The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Kristi Noem Plots Citizenship Hunger Games & Kash Patel Drops Epstein News | Prabal Gurung

Episode Date: May 21, 2025

Ronny Chieng covers Trump’s cabinet cracking under pressure, from Kristi Noem drawing a blank on habeas corpus, immigration getting the Bravo treatment, Kash Patel and Dan Bongino flip-flopping on Jeffrey Epstein’s “suicide,” and Sean Duffy finding an air travel solution in a Jesus painting. Ronny Chieng and Michael Kosta go head to head over NYC’s street-wide Knicks celebration, the Dodgers' new Japanese pitcher’s bathroom requests, and Bill Belichick spending the rest of his life with 24-year-old Jordon Hudson, in the latest edition of Sports War. Prabal Gurung, award-winning fashion designer and author of the new memoir “Walk Like a Girl,” describes to Ronny how his rise through the fashion world of New York began with the support of his family in Nepal, especially his mother. Gurung reflects on how the fashion industry has changed since the '90s to become more inclusive, and explains why he thinks “fashion is for everyone.” He also breaks down the West-meeting-the-East inspiration behind his designs and critiques some less-inspired MAGA fashion.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart podcast. You're listening to Comedy Central. From the most trusted journalists at Comedy Central, it's America's only source for news. This is The Daily Show with your host, Ronnie Shang. Welcome to The Daily Show. I'm Ronnie Shang. We got so much to talk about tonight. Kristi Noem fails a pop quiz. The FBI wants you to shut up about Jeffrey Epstein already.

And while you were saying that you were going to be the host, I'm going to be the host. I'm going to be the host. I'm going to be the host. I'm going to be the host. I'm going to Shang. We got so much to talk about tonight. Kristi Noem fails a pop quiz, the FBI wants you to shut up about Jeffrey Epstein already, and while you were stuck at the airport, Sean Duffy did some redecorating.

So let's check in with the best cabinet ever in another installment of The Worst Wing. ["The Worst Wing Theme"] What a bunch of losers. Let's start with Kristi Noem, Secretary of Homeland Security and one woman kill shelter. She's in charge of the country's pathway to citizenship, which for hundreds of years has been a solemn, dignified process for achieving the American dream. But what if instead it was tacky and gross? A surreal report that could turn immigration into a TV show.

The Trump administration says it's in the very beginning stages of the vetting process for a reported immigrant reality TV show, where immigrants would compete to prove they are the most American with a chance to win U.S. citizenship. A reality TV show for citizenship is somehow the most un-American and most American thing I've ever heard. Although we already have a contest to prove who's the most American and it's called the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest.

What's more American than eating until your colon explodes and then going bankrupt from medical bills? But let me be clear, I hate this idea. Unless they're looking for a host, then I love this idea. And I'm available on Fridays. I will say, it might be a nicer way to get deported. Instead of ICE agents disappearing you up in unmarked vehicles,

Ryan Seacrest walks into your living room with a TV crew and is like, Carlos, we're taking you out of the USA. But meanwhile, Kristi Noem was testifying in Congress today about whether her administration is deporting people without habeas corpus, which is their right to due process. If you didn't know what habeas corpus was, don't worry, Kristi Noem didn't Google it either.

What is habeas corpus? Well, habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president has to be able to remove people from this country and suspend their right to- Let me stop you, ma'am. Suspend their right to suspend their right to. Let me stop you ma'am. Hapius corpus, excuse me, that's incorrect. Okay, look, if Kristi Noem was just a random person on the street, I get it if she was like,

Hapius corpus, that's a Harry Potter spell, right? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Makes you invisible. But the Secretary of Homeland Security should know that a Hapius corpus prevents the president from deporting you without due process. Not that it lets the president deport you without due process.

That's the opposite of what it means. And I didn't know you could have dyslexia for laws. Either way, Noam whiffed hard on that question, but unfortunately for her, the quiz was just beginning. Do you know what section of the Constitution the suspension clause of habeas corpus is in? I do not. No.

Do you know which article it is in? No, I do not, sir. Okay, well it is in Article 1. It was't one. It was the first. You didn't even read the first one. So can you stop? We get it. Okay, stop asking her harder questions.

