The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Monica Lewinsky - "15 Minutes of Shame"

Episode Date: October 18, 2021

Monica Lewinsky discusses her path to becoming an anti-bullying advocate and her documentary "15 Minutes of Shame," which examines America's culture of public shaming. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is producer and activist Monica Lewinsky. She's here to talk about her brand new documentary that unpacks our culture of public shaming. I can see the physical toll. My weight fluctuating. Probably like 105 pounds in that picture. The next few months was me going to counseling, me trying to figure out how to walk on American University's campus while constantly being triggered every single

day that I'm there. Monica Lewinsky, welcome to the Daily Show. Thank you, Trevor, nice to be here. It's a pleasure to have you here. Before we get into the interview, I did one of this. Does everybody call you Monica Lewinsky always? No. Well I guess in a professional setting in an interview. I did one of this. Does everybody call you Monica Lewinsky always? It's like- No. Well, I guess in a professional setting in an interview, maybe, people either do that or I've also felt people very familiarly will call me Monica.

Oh, okay, got it. So that I'm so in that sense of being very familiar to people for a long time. But I also get, I think the familiar thing, people stop me and ask me. to. to. to. to me. to me. to me. to me. to me. to me. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, the, the, thi, thi, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. I. I, I, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, the, they. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the th being very familiar to people for a long time. But I also get, I think the familiar thing, people stop me and ask me for directions a lot. So I think it's that thing. Wait, like in the street? Yeah, just ran. And I think it happens to me so often that it must be because there's something in their brain that is, oh, nice and so but are you good at giving directions I think I'm good at giving I would hope you've gotten good because if people always

ask me for directions I would just get really good or I would get really good at seeming like I'm good at giving directions just so that people leave me with a sense of confidence and then if they get lost that's that's not my problem sort of that cruise director I've yes yes that's exactly what it is. Let's talk about the reason you're on the show today. October is bullying prevention months, right? And one of the biggest places that bullying has moved to is online. You know, just yesterday on the show I was talking to Tristan Harris, who I think you know, and he was here talking about like just what social media giants have been doing to inflame our ability to bully each other, to hate each other, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their.. And their their their their their. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And their. And their. And their. And, their..... And, their......... And, their...... And, their..... And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to become polarized. You're looking at the subject from a completely different perspective and yet the two overlap. The first question I have for you is online bullying or bullying as a whole. How do you even begin to tackle that? Is that even a tacklable thing? Well I hope it is. I mean I think that with any social problem, I think we can't give up on the idea that we

can have social change and that people can change their behavior, whether it comes from understanding, whether it comes from empathy for other people or, you know, changing the structure, let's just say social media, law, all sorts of things. So I think we can make a dent, and as you were saying Tristan, who's in our film, right. Yeah, who's th th th that th th that th th th th that's th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi, I thi, thi. I thi. I the. I thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I the. I th. I th. I th. I think we can make a dent, and as you were saying, Tristan, who's in our film. Right. Yeah, who's actually in the film. But I think where there is a lot of overlap is that you're seeing and with Francis Hogan, who, the whistleblower, right, right, from Facebook, I think that she's talking about what's happening online already, but you can see the consequences of that, the real human consequences

in our film. So that's where there really is this overlap too of what we're talking about with the social media companies and the landscape and the human consequences. You've been a part of telling the story, 15 minutes of shame, a new documentary film that's going to be premiering on HBO Max tomorrow, and it delves into a subject that you yourself, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thir, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi, it delves into a subject that you yourself, you know, you refer to yourself as patient zero. You know, you say I am the patient zero of this whole thing and really you were because your story blew up right when the internet was really becoming a thing. Information was flying across the globe. So my first question to you is as a human in this, why would you want to go back into that? Why would you want to

delve back into a story that I can only assume was one of the worst periods of your life? I think had my life unfolded differently and had there been a different path that allowed me to get back on a more normal developmental path or to get a job and more normal developmental path or to get a job and move forward in life. I'm not a hundred percent sure I'd be. Wow, interesting. An anti-bullying advocate at the at the moment. But really what happened for me was after graduate school I realized that I couldn't run away from what happened. I had to integrate it and they had to do a lot of work around that and in the process of that in that times times ti ti ti ti. ti ti. the ti. the the the the ti. the the the ti. the the the the ti. ti. ti. th. to to to to to to to to be to be to tooe. to be to be to be to be to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to that. to. th. th. th. th. the the the th. the th. th. the th. the. the. thea. thea.e.e.e.e. thea. thea. toe. toe. toe. toea. toea. toea. toe. toe it and they had to do a lot of work around that and in the process of that, in that time span, it just became

