 He also wanted her to help him get on Tucker Carlson's podcast. He wanted her to send a song he wrote to Kid Rock. He wanted her to send a song to Kid Rock? Trust me, you don't need to send a shitty song to Kid Rock. He has plenty at home. You don't need to bribe someone to get a song to Kid Rock. Just strap a CD to a beer can and throw it into his yard. Obviously, I'm kidding.
Starting point is 00:07:54 I don't know if the song is bad, okay? But Dieter's did put it on YouTube. So let's hear it. Hey, don't laugh. Don't laugh. That was my wedding song. All right, so as far as I can tell, this is a song about a guy who's gotten the shit kicked out of him so many times. He forgot that he already sang several lines about getting the shit kicked out of him. And yeah, that song doesn't make any sense, but on the bright side, I will never listen to it again. But maybe the biggest twist in this whole scandal is that the only reason we know about this scandal is because Pizza Boy himself decided to go public.
Starting point is 00:08:57 probably because he knew the entire arrangement was unethical, unless it was something else. In a message last summer, a frustrated Dieter's told Guilfoyle, quote, I have paid you $300,000 over the years. As of this memo, I have not received one favor. I am not naive or a sucker. I need results. You haven't got me on Tucker.
Starting point is 00:09:18 You haven't got me on a Fox interview. You haven't done squat. You didn't get Kid Rock the song that I wrote. That was called the Kentucky Outlaw. So you haven't done anything. for me. That is one snappy tomato.
Starting point is 00:09:34 Yeah. So wait. This guy alerted the media because he's mad that Gilfoyle didn't hold up her end of the
Starting point is 00:09:43 bribery bargain. I've never seen someone asked to speak to the manager of corruption before. Do you know who I am? I wrote Kentucky Outlaw. So Kimberly
Starting point is 00:09:53 Guilfoyle was apparently selling access to the White House, which means the Trump administration's corruption is so widespread it runs the gamut from the president getting a half a billion dollar jet from Cotter all the way down to an ambassador,
Starting point is 00:10:06 getting your manicures paid off by Kentucky's third best pizza chain. Well, I guess the best is really yet to come. Although, as we've seen, it can be hard to know who will actually follow through on your bribe. And that's why the Trump White House is now taking action. The Trump administration is full of scammers trying to offer favors for bribes. But which scammers can you really trust? Introducing Donnie's List, where you can search for reliable grifters, guaranteed by the president himself. From pardon brokers to crypto greasemen to sons, you'll get the quid you pro quo for.
Starting point is 00:10:51 So the next time you're being grifted to get your Outlock country song to Kid Rock, make sure they have the Donnie's List certificate of fraudulence. And know that you're being taken advantage of by the very best. What do you want more than anything else? What present would you like? Donnie's list. Have confidence in your comments. Well, I think we can work that out.
Starting point is 00:11:12 But could it also be affecting other visitors? Grace Koolenschmidt has more. Walls. They aren't just emotional barriers we use to avoid human intimacy. They're also physical structures that Donald Trump is using to avoid intimacy with immigrants. Which is why he is building 27 miles of new wall in Arizona's San Refinery. Valley along the border with Mexico. We will also seal the border and stop the migrant invasion.
Starting point is 00:12:06 But some people want our border wide open for any invaders. Like activist whose name sounds totally made up, Russ McSpadden. Well, we're currently suing the Trump administration and the Department of Homeland Security. We don't need a border wall, and especially not in the places that they're building the wall right now. So if you're not into borders, what if I violate your boundaries. Like, I start getting really in depth about my relationship with my mother. I don't think you would like that in the same way that I don't think she likes me. Yeah, that would be really uncomfortable.
Starting point is 00:12:42 But the San Rafael Valley is really one of the most important jaguar corridors left in the United States with connection to the breeding population in Mexico. I'm sorry, jaguars? I've heard about mules and I've heard about coyotes, but I haven't I've heard about jaguars. Yeah, jaguars are here right now in the United States. We know that mules smuggle drugs and coyotes move people. But what exactly is jaguars code for? Fortunately, Russ has been tracking their activities.
