The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Murtaza Hussain & Yair Rosenberg On A Israel-Palestine Path to Peace

Episode Date: March 21, 2024

Jon Stewart sits with The Intercept's Murtaza Hussain & The Atlantic's Yair Rosenberg to hear their thoughts on a path to peace for Israel and Palestine. The journalists dissect the United State's involvement in the Middle East and also touch on how they retain a strong friendship even when their opinions don't align. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Please welcome. Thank you very rarely do you get a standing ovation for the guest, but clearly they think, Muslim and Jew sitting next to each other? How can that be? But thank you both for being here. But thank you both for being here. You are both, obviously, your American writers that write a lot about the Middle East. The peace plan, uh, the thethat write a lot about the Middle East. The peace plan, the Stuart plan, as I call it, the Me Too plan. And, Tells me, we'll start with you. How unrealistic is that? It's similar to a 2002 Arab League resolution. Why? Why can't this happen?

Well, you know, it's not a bad idea. And on paper, we're going to cut there. Thank you so much, Mikaza. So appreciate that. Well, I think the problem is, I write about US foreign policy, especially in the Middle East. And I feel that the consistent theme here is that when we give blank checks to countries which are clients or partners, we enable their worst tendencies or their worst behaviors. In this case, you mentioned the Arab peace plan.

In 2002, the Arab League offered Israel full political, economic, diplomatic normalization. Exchange for the main crux of it is creating a Palestinian state in the 1967 borders, which is in line with international law and so forth. They've reiterated. And a repatriation plann, the plan plan plan plan plan plan plan plan plan plan plan plan plan plan plan plan plan plan plan plan, the de the de the details the details the details the details the details the details the details the details the details the details the details the details the details, the details, the details, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their worst, their, their, their, their, their, their, the plan, which can be negotiated the details of it, but that was the crux of it. And, you know, they've reiterated this plan many, many times, including recently. It's not just Arab world, the broader Muslim world as well, too. I interviewed the Pakistani ambassador to the UN a few weeks ago. He told me that Pakistan, Indonesia, other large population, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and Muslim, and their, and their, and their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their they do not want the Palestinians be thrown under the bus. They need to be a two-state solution in their view, creating a state in those lines.

Without that, they cannot be. But the Israeli government has never responded to this deal. It's not even rejected. It's refused to engage. And I the main reason is because they have the U.Sheauauauauauauauauauauauauau.S.S. the U.S. the U.S. the U.S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to be to be to be their solution solution solution solution solution is is is because their solution solution their their their solution their their solution their solution their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to bea. S. to bea. to bea. to bea. to bea. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to bea. to be to be to be whatever they do, they'll have a superpower backing, and many people in Israel want the West Bank. And the Israeli government, Benjamin Netanyahu is bragged that he's stopped the Palestinian state from coming into existence. And because they have this backing, they don't need to compromise with their neighbors or engage with the neighbors substantially.

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That's what seems like has that. That would then be sort of like the you know the referee. The problem is is that while you produce as you showed in your monologue the Arab states are willing to talk a big game. United States and sometimes depending on their own troops down there. Can you imagine America under Democratic presidents who are retrenching from the Middle East, right, trying to get out of the forever wars? Or Donald Trump, who wants to turn Americans as some sort of isolationist country, get us out of, you know, stops helping Ukraine, right? They're not going to stick Americans there. The Arab countries, no different, they'll give a token amount their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thapapapapape, their, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thoom. thr, thr. thrown, thoom. tha, tha, tha, tha, tho, tho, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, try, try, try, try. And, try. And, try. And, try. And, try. And, try. And, try. And, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try and, try and, try and, try and, try and, try and, token amount of money, and then try to, like, you know, make it go away. And so that's, I think, the fundamental flaw here.

I will say that if you took away U.S. backing and said, Israelis were going to put some other people on your border, particularly, say, Arab states, and they're going to be the guarantors to your security, the Israelis wouldn't say, well, I'll thua, I I I I I, I, I say, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I's, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll th. thrall, I'll th. thi. thi. thrall, I'll thr. thr. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I... th. I, I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll th. th. th. th. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. th. th. thr. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. a country. Nobody's going anywhere. Yeah. And also this is a country that's full of people, right, who fled other countries, including those Arab countries, because they were persecuted, right, killed, dispossessed, right? There's like, you know, half of Israelis are now middle eastern orgaears. But two diaspora's don't make a right. Of course, you know, but they won on both of these for just one second. So, and this just pushes back on both. You know, we get into this litigation of, well, the Palestinians in the Arab state, they propose something very reasonable to the Israelis, but the Israelis wouldn't do it.

