The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Movies vs. TV Series I Hold Up with Dulcé Sloan & Josh Johnson

Episode Date: June 24, 2023

What’s the best form of entertainment: movies or TV series? At-home streaming or going to a movie theater? Daily Show correspondent Dulcé Sloan and Daily Show writer Josh Johnson discuss TV reboots, the heartbreak of TV show cancellations, the struggles of watching movies with your parents, and how Lifetime movies sparked Josh’s love for movies.Original Air Date: September 1, 2022Hold Up is a podcast from The Daily Show. Listen to new episodes every Thursday wherever you get your podcasts, or watch at YouTube.com/TheDaily ShowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to Comedy Central. Hello friends, welcome to Hold Up. Podcasts, I ask the question, do we need to be talking about this? No, but we are. I am Dulce Hlund and I am a comedian, and I am a correspondent on the Daily Show, and I do the voice of Honeybee of the Great North on Fox. Please let me introduce my co-host, Josh Johnson. Hey, how's everybody doing?

Now, Josh, who? What you do? So I'm also a comic. I do stand-up, I also write at the Daily Show, and I'm also online on the internet. You can find me on the things at Josh Johnson Comedy. I'm excited about today's subject. Yeah, I can tell. Thank you so much. Today's subject is movies versus TV series. And Joshua, where do you fall on this movies versus TV series? I mean, I'm movies all day, all right? I'm movies on a plane. I'm movies in bed.

I'm movies, you know, all, like even, sometimes when I know I'm not gonna be able to finish it, I still will turn on a movie before I get into a show. I'm obviously TV shows. And I think I'm a trained actor. Which a lot of people don't know. Also Josh is also trained in the theater arts as well. Not so much performance, but like. No, not performance at all. It's actually just lighting.

It's not... Like it's very hard though. Like I've had to read, I can like read a lighting plot, I can hang lights, I cut gels and slurge josts, gobows the whole nine, but I don't know how to like program a light board. Mm-hmm. It's difficult. Yeah, it can be difficult. Acting to me is still, wow, it's a lot. It's hard.

It's hard. It's hard. No matter what people say. So I think for me, because I am a trained actor, and people are going to say, oh, don't you mean actress? No. I don't. Just for the people will say, like, with comedians, don't you mean comedian? Bitch, if I met comedian, I would say comedian, I'm a comic. I like a TV series because I, like I said, as an actor, I want to

see more of the character, right? So because of the movie, you establish your character and then the movie is over. So unless they do a sequel to this movie, all of the information that you have about these people, all of the storylines that you can have happening at one movie, and it's done. Like I love the movie Karina Karina, right? It's one of the favorite movies. But we don't know what happened when that little girl grows up. We don't happen to do what we go, Bergera Lotus character get married. How about that? You find out no further information about them because once a movie is over, girl it is over.

But it's not like these, you know, Marvel movies where they got 163 of them that come out and any superhero that's ever breaks the pages of a comic book it's going to be thrown in an outfit and put on to see a TV. There's what, like 387 Marvel movies? Okay, this is, I know, no, no, I know, I'm with you. There will be 387 one day. We're not there yet. But they're climbing. Really, 256.

Yeah, but my thing is, when you talk about that specific aspect of why you think TV shows are better, I actually think that that's what ruins things for me when I watch TV is because you run a show so long that eventually a character does something that's low key out of character. So now you're like, why would, why would they even do that? They spent four seasons being this, this way and then they just switch it up and now they're just a whole different person. Whereas with a movie, hmm, movie, mm, we know who they are and then it's over. This is one of those situations where I'm not trying to convince you that TV is better. Mm-hmm.