Starting point is 00:13:13 Oh, my God, jaguars like the animals. Wow. Makes more sense. Yeah. So you want these dangerous predators to cross the border and come into America? They're really returning home. This is one population of jaguars. And they just need to be able to move back and forth,
Starting point is 00:13:31 to breed and to expand their territory. So if we build this wall, the main thing we're restricting is, I don't know how to say this, like, scientifically, the Jaguar's . Right? Yes, I think that's absolutely correct. And building a wall against these Jaguar sex fiends
Starting point is 00:13:51 is the only solution, according to Republican County Chairman and Caucasian Zora, Dan Dellenegis. I think the wall is necessary under today's circumstances. I mean, I get it. You're in support of the border wall because of these dangerous predators
Starting point is 00:14:06 that come over from it. They're sleek, they're fast, and they camouflage naturally at night. I'm not privy to any of that. But we wouldn't need the wall if we didn't have a problem with immigration and the trafficking of humans and drugs. Okay. I'm so confused.
Starting point is 00:14:27 I thought that you were. for the wall because you like don't like jaguars like being in love and stuff, but you want to deter people. That is correct. I want to deter illegal people. Gotcha. So what would you say to a jaguar whose high school sweetheart is on the other side of the wall? Well, we don't have that many jaguars anymore. That breaks my heart. He's obviously not a cat person, but does everybody in the sleepy border town get off on blocking jay? Daguars? Basically, I'm against it.
Starting point is 00:15:00 Once that wall goes up, it's over. I think it's a crime. It's hideous. We're going to end up spending the boatload to build it. But isn't Mexico paying for it? That's going to pay them for shit. Only many would think they would. Yeah, who knows?
Starting point is 00:15:17 Trump may get Mexico to pay for it. Oh. It's a waste of money. It damages our planet. I don't know. It's just damn sad that we have to look at that piece of shit. shit. I think they should build the wall all the way along our border. So there are these cats. They call them jaguars and... I know what a jaguar is. Yeah. If they get stuck on one side of the wall,
Starting point is 00:15:39 they may never see their lover again. And what pulls on my heartstring is all the illegals coming across invading our country. And is that a super popular area for immigrants to come through? I don't know. Why is everybody upset about it then? I don't know. I don't know. I don't I don't know either. I don't know. Me either. So do we need a border wall or not? If only there was some kind of law enforcement official who could help me work this out, in a cool hat. People say you're not a country if you don't have a border and then you have to have a wall.
Starting point is 00:16:16 92% of the world's land borders do not have any structure. They don't have a fence, a wall, they don't even have a line of rocks like the Canadian border. So there's no border patrol here? What's going to keep someone from coming across? Well, there's no people coming across here. here and they don't want to come across here. We have vibration sensors in the ground hidden. There's drones, unmanned drones, and there's motion-activated cameras.
Starting point is 00:16:37 Oh, there's cameras watching us right now? Yeah, conceivably, yes. I would have dressed up a little bit. You look fine face. No, Sheriff, you look great too. I love this little homemade get-up, you have. But whether we need it or not, the Trump administration is spending $47 billion on this new border wall, which means that these majestic felines will soon
Starting point is 00:16:58 be identifiable not just by their distinctive spots, but by their blue balls, unless some genius has a solution. I think that there should be certain openings maybe in the border wall, that these animals could do their thing, and they would be border patrols sitting there watching them. So your idea is we have a hole in the wall where the jaguars can mate, right? Yeah, or several holes. But do you think that these Border Patrol agents would like watch the Jaguars mate, or Do you feel like that's an invasion of privacy?
Starting point is 00:17:31 I couldn't answer that. Of course. A Jaguar glory hole. Why didn't I think of that? Author of the best-selling memoir, fictional selves, please welcome Kyle McLaughlin! I feel like I'm a correspondent now. You're awesome.
Starting point is 00:18:30 You're welcome to the Daily Show. We'd love to have you as a correspondent. Oh, come on. What do I do? What do I do? You have done enough stuff in your career. Actually, there was no corresponding at the Daily Show in this book. But, man, thank you for writing this memoir.
Starting point is 00:18:42 It is open. Your successes are in here. Your failures are in here. And one of the things I found most fascinating was your debut into Hollywood. You're at a local theater in Seattle. You get plucked out of there to star in Dune. David Lynch's Dune in 1984.
Starting point is 00:19:03 Yes. How the fuck did that happen? Well, I'll tell you. There was a plan. No, no, it was crazy. It was, you know, this book was so important to me when I was a kid. I started reading when it was about 15. I read it every year.
Starting point is 00:19:21 The Dune Books. Yeah, I really, really knew the book. Well, so I got a call on my answering machine in my little apartment in Seattle that this casting agent is coming to Seattle and she would like to meet me for this role of Paul in Dune. And I'm like, someone's prank in me. Yeah, exactly. This is not right. This can't happen.
