The Daily Show: Ears Edition - November Democratic Debate Special | Alicia Menendez

Episode Date: November 21, 2019

Trevor analyzes the fifth Democratic debate, Gordon Sondland testifies in Trump's impeachment inquiry, and MSNBC's Alicia Menendez discusses her book "The Likeability Trap." Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and we are coming to you live, people. And I'll prove it. The New York Knicks lost tonight. How could I possibly know that if we weren't live? Now, on a normal night, the debates would be the only news anyone would be talking about. But since Trump became present, there has been no normal night. So, today we're going to be covering the debate, and we're going to be covering the blockbust impeachment hearing that th. the th. the debate th. the bhe. the bhe. th. th. th. And impeachment, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiwa. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. the the the the debate, the debate, the debate, the debate, the debate, the debate, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theeea. thea. theauuuuiauiau theauiauauauauaua. thea. thied Washington, D.C. So first up, let's get into it. Tonight was the fifth Democratic debate, and it took place down in Atlanta, Georgia, at Tyler Perry Studios, where they filmed numerous movies and TV shows.

And I'll be honest, I'm just glad Joe Biden finally made it to the right soundstage, because for a while today, he was just wandering around in the background of other movies. It was really awkward. Medea was like, give me one of those famous massages while you here. I'm tired as hell Joe Biden. Now at the last debates in October they had 12 Democrats crammed on stage. Yeah it was so tight people could barely move but then Spirit Airlines was like, hey, that's our thing. So this time, the Democrats scaled it back down to an even 10. And the candidates were joined by four moderators, who for the first time this campaign season were all women, which personally, I didn't even notice.

Yeah, it's amazing, but I didn't even notice because I don't see color. Now, the major change, the major change from the last debate is the rise of Pete Budajesh, right? Mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and the only adult Michael Jackson would be into. Over the past few weeks, he has surged from the middle of the pack to take the lead in Iowa and New Hampshire. So now, between Budajee, Biden, Warren, and Bernie, this has become a four-way race. And if you include Corey Booker, it's still a four-way race. So, with Budajejah's writing and rising the polls,

tonight, the moderators asked him something, a lot of people are wondering. Why should a teenage mayor from South Bend? In order to defeat the the the the the the the the the the the the the, let's talk about your record as a candidate. Why should Democrats take the risk of betting on you? In order to defeat this president, we need somebody who can go to toe who actually comes from the kinds of communities that he's been appealing to.

I don't talk a big game about helping the working class while helicoptering between golf courses with my name on them. I don't even golf. As a matter of fact, I never thought I'd be on a Forbes magazine list, but they did one of all the candidates by wealth and I am literally the least wealthy person on this stage. Yeah, Pete Budaje may be the poorest person on that stage, but Bernie was like, yes, but I look the poorest. And that should count for something. You know, it's actually funny how running for president is the only time people brag about how much money they don't have.

It's like they're all bizarre rappers, you know? Started from the bottom, never left. Started from the bottom, and my whole team is in the exact same place because there's been no upward mobility for the last 30 40 years in this country And I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie a lot of tonight's debate Sounded exactly like what we've heard in the previous fall. You know Medicare for all versus a public option Pragmatism versus revolution Joe Biden versus his own mouth, but One new thing we did see tonight was some brand new beefs, like Elizabeth Warren

versus Corey Booker on the wealth tax. You know, I have proposed a two-cent wealth tax. That is a tax for everybody who has more than $50 billion in assets. Your first $50 billion is free and clear. But your $50 billion in first dollar, you've got to pitch in $2. I don't agree with the wealth tax, the way th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, to to to too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, tho, tho, tho, tho.a, tho'''''er, too'er.a, too'er. And, too'ero'ero'er. And, too, too, to pitch in two cents. I don't agree with the wealth tax, the way that Elizabeth Warren puts it. The top one-tenth of one percent that I want to say pay two cents more, they'll pay 3.2 percent in America. The tax, the way we're putting it forward right now, the wealth tax, I'm sorry, it's cumbersome. It's been tried by thribed. It's been tried by thried by thried by thried by thried by thribed. We's been thried by tried by the tried by tried by tried by tried by tried. tried. tried. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1. the. the. the. the. the. the. then. then. then. then. then't then't the. the. te. te. te. tf. tf. te. te. te. te. te. te. te.1.10te. te. te. te. future. We Democrats also have to talk about how to grow wealth as well.