clear that what happened to me, and I made a mistake, but what happened to me was now happening to many other people, especially young people, I don't want to kick into my TED Talk, so which happens sometimes when I talk about this area. But so I think that it is, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th about this area. But, so I think that it is, I think for me, it's not easy. This isn't easy for me to do, but it's important, I think it's important work. And when I hear from people that it's been meaningful, whether it's a teacher who's helped a student or something else, and that's, I think that's me and everybody who's working in this space,

it of course is worthwhile. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. But that's all about to change. Like none of this stuff gets looked at. That's what's thaaauuuiiiiiiauiauiaui. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thoes thoes thoes thoes thoes thi. thoes thoes thoes thoes thoes thoes thoes. thoes. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toen th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. the. the. theean. theann. theann. theann. theanann. theann. thean. thean. thean. thean. When thean. the. th's all about to change. Like none of this stuff gets looked at. That's what's incredible. I'm Seth Done of CBS News. Listen to 60 Minutes, a second look, starting September 17th, wherever you get your podcasts.

Well, you know what's really interesting about this subject for me is, um, the concept of being shamed online is one that I feel is constantly going to evolve in that what I love about this film that you've helped create is you take us through the story and the journey of shaming. You know you take us to a time before internet, before newspapers even. It's like here we are we're going to tar and feather people, we're going to stone people in a public square. There's always this idea of shaming the person with that punishment. But as the internet has grown, the thing I've often said to people is, there was a world

where it would be celebrities or people who are in some status position who will be shamed. But because of social media, it is only inevitable that everybody will achieve some level of celebrity that will then enable them to be shamed on the same level. And I feel like that's what you've started talking about in these stories is it's gone from being presidents and actors to now just being a high school girl, to now just being a man who works in a factory, to now just being somebody who took a picture with their family and the picture was taken the wrong. That seems like a change in how society is looking at who to bully and who to shame.

Absolutely. You're 100% right. I think that one of the factors, and we do take people through this in the film, is around the idea of how shame had been used since the beginning of time as a social tool. when the printing press was invented it all of a sudden leapfrogged into being something that could now be commoditized. And then once the tabloid culture bled into every area of our culture, you know, leading up to Princess Diana's death, which you know was a function of paparazzi live in that world, the tabloid world, right? That's where their income comes from and so there was that moment and that was only five months

before 1998. So we we didn't make a cultural shift and the internet being there when 98 happened, it then it then grew from there. But I think what we're seeing now too is that this is very much about power, right? It's about like, are there people in power who should face consequences? Right. Absolutely. But are there people who are not in positions of power who are facing the same consequence and and it's ruining their lives in a way that is very different, yes to that too, you know, and I'm not sure I think, you know, so it's not only people and power, but it's also the power too that we have as as citizens as people, right? It's trying to try to a mob really. Yeah, you know, I think, you know, I

don't know how you feel about cancel culture and kind of the term cancel culture, but I think it's, for me it's just become a a th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thus, thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to be, to be, to be, to be, thi, to be, to be, to to to be, as to be, as to be, as to be, as to be, as to, as to, as citizens, as citizens, as citizens, as citizens, as a, as a, as citizens, as a, as a, as a, as a their, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as a to, as, as a to, as a to, as, as, as, as, as, as, as a to, as, as a to, I look at it as I go, I think everyone says cancel culture and it seems like it embodies everything. And I go, well sometimes it's consequences, sometimes it's criticism. And I think it has become a broad term that doesn't enable us to have better conversations about which aspects of it. I agree. We want to monitor. That's what I loved in the film. You specifically don't just go, guys, let's not use the internet

and let's not poke, you know, let's not poke at people. You talk about all the upsides. I think there really is a kind of a beauty and a beast to the internet. And we see it with, you know, look at the social change that is happening. We call it shaming for change, but around hashtags with me too, that that that kind of the the the th. th. th.. th. th. I, th. I, thi. I, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, th. th. that's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th. th, th. th, th. th. th. that's, the, the, that's, that's that's the, that's that's the, that's not, that's not, that's not, that's not, the. that's not, that's not, that's know, that that is that kind of power that can come from the social tool is, shame as a social tool, is invaluable and that's giving a power to people who haven't had a voice for a long time to hold others accountable. But then you do have instances, you know, we have all shades of gray in the film, including the cli that you showed,

is somebody who never made a mistake. In fact, the opposite. She did everything that you were supposed to do and then some, and face this just horrific, horrific white supremacist mob online. You know, so... But have you, have you glimpsed even an idea of what we could do about this because It feels like as as the documentary shows it feels like this is an unfortunate byproduct of being a human being You know, it's always a lot to those right and and and and the internet has amplified that