I'm trying to say that I like a TV... Okay. I think a good compromise for you would be a, like a Spanish novella, like a tele-novella, or a Korean drama. So like a lot of Korean dramas that I watch, it's about 16 to maybe 40 episodes. And then the show is over. Now if it's a super, super popular series, they could bring it back with the Boys of a Flower series. It brought those back sometimes. But for the most part, once the show is over, the show is over and it never comes back again. So maybe if you're looking into like

wanting that movie feel of there's a, this story, this part of these people's story ends, then I think that like the Korean drama or the telenovel will be the where to go. Because with the TV series, there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's the the their their their th, th, th, th, thi thi that, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th is over is over is over is over is over is over is over is over is over is over is over is over is over is over. T, th, th, th, th, their is over th, their th, their th, the is the is over the, that, that, that, that, the show that, the show that, the show is over the show is over that, that, that, that, that, that like the Korean drama or the tel novella would be the where to go. Because with the TV series, there's plenty of things, like there's a show called, there's a show, My Kind of People. I've been watching on Hulu, it was a Fox show. It's like these black people that live in like the Hamptons or something, very old black money. This thin. trying to get it and the first season ended with a cliffhanger and I don't know if it's coming back. Yeah, you've got to watch the movie and been like I wonder if this movie's coming back.

Yeah. I assume every movie is just one episode long you know And also the thing for me that makes movies, in my opinion, superior, is that TV shows... So you mean, I just told you I'm not trying to make this competition. And you keep trying to make this a competition? Is that what this whole broadcast is? Me trying to keep the peace? Are you out here going for violence? It's some of it. It's definitely going to be an aspect. the the thahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. I'm th. I m. I is, I is, I is, I is, I is, I is, I is, I is, I is, I is, in th. I is, in th. I is, th. I is, th. I is, th. I is, th. I is, I is, I is, I is, I is, I is, I is, I th. I th. I, I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's, the th. M. I'm th. M. I'm the th. M. I'm th. M. I'm th. M. I'm of it. It's definitely gonna be an aspect. Wow, because I think most of the time, you think that I'm the one going for violence when, in this particular- Oh, I don't think. What you mean?

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there's a movie called Coffee Town. That's fine, very funny, that I enjoy very much. And it's just a movie about a guy who goes to the same coffee shop shop to every day, and the little hierarchy he has, a little like ecosystem in there, and then they're gonna shut down his coffee shop so he tries to save it. You can't make a whole show about that. Yeah, you can, every episode he's doing something different, trying to save the coffee shop, and that many different ways,

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That's not true. That's what happens with TV shows all the time. So you're telling me you've watched a movie on a plane that was done. You talking about the movie stop in the middle. Yeah, the movie doesn't stop in the middle. They made the movie. They don't always make the movie. I understand things will lose funding. But I'm talking about once they put it out there, it's out there with the whole story. You don't have the heartache because like I've watched shows where it's like

Yachter Lester was on this show about like going back through time. Mm-hmm. And midseason the show got canceled. And then there was a show that Shonda rhymes had that she was talked where it was like called Star Cross so it was like basically what happens to the Capulets and the Montague used after Romeo and Juliet died yeah but I think they show got cancer because they they open casted their open casting was so open you couldn't even keep track of who the families were yeah yeah yeah because people would just start because like Shakespeare people just start talking so then it's like well who the fuck is this? It would be great to go to a play with you and you've never seen the play before right but it's done in that Shakespeare style so there's someone just

thus someone just walks on from the opposite stage side you know we've been looking at stage left this whole time somebody enters stage right and just starts a conversation and then you're in the audience just going now who the hell what listen I have seen plenty Shakespeare plays I've built sex for Shakespeare plays and but I think you realize like when you're walking but like anytime you're watching, any show, any show, a character pops up and someone has to introduce the character. What really bothers me in a TV show or movie is like you said, you've put it perfectly, when

a character enters, you have to address that character, you have to tell us who they are. But I, I, it actually bothers me in my bones when the writing is so bad that they just say all that just exposition. So somebody will walk in and they'll be like, Odysseus, king of Ithaca, what are you up to today? It's like, well, that's how sometimes Shakespeare would introduce characters. Yeah, yeah, and it's the one, hey, Shakespeare, brilliant poetry, sonnets, whatever, that thing, that thing made me want to throw my book in English class.