Starting point is 00:19:37 I met her downtown in a hotel. Not what you think. This is Seattle, not L.A. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. She put me on tape. I did a couple scenes. She showed them to David in Los Angeles, and they said, yeah, bring him down. We'd like to meet him.
Starting point is 00:19:51 And they paid for my flight to L.A. Right. That was pretty good. That was good. Right there. So I'm winning from that point on, right? I mean, they made action figures of you. Yes, they did. You were on billboards.
Starting point is 00:20:05 Yes, and lunch boxes. And lunch boxes. Yes. Okay. They're excited, but it failed. Yes, it did. I mean, I don't want to say it failed, but it didn't turn out to be what everyone thought it was. Right.
Starting point is 00:20:18 The expectations were pretty high. Did not do well. You had a multi, you had multiple, you already had your contract for sequels. Yeah, five dunes I was going to do. Three non-doon pictures. Wow. It was, it was large. Yes.
Starting point is 00:20:33 And yeah, the movie came out about a week later. They called and said, all right, no more dune pictures. I'm like, okay, great. And maybe we'll do a non-dune option picture. I was like, okay, whatever. Yeah, that was kind of a way. wake-up call. What's your perspective on that now? I mean, you now know the business inside and out. Yeah. But that is such a strange place to start. It was such an odd place to start.
Starting point is 00:20:53 Yeah. The thing that was probably the most difficult was when I signed the contract, they said, oh, by the way, you can't work in a movie or a television show until the movie comes out. So we've wrapped in 1983, September of 83. The movie didn't come out until December of 84. Right. So I've got a large chunk of time where I'm not doing anything. Yeah. And, you know, You know, had I had the opportunity, I could have done maybe a movie or two or a show or something that would have then kind of kept it going after Dune collapsed. But one of the things you did do was you didn't know how to ride a motorcycle, but you bought one and you took a trip across different countries.
Starting point is 00:21:30 You have done your research, my good friend. And at one point, you ran out of gas. And then someone said, well, you know about your reserve tank, right? And you said, what are you talking about? I don't know what you're speaking of. What are actors supposed to do with this time? Well, that's it. That's it.
Starting point is 00:21:45 You can't work anywhere else. No. I did a play for a couple of months. Well, that's a couple months. Yeah. So I decided I would travel through Europe. So, yeah, I went and Trevor taught me a little bit about how to ride a dirt bike on the back lot of Dune. So I go to Slough outside London.
Starting point is 00:21:58 I buy a motorcycle there from Sid Morham's comp shop. I don't think it's there anymore. And I jump on the bike. I don't know how to start it. Right. I get on it because it's a kickstar, right? And I was like, and so I kind of look around and I pretend I knowing I see there's a button there. I wonder what this does.
Starting point is 00:22:13 And so I pushed that. That was it. Yeah. So I figured it out. Just for young people out there, this is not how you should learn to ride a motorcycle. This is not. Yeah, don't do as I do or as I say. Right.
Starting point is 00:22:23 But yeah. Even though Dune was a, you know, it didn't turn out to be what you wanted to be. Debacle. That's okay. You can say it. No, no, it's great. It did establish this very important relationship for you with the iconic director, David Lynch. Yes.
Starting point is 00:22:37 And, you know, you're. You're very honest in the book about you kind of were tethered to him in ways that you appreciated and maybe ways you didn't, especially as you were starting out your career. Yeah, yeah. I know you don't like explaining David Lynch to talk show host, but can you explain him to him? Yes, yes. We've got a... How much time do we have? He, first of all, he was a very good friend. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:07 A very good friend. And as you said, one of the great directors of our time, if not. all time. And we had just an extraordinary working relationship and a friendship together. But you're right. When I was doing Twin Peaks, I became so identified with this character, with this role, that I was feeling like, you know what, I need to kind of break out of this a little bit, which I did, ultimately, but it put a little bit of a strain on the relationship when we were filming Firewalk with me. And so there was a period of time there where we, you know, we were, We were always friends and always friendly,
Starting point is 00:23:44 but there was a little bit of tension. Which just over time washes away. And to the point where when he came back and he decided he was going to do the return, Twin Peaks, The Return, I was so excited to get back in the suit. I couldn't wait. Because I got to get back in the suit. Then I got to also play the crazy Dougie Jones
Starting point is 00:24:04 with the P-suit, the two-colored suit. You're talking about Twin Peaks, the Return. Yes, exactly. playing Dougie Jones, Special Agent Cooper, and an enigmatic character for Mr. C. I call Mr. C, who was a psychopath. Do you get paid three times? I mean, you're playing three times. There is an argument to be made for that.
