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Episode Date: May 6, 2022

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Welcome to the Daily Show. I'm Trevor Noah. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Take a scee, everybody. Take a scee. Let's get into it. We have got a great show for you tonight. Roywood Jr. is going to explore the secret black history of the Kentucky derby.

Madison Cawthorn is back in the news with another scandal and our guests are the New York Times reporters who got the Kevin McCarthy tapes where he's trashing Trump about January 6th. So let's do this people let's jump straight into things off with inflation. As you know, all across the world, prices have been skyrocketing. And it's all thanks to the pandemic, supply chain issues, and a Russian man who clearly wasn't huged enough as a child. And because of that, everything costs more.

Groceries, gas, blackmail. It's terrible, everything. And every government around the world is trying to figure out how to bring inflation down, which is why now the Federal Reserve is stepping in with a major move that America hasn't seen in decades. On Wednesday, the federal reserve raised the interest rate by half a percentage point, the biggest hike in 22 years. The increase makes borrowing money more expensive, from new mortgages to auto loans to credit card rates. It's designed to cool down consumer demand and curb inflation now at a 40-year high.

And Fed Chairman Jerome Powell is saying the aggressive move, they're saying it can be done without risking a recession. So there's a path to that. Now, I would would thi thi th. thi th. thi th. thi thi thi, I would thi, I would thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I the, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I'm, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thean, thr. I'm, thro. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. I'm the move, they're saying it can be done without risking a recession. So there's a path to that. Now, I would say I think we have a good chance to have a soft or softish landing, or outcome, if you will. Okay, I felt confident in him until he said a soft-ish landing. Soft, I like, softish.

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down. And it works because higher interest rates affects so many things in your life. It makes a mortgage more expensive, it makes car loans more expensive, it makes paying off your credit card more expensive, even makes buying Twitter more expensive. That's why Elon has to go half-sees with Saudi Arabia now. The trick, the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th, and th. And, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi-in, the theeee, theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, thr-n, Arabia now. The trick, as Jerome Powell was alluding to, is that you have to bring spending down, but not too much, too fast. Yeah, you got to do it just right, or the economy could crash and you end up in a recession.

So it's a delicate balance. You know, think of it, um, you know what? Think of it, think of it to be banging? You know what I mean? You want it to be banging? But you don't want it to get out of control because then no one can get a drink, everyone's punching, fighting over what's left. It's chaos, basically, it's chaos. So raising the interest rates is like trying to calm the party, right? But if you're too extreme and you call the t, the whole thing shuts down, that's a recession of a party. So what the Federal Reserve is trying to do is change the playlist just enough so people stay, but that also makes sure that nobody's dancing on the table.

Does that make sense? You understand what we're doing? Yeah. So it's tricky. It is tricky. But they have to suck for everyone, especially for the dollar. Man, this sucks. Back in the day, people used to use me for everything.

You could buy a horse with me, you could buy a windmill. Hell, they bought Alaska with me and they got change. But look at me now, thanks to inflation, I'm just a glorified bookmark covered in fecal matter. People don't even want to snok cocaine with me the dollar the dollar the dollar their their their their their their to me me me me me me me me me me their to their to their to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi tho tho thanks to inflation, I'm just a glorified bookmark covered in fecal matter. People don't even want to snort cocaine with me anymore. Now they only talk about Benjamin. That loser wasn't even president. The only things I have left in my life now are dollar stores and strip clubs.

And I swear to God, I'm a strippers time taking Bitcoin, I'm gonna kill myself!" Donna is very angry. All right, let's move on to a politician who will presumably never be on money, Madison Cawthorne. North Carolina congressman and villain on every CW show. Five weeks ago, Madison Caworthon claimed that his Republican colleagues were doing cocaine and having giant orgies, which he was deeply disgusted by. Yeah, because you see he's a true Christian who stands for traditional conservative values. And so that's what he said about his colleagues, and clearly he pissed somebody off, because since he made that accusation

Week after week People have been leaking things that seem to be exposing him as a fraud Yeah, the scandals have included everything from pictures in lingerie to allegations of insider trading and a campaign aid with their hand on his crutch and now now, in the words of the esteemed political analyst, DJ Callard, another one. This is a completely shocking video, appearing to show the congressman completely naked in this video. It purportedly shows him acting crass,