I'm like, who, because who talks like that? You made a suspend disbelief for this entire scene, and then you ruin it because at the end you're like, oh, hello,'re now meeting an act two see three like I just like you're watching show and like even in a movie like somebody walking you like fuck is it like I just wish that somebody would write a TV show or a movie that made it easier to watch with your parents. Sure, yeah. Because if you're watching a TV show or a movie, too, who is that? Mama, I've been watching this movie as long as you've been watching this movie. I don't know who he is either. I think we're about to find out. Well, mom. I'm just trying to make sure I know what's going on.

Mama, you know as much, I have as much information as you have. I don't know who the fuck this man is, just got here. Let's see, she will pause something, some fact. Well, tell me who that is. Paul's TV, we can find out who he is. Now, I'll even throw this out there. So you know my situation. I was raised with my mom, my aunt, my grandma, and my granddad. Yeah. Because my granddad and I were outnumbered,

the TV was always under the control of the rest. You know, it just, so we watch a lot of lifetime movie network and we watched a lot of, what was the other one, a lot of oxygen, a little bit of we, and then some TV one, right? Now I'm not saying I never got control of the TV. I got to watch my cartoons and stuff, but I'm just saying for like prime time hours, hey, this is what we're doing right? You watch Martin like everybody is? No, I'm, I'm completely. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, this is what we're doing right. You watch Martin like everybody else? No, I'm completely with you. All I'm saying is. But when those weren't on.

When those weren't on, it was Lifetime Movie Network. And I think that some of that is what sparked some of my love for movies. Because then, because the movie would sometimes be poorly written, there was no, there were no extra questions to ask. So you just had to accept. It gave you everything. It gave you everything. And then my thing was, there was this one movie. I wish I could remember it, but I was a teenager. And everybody, when I tell you, everybody in the movie look alike, it's like, it's like they were casting the lead and they just loved everybody so much. They were like, put him in the movie too.

Give him a part, put him in the movie as well. Because every dude looked like the lead. And I'm sure he was an average size, average build and had dark hair. Mm-hmm. And a little bit of stuble. Just a little bit to let you know that he enjoys the outdoors. Yeah. I might build some furniture by hand, but he has a good job. He can handle a splinter. He can be all right with that splinter. But what he could also do is listen. Mm-hmm. Because your last boyfriend from the city, Lifetime movies are amazing because it's always someone leaving the big city. Yep, yep. And coming back home. Lifetime at a hallmark. Because we had no help.

There's five of us watching. Right. And all of us. Everybody in the house is like, why she kissing him? I thought that he was... No that one is her husband is it are you sure and and the movie is a regular style movie so there's characters that other characters are diametrically opposed to so there there be characters argue it and it looked like he yelling at himself in his workshop yeah and both got on what is it plaid shirtsid shirts? Yeah, flattel, yeah. And jeans, and a boot. Everybody looked like the bounty man.

Everybody looks like the bounty man. And all of the girls are in some type of cardigan situation. A sensible shit. They're always wearing it. They're always cold. Yeah. All of these lifetime movies are set in the fall. I've never seen a lifetime movie in the summertime. No.

Everybody has too much clothes on. Too much clothes on. She's probably blonde. Mm-hmm. And then there's another blonde. And everybody drink out of a mug with both hands. You've never seen anything like it. Everybody, no matter who it is, they all just cupping. Oh, cozy.

How do you have all... Well, we're going to have a Bachelorette party, but I just wanted to do something more intimate. And it's five white women under one giant blanket, all watching their own movie. Yeah, a version of the movie that they're in. Yeah. Drinking Hot Pocca. Because the last time she drank, she got too wild.