Starting point is 00:24:26 I was just going to say. Let's back it up to when Twin Peaks debuted. Oh, my gosh. Because this was not, you didn't, you say in the book, we didn't even think this pilot would go anywhere. This was insanity. Yeah, no. Six episodes.
Starting point is 00:24:39 Yeah. 35 million people watched the first episode. That's hard to even comprehend. Yeah. It was a different era, of course. And people, there was an expectation, there was a drumbeat, there was a buzz about this pilot. And it had such huge numbers to start off with. People were, because they'd never seen anything like it before.
Starting point is 00:24:59 This was a TV show that was shot like a film, cinematic. It had music that was unusual, different, unexpected intelligence. They had performances that were very strange and sort of hard to follow. And people just ate it up. They loved it. My mom wouldn't let me watch a lot of TV. And she would say, no, you can't watch Mary with Children.
Starting point is 00:25:22 No, you can't watch MTV? I remember asking her, can I watch Twin Peaks? And she said, I'm not sure yet. And that was like, that's so classic David Lynch, isn't it? We don't even know what it is we're watching at this point. Yeah, yeah. I like your mom. That's cool.
Starting point is 00:25:36 That's cool. She's watching. Jan, how you doing? I see him. Fictional selves, you know, there's this internal battle you have with maybe the other Kyle who wants you to be kind of the, is it a Tom Cruisey, Belkiller leading man? Yeah, what's along with that? Why can't you sort of step into that?
Starting point is 00:25:57 So he's constantly berating me. But I do feel like we all have this, I don't know, inner critic maybe or someone that's always, you know, that depending upon the time of day. I find during the day I'm pretty good. He stays pretty quiet. Three o'clock in the morning when I wake up and I can't sleep. I'm like, well, there he is right there. Looking right at me.
Starting point is 00:26:16 He's telling me what I did wrong. So he's still active. Oh, he's still active. And, you know, part of what I found fascinating is how you navigated your career. And it's hard to know when you're a young man in Hollywood. You don't know what the hell's going on. You really, I didn't. You have a relationship maybe with one director, but you don't want to have other.
Starting point is 00:26:34 But are you happy? with how it ended up? Do you wish you were more... I mean, I can't say you're not a leading man, but I can't say you haven't done supporting roles also. Yeah. And you've carved your own situation. I have. And you're right.
Starting point is 00:26:48 I am... I'm pretty content about that. It takes... You know, it took time. It took 40 years. I've been doing this, you know? Damn. But, yeah, I know, right? Get serious.
Starting point is 00:26:58 Attacked you, man, 40 years. But, yeah, I am. I've been incredibly lucky. You know, with age comes gratitude, or it should come. And so I look back and I really can't believe I'm here. I can't believe I'm sitting with you here on The Daily Show. It's a stretch for me, too. It is.
Starting point is 00:27:18 It is. That's the coolest part of my job is I get to talk to such. This week I've talked to Aaron Sorkin, Sebastian Stan, and now Kyle McLaugh. Isn't that cool? That's awesome. That's cool. So that's very cool. Yeah, two of my favorites.
Starting point is 00:27:31 Yeah, great. I loved how you shared in Desperate Housewives. One of your co-stars, Marcia Cross, told you. that you tend to undercut your performance. Yeah, my power. That you sometimes run from your power. And that really connected with me. And yet also on Desperate Housewives,
Starting point is 00:27:47 you kind of advocated for yourself to be in more episodes. Is that right? Yeah, I did. I went to Mark Cherry, who was a creator, and I said, early on, I said, because I got to say, working with Marsha Cross was just magical. She's such an extraordinary actress and a wonderful person.
Starting point is 00:28:03 And I said, I would like to keep doing this. Because I knew my arc. My arc was supposed to end at the end of the same. season. I was going to be the killer, blah, blah, blah, done. And I went to him and I said, can I, is there a way we can, you know, massage this so that I can maybe stay around a little longer? And that's when he brought in Dixie Carter to play my mom. Got it. Another, you know, mother's son, because sex in the city, we know all about that. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll talk about that next. Yeah. So we'll get to that. But that took confidence for you to advocate for yourself.