Like how would senators like it if Kristi Noem asked you questions that she wasn't expert in? Huh? Hey, Senator Kim, do you know how to trick a puppy into walking into an open grave? No. No? Not so smart now, are you? Anyway, Kristi Noem, you still don't know the basics of American law, so I'm sorry to say... -♪ Dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, dung, you out of USA. But luckily......

... ... ... ... ...won them back after the dog killing jokes. But luckily for America, Christine Noem isn't the only one in charge of keeping the country safe. We also got Cash Patel and Dan Bongino,

two guys who look like they should be henchmen in a Ninja Turtles movie. But are somehow running the FBI now. And before he took over, Dan Bongino wasn't afraid to tell us the truth about what the FBI was covering up. Nobody knows how much material people have on Jeffrey Epstein.

It's unbelievable, the guy killed himself and now nobody's gonna know. Yeah, exactly, Epstein killed himself? Eh. Bongino knows the truth, and now he and Cash Patel get to see all the files. So on Sunday, they sat down for an interview to tell us what really happened.

Because we know Epstein didn't just kill himself. He killed himself. What? He killed himself without air quotes? That is the craziest thing I've ever heard, all right? I was a single issue voter on this. Why did you change your mind? As a public defender, as a prosecutor

who's been in that prison system, who's been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing, you know a suicide when you see one, and that's what that was. Again, you want me to, I've seen the whole file. He killed himself. I've never seen someone so sad

that the deep state didn't kill someone. And also, hey, you can't talk so much shit about how the deep state did this and make it your entire personality. And then now you're in it and you're like, just shrugging it off like, oh yeah, I guess you're right. The first time the investigator did this. Hey, if you failed that hard,

you gotta let Hillary Clinton kill you, right? And finally, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what we're cheering for. And finally, let's talk about the Department of Transportation.

Recently, air travel in America has become what's known in the industry as totally f***ed. And I'm sure Secretary Sean Duffy has been working on a great plan to fix it. We are moving Jesus out of the basement. What? What, is that the new air traffic controller? Because that's what we need right now. To all the great midshipmen at the Merchant Marine Academy,

you let me know how important this painting was to all of you. Now, we all know it was taken out of a place of prominence and put in down in the basement. I worked with the Academy, and because this is such a historic painting, I'm announcing that through I worked with the Academy, and because this is such a historic painting, I'm announcing that through that work with the Academy, this painting is gonna go from the basement

back to its place of prominence. It'll be a moment to celebrate. Oh, thank God. No, no, no. Thank God, because when my plane is going down, I can tell the person next to me, don't worry, that's a shitty Jesus painting, it's upstairs at the Merchant Marine Academy now. For more on the return of the Jesus painting, let's go live to the painting and hear from the King of Kings himself, Jesus Christ. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought the real Jesus was like Middle Eastern or something. Well, I can take any form I wish, and this particular one gets me through airport security faster. Oh, wow. Of course. But, oh, hey, Your Majesty, Sean Duffy is taking you out of the basement. I mean, you got to be happy about that.

No, no, I'm not happy about it. There's plenty of other things to be worried about right now. Planes are falling out of the sky. Boats are crashing into the Brooklyn Bridge. Newark Airport killed itself. I mean... Not to brag, but when I was on Earth, we had zero plane crashes.

Uh, yeah, I guess that's technically true. But, um, hey, at least you can be seen by more people in this historic painting. This shitty painting? The one that looks like it was made at a bachelorette party? Drink and draw? I've seen better portraits of myself on toast, okay? You think this is how I want to be seen?

Hovering over a boat full of sailors. Hey, everybody, look! It's that famous painting. Jesus drowns in semen. Oh. Oh, no, no, no. I was fine in the basement. I've had my pictures in worse places. Irish grandmother's bedrooms, prison cells, I was fine in the basement. I've had my pictures in worse places. Irish grandmother's bedrooms, prison cells,

Mexican restaurants with a C, health rating. We grandes las cucarachas, no me gusta. La point is, worry about stuff that's actually going on. Okay, well, I mean, you're kinda Jesus. Like, can you help us with some of this airport stuff? No! No! I've got more important things on my plate than fixing all your unforced errors.