And wild means drove through a Wendy's drive through. Like, yes. It's like, oh my God. Like, those movies are not. But it's like, I think this is why people like, okay, we have that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we that we have that we have that we have that we have that we have that we have that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that, that, that, that, that, that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th you know, like those movies are not. But it's like, I think this is why people like, okay, we have to make sure that we cater to like middle America. And I don't think the people understand that middle America is all of America. You don't think there's people in New York. You don't think people in in there's not a woman in LA watching a fucking Lifetime movie holding both of her hands on a mug? You don't think that's

happened? On a mug that says you already know it, live, laugh, and love. I think that when it comes to lifetime shows, they have a little bit more of a replay value as shows, you know, when I look at we, when I look at oxygen, Bridezillas, how could you not? I would watch Bridezillas with my mom. We didn't even know what binging was in 2002. And my mom and I would watch Bridezilla nonstop. We know there's reality TV shows. We all know this reality TV show, then it's MTV's fault.

But, well, actually, the first reality show I think was cops. I think it was cops but the one that really took off was Survivor. Was Survivor before real world? I think it was at the same time frame, but I think Survivor was slightly before real world. I remember watching Big Brother House and being like, what after the second season I was like, what the fuck am I doing? This makes no sense. I remember, I know what comic it is who has a joke about the show naked and afraid. He was like I was watching the show naked and afraid. I could ask myself this why are they naked? Yeah. Also you know they don't win anything? Yeah. The woods is enough. Yeah. Yeah. Also you know they don't win anything? What you mean? Okay, so, oof, okay, I know, I know we're going tangent after tangent, but this is, this

important that you know. This is important that you know. That show? Yeah. They don't win, like Survivor, they win money, right? Survivor they win $100,000. naked and afraid. No, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they'll they they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll.00, they'll.00, they'll.00, they'll. they'll. they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll th. the. the. the. the. tho. tho. theateateateate. tho. tho. theat. the. they they'll they'll they win money, right? Survivor they win money. They want $100,000? Naked and Afra, no, Survivor they'll win, I think they win a million now. Oh, sidebar, you know if you win anything on television, you have to pay the taxes on it.

Hard, yes. Yes, you have to pay the taxes on this bitch. Yeah, you also, yeah, if you just wouldn't have aired giving me the car, if you, if you had come back from commercial and been like, everyone in this audience is very happy, aren't they? Everybody just nodding. That would have been a very different situation. But when Oprah points to you and says you have a car, look at your seat. The IRS is also like, yes, he has a car. Oh, I'm sure that's one person's job at the IRS just to watch gang shows. Yeah, yeah.

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You got $7,000 with the furniture and they have to pay the taxes on $7,000 for it. Is it California taxes? Is it California taxes at your house? Because if I came from across the country, play the prices right. And I live in Gary, Indiana. Who is shipping this liver room set to Gary, Indiana? Me? Or CBS? No, I think they have to. Or else you didn't win anything. I think the network paying for you to get the thing has to send it to you,

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You get a car to the tax. come up with any reality show like reality movies other than like jackass right oh that's that that's fair I think jackass is the only one right we're doing so much dumb shit mm-hmm why fit it into a season just give us two solid hours in your life to see how many times we can hit each other in the test I mean it's it's more than that though it really is more th- it's thi thi it's th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that that that that that that that that th th th th th th th that that that that th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that that that that th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that that that that that that that that thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi we can hit each other in the test. I mean it's it's more than that though. It really is more. It's about friendship and it's about skateboarding off roofs and it's about getting punched by professional people that punch.

Okay. I do not know that you were a Johnny Knoxville fan. I'm not even saying I'm a huge fan of the series. I'm just saying I see more in it than just shots to the balls. I didn't know you were a Knox head. I didn't know you were a Jackass. I'm saying. I'm saying. So you're a Jackass is what you say.