I guess you could say, with a friend in a bedroom, while not wearing any clothing at all. Now, notably, this is put out by an opposition group, this is a th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi.. thi. thea. thei. thei. toei. toaui. toaui. togea. togea. This is a group that's working actively to try to defeat the congressman in the upcoming Republican primary, but the congressman he admitted that it is indeed him in the video. Yeah. Someone released a video of Madison Corthorne from a few years ago before he was in Congress naked basically pretending to hump his friend's face. And believe me, I wish there was another way to say that, but there is not.

That's the story. And you've got to admit, man, these people are coming for Madison Corthon. You know, in fact, the way they're coming for Madison Corthon, I'm starting to think maybe those cocaine orgies were real, you know? He said too much. So for the 50th time, Congressman Madison Corthon was forced to release a statement explaining why this isn't as bad as it seems. You are witnessing one of the first examples of a politician who grew up with a cell phone in their hand, with the ability to take photos th th th th tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho to tho tho tho tho to to tho tho tho tho tho tho who grew up with a cell phone in their hand,

with the ability to take photos, videos, and have others use that content as a way to hurt you. Most of my colleagues in Congress right now would not be serving in Washington if they grew up within a single mile of a cell phone growing up. Okay, before we address the statement, can anyone explain to me why the American flag is in that video? That flag wasn't thu the flag the flag the flag the flag the flag the flag tha tha thuuuuuuuu-a thu-a thu-a thu-a thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thiiiii-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-n. tase, tase, tase, tase. taseasease. ta-sa-s. ta-s. ta-s. ta-s. ta-s. ta-s. ta-s. ta-a-a flag is in that video. That flag wasn't humping anybody. Why you dragging the flag into this bullshit, Madison, huh? You can even see the flag behind him like, uh-uh, I wasn't there. Now, as for the point the young congressman was making, as much as I do not like him, I have to agree. Since the beginning of time, people have had the ability to insulate what they do in private from what they do in public.

But now, we have a whole generation who's growing up, documenting every single dumb thing they do or say or hump. And honestly, unless they're breaking the law, we're going to have to figure out how to deal with this in society. Right? Because thanks to phones, everyone's friends have dirt on them. Yeah, honestly, everyone. In fact, if your friends don't have any dirt on you that could someday ruin your career, then I'm sorry. You're not friends, you're just acquaintances, okay? Understand that now. And so I agree, I honestly agree. You know, this is just part of the product of the Times. Yeah, what he was doing was extreme, but this is part of the

times. Like if previous generations of politicians have the same technology as we do now, we might have seen really embarrassing selfies of Abe Lincoln, you know? Yeah, and can you imagine young Mitch McConnell with an iPhone? I mean, even if there was nothing scandalous, we'd still have to see him trying to look cool every single day on Tick-Tock. See him there trying to... Just see him there trying to... ... ...

... Yeah, he's looked like that since he was 14. That's just his face. That would have gone viral, by the way. All right, let's move on to a story about space. Jeff Bezos's vacation home. For decades, humans have been trying to not only find other planets for us to destroy, but also intelligent life for us to colonize. And we've tried everything.

We sent out deep space probes. We sent out radio waves. In the 50s, we sent like a bunch of dogs and monkeys for some reason. But now, after decades of no luck, NASA has decided to take things up a notch. NASA scientists plan to send pictures of naked humans into space, hoping to catch the attention of aliens. Nudes will come with an invitation to to to to the invitation to the invitation to to the invitation to the invitation to the invitation to the invitation to the invitation to to the invitation to to the invitation the invitation to to the in in in in the in to to to to to to the in space space the in space. Wea space space space space. Wea space. Wea space. Wea space. Wea space. Wea space. Wea, their space, their space, their space, wea, wea, wea, wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea. Wea.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. te. their, their. their the humans into space hoping to catch the attention of aliens. Nudes will come with an invitation to respond. Pictures aren't graphic, just a drawing of a naked man and a woman next to a picture of DNA.