Starting point is 00:28:32 Would you have done that early in your career? I don't think so. Yeah. But it was in the moment, it was kind of in the moment, it just sort of occurred to me. And I said, I'm going to ask if I, this. I'm going to ask this. It's not going to be in a favor. Just is it even possible. Right. And Mark said, let me think about it. And I kind of fully expected it not to happen.
Starting point is 00:28:47 And he came back and said, we found a way to keep you around. And I was so happy. What did it mean to you when someone said you're running from your power? I mean, do you make changes? It was just interesting to hear? How did you internalize that? No, I kind of knew. I think I knew that I sort of, you know, and it's been that way since I was a little kid.
Starting point is 00:29:02 It's like, I go to comedy first. Right. I want to make people laugh. I want to, you know, be the, hey, it's all right. It's good. You know, I'll make it work. So when I played the Mr. C character to go back to that, who is not that at all, right?
Starting point is 00:29:14 Right. I really had to, that was the actor digging in pretty deep and finding something inside here that was like, oh, I see where it is. Yeah. And experiencing that as the character. And also recognizing this is something that's sort of like kryptonite. You know what I'm saying? It's like, this is something that you bring in and you do it.
Starting point is 00:29:31 And then at the end of the day, you put it here. And you say, okay, I'm going to, I'll see you tomorrow. But you're not coming home with you. It's very powerful. Yes. It's powerful. Let's talk about Sex in the City. Trey McDougal from Sex in the City. You make it very clear in the book.
Starting point is 00:29:47 The character is impotent, but Kyle is not. Exactly. Yes. Thank you, Michael. You know, while we're talking about it, I am not impotent either. I just want to go on the record. I didn't really have a question about that. No, that's okay. But we've got to talk about showgirls.
Starting point is 00:30:06 We got to talk about showgirls. Oh, you sure, or we can talk about tourgirls? You, you, yeah. So you saw that during your formative years. Am I right? That's how I know I'm not impotentate. There you go. That's the story we don't want to hear, honestly.
Starting point is 00:30:20 You write about it as if it was like this thing that you had to run away from and you were embarrassed to even go to the screening of it. Yeah. Yet it's kind of found its footing now. Totally. What is that like? I mean, you know, it's entertainment, right? We make entertainment.
Starting point is 00:30:35 So I said, well, it wasn't necessarily what they intended to do. But it's turned out to be pretty fun, you know. And, you know, when I was a young man, and, you know, you got to see my butt, so what the hell? You know, it's good. It lives on in posterity, so to speak. You have a wine label. I do. Pursued by Bear.
Starting point is 00:30:53 And I always am curious how actors, I feel like it's important for actors to have other things they do because there is so much waiting around. Was that the strategy with wine? You know, it was more, I come from the Pacific Northwest. I'm from eastern Washington. And this is where the wine world has sort of taken hold since 1975. And I've always really enjoyed wine. I thought, you know, maybe there's a way I can engage in this world. And honestly, to bring my dad, who was sort of getting older,
Starting point is 00:31:18 and I wasn't seeing him that much, I said, you know, this is something he might enjoy. I'll go up there. We'll figure us out. I'll develop a label. We'll start a wine company. So that's what we did, 2005. And it's called Pursued by Bear, which is a reference to a Shakespearean play, my day job. And it has been just such a wonderful journey.
Starting point is 00:31:36 I'm heavily involved, and you're right. It's a way to step away from the business, do something completely different, and yet you're creating something that you want to share to someone. Kind of like, you know, if you do a film and a movie, you're going to share that. You know, this is wine. We can share that and enjoy it together.
Starting point is 00:31:50 Plus, it's a lot classier if you're drinking too much wine if you own the label. Yeah. You know, do something that you do well. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I love this book. I love fictional selves.
Starting point is 00:32:06 You know, actors should read. read this, but everyone should read it. It's a great journey. How would you say your fictional Kyle would judge how you did in this interview? Pretty good. I think so too. Pretty good. I think so too. Thank you so much for being able to see you the best. Fictional cells are available now. Check out his podcast. What are we even doing? Kyle McLaughlin. Take quick break for a bite back after this. Building an effortless wardrobe comes down to having go-to pieces that get worn on repeat. The sweater that matches everything, the tailor-pair pants, and the favorite tea reached for again and again are what makes getting dressed simple.
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