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The Don Cheetel Captain Planet is one of the greatest Captain Planets of all the time. Oh, it's hilarious. There are a lot of movies that translate to shows which in my opinion just bolsters my point because it's like this this movie is so good that we want to see more of it and so I think that sometimes when you have a TV show and they do a movie version of it it's like lackluster it's just like it's fine. th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. th. th. th. th. th. th. There th. th. There th. There th. There th. There th. There th. There th. There th. There thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thin. I thin. I theeeeeeeeeeean. I theeeeeean. I theeeeeeeeee an the an the the when you have a TV show and they do a movie version of it, it's like lackluster. It's just like, it's fine. I think it could go both ways because it's like, okay, Buffy the vampire slayer. Mm-hmm. The movie? Not that great. Okay. The TV show? Fucking amazing. All right. And then like the Star Trek movies are supplements to the TV series where like you can get people to live like one of

the Star Trek movies you actually have like Picard meet Kirk and they actually live like a hundred year apart. So there's a rifting time and they get to meet each other and all of that. So you get to see like your favorite because it's just science fiction. To my knowledge and you know listeners can write in if I'm wrong or whatever I'm sure they'll let me know. I feel like no it's just it's it's funny because like it's not it's not in a bad way like I'm not upset or anything but I truly have Catch a Hell for that tomato soup episode like just I hope are people deeming you? 100% yeah yeah people are DM are, people are, yeah, so anyway.

So you were trying to make sure you couldn't lose. And you said something so wild. People have taken the time on their day to do it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You're wild as hell-grow. TV has the advantage as well, along with reality TV, of having a game show because there aren't really game-show movies, you know? Well, they try to do that with those Choose Your Own Adventure movies.

Remember Netflix trying to do that shit? And, but this is the thing about that with those choose your own adventure movies. Remember Netflix trying to do that shit and but this is a thing about those chews on adventure movies the ending is already to talk you have two different endings. They're still determined. So you try those two your own adventure movies and if you make a choice that it didn't have because the thing is the choices can't be infinite you can't the choice.. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. th. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. th. th. th. It. It's is th. It's is th. It's didn't. It didn't didn't didn't didn't. It didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. the choice. It is the choice. It is the choice. It's is the choice. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's't film for every thing. So eventually you get to a point and we're like, yeah, you have to make a different choice. Like, no, bitch, this was my choice. Yeah. Why, you're just making me choose, and they could choose your own adventure book. The book would be, fucking a thousand pages, as opposed to the 100 because I'm on a fifth grand level. What the fuck? What the first? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I I I I I I I I I I I I I, yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, the, th. Yeah, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the choice, the choice, the choice, the choice, the the the the their, their, their, their, their, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. Yeah, the, th. Yeah, grade level. What the fuck? Yeah, yeah. I understand what you're saying.

I just feel like those are two obvious advantages, but I think that to your point about there sometimes need to be more creativity for a TV show. I think that that's what creates the margin of error. I didn't say there need to be more creativity for a TV show. I was saying that because movies are finite, because movies The story has beginning, middle and an end Uh-huh. You only have to be as creative. It only have to be created enough to tell this story. I see, I see. It's like there's a show that I like. It's a Canadian TV show called the Murdoch Mysteries.

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because you have to create creating more content. Mm-hmm. Okay. Because America doesn't do shows. If your show doesn't get canceled, you just have to keep making more show. And that thing more show and that thing that thing specifically is one of the reasons I think movies edged out to because the Brits the Brits I think it's right now the Brits I'm gonna

fucking work Luther you gave me four episodes in a season? There's this Australian show, no, this show from New Zealand called Broken Wood Mysteries, only six episodes in the season. Go to work! No, no, no, no. My thing is how do you make any money? They must pay them so much money to do those episodes because... have to be able to. I don't think they do either. I think that's why they come here and they do movies and TV here. I think that they give you just enough that you always want more, all right? I think that they, even if it makes you upset, even if you can't stand the fact that they stop at three or four or six episodes, you still are like, ooh, that's a good show.