There's war, famine, the Knicks. You're welcome, by the way. Oh, whoa, holy crap. Whoa, wait, wait, wait. Wait. So that was you. Oh, no. The Knicks got this far by themselves.

Yeah. Of course it was me. Okay, so are they gonna go all the way? Oh, my God, this really is a comedy show. All right. All right. Well, hey, can you get me court-side seats? For you? Anything. All right, awesome. I'm gonna bring my friend, Jonathan Klepper. No f---- Well, hey, can you get me Quartzite seats? For you? Anything. All right, awesome.

I'm gonna bring my friend, Jonathan Klepper. No f***ing way, all right? I hate that guy. Not my best work, you know? You can't make the body long and the head long. I mean, what was I thinking? Okay. Amen to that. That's very accurate.

Hey, Jesus Christ, everybody. Hey. When we come back, Bill Belichick is in love, so don't go away. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome back to The Daily Show. I think I speak for everyone when I say politics, drools, and sports rules. For a full recap on the biggest stories in the world of jocks and straps,

we turn to Sports War. Get ready for battle. It's time for Sports War. Brought to you by gambling. Gambling. Stop hogging that extra kidney. ["Sports War Theme Song"] ["Sports War Theme Song"]

["Sports War Theme Song"] Hey! What's up, Jingleberries? I'm Roy Chieng. -♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah the hardest thing is changing a sumo wrestler's diaper, all right? I'd like to see Aaron Judge do that. I'm serious, I paid good money to see that. Oh, I paid good money to see a horse kick you in the face. Until then, let's talk sports. And the only story that matters is New York! Wild celebrations in New York City overnight after the Knicks eliminated the Boston Celtics

to make the Eastern Conference Finals for the first time in 25 years. Thousands of fans then poured into the streets postgame they like shut down everything around Penn Station, Madison Square Garden. Is that Spider-Man? Go New York, go New York, go! What a mind-blowing image. People smiling in midtown Manhattan. No city party's harder while standing in urine than New York City, all right? And I love that guy who climbed the billboard. Can you believe he only pays $1,700 a month to live up there?

It's practically a studio. But you know what? New Yorkers wait a long time. They deserve this. And the best part of this celebration? Michael Kosta wasn't there. up there is practically a studio. But you know what? New Yorkers waited a long time. They deserve this. And the best part of this celebration, Michael Kosta wasn't there. Of course I wasn't there. I was out to dinner with my best friend, P.F. Chang.

We shared fajitas at Applebee's. Great guy, actually. Hey, Knicks fans, you're partying too early. It's only the second round. Your timing is almost as bad as that idiot I saw celebrating Halloween today. He had on a cop costume. A cop car.

Was like with four other dudes in the exact same dumb cop costume. People are really f***ing stupid, man. Which brings us to our Bye Bye Boston, Better Than Night. How will New Yorkers celebrate a Knicks championship brought to you by gambling? Gambling.

I heard Greyhounds actually like running until their legs explode. Let's move on from celebrating basketball and celebrate love or whatever the hell this is. North Carolina head football coach Bill Belichick and his 24 year old girlfriend Jordan Hudson are apparently engaged. A story in the New York Times says Jordan has told one person she and Belichick are

quote engaged to be married. Yeah 73 year old Bill Belichick and 24 year old Jordan Hudson are engaged. That's going to be one hell of a wedding slash funeral. Bill, Bill, listen to me. This is all happening way too fast. I mean, has she even met your parents yet? Why is Bill locking himself down when he could be cleaning up at the nursing home?

Believe me, there's nothing hotter than going down on someone mid-dialysis. Oh! Oh! Oh! Grow up, Costa, you perv, all right? You're just jealous you'll never be famous enough to date a woman born four years from now.

We sh... We should be celebrating their love. Love is strange. That's why it's beautiful. Remember that turtle that had sex with that shoe? Well, that shoe was 40 years younger than that turtle, and they seem perfectly happy to me. Well, look, this brings us to our sugar baby bed of the night.

Will Bill Belichick smile at his own wedding? Brought to you by gambling. Gambling. Bet your inheritance before your 24-year-old stepmom gets it. Moving on, Kosta, what's the nicest bathroom you've ever used? The one at my friend P.F. Chang's house. And, no, he doesn't live in a P.F. Chang's.