NASA revealed this as part of a project called Beacon in the Galaxy to send a message to any alien civilizations. Okay. any alien civilizations. OK. First things first. They've got to hire more women over at NASA, because only dudes would think the best way to introduce yourself is with unsolicited nudes. Hey, aliens, you up there?

What are we doing? Those aliens are going to be really upset that they turn on their airdrop for everyone in the galaxy. But also, but also, but also, if you are going to send nudes, why would you send these nudes? Let me tell you something, man, if I was an alien, no way in hell, I'm coming to this planet. Like, if someone sent me these nudes and they said, hey, you up, I'll be like, I am so far from up. I'm in a coma. I will never be up again. I mean, look at this thing.

Feels like you're sexting with an Atari. What is that? Huh? The woman doesn't even have a nose. Look at that shit. Think about what we say. Either this planet has zero technology, because this is how they draw themselves, or this is how they actually look. Either way, I'm not coming. I'm not coming. That's a terrible thing to say. Like maybe if I was like a 13-year-old alien, I could make that work. Yeah, you know what I mean? But how are these the news that we're sending to aliens? If we want aliens to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get their to get to get to get their to get to get to get to get to get in in in in in in in in in to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get in their their to get to get to get to get to get to get theiria. theiria. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their., their their., their., their their. their. their. I, thiiii. I, thii. Ii. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. I'm thiiiiia. Ia. I'm thiia. I'm etched drawing. Send them coupons for only fans. Come on, man. Get them in the game.

And you know, honestly, even if the aliens are interested, I think we've got to be careful. This is sending the wrong idea about us into the galaxy. Just imagine for a second. The very first thing we send to aliens is naked photos? What, are we only trying to make contact with the horniest aliens in the universe? Yeah, no wonder every time they abduct someone they probe their butts. We're sending up the wrong vibe. You understand how scary this is? You know what's going to happen here, right?

The aliens are going to get here and they're just going to expect to smash immediately. And then they're going to get here here here here here to never even met before texted you nudes and then you go there and they're like, cool, now that you're here, I wanted to introduce you to Joe Biden. That is the worst catfishing ever. They'll blow up our planet just for that. Come, old, the old, hony, and trouble. Yeah, the only way that would work out is if the aliens come and Trump is president. Yeah. No, no, no, because if there's one thing I'll tell you about Trump, he'd fuck shit out of those aliens. It'd be like, I don't know

what they have down there, but I'm grabbing it. I'm only reaches the horny aliens. We actually should hope that this only reaches the horny aliens. Because you realize how offensive this is going to be, if it just ends up in front of a normal alien, they are going to be so pissed off. Sheila! Sheila! Thosethose earth purports left pornography on the Lord. Yes, I'm sure it's not my pornography. You know I wouldn't be yanking my floor flex to a drawing of two hairless monkeys. Yeah, I mean, one doesn't even have a nose, Sheila. Come on, you know what I'm

into and it's not this crap. Plus, I don't need pornography. I only need you. You know I love you, baby. I love you, Sheila. I love that coffee. All right, that's it for the headlines. But before we go to a break, let's check in on the stock market with our very own finance expert, Michael Costa, everybody. Michael Costa, you know, Michael? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, what do you tell? What is happening in the market, man? Well, I'm an expert. that's happening in the market. I mean, I absolutely crushing it. And as an expert, I do have a hot tip for you. Can't wait. And I got a tip for you as well. So we'll get into that.

But before we do, before we do, before we do, the Fed raising the interest rates. Yes. This is a great thing. Okay? Because during the pandemic, you know, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, we lost, you lost, you lost. I lost interest in Netflix. I lost interest in my family. You know, I lost interest in work, to be honest with you. I wasn't trying that hard before, but now I am really phoned it in. Okay? So, but, but look, raising the interest rates, it affects everyone, and especially regular middle class homeowners like

myself. Okay? Now, I have a ski castle in Corsiaval. It's the French Alps, 12,000 square feet, on a nice pristine glacial lake. And if I hadn't locked in my rate before this, I wouldn't be able to redo the kitchen on the main property. So it's Tuscan marble, Trevor. So? So, but you know one thing I've learned is whenever you complain about renovating the kitchen in your fifth home, nobody