When I stood in church recently and asked folks in the black church how many people here want to be entrepreneurs, half the church raised their hands. Yeah, and one guy in the back was like, nigga, what's an entrepreneur? It's French for a businessman? Well, I don't want to be a French businessman. I want to be an American businessman. It's got a whole lot more. I don't say why. So that was Warren and Booker arguing about WellTex. Then there was a beef that really came out of nowhere. Kamela Harris versus Telsi Gabbard.

We have someone on the stage who is attempting to be the Democratic nominee for President of the United States, who during the Obama administration spent four years full-time on Fox News criticizing President Obama, budied up to Steve Bannon to get a meeting with Donald Trump in the Trump Tower. What Senator Harris is doing is, unfortunately, continuing to traffic in lies and smears and innuendoes, because she cannot challenge the substance of the argument that I'm making.

People, please, stop fighting. It's not worth it. Neither of you are gonna be president. What are you doing? What are you doing? That was the most intense argument I've seen in Atlanta that didn't involve nane. That was really intense. I also love how they're doing it with smiles in their faces.

Oh, well, the thing about you is someone to break your face. But please, but please, don't get me wrong. Tonight wasn't all about beefs, right? In fact, there was one moment between the candidates that was actually kind of sweet. First, I just want to stick up for Tom, to a broken campaign finance system, but Tom's been spending his own money fighting climate change. You can't knock someone for having money and spending it in the right way, my opinion. Thanks, Andrew. No problem.

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one of the most awkward moments of the night came courtesy of the original GAF machine when he was talking about domestic violence, Joe Biden. No man has a right to raise a hand to a woman in anger other than in self-defense and that's rarely ever occurs. And so we have to just change the culture, period. And keep punching at it and punching at it and punching out.

There will be a big... no, I really mean it. It's a gigantic issue. What are you doing? What are you doing, Joe? The only way he can recover from that is if he just starts making bad word choices his thing, you know? He just needs to like dig deeper. He just be like, we need to get right to the heart of the drug epidemic. I'm saying get deep in the veins of the drug problem. And when we do it, it's going to feel so good. So the candidates, once again, spent two hours tonight,

trying to show voters what separated them from the other people on the stage. But when it came to Trump, they were all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all, to to, they were all trying to show that they were the same. We have a president who is not only a pathological liar, he is likely the most corrupt president in the modern history of America. Read the Mueller report, all 442 pages of it that showed how the president tried to obstruct justice, sucking up to Vladimir Putin every minute of the day. The president had to confess in writing, in court to to to the to the the to the the the to illegal the the to illegal the the the to illegal the the the the the the the the the the the the president to illegally to illegally the president to illegally to illegally to illegal to to to the peoleoleoleoleoleoleol-apeuticol-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-pological the piiologeologeologeologeologeolog. Weiologeolioleoleoleoleolea-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s.. Weea-s. Wea-s. Wea-sefficient the-seconomiceconomic-seconomic-seconomic-s.economic-s. Wea-s. Wea-s. Wea-c. the-c. the-c. the-cologicaleconomic-cological the day. The president had to confess, in writing, in court, to illegally diverting charitable contributions that were supposed to go to veterans.

First of all, we have a criminal living in the White House. A criminal in the White House. Someone needs to tell Donald Trump. I bet he was watching this at home, terrified like, oh no, a criminal! I hope he doesn't steal all this stuff I already stole. But look, it was no surprise that at a democratic debate, they were talking impeachment tonight. Because you see, the biggest political story today was a blockbuster hearing in Congress,

where we heard testimony from Gordon Sondland, Trump's ambassador to the EU and Homer Simpson's body double. He's the first witness to testify who spoke directly to President Trump about what he wanted from Ukraine and today he admitted, he admitted that yes Trump demanded a quid pro quo. Specifically if Ukraine's president got dirt on Joe Biden, Trump would have a meeting with Zelensky in the White House, which shows you how bad Trump wanted dirt on Joe Biden. Because usually Trump will do anything to get out of a meeting. Yeah, one time he even called in a bomb

threat. It was like, hello White House, this is Mr. Al-Qaeda, I'm calling in a bum threat between 3 and 4 p.m. in the conference room, but keep the donuts there, I'll eat them later. And here's the thing, here's the thing. Not only did Sondland testify that Trump ordered a quid pro quo, he testified that everyone in the administration knew about it. Everyone, seriously. He threw everybody under the bus. Mike Pompeo, Mike Pence, Mick Mulvaney, John Bolton, John Bolton's mustache, mustache is mustache.