He lives above one, and it makes the male a nightmare. I truly regret talking to you. Roll the clip. The Dodgers signed Japanese pitcher Roki Sasaki after a meeting where he asked if Japanese-styled toilets would be part of the team's new $100 million locker room. He was promised that they would be included. He says they were a factor in getting him

to sign with the team. In case you were wondering, Japanese toilets often include a bidet function, remote controls, heated seats, and an automatic lid, among other features. Hey, it's about time, all right? Baseball players are terrible at wiping. Have you ever noticed those shit marks under the eyes? It's... It's embarrassing. Ronnie, Ronnie, sounds like you rub shit on your brain.

I mean, Japanese toilets in American baseball stadiums, why did we even fight World War II? My grandfather died in Pearl Harbor. Well, a screening of the film. He choked on a milk tub. The point is, I don't need some toilet kamikaze-ing my butt crack. Which brings us to our Tush Tech Bed of the Night. Who will be the first Dodgers player

to get sucked into a Japanese toilet? Brought to you by gambling. Gambling. The new pope hasn't condemned it yet. Well, that's all the time we have to wage war over sports. Join us next time when we debate if it's time for professional swimmers to swim in something other than water.

Yeah, like a marinara sauce. That could be interesting. Italian swimmers would dominate. Don't be racist. You don't know anything about it. Ronnie, everybody. I'm Ronnie. I'm Ronnie.

I'm Ronnie. I'm Ronnie. I'm Ronnie. I'm Ronnie. I'm Ronnie. I'm Ronnie. I'm Ronnie. I'm Ronnie. I'm Ronnie. Welcome back to The Daily Show. My guest tonight is an award winning fashion designer who launched his eponymous label in 2009. His memoir is called Walk Like a Girl.

Please welcome Prabhho Gaurav. Bravo everybody! New York City, give you a standing ovation. I mean thank you very much. As they should. As they should. This is a good looking audience, first of all let let's just say that, and then thank you very much. And...

And... Wait. This is a good looking audience. It is. This is incredible. And also, don't you think he looks better now? Okay. audience. It is. And also don't you think he looks better now? Okay. Just saying. You follow the style guru and you look good. No, I don't know what happened.

I don't know. I decided to dress like Ronnie. Yeah. Didn't you get the memo was gonna happen? Yeah it's good to see you man. The highest of the highs in the fashion world. Bravo. You're the champ. Oh thank you very much. You honor us with your taste and your grace. Oh thank you very much. Yeah so you've like dressed you know the Met Gala Obama, Michelle Obama. How does a guy go from, how does a person go from being a kid in Nepal to the highest of the highs in New York City fashion? I would say dreaming, impossible dreams, delusion, whole lot of it, you know?

And I would say an incredibly, incredibly supportive mother and siblings who believe in all your craziest dreams and say, you know, you're worth it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So having a delusional family, a delusional family. No, I didn't say family. I said delusional me.

Right. But your family also encouraged you, because that's a big part of this book. I mean, first of all, I read the book. It's great, very easy read, a little sad sometimes. Yes. But that's life. Yeah, OK.

I wasn't complaining. I'm just describing it. And yeah But that's life. Yeah, OK. I wasn't complaining. I'm just describing it. And yeah, it's good. It sounded like a complaint, but anyway. No, it wasn't. No, it's bittersweet. It's like the sad moments. But there is hopefulness in it, even in the sad moments.

When I'm reading the sad moments, I think it's because I know how you end up. I know how the book ends. So I'm like, oh. You're like, what? Yeah, this is nothing. This is nothing. But one theme of the book that keeps

popping up is how much you love your mom yes you keep talking about how much you love your mom like why do you love your mom so much because I've head on my shoulders let's just start with that and you know not only do I love her I like her my mom is incredible she's the best, the best one that I have. Wait, hang on, hang on. Mom, you're incredible as well, and you are also the best one. Well, that was an afterthought, just so that you know. No, I wasn't after, I was like immediately on it.