has any sympathy, but can you imagine a 16th century ski castle with the bad kitchen? I love to cook. Let's get, yeah, you're the true victim. Oh, but the NASA, sending the nudes. Yeah, and we'll get to this in a second. But, um, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. That's that's. That's. that's that's that's a risky. that's a risky. that's a risky. the the the the thi. their. their the th. th. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. th. th. the the the the're the true victim here. NASA, sending the nudes. Yeah, and we'll get to this in a second, but, um, that's a risky move, okay? Because NASA doesn't know who's going to get those nudes. I mean, what if it's alien children? Right? Now, Earth is exposing itself to children, you know? thi th go around from Galaxy to Galaxy, knocking on the atmosphere saying, hello, I'm Earth, I'm your neighbor for 3 billion years, I'm legally required to tell you I'm a sex

offender? Can I get to the market? Yeah, I'm there. Okay, cool. So, look, yesterday on the news that the interest rates were going up, the market shot up. Okay? Today, on the news that the interest rates were going up, the market shot down. All right? So, I'm an expert here. Don't forget. In summary, when the news of the interest rates are going up, the market will either go up or it's going to go down.

Thank you. Well, hold on, hold on, Michael, that doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah, well, that's because you're not an expert, like me, and that's my hot tip, okay? Leave it to the experts. Thank you. I think Michael Costa, all right, don't go away because when we come back, Roywood Jr. is going to take us through the secret world of black horse racing. You don't want to the Daily Show. This weekend is the Kentucky Derby, the biggest day in horse racing and mint juleps. But what does horse racing have to do with black people?

Well, let's find out in another edition of CP Time. Well, hello. Welcome to CP Time. The only show is for the culture. I do not have this money. Ah, well, hello. Welcome to CP Time. The only show. Today, we'll be discussing blacks in horse racing. Welcome to CP Time. The only show is for the culture.

Today we'll be discussing blacks in horse racing. Usually when you think of horse racing, the only black thing that comes to mind is the horse itself. Turns out many of the people riding them have been black too. Not to take anything away from those black horses though. Stay strong my horse brothers. For many years in the early days of organized horse racing, black jockeys were extremely common in the sport. Partly because black people had a lot of experience taking

care of horses during slavery, and partly because riding horses was the best way to prevent the police from stopping you for a broken tail light. Take the Kentucky Derby, the biggest event in the sport. It's so popular, you've probably heard of it, even if you're not a gambling addict that blew his kids' college money and lost the house on weekend races. Sorry, baby, Whispering Willow was supposed to be a sure thing. In the first Kentucky Derby in 1875, 13 out of 15 jockeys were black.

And the winner of that race was Oliver Lewis. Oliver rode to victory on his horse Aristides. Strange name, but it was the 1800s. If you got a black jockey, you got to at least give the horse an extra white name to balance things out. Despite his success, Lewis retired from racing the very same year he won the Derby, which is understandable. With the prize money he won, he could finally achieve the dream of every black man in 1875

Kentucky. Moving out of Kentucky. Not only were black people the first to do it, but they were some of the best, like Isaac Burns Murphy. Seeing here thinking about racism probably. Isaac was considered one of the greatest jockeys in history. He was the first person to win the Kentucky Derby three times. And his win record is still unmatched to this day at 44%.

Murphy was the first rider ever to be inducted into the horse racing hall of fame, which is the highest honor a jockey can receive other than being to be inducted into the horse racing hall of fame, which is the highest honor a jockey can receive other than being told, hmm, you're actually taller than I expected. But despite their success in the sport, black rider soon all but disappeared from horse racing, making it yet another thing that started out very black but became very white, much like rock and roll or Brooklyn. And that's because in the early 1900s, there was a concerted effort to push black jockeys out of the sport. White races engaged in harsh tactics, both on and off the track. They would hit black riders with riding crops or run them into the rails.