And they just rarely say, well, we don't have a partner for peace, and we propose something very reasonable, but they don't do it. Doesn't it appear appear appear appear appear appear appearized to fix this at the peril and detriment to the Palestinian people? And here's what I mean by that. Egypt has its border closed to the Palestinians. These are autocratic states in the Arab world. They all view the creation of Israel as a humiliation. If that's where they start from, it's a very easy kind of issue to deflect attention from your own dictatorships, to own the so-called Arab Street with anger towards Israel, but

the Saudis, you, they all do business together. Aren't they disincentivized to fix this? Netanyahu, whenever he gets in political trouble, suddenly there's a war. So who is incentivized to actually fix this and isn't the people who really suffer from all of it, just the Palestinians, who get no regard from any group, no real support. You know, I think that was the case for some time, but I think that things have changed in the sense that the Arab countries are very eager to get this off their plate actually. That's why they had this Arab peace initiative and keep reiterating it, because they no longer want a way which ignores the Palestinians. And I think that the idea of the Abrahamic Court, for instance, was let's a sidestep this issue and make deals with the Emirates and Saudis and so forth. I was in Saudi Arabia recently and I was talking to a broad range of people.

I think the idea that the Saudis will's very unrealistic because... No, that's my point. Yes. It's the two-state solution. But if nobody is there to just guarantee, everybody has preconditions for everything. You know, Netanyahu, I need a partner for... If you don't meet these certain conditions of no violence, I won't negotiate with you. Well, America occupied Iraq. And there was violence there the entire time. I mean imagine if we had said a precondition that there'd be no Iraqi government

unless you know this violence would end. It nothing would ever it seems like nobody's actually being honest or genuine in the region about their aims. I would put it a little differently which is to say that the people who are a scholar and I'm a comedian. We'll see we is to say that the people who are running the show. It's why you're a scholar and I'm a comedian. We'll see, we'll see when it's done. The people are running the show for some time, which is how we arrive at this disastrous destination, are these absolutist actors who, they might say that we'll negotiate and here's

a condition and statement as you showed of people from Hamas, right? These are people who want everything, right? They see half of the people in the land as the problem, right? And then the question is how you negotiate. Yeah, the absolutists. And then there are lots of people who are also pragmatists. And that's how we had behind negotiations for two states.

And so there always are those people. They might be a minority, they might be a majority at a given point in time during a war. Right, they're a minority. Right, but there's always those people who say this is not going to be solved with weapons. We need to find a way to live together. But we're not supporting those those those those those those those people those people it, most hated entities in that part of the world are the ones responsible for the peacekeeping effort. It doesn't make any sense if the Arabs don't step in, if the Arab nations there, and couldn't you say that this was a great bulwark against the strength of Iran?

Couldn't you convince UAE and Saudis that the only way to temper Tehran is by forming this alliance and recognizing them. Well you know it's interesting you mentioned that the US stance in the region that's very unpopular I think it's related to this issue. This is the core issue of why the US has not had normal relations in the Arab world and Muslim world generally. It's a very bitter and symbolic issue for a lot of people. We do have normal the the the the the their relations their their their their their tha tha thiii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. It is thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's is is is is is is is is. It's is is is is. It's is. It's is is is is. It's is. It's is. It's is. It's is. It's is. It's is. It's is. It's is. It's is thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's interesting. It's interesting. It's toe. It's toe. It's toe. It's interesting. It's interesting. It's thi. It's interesting. It's interesting. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's very bitter and symbolic issue for a lot of people. We do have normal relations. We sell more weapons to the Saudis than we do to the Israelis. On a public level, or like, you know, only with dictators, for instance. The reason this democracy is very skeptical in the Arab world,

we're afraid that regimes which are mad at us will come to power. But I think the main issue, I think, and we do that supposedly in Israel's interest, but I think what it does in reality is prolong the conflict indefinitely to everyone's detriment, to everyone's detriment. I'd come to the position that we should either be fair in this conflict, we should either be fair in the impacting us in very very negative ways militarily, economically, strategically. We have other problems in the world to deal with as well too. And I believe that if the US were to pull what I'd say is a blank check from Israel, it would incentivize Israel to compromise more because ultimately Israel has to live in the Middle East.