But there's one man in particular that Sonland put at the center of the whole scandal, Rudy Giuliani. Secretary Perry, Ambassador Volker, and I worked with Mr. Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine matters at the examination. Secretary Perry, Ambassador Volcker and I worked with Mr. Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine matters at the express direction of the President of the United States. We did not want to work with Mr. Giuliani. We worked with Mr. Giuliani because the President directed us to do so. President Trump directed us to, quote, talk with Rudy. Let me say again, we weren't happy

with the president's directive to talk with Rudy. We did not want to involve Mr. Giuliani. Oh, God damn, nobody wanted to work with Rudy Giuliani. You know, Sunlin was talking about Rudy, like, he was like that weird kid, that that kid. Yeah, and then that kid will th th kid would kid would kid will th kid will th kid will thi would kid will thi w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w w to like that weird kid that your mom made you play with, remember that kid? Yeah, and then that kid will always get you in trouble and you'd be like, mom, I didn't want to play with Rudy in the first place. You said I have to, then he wanted a microwave a dead pigeon. That's not my fault. Like, I would have, I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when Rudy, to watch, the, the, to watch, to watch, to watch, the, to to the, to to to to to to the, to to to the, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and you, and to be like, and to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, th..... th... And, th. And, th.. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr. thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, th thin, thin, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. Although, if there was a fly on Rudy's wall, I'm pretty sure he'd eat it, so maybe not exactly, but,

but you know what I mean? So today's hearing was very bad for President Trump, so much so that he came out of the White House before the hearing was even over to defend himself. And I got to say, he seemed a little shook. Just a quick comment on what's going on in to to to to to to to to what's going on in in in th on what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on what's going on in terms of testimony with Ambassador Sondlan. And I just noticed one thing, and I would say, that means it's all over. What do you want from Ukraine?

He asks me, screaming, what do you want from Ukraine? What do you want from Ukraine? I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories. What do you want? What do you want from Ukraine? What do you want from Ukraine? I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories. What do you want? What do you want? And now, here's my response that he gave. Just gave. Ready? You have the cameras rolling.

I want nothing. That's what I want from Ukraine. That's what I said. I want nothing. I want from Ukraine. That's what I said. I want nothing. What is Trump doing? What is Trump doing? That was one of the least presidential things I've ever seen.

He just looked like that crazy dude in the neighborhood who's yelling at everybody on his front lot. If I find out who's been taking my newspaper, I swear to God. Like, Trump is the only president to bring down the property value around the White House.. th th th th th th th thoom. thoom, tho tho tho tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, that, that's, that's, that's, thus that's, that's, what tho, what is tho, what is tho, what is tho, what is thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu th. What th. What th. What, what th. What, what th. th. th. th. th. thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu. thu. thi, that's, that's, that's that's that's thru. What is that's thru. What is tru. What is tru. tru. What is tru. What is tru. What is tru. What is thi, what swear to God. Like, Trump is the only president to bring down the property value around the White House. You can see, even the white people next door came out to see what the commotion was all about. You can see in their faces like, oh my God, Donald is out there again. Like, I don't know.

I miss that lovely black family who used to live here. This guy is a problem. He's a problem. And you realize the worst part is that Trump was reading all of that from notes. Like, that wasn't Trump freestanding. That was Trump prepared. Now look, I'm no trained lawyer. I'm no trained lawyer. But I feel like innocent people don't need notes to remind themselves that they're innocent. Like, you never see defendants in a courtroom like, can I just say, Your Honor?

I did not murder my wife. So look, this didn't make Trump look good or innocent. In fact he said the same lines so many times in so many different ways it almost felt like he wasn't being presidential it felt like Trump was auditioning to play the character president who is innocent. Ready you have the cameras rolling. What do you want from Ukraine? What do you want from Ukraine? what do you want from the the the the same? What do you want from the cameras rolling? What do you want from Ukraine?

What do you want from Ukraine? What do you want? I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories. What do you want? What do you want? What do you want? What do you want? What do you want? What do you want? I want nothing? I want nothing? I want nothing. I want no quit pro quo. I want no? What do you want nothing? What do you want? What to want? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What to want? What to want? What to want? What to want? What to want? What to want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do want? What do? What do you want? What do you want? What do you want? What do to? What do want to? What do want to want to to want to want? What do want? What do want nothing. I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. I want no quid pro quo. I want nothing. I want nothing. I want nothing. Thank you, folks.

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Unbelievably exciting news. My new podcast, the weekly show. We're going to be talking about the election. Economics, ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is an MSNBC anchor host of the Latina to Latina podcast and author of the new book, The Likeability Trap. Please welcome, Alicia Menendez. Go back to the show.