Two-time derby winner Jimmy Winkfield was even threatened by the Ku Klux Klan. The irony, he and the KKK both love riding horses. If equestrianism can't trump hate, then I don't know what can. The harassment got so bad that in 1904, Winkfield left the country to become a racing superstar in Russia. Do you know how bad it's got to get for a black man to move to Russia? They didn't even have black people over there back then. Although maybe that's the secret.

Gotta get in early before they learned how to do racism. But soon enough, practically the only black jockeys you could find with those creepy little statues on rich white folks' lawns. Between 1921 and the year 2000, not a single black jockey even raced in the derby. Do you understand how long that is? It took all the way until the Baja men released who let the dogs out for a black person to compete again. Not saying that the two are related unless... Nah, you're being crazy, Roy. Now, one

black rider who did make waves during those years was Cheryl White. The first licensed black female jockey in America. Cheryl started her career racing straight out of high school, which means she was the most influential black teenager on a horse until Little Nars X came around. And she didn't need the help of Miley Cyrus's daddy. At just 17 years old, White was already winning races and gracing the cover of Jet Magazine, which is incredibly impressive.

Nowadays, most 17-year-olds I know, could only make the cover of dumbass up to no good magazine. I see you boys doing the vaping before school. I will snitch on you. Watch me. So the next time you think of horse racing, think about the black jockeys that blazed the trail back in those early days. Don't just think of Seabiscuit? Or the guy who rode Seabiscuit? Or how much money you lost by not betting on Seabiscuit? Baby, I'm not coming home for a little while.

I'm so sorry. Well, that's all the time we have for today. I'm Roywood Jr. and this has been CP time and remember with other culture. Can somebody help me put on this fake mustache as a gentleman named Knuckle Swinging About to get some money and I don't have it for him and I've got to get the hell out of here. Come on there. Hurl ohr, okay. All right, this location has been compromised. Come on Jennifer Lewis. Roywood Jr. All right when we come back, Jonathan Martin Martin and Alex Burns are joining to to to to thininininininininininininin, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thoomom. thoom. And thu. thoomea' thoome. thoome. I'm thoom. I'm thoom. I'm th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. I's th. And th. I's th. the. the. the. the. tho. tho. tho. I'm too. I'm too. I'm too. too. I'm too. I Alex Burns are joining me on the show, so I'm going away. Welcome back to the day's show. My guests tonight are political reporters who are here to talk about their explosive new book, This Will Not Pass, Trump, Biden, and the Battle for America's Future.

Please welcome Jonathan and Alex Burns. Welcome, Jonathan Martin welcome, welcome, welcome. Welcome to the show. Everybody. I'm not even going to waste any time. I trust that you are good. Let's jump straight into this. This is, the best way to describe this book for me is it's basically like the real housewives of Washington, D.C. It makes it look like the most scandalous place. You realize there are so many inner fe-fudes and things that th th th th th th th th th th th that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we don't that we don't that we don't that we don't that we don't that we don't that we don't that we don't that we don't that we don't that we don't that we don't that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that DC. It makes it look like the most scandalous place. You realize there are so many inner feuds and things that we don't even know about. When I'm reading this book, I'm going, well, shouldn't the American people see that then?

Like, why do they get the sanitized, like, oh, this is how we are? When, in fact, this seems versus what the people are seeing on the news, but the people are voting on what they see in the news. No, and I think that's spot on, and it's one of the things that we believe so passionately about political journalism, it's one of the things that we try to do in this book, is that there's not some clean separation between the personalities of politics and the fuiueses th fues th fues that that that you fues that you fues that you fuseds that you fues that you fuseds that you that you that you that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're thusususus that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're that you're th th th th th th th th that you that you that you th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thiiii thiiiiiiiiiiii that's that's that's thi that's thi thi thi those feuds and all the sort of high school level pettiness that actually drives what happens and if people in Washington were more up front about that I think first of all they would confirm a whole lot of what the American people sort of suspect about their politicians but you know I think it would be possible maybe for the country to have more honest conversation about what's wrong here if we weren't all putting on a different face in public. But when the cameras are running in Washington, Trevor, you see two very different kinds of politicians