That's where the country is, that's where the people are going to be. Their neighbors who are willing to compromise with us. We could move them to Maine. Maine is wide open. They could play tennis. But I hear your point, but to that, I do think, I do think, I do think, the idea that this is all about the United States, that we are the actor that drives all that I think plays into a myth of United States control. And I think if we've learned anything in these last 20 to 30 years of the United States is we've got big influence, but we sure as hell don't have control. And I'm not so sure that by the US changing its policy in certain ways, that that solves this. What's your thought on that?

Yeah, well, I mean, John, that's a very controversial thing to say that's that's the main character of the entire planet. Then I'm going to say you said it and I didn't say it. That was him. OK. You know, because this is not live, so maybe we'll cut that. Yes, exactly. But that is clearly the case. There is this sort of sense that a lot of people have, that the United States and the could, there are multiple American presidents who would have done so. And they would have changed the policies and they would have tried and there were always people in different factions in the State

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with Israel in a genuine way and that the United States wouldn't feel maybe that it had to be on the line there, listen, I'm no fan of any of it. I think this cycle of violence over the 75 years is destroying the dreams of two peoples, not just the Palestinians. I think it's destroying the dream of the Israeli people as well. And so so so so so so so so so so so I so I so I so I so I so I so I so I so I so I so I th so I th so I th. So I th. So I th. So I th. th. I thi thi thi thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thei. thei. thei. thei. thei. thei. thei. thei. thei. thei. thi. thi. thi. two peoples, not just the Palestinians. I think it's destroying the dream of the Israeli people as well. And so I think that what we're doing now clearly, and what we've been doing, is a cycle that we have to pull out of. And I imagine, you know, that's the thing that ultimately has to happen. Streaming soon on Paramount Plus.

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Just what I was going before. Oh my God, they traded your baby for wine. Do you really think we would trade John for white? Or, any wine? Frazier, new season streaming September 19th on Paramount Plus. We're talking to Martaza Hussein and Yarra Rosenberg. And we talked a little bit about some of the things that could help break the cycle of violence in the Middle East. The act of the two of you sitting here having this conversation is almost rebellious or revolutionary in the current moment.

How do you counsel Americans in this moment to be able to, you know, not lose so many Facebook friends when it comes to all this? Is there any advice that you guys have? The back story of the two of us is that we've been having these conversations for something like 10 years. And the further back story is that we reached out to each other on Twitter because we both realized that we shared a lot in common about how we approached the world, but we had very different opinions on issues like these. And that's how we became friends some 10 years ago is it? That's not that's that. And like th th th th th th th th th th th th. And like th. And like th. And like the thi thi thi thi their thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. And thi. thi. thi their thi. thi. thi. thi. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. And th. And their their their their their their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thee. to tean. tean. tean. tean. tea. te. te. thean. thean. thean. thean. thi. the not that. And like, and so we've had, we've been doing this over, you know, a kosher, in kosher restaurants because for Sunni Muslims many of them

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Yeah, it's well said. Well, ultimately, as the year I mentioned, we're journalists and you seek out people's perspective, different from you you learn about the world a little bit. I think I have to say that it's easier for us too because we're not Israeli and not Palestinian ultimately. We're American and we view it that way. You know, both of us know people who have, families, members have been killed recently, many dozens in some cases, in Gaza recently. And you know, that conversation which is destructive. What I would say, you know, I could accept any Palestinians view or any Israelis view when they're so intimately involved in it, but I can never respect the bloodthirsty American. That's the only person I can not respect.