I don't wanna come back on it. No, no, no, no, no, no. Mom, you are the best, I love you, mom. Okay, no, no, my mom is the best. No, my mom's better, my mom's better than you. Well, really? Yeah. Have you written a book?

Have I written a book about my mom? Not yet. There you go. Okay, okay. So there you go. Give me some time. Yeah, why is your loving mom? You know, the funny thing is I'm like looking at you.

Why? Look at, I can't get over, I cannot get over how great you look in there. Thank you, thank you. You know. I... Just saying. I just, yeah, I just woke up and I just saw this. I was like, you know what?

Maybe I'll just try this on the show today. I didn't know. It's so embarrassing that you decided to. This is kind of embarrassing. Yeah, I mean, I just thought, listen. It's time you check with your stylist with the. Will do. Will do.

Because you can't just walk on the show dressing like the host. Wait, but the real question to you is, how does the cleavage feel? This? I don't know how you pull this off. This is very, I'm very cold right now. Oh really?

Yeah. You wear this all the time. I have no idea how you don't wear a shirt under your jacket. What makes you think this is not a shirt? No, I can see the cleavage. I don't know how you get over the- Well, don't you think we should be equal in everything? So like if we are talking about equality, why not let us show our, you know, cleavage I don't know how you get with it don't you think we should be equal in everything so like if we are talking about equality why not let us

show us you know let's just say not everyone should show off cleavage okay hundred percent hundred people who shouldn't be showing up yeah we don't across multiple genders some of them don't need to show their cleavage. Can you... Well, your mom, tell me about your mom. Why do you love your mom? I told you, here's the thing. My mom saw me in full capacity, in my joy, in my sorrows and everything,

and accepted me for who I am. You know, she always... She never once judged me. Let's just put it this way. Which, by the way, there wasn't that, you know, white people watch this and they're like, that's normal. But where, in Nepal, it's for... Yeah, but I think that it was a big deal for her to be like that for you in Nepal.

For sure. Because you want the typical kid. I wasn't. I was an incredibly effeminate kid that I loved dressing up in my sister's clothes. And my mom was like, you know, and I asked her recently, why did you allow me? And she said, you know, I looked at your face and the joy that you had. I could not deny it.

And she was like, you know, and yes, that's how I feel. Yeah, exactly. I love you all for that. Every page of the book. That what you just felt, that's every page of this book. And yes, you know what? Guess what? I also talk to my mom every morning. You know, she lives in Nepal and New York right now. She's in Nepal. So I'll talk to her. I'll call her. Sometimes it's

a deep conversation. Sometimes just like, you know, what did you eat? But my mother is someone who is looking at her, watching her, you know, raising us like my siblings and I alone in single handedly. And then with such elegance and such, you know, raising us, like my siblings and I, alone, single-handedly, and then with such elegance and such, you know, like, I would say unbought and unapologetically was my first lesson in elegance and resilience. And I always keep on saying this. Watching her, I realize, you know,

elegance is not a posture, it's a practice. You know, it was so... Is it too heavy for you? No, I'm trying to... Should I just bring it down? So, basically, Ronnie, you know it was so is it too heavy for you? No I'm trying to... Should I should I should I should I just bring it down? So basically Ronnie you know... So is your mom good or not? Mom good or bad?

That's all I... No no no what what's better than this? It's phenomenal. She's great yeah okay we get it you love your mom she loves you back all right? You don't love your mom. I love my mom too I love my mom I just don't need to brag about it every five seconds. You have to meet my mother! Any of my friends who met her, she's amazing! No, I'm sure she's great!

Oh, you love her? Yeah! I can't believe this is certainly to my mother's day. When is Mother's Day? I'm just kidding. I think that's like multiple Mother's Day. There's like one American one. Did you wish your mom? I wish her for everyone. I cover all the bases.

But I mean, it's because you bring her up in the book. I mean, I'm joking. It's not every single page. But she's definitely a recurring theme. Yeah, she is. At the start, she gives you strength. She keeps coming into the story. For sure.

Yeah. And even now talking to you, you can't shut up about her. So it's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, she is the spine behind my back. She is the reason why I'm here. And she's also one of the, she is the spine behind my back. She is the one, the reason why I'm here. And this is, she's also one of the,

she's the person who convinced me to come here. I know. So. Yeah, that's great. Otherwise I wouldn't have, you know that. Here's the thing, I could talk to you forever because you've got such an amazing story. I'm trying to get out some gems for people to.