than what you see behind the scenes in private, but they don't know that, say, the audio is running. So this book exposes a lot. Let's talk about that, the audio, the audio that you released, which was the audio, the audio, the audio, the audio, the audio, the audio, the audio, the audio, the audio, the audio, the audio, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, too, too, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, and, to, to, t..... t t t t t ttoo, t ttoo, the the ttoo, the the ttoo, the ttoo, ttoo, the ttoo, the ttoo., ttoo. the ttoo. ttoo. today, ttoo, to, the audio that you released, which was the audio of Kevin McCarthy after January 6th basically saying, yet we've got to make Trump pay for this, he's responsible, etc. Mitch McConnell essentially being like, oh, I hope he does get impeached, you're hearing things from politicians who said the complete opposite when they were on camera. So how did you hear about it? Well, uh, no, a lot of work, a lot of hours, a lot of talking to people at all levels of government and even people outside of government.

There's this perception among folks who read political journalism that it's this Hollywood idea where like somebody in sunglasses comes and like drops you a bag outside your house or like and you get the story of a lifetime and ain't that it's like a lot of work it's a lot of shoe leather it's a lot of time talking to people and hoping that you can piece things together to eventually get the full version of a story. And if I could just you know look you had a little fun with us at the Correspondent Center. That's fair we're big th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. You th. th. You have th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi to to thi to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th at the Correspondence Center. That's fair, we're big boys. We noticed, we noticed. We can take it. But the honest, the honest response to your line that night is, look, if we were in a position

to release that information the second we got it, of course we would have done that. But part of the exercise of writing a book and part of why it's different from writing for a newspaper or producing a television show is that the people you're talking to, the sources you're working with, will be more candid with you and will share more information. It's not just audio. It is documents, it is notes that they're taking in real time, it is their personal views and recollections when they feel they're sharing it's...., their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, toeseses, toes.s wills wills wills wills wills willswoososoeseswoosoesloucoucenea, is sooeseseswereeauauauweree, is their, their, you know, a show that's going to air in a couple hours from now. That is, that makes no sense to me because I mean, like, it's not like this is ancient history. Well, it's sort of, it's sort of, I mean, this happened a year ago and you're telling me the

politicians are like, well, this will never see to. When we were doing these interviews, you would see people sort of very sort of uptight and then you should, listen, this is, this is for history and they're like, oh, well, if this is for history, I'm like, it is out next May. I mean, like, let's talk about the, you know, some of the other stories. For instance, there's you are interviewing the man. And in the middle of this interview, does he call Lindsay Graham or does Lindsay Graham calls him? Lindsey Graham calls him while you have an interview. In the lobby at Marilago for his guests to see.

Lindsay Graham calls him. And Trump does not get up from the couch, excuse me, fellas. He just like sits there and like takes that call on his cell phone and then th puts puts puts puts, and th puts, and th puts, and th, and th, and th, and it, and th, th, th, and it, th, thus, and it, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, the, their, while, while, while, while, while, while, while we's their, while we're they, while we're they, while we're their, while we're their, while we're their, while we're their, while, while we we're their, while we their, while we their, while we, while we we're their, while we're their, while we were, while we're their, while we're their, while we're their, while we're their their their their their their their their, while we're it. So we've actually got the audio. Let's play that call. And most importantly, would you tell them one thing, can Trump play golf, legitimately play golf? Okay, so listen, I thought it was vocal shit too. So when we go play for the first time, you know, I've heard this, I've heard that. So we play in October's kind of range. He shot even far, that's a three-footer cup I made it close.

Yes. He would have been one under. But even far, playing by the rules of the golf, after that, it started helping with my game. He's a legitimate five, six, maybe more. So here's the thing. For context for me, is, this is the same Lindsay Graham who after January 6th was bringing up the 25th Amendment he was like this is too much we've gone too far and then Trump has him on the phone and he's just

like dance for me and he does. This is three months later do so this is this is pretty yeah is this does this show us that the politicians are lying to the people or they're lying to Trump? That's a great question. That's a really good question. Look, I think we were shocked, not that Lindsay Graham would be calling Trump at that point. But, you know, we all know that Lindsay Graham rode back to Donald Trump really fast, that his pronouncements on the night of January 6 had a very, very short expiration date on them. But I think just hearing in real time in front of us, this sort of dancing a monkey routine