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U.S. military or by the violence that took place in that time, also a very elevated rates of cancer and other indirect causes of the war. And it's kind of not, it's kind of forgotten actually. Those people, their lives go on, but you know, the impact their lives go on. the impact that we're the impact their lives their lives their lives their lives their lives their their lives their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to to to to to to to to to to to took took. took. took. took. took. took. took. took. tooks, tooks, tooks, tooks, tooks, tooks, took.e. took.e.a.e. took.a.a. took.a. tooks, tooks, tooks, tooks, tooks, tooks,the new cycle moves on. So, but you know, those memories stay and the impacts our ability to operate there or how we're viewed there in the future. So it's something which, you know, it's maybe very pessimistic about U.S. foreign policy in the sense that I know many, at the end of the Cold War, there's an optimistic view. We can make the US deeply involved because there's a very negative track record. I think there's a mythology around sort of the Marshall Plan and it's the

you know after World War II is oh we were in war with Germany and Japan and we threw a bunch of money at it and now we're the best of friends and they buy our cars and we buy their cars and it's all lovely and all it takes is a little little bit of money and some American know how and we and we and we and we and we and we and we and we and we and we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can we can can can th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th we th we are can can can can can can can can can can can can can can we we we we we we we can we we we we can we can can can th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. we can we can we can we can we can we can we can't we can't to we can't to to to to to took the the the the the the the the the the to turn the world into allies. I think we might have learned the wrong message from all that. I'd also say from reporting around the world myself, when you talk to people, this can have the wrong impact. If you have a great mythology about yourself and how you fix all the world's problems, then some people will say, how can the Americans not fix this problem? And they'rethem, actually there are a tremendous number of incredibly well-meaning people serving our country, trying to do this stuff.

It's just really hard. But there's a certain story that we've told. And sometimes people really expect us to make good on it. There are impossible promises that we can't keep. How do you guys negotiate this pragmatic view within your own families? Because I know within, thi there is no, I can't get five Jews to agree on anything at dinner. Like, how do you negotiate that within your own families? You know, I think there's the personality type that tries to really hear where people are coming from and speaking.

How do you get one of those in your family? Shear dumb luck or your dad is a rabbi, in my case. And so that's what you do as the rabbi, right? And you're trying to understand where everyone in the audience is coming. Your synagogue can be diverse and there are people with different political and ideological perspectives. And how do you tell them the truth and stay true to that while also. And so yeah it's a type of personality. You see it in different there are different kinds of political leaders and spiritual

leaders who managed to do this and there are others who feel like what's the hardest, sharpest, best viral slogan I can use on Twitter right to own the other side. And by the way when we were younger I mean I was much more hot-headed. I was much more hot-heeded. to thii. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was thi, I was thi, I was much, I was much, I was much, I was much, I was much, I was much, I was much, I was much, I was much, I was much, I was much, I was much, I was much th thi. I was much th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi, I was th th thi, I was th th thi, I was more thi, I was more thi, I was much more, I was much more, I was much more, I was much more, I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was much thi. I was much thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. we first met you guys seem the opposite of hot-headed like it's we aged a lot. I honestly I feel like I want this as my screen saver like I this is so calming to me that I what about you insane because that brings up an industry point what mitigated the rashness was it just youth what what got you you guys less visceral? I think getting older is one aspect of it but then also you know The rashness was it just youth what what got you guys Less visceral I think getting older is one aspect of it But then also you know reading a lot of books trying to see other people's ready to travel that has a big impact I'm thinking keeping open mind

Trying to try to treat others consistently as well. to trying that golden rule in mine as well, I'll tell you know you mentioned family Family, the family very spread out????? the th? th? th? th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the th. th. th. the th. their the? their their their the? the. the. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. thea. thea. theateateateatea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. thea. theatea. thea. thea. the., you mentioned family. It's interesting, because I've had conversations with family, that family very spread out over the world. And you know, certain experiences can be very resonant with people. I had an uncle who lives in Pakistan. And he was very critical of the US war in Afghanistan. He thought that it was very bad. He said, I think, he visited Kabul. And that's kind of what, they didn't make anything good from their presence here, it's just very exploitative. And then he actually visited New York one day and he visited the subway system and he's

like, oh now I get it actually. It's not, uh, it's not their purpose, you just can't do it actually. So you know, you're, you're, um, you're, you're, uh, that's hilarious. I mean, this is where we're getting to the jokes portion, which is hard in this topic. Very hard. And like people ask me like how do I conceptualize? Like Hamas has, what is the New York Times? 350 to 450 miles of tunnels underneath Gaza. And it's like, to think of it this waynel. Right. You know, it's just a really long number. You just raise the price to $1.50 a ride, and then that's a problem solved. Two dollars a ride.

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