Okay. So I'll just speed round through these questions. So like, what would you say to young fashion designers now who are trying to enter the industry now? Not just fashion designers, to anyone. I would just say, just don't worry about the boxes. You know, in the world that's obsessed with applause and who is continuously needing validations, if you can love yourself without it, that's the first step.

Because in that freedom, there's a liberation, right? So I would say don't worry about what people say. Just do what you make mistakes, do what you want, and be curious and read. That's all I would say. Yeah. Oh, don't applaud that. He said don't applaud that.

He said don't... He doesn't need a validation. He doesn't need a validation. No, but when they hear the truth, people should be applauding. And I want to ask you a quick because you were kind of in New York City at the kind of peak of high fashion in New York. It was the 90s. It was crazy, Vanity Fair. The parties meant something.

Sound cars. Yeah, there was no internet really. There was maybe a blog. No, not really. OK, well, AOL. Right, AOL. Yeah, so what was the fashion world like then compared to now? How has it changed? You know, I know it's a broad question, but yeah, I mean, it's changed. You know, in the 90s, when early 2000, it was very, I would say like experimental. There were like a lot of like artists. I lived around East Village

and Lower East Side. There was like all the, I'll never forget. The first time I went to Cafe Jutan, I sat there and I was like, you know, writing something. I looked over and it was David Bowie. You know, it was like that. You know, New York, you'd walk into that, it'll be Chloe Savin, there'll be Marc Jacobs.

And all of a sudden there's someone, you know, like, it was just this, oh, another story I would just say is when I went to Indusheen one time, the first time I remember, it was Salman Rushdie, another story I would like to say is when I went to Indusheen one time, the first time I remember, it was Salman Rushdie, Padma Lakshmi, and a porn star in the other table. And to me, that was like, that's exactly what New York is. And the fashion was so, like, kind of...

Whoa, whoa, whoa, sorry, sorry. How did you know it was a porn star? Yeah. Because... Yeah. Because... It was before Internet, so... No, no, because he was dating a friend of mine. Because... Because... It was before internet, so...

No, no, because... He was dating a friend of mine. That's how I know. And your friend told you? Yeah. And so it was magic, because magic in the area... It was magical, experimental, it was... And now it's not.

No, no, no, it is. Now I think... At that time I would say it was you kind of dressed up for yourself, and obviously for your friends and everything. Now you're dressing up for everyone on the internet. So you kind of lose your identity. And that's bad, right? That's not great. I mean, I think any time you need outside validation

constantly that you can't exist without it, then it's bad. But sometimes just to play around with people, that's fine. Yeah. So what is the advantage, you would say, that the fashion has now over in the 90s? The industry? I will say. I mean, many downsides.

But what are some of the upsides? Fashion and culture, you and I wouldn't be sitting like this. The people who how we look, we wouldn't be here. In fashion also, it has completely expanded the idea of beauty. Who gets to be on a runway? The size is the race. You know? And that's what it is. So, while, yes, while we can sit down and talk about it,

you know, there are a lot of issues about it, what I tend to look at is, like, the progress that it has made. Obviously, we have a long way to go. There would be no conversation about the curvy models. Or, like, I remember, I remember when I was working at Bill Blass, he used to be like, Oh, you have one Asian model, two black models, that's enough. Now you don't even talk like that.

Right. Now it's just like you don't think about it. Well, I don't know if you heard the president, but that stuff is over now. We can't. Yeah, we can't. I'm talking about fashion people. Yeah. OK. Who are smarter sometimes. So now, so I guess it's for all the downsides of all these stupid influencers doing stuff for likes There's still no that's job. That's that's a job. It's I don't think a lot of influences are my friends Okay, I'm sorry. No, I don't think they're stupid

Okay, and I think I think they're really smart people and because it's business. It's different kind of business Sure. Yeah, so it's kind of taken away from the gatekeepers a little bit back in the day, right? Yeah, but then what happens is fashion should always be democratic. A housewife in, let's say, Minnesota can be looking at a red carpet on Met Gala and be like, you know what? I don't like it.