And so when when you look at these things is there even like a glimmer of hope where you're like, oh, this is something that we could do? I mean, I don't know, maybe call me Pollyanna. I do believe there's a glimmer of hope. I have a belief in the good of people, that people can be good. Obviously, they're a f-ton of shitheads. Oh yeah, you can say that. There's a ton of shitheads, but, you know, in the world. But I think that, I think where we're going and where we're moving to and what the,

what is possible is that we, and we try to do this in the dock. You know, the dock is supposed to companies who, you know, if you think about an architect and an engineer, right, their job is to make sure no matter what, no matter how beautiful the building is or functional, if people are not safe in that building, it's useless. So they have to work better and harder and faster at making sure people are safe. But there's also the human behavior component of it. There's the chemical, the dopamine that, you know, and you think about, so I think those are two places

where we need to see change. I think we need to see a shifting in section 230 about what the social media companies are, you know, to be classified as a startup. You know, when you're owned by some of the wealthiest men in the world, I think that that's, we need to find a change. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. But that's all about to change. Like none of this

stuff gets looked at. That's what's incredible. I'm Seth Done of CBS News. Listen to 60 Minutes, a second look on Apple podcasts starting September 17. You know, one thing the documentary made me realize, and I know that I've been guilty of this as well, I've been on both sides of it. I've been publicly shamed, like, you know, I've had my cancelling moments and all of that, but I know that I've also been part of mobs. And what's interesting is when you're in the mob,

though, there's a disconnect between you and the human. And so you don't even realize the size of the pebble that you're throwing because it gets combined with everyone else. So, you know, I remember back in the day, it's like, oh, Tiger Woods. And then I was like, I've got a joke about Tiger Woods. I'll tweat this because it's funny. It's just me. It's by myself. realize that you have become part of a thing where if you stepped back, if you saw somebody's life, and if you saw the mob you're part of, you may be able to go, whoa, whoa, whoa, I wasn't trying to do that to somebody. I thought it was

harmless, I thought it was meaningless, but it went to one human being. And so is that, is that like as somebody think not only, I think that really what felt important was for people to come to understand what happens in these shamings and what does it feel like to be on the receiving end of that title wave of negativity and it's not even, it's exacerbated from being just shamed but also can be violent. You know, so I mean, and that violence doesn't just live particularly for women. It doesn't always just live online. So I think too that there was, you know, we don't, we don't get to know these people of who they were the moment before. Whatever it is, happened, right? And so I think in the same way, and I understand that I was, I didn't have much much the history the history the history the history to to have much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much of of of to have a much of to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you know, you know, you know, you know, to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you to, you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I, th. thi. thi. th. to, to, th. to, th. to, the. to, to, to, to, to, thi. toe. thi. And so I think in the same way, and I understand that,

I was, I didn't have much of a history to what happened to me in 98. This was my first job out of college. So there wasn't much there. But that sense of, and that is one of the really emotionally devastating experiences around having a shaming like that, is that feeling, the irony of seen and not being seen at all for who you truly are. Yeah I know exactly what you're talking about. And so I think that there's and we haven't. You spend all your time time trying to claw back the you that people don't see. Exactly. Because they've defined you now. Everyone goes this is who you are. No no I I grew up I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. the th. th. I th. I th. I the their their their their their their their their their. I their. I their. I their. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm te. I'm try. I'm try. I'm try. I'm try. I'm try. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm've defined you now. Everyone goes, this is who you are. And you're like, no, no, no, I grew up like this and I have parents and I have family and I have friends