So, this book I feel speaks perfectly to what we are subconsciously to what we are subconscious back to the show. So, this book I feel speaks perfectly to what we are subconsciously dealing with in every single debate. The likeability trap. How do you become likable as a candidate whilst at the same time still being yourself as a person? Why is that so difficult to achieve? It's difficult to achieve across the board because likeability is so wildly subjective,

but it's particularly challenging for women. If you are a woman who strives to lead, you are told one of two things. You're either told you're too much, too assertive, too aggressive, you need to tone it down, or you're told you're not enough. You don't take up enough space, you don't take up enough oxygen, you don't have what it takes to lead. So women are told they can either be likable or they can be a leader, but there's almost no way for them to be

both. And when you talk about women candidates, what makes that so complicated is that voters will vote for a man candidate even if they don't like him, even if they don't like th like th like th like th like th. th. th. th like to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thei. toea. tea. tellea. thei. tellea thei. toli. toea toli. toea toea toea women candidates, they have to clear both hurdles. Voters have to like them, and they have to believe that they're confident. It's interesting because in this race, specifically, a lot of media coverage has been geared towards discussing Elizabeth Warren's likability, you know? Whereas people before, let's say when Trump was running, they said, well, you know, I don't like him, but I think he can get the job done. And that was a common thread that went through the election. In the book, you say something that's really interesting.

You talk about Hillary Clinton in particular, where, you know, you talk about something that I didn't really pay attention to and that was when she was just doing it for the country. She was secretary of state. People liked her, independence like to, Republicans like to, Democrats liked her. And then immediately when she ran, people perceived it as now she was doing it for herself and her likeability dropped. Why do you think that is? Well, with men we presume that it's in men's nature to want power and to grab for power. When women do that, it violates this expectation we have of women that they're communal, that they'll act communal. I mean. th. th. th. th. I mean, I mean, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I thin, I mean, I mean, I mean, thin, thin, and thi, and thi, and thi, and then, and then, and then, and then, they, and then, thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr-s, thr-s, thr-s, thr-s, thr-s, thr-s, thr-s, thiii, thi,'re communal, that they'll act communal. I mean, there's an irony in that, right? Which is most women run for office

because they want to do something that benefits their community at large, but they're seen as it being a power grab, because it's their name at the top of a ticket. And so it's seen as this singular act. I am a woman and I believe that I am worthy of power immediately makes a woman less likable. Chris Quinn, who'd run for the mayor of New York, said to me, the day you declare, you have a new negative. That's an interesting place to be in as a woman who is a candidate, because you're in a race where people are looking at your likeability, but then they're also looking at your track record, which as you've seen, you know, people spoke about, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and, their, their, and, their, and, and, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is...... And, is. And, is a. their, is. their, is. their, is. their, their, their, their, their, t their, their, their, their, their. their. their. their debate tonight. Amy Klobuchar has said, look, I think there is a double standard for how much you have

to have achieved as a woman to be on the stage, whereas the men can just come in with like, I have a few good ideas and this is why I think I should be here. When you look at the trap, how do you think people can escape? How, people people their people can't their people can't their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I their. I their. I their. I their. thapapape. their. to be to be to have to have to have to have to have to have to have a to have a to to have to have a woman. to have a to have a to have a to have a to have a to have a to have a to be to be to be to be to have a to have a to have a to have a to have a to have to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a to be a tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to towards but then still achieve or be the best or be the leader etc. You are doing such a good job of articulating how complicated this is and women have been given two paths right we've either been told we can do this gender-correcting performance where we like sit in our chairs and are cautious about how we use our hens to towa th just let it go. We can just choose not to care about likeability. I don't think either of those paths work, right? Because if you do the first one, then you put the responsibility of likeability back on women.

If you do the latter, you don't, you're not being honest about how important likeability really is, and what it really is, a cover for bias, and say enough, and, to, and, and to, and to, and to, and to be, and to be, and to be, and to be, and to be, and the to be, and the the the, and the the, and to be, and the the, and to, and the the, to be, th and thin, thin, thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th........... And, th, th, th, th, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi. And, thi. And, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, toooo. toe. toe. too. toe. toe. to. tho. And, th. And, th. is, a cover for bias, and say enough with it once and for all. The powerful stand to make and you make a good case for it in the book. Thank you so much for joining us on the show. A really fascinating look into the world of likeability. The likeability trap is available now. Alicia Menendez, everybody. The Daily Show with Cover Noa, Ears Edition. Watch the Daily Show weeknights at 11, 10 Central on Comedy Central and the Comedy Central app. Watch full episodes and videos at the Daily Show.

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