I like it. I would never wear it. You're participating. That's why fashion is amazing. But then within that, you start to find your own niche. You start to find your own world. And high fashion is high fashion because it's all hype and it's also a lot of craft in there.

But, you know, fashion is for everyone. And that's what we are living in right now. Well, that's a very down-to-earth way to look at high fashion. And that's something I really like about you. You can go from the highest of all high fashion, the Met Gala, and you can come and have roadside coffee with with me and yeah in in Malaysia and we can both hang out Oh, Jen, or is am I but um I? Just want dude. I'm so sorry. I'm sure why that is my biggest my because of my

If you just end every story with that, and then... Oh, you don't think I'm going to do it? You, you, you, you, you put it in there. Yeah, I'll talk about my mom. Yeah, me, too. Yeah, me, too. Look, I'm trying to compress so much into it. I'm sorry if it's a bit rushed, but... So, I want people to see your genius sometimes.

It's hard to see creativity in action. The best way I know how to represent it is if I give you some photos and you kind of illustrate for us kind of your ideas, your thoughts on these, on this fashion concept. This is your... Okay, all right.

So what do you want me to talk about? So this is your... This is Tessa Thompson at the Met Gala. This is your dress that you made. We would call it an ensemble. Oh, I'm sorry. It's an ensemble because there's a white halter cotton mini dress underneath, and this is like a silk wool

in a pannier dress. Did your mom make this too? No, no. It was inspired by her. OK, OK. So can you just draw as though you're make people think like you're doing something cool on it. Yeah. Okay. So what were the influences for this? What were some of the influences?

So the influence of the super fine tailoring was the theme this year. And I kind of wanted to take someone like Tessa who really experiments with her role and film and everything and also in fashion. I kind of like take and abstract the menswear aspect of it, you know? And just that's why, like, if you look at it, this is a very traditional tuxedo, like traditional tuxedo year, all of these, right? This whole area.

And then we kind of, like, you know, paired it with, like, something that's an old-school pannier, like those, like, petticoats, right? So we did that. It's almost an eight, which is a good lucky number for me anyway. And then, and then, and then this is like a latex tie. You know, there's like a little bit of subversion that I always like, and the back is completely open.

And you can't really see it. You actually can see this all hand-stitched, this, this. Okay, like, you know, yeah. So it's like, so it looks like, oh, just a dress with an ensemble that's really, and this all made in New York, you know, that's what 90% of my stuff we make. So this is super cheap, right? Guess what? We don't have to worry about tariffs. Here's another, this year at Met Gala was crazy. Oh, wait. So this is something, I actually, actually I think was at the show.

Yes. Thank you for inviting me. I was totally out of place there. No idea what I was doing. This is an outfit you had at the... You should have just worn this by the way, what you were wearing at the show. And you could have come...

Actually, next show, maybe you should come out. Instead of me. I don't need to. How about that? And me, maybe I'll come here. I don't need to have. How about that? And me? Maybe I'll come here. Yeah, you come over here. Yeah, yeah.

It's okay. I don't need that validation. I'm already here. Okay. So you'll be addicted to it. Why do you think we do like gazillion shows? Yeah. So tell me about this.

All right. So this is, again, Silkworld. This is like a men's shirt. Yeah. You know, this almost like this idea for tuxedo. At the end of the night, you open it up, you know, the bow tie, and it's like, I always find that kind of sexy, like you've had a good time.

Sure, clearly. There you go, exactly. I don't know if I've ever seen you button a shirt, by the way. I don't believe in that. I don't believe in closing anything. Just be open, okay? And this is actually, we call it a dhoti pant. So it's this, it's like in a shape, balloon shaped pants.

Now this whole color, pieces, I love it together because this is very Americana, you know, like this like tuxedo men's shirt. And this is very from our part of the world, from India and Nepal. So this idea, I always do it as like West meeting the East, not East meeting the West, It's West meeting the East. Just wanted to put it out there.

Yeah, I like that phrase. Yeah. And then this is like a cashmere cardigan that's made in Nepal. And it was styled by my friend Tina, who's here actually, yeah. Oh, wow, there we go. There we go.