I wish they did more. They don't do it often enough and when they do it, they don't give us enough, you know? And so I'm saying that the way, the audience, that's the audience, yeah. The audience, yeah. Okay. I'm saying the way that the way they they the way they the way they the way the way they the way they they the way they the way they they the way they they the way they they the way that they do that is perfect. I think American TV does this thing for me where, let's say there's a movie of something and there's a TV show of something. Right. The TV show may very well be better than the movie, but I think on a long enough timeline,

the quality which almost always happens, which is why anytime it doesn't happen, we call that show the greatest show ever made. The quality over years tends to decline or characters start repeating stories or everything either becomes the same or the way that it changes people don't like. I think that on a long enough timeline, the show falling apart, then makes the movie better because you have to look at each thing as a body of work. And so when I see the body of work of the body of work of the body of the body of the body of the body of the body of the the the the the the the the the the the te of te of te of te of te of te of te of te of te of te of te of teals, teasks, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te, te.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e, te, te to look at each thing as a body of work And so when I see the body of work of a TV show that ran too long Versus the body of work of maybe a movie about that same thing I think that the show definitely has the opportunity to be greater than the movie But if the show goes on for too long the movie the movie the movie the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the we can't act like all the seasons of a show didn't happen.

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were about the ending of Lost, I was like, well I'm not, I think I saw it like, I don't know, it was like a Hulu or maybe Netflix, it was somewhere where I could like binge all of it. Yeah, it was somewhere where I could like binge all of it. Yeah. Yeah. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was, it. It was, it. It was, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, like, like, like, it, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I, like, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, like, I'm, like, I'm, I'm, like, I'm, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like And I was like, well, I'm not watching this fuck at you. Everybody's so bad about how it ended. There's the difference between the show ending and a show getting canceled. Yeah, that's true. That's true. When your show, I feel like people who show got canceled.

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It's almost like a fuck you to the audience. Or that's the net was like, but be nice to us, like we watched the show. Yeah, and I think that so much of the industry is just circling around money that people don't think about the fact that even if you are going to end something prematurely, give people time to let it end well because you never knows. This might be like, TikTok is teaching us right now that things that we cast away a long time ago that we thought were old and washed up can have a resurgence, they can have a resurrection, you know what? Like what? Like the song? Like many songs. So many songs have gone viral because of Tick-Tock and it's resurged the

careers of the people who made the song. Like woo. Didn't that happen to Lizzo? Didn't that happen to Lizzo? I thought that Lizzo song that popped off was a song she that that that that th actually actually actually actually actually actually actually actually actually actually actually that that that that that that that that that th. th. th. th. th. the the the the tho tho tho that tho that that that that that that that that tho, that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thoooooooooooooooooo. that's that's that's that's that's that's Lizzo song that popped off was a song she had actually put out a while back. And it didn't pop when she put it out, but then it blew up on Tick-Tock way later. And then, that's why I'm, that's kind of what I mean. I'm not talking about like, hella, hella, the tel. I'm just saying, look at Firefly. Firefly was this show that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people th. That people th. That people th. That people th. That th. That th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho, th. I th. I th. That's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's th. That's th. That's th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's this show that people thought ended too early. They got real upset, and it got such a rabbit fan base that now that's an interested fan base you know wants the show. You won't even have to guess as an executive.

Oh, it does have like a cult following, but they're still not going to bring the show there. But that's also what happens when you end something in a way that leaves people wanting more of it. If you just ended abruptly, people are either gonna be like, why would I ever start this? Or why would I watch the whole thing? Maybe I just stop or I wanna stop. You're never gonna get the analytics for a resurgence, you know? I'll ask you this, what movie, and you can ask me the opposite way, what movie would you want to see turn

into a TV show? Some of it's already happened. So what we do in the shadows was funny and I think the show is funny. Show is very funny. I think that if Guy Ritchie's, the gentleman could be turned into a TV show, we could see way more of the characters and the... You hated it? Or you just haven't seen it? I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. There's just so many layers to that movie that I want to see expanded and I think that that would be a great TV show. If nothing else just for me. What about you, is there a show that you want a movie version of?