and I make good decisions and you know what I mean? Yes, and in that way your narrative runs away from you. It's your identity is stolen. And I think you're so right about the mob mentality. You know, one of the things, I don't know, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe it it's, maybe, maybe, maybe it's, maybe it's, maybe it's, maybe it's, maybe it's, maybe it's, maybe it's, maybe it's, maybe it's thi, maybe it's thrown, maybe it's thrown, maybe it's thrown, maybe it's thr- I'm, I'm, I'm thr- I'm thrown, and I's thrown throwns, and I's throwns, and I's throwns, and I throwns, I throwns, I throwns, I throwns, I throwns, I thrown, I thr-a, I their, I their their their their their their their throwne, and I's throwne, and I'm throwne, and I'm throwne, and I'm throwne, and I'm throwne, and I'm throwne, and I'm throwne, and I'm of fascinated by this idea of, you know, did people in stoning times, did people pick up more than one stone? Or was it they threw one stone? Oh, that's it. And they had the moment of seeing the person's reaction, you know, an energetic feeling of someone, you know, what it felt like to be hit by that stone. I don't know, you know, but today with, you know, they call it the online disinhibition effect. So this sense of what happens online is that because

you're dealing with a screen and not another person, yes. You take on a different identity that a lot of these behaviors and the ways that we see empathy and feel empathy are just, you're unable to see that, you're unable to feel it o'cified. You know what it feels like to to the to be like thiiiiiiiiiii, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, them, them, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, because thi, because th're unable to feel it online. In many ways, you know what it feels like to me sometimes? Is I play video games. When I play video games, there are things that I would do in a video game, I'd never do in real life. But it's in the video game and it happens to the other characters.

So if I'm playing Grand Theft Auto, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to run someone over overthe other side. Yeah, and I think sometimes the problem with those things is you become anesthetized to that whole, you know, that idea of that there is a person. And you, and it becomes, like if you think about, you might be too young, but second life that was sort of, oh yeah, yeah, no, no. Okay. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. that, I'm not. that's. that, I'm not. that's not that's that. that, I'm, I'm, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, I... I. that, I. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that, I. that, I. that, I. that. that, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, that that that that that that that that that that th. that that that that that that that that that that that that that. th not that young, but thank you. You know, second life is sort of this fascinating, very, to me, a very rich place of understanding human behavior online of that first place where it was, oh, you know, in the same way, Photoshop, like Photoshop gives you this ability to say, whoever I am right now, how I look is not good

enough. This is who I wish to be. Exactly. And so I think that the minute we start divorcing ourselves from that self-reality, it not only affects us emotionally, but it also impacts how we treat and see others as well. So... The journey you've been on, and I know we've got to wrap this up, I mean, everyone should just watch, you know the documentary. No, because I think it's, I think... You all worked really hard on it, so thank you. No, but, you know what I think it is? I think if we're not careful as people,

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you know what, I'm now going to take control of my story, I'm going to reclaim my narrative. How did you do that? happened for me, it happened in stages because also my ability to even see and understand what had happened to me and the consequences of some of those things didn't become apparent for years, for a decade. It wasn't until I got out of graduate school. I had a master's in social psychology from London School of Economics and I couldn't get hired. Wow. And so then I started to realize, oh, this is a lot more damage to me to what had happened than I had realized at that point.

And I didn't set out to reclaim my narrative. I set out to heal. And healing for me was, I mean, I would try anything. I did a lot of consciousness and energy work, but I also had a lot tha tha tha tha tha tha tha thi thuuuuui thuicicic thuic thu. thu. thu. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that, that the the. tho. tho. tho. tho. th. th. th. th. th. this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. This is th. This is th. This is th. th. th. thi. the thi. thea. theat, theat, thea. theat, thea. the, that, thi. thi. This is a this is a this is a this is a thi. try anything. I did a lot of consciousness and energy work, but it also had a lot of therapy. So I think it was this process and as I changed, the world was also changing. But it eventually became, it was around seeing what was now happening, this new landscape online to other people that made me realize, well, there may be some validity or some help. And like, if I'm the poster child for having been publicly shamed and my life may not be

great right now, but I'm still here, that might help someone. And so that sort of began the process, and it was actually the younger generations, you know, I was, Grading Carter gave me a chance to write a first-person essay for Vanity Fair in 2014. And what that meant was I wasn't going to be defined through a journalist's eyes. I was going to define myself. I was going to say what I wanted, and it was the younger generations who insisted that the older generations, who had really been around at the time, said, whoa, whoa, let's, let, the, the, the, th let, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, thu, thu, thi, thi, thi, the the the the thi, thi, thi, the the thu. thee, the thee, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, the thi, the thi, thi, the, the, the, the, thei, thei.a. thei.a. thei. thei. thei. thei. thei, th really been around at the time, said, whoa, whoa, let's, you know, stop and have a rethink about this situation. Not to say I shouldn't have had some blame, I certainly try to take responsibility for those things,

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