So this is also super cheap, right? This was like, okay. That's not. So let's try this one. What do you, can you tell me what's going on with this outfit? Yeah. So,

so why, is this like a high fashion thing or what? Can you explain this? What is this? Wait, hold on. It's like, how many layers? Well, including the dandruff. That's like, at least he's wearing like... Oh my lord, do you see this?

It is a dandruff. Sorry, we're blocking the thing. What are you doing? Oh, shoot, shoot, shoot. Okay, so anyway, I would say... Okay, let's start with good. So what is that? What did you just circle there? I think it's like a it's dandruff. Oh, it's dandruff. Yeah, I think so It's a layer or it's like, you know when you press you something too much. No, I think his skin is rejected

Yeah What is going on here? Why is that? Is this a thing for fashion? Is he legitimately fashionable or am I just no and you know what know what he's representing to me is really who he is. Like, you know, confused. You know? That's what I would say. But good hair, though. Good hair.

I would say the hair is good. It's also like Botox gone wrong, but anyway. But you're the fashion guy. You don't comment on the... Beauty. We do comment head to toe, just so that you know. Fair enough. But five're the fashion guy. You don't comment on the... Beauty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We do comment head to toe, just so that you know. Fair enough.

But five shirts, is that good? Should you ever wear five shirts? I would say no. But Demna, who used to design Balenciaga, might disagree with me. Okay. It's very much like layer upon layer upon layer. Of shirts. They're trying to, yeah. As I said, like layer upon layer upon layer. Of shirts.

They're trying to, yeah. As I said, he's trying to hide something. I don't know what it is. He is almost like the antithesis of you. Cause he's wearing five shirts and you're wearing no shirts. True. Direct opposite. But also you have seen why.

Why? Oh, okay. I mean, okay. You know what I'm coming. Why? Oh, okay, okay. You know what I'm coming. This is the last one, this is the last one. So human, human, human, human, human. So. Who's this child?

Who's this baby? Someone is. Oh, oh, oh. What do you think about this outfit right here? What's? Failure to launch. No. No.

No. Oh. Oh. No. No. No. No. I mean... What does the hat say? Oh. It's a slogan. It's some political slogan.

I'm not... I mean... And we all believe in that, but in a sense, but not their way. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Not again, actually. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Do we? No, not really. Yeah. You were like, I don't know. Yeah, I mean. Make America great, that's all. Well, do you like the spin on it? Cause usually this is a red, but this seems to be a limited edition black,

black on black. I mean, does that give you, does that buy him any credit with you? Not at all. Okay. Please. What do you like about the fit? You know, what do you think about the fit?

The fit is. The like about the fit? What do you think about the fit? The fit is... The issue is the fit. Okay. You know, we call it in fashion, we call it like a shift. Not a tight dress, but it's like a mini dress. You know, like, you know, so it's like a... That shape is... Look at that. It's like very like 60s, you know.

This is almost like 60s, I would say this is almost like 60s I would say. I mean I would say his views are also like the 60s. Twiggy, you know the model Twiggy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what she would, yeah. Okay. Yeah, and that's what she would wear. Well don't be negative, anything positive from this?

I love the curtains. Oh the curtains you like? Okay. Yeah. Okay. And this print is really nice. Okay. It could be a good earrings.

And then this drape, let's see, yeah. I would say that and I think, you know, he was a visionary but he, I don't know. Okay, so this, would you recommend this fit? Thumbs up or thumbs down? To him? No, to anyone. Ummm. This is, I think, I believe this is called an Aum Saum.

Is that what you just drew there? This is, what I'm trying to do is like literally trying to make it into like 60's shift dress, very mod. Oh, okay. So if that's the case, it's very like almost like then I can see like, you know. It's very Jackie Onassis if you. Dude, that's what I saw. Exactly that. Yes, yes, yes.

Seeing a few. I think you're in the wrong career. You should be a fashion designer. Yeah. All right. All right. Pramil. You're the best, man. I hope I did good. Oh, you're the best. Thanks for sharing your talent and thanks for coming on the show and thanks for sharing your good taste. I really appreciate it. You're the best, man. Thank you very much.

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