Because the one benefit I can say the other way around is that you can compress in a movie. If you do it too much you ruin the movie. Right. You can compress in a movie a lot of what could have been a show and just really bottle it up and give someone a nice present. You look at Top Gun and the new Top Gun, right? 20 years in between those two movies, but it picks up right back where it left off and it leaves us a great present.

Oh, you're right, 30 years, yep. That's a whole lifetime. So do you have a show that you want to be a movie? I don't always see the benefit of turning a TV show into a movie because you are, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, I think I don't always see the benefit of turning a TV show into a movie because you are, you're bottling things up and you're like trying to, because it's like, what would be the benefit? I'll give you something that will help you. The best time to do a movie based off a TV show is when know. Arthur TV show. Arthur TV show, Arthur Movie. Yeah, Arthur TV show, Arthur Movie. So it's, let's say, DW starting kindergarten. Arthur's finally going

to the fourth grade. Because Arthur's been in the third grade for 24 years. Quite a while. He'd been held back. I mean, everyone in his life has, baby Kate has been a baby. Kate should be out in college. Like, no, no, I'm with you. His parents are almost retires. But also, they're rebooting all these TV shows. The only black show they rebooted was the game and the game is very good. Why are we not rebooting? we rebooted full house we can't reboot you know I think that Queen Latifah is too successful to reboot living single. No, they can't. They can't. They can't. That's the problem is that a lot of these people from some of these famous like black sitcoms, oof they either they've

either gone on to make too much money and they're just not interested or Something has happened. Family matters. You can reboot family matters You're right family matter family matters really just family matters now that I think about it. I'm everything else I can think of is like a no-go. You're not rebooting Martin. You're not rebooting the Wands Brothers. No. You're not rebooting girlfriends because Tracy Ellis Ross is too famous. Mm-hmm. And we already they the the the the the the the the the they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they they they they they're they they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. thy. thy. thy. tho. that. they're they're they're they're they you're not rebooting the Wands Brothers? No. You're not rebooting girlfriends because Tracy Ellis Ross is too famous. And we already got her low-key girlfriends rebuke when they brought her friends on an episode of Blankish. Yeah, yeah, I would say... Oh, I know a TV show that was able to blend doing movies while still having their show. But I think their movies were just an hour-long TV show, yeah, translate it well.

Their movies were just an hour and a half. Yeah, yeah. So they even have to go for like commercial breaks, but Syke did a great job. Did you watch a little bit of Syke? Love that show. So I'll throw it to you all the listeners. We, you know, we've been talking about this back and forth for quite a while. I feel like we've both made some very good points.

We both know how we feel about certain shows and programs now, but we want to hear how you feel, okay? Is it TV shows for you? Is it movies? And look, far be it for me to bring down movies. If you don't think I did a good job, but you still love movies, you can let me know, all right? Lord knows, I'm finding out how everybody feels about me after that tomato thing. So like, just go ahead. You said catch up with tomato suit, you crazy, man. people aren't coming at you like. I'm not offended. I understand why they're doing it.

I'm just saying, I'm acknowledging that it's happening. Wow. So if you are looking to catch up with us, you can follow the podcast, obviously you probably are now if you're listening to it. You can tell a friend about it. That helps even more. You can find Dulce Sloan on everything as Dulce

Sloan and you can find me as Josh Johnson comedy. Because the thing is, the more listeners we get, then eventually we'll be able to do this live in front of an audience. And that's what everybody wants. Yeah, that's what everybody wants is just see me snap, finally, you know, just all the way, completely. Snap why you're just like, I didn't ask for this.

And then you just rip your shirt, like, whole foe-ykeer. Yeah, yeah. I didn't ask for this, all right? Gril cheese is a castle, and then I walk off. Hot dogs are a sandwich. Let me tell you something right now. Hot dogs is steak and anybody who says differently can fight me. But yeah, thank you all so much for listening and we look forward to talking to you next week.

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