was really an extraordinary moment. I don't know that he's lying to anybody. I think Lindsay Graham genuinely believes that he is playing a vital role as a diplomat between the establishment of the Republican Party and Donald Trump. I'm not saying he's right. That's clearly how he's rationalizing it. Yeah. It puzzles even some of his colleagues in the Senate, but you just heard there the you know, just how far it goes. I think Trump knows that Lindsay isn't like his biggest fan in the world

and that privately, you know, rolls his eyes, but that he sort of, you know, is trying to sort aware of Donald Trump's liabilities and would admit that in private. So I think like, what's the old saying, you can't be a BS or I think they kind of both know that the other isn't totally on the level. And so I guess it works, right? I mean, not for the country, you know, it seems, it just seems, like, if, you know, if, if Donald Trump didn't have as many scandals as he did, I feel like every single chapter in this book could have been its own book in a different time with a different presidency, there's a great point. I didn't know, but like, there's a part

in the book where you guys uncover the fact that Jared Kushner is the person who got Kanye West, his campaign manager, and all of this was essentially a scheme to try and siphon black votes away from the Democrats. Like, I'm like, that in and of itself, that would be the bombshell of the day. And now it's just like, oh yeah, just one part of the book. Look, I think it's a great both of how desperate they were to try to mess with the basic electoral math of this election. I think it's also really revealing about how the White House and the President's family saw

you know black voters and what what they would be drawn to in this election. The notion that the way to get to siphon black votes away from Joe Biden was to get this sort of screwball celebrity into the race.............. know, vote for him instead of the guy they know as the former, a two-term vice president. That says a whole lot about the people who are running the country for four years. You know, look, with the Trump crowd, it's like a cartoon version of like past presidents, you know, like the president's son-in-law, who by the way the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the the the the to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the thi-in. th. th. thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the the the the the the the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th-in, th-in, th-is-is-is.. th-s, th-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi. threat. to-s, to-s. to-s. to-s. to-s. to-s. to-s. tho-s. secondly, is like basically running the country as a de facto senior advisor with no actual title beyond senior advisor. And he's also like running the campaign on the side too. And running the campaign, he's trying to wire in a third party candidate who happens to be like a celebrity.

He's like, he's doing all this, and ostensibly, there's ethics rules that kind of the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th th th th the today. tea. teauuo teauo teau. teau. teau. today, thi. thi. ethics rules that kind of exist in the White House, but it makes a mockery of any sort of like political norms or tradition in America. That's a great way to put it because what it feels like this book exposes in a really scary way, because it's revealing and it's shocking. But when you get to the end of the book, you go, man, America's in trouble because it feels like there is a facade that is being presented by Washington, D.C. It feels like there is definitely a game that's being played, you know, in the Capitol versus what everyday Americans are experiencing. And then the most important thing is, it feels like the to-party system has failed. Because now it feels like Republicans aren't all with Trump.

They play along to try and keep the thing is a sham, and by the time the American people find out that it really is a sham, it'll be too late. One of the things that we hope we've accomplished with this book is to expose that sham to a pretty significant degree. The American people, I deserve to know what a gigantic gap there is between the way the politicians behave in public and the things they say in private, about thia, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, about, and, and, and, and, and, and, and their, and their, and their, and their, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is their, is, and their, and, is their, is their, is their, is, is, is, is, is, is their, is, is, is their, is, is, is their, is their, is, is their, is, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, is their, about each other, and even about the American people. So, again, that's sort of the overarching journalistic exercise here. I'll tell you this, if you, if you want it to get it out there, a book is a nice start, but if you really want people to pay attention, you've got to make it into a TV show. Gentlemen, thank you so much. From your lugs to God's airs. Thank the book, th and th and th and th and th and th and th, th and th, th and th, thank you so much for doing. Thank you. From your life to God's Heirs.

Thank you. Jonathan My Alice's book, This Will Not Possum, Avail. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. Off the dish. Thank you, man. Thank you, man. Thank you. Thank you.

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