The Daily Show: Ears Edition - November Democratic Debate Special | Alicia Menendez (Rebroadcast)

Episode Date: November 28, 2019

Trevor analyzes the fifth Democratic debate, Gordon Sondland testifies in Trump's impeachment inquiry, and MSNBC's Alicia Menendez discusses her book "The Likeability Trap." Originally aired November 20, 2019. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's right, we are live people and I'll prove it. The New York Knicks lost tonight. How could I possibly know that if we weren't live? Now, on a normal night, the debates would be the only news anyone would be talking about. But since Trump became present, there has been no normal night. So, today we're going to be covering the debate and we're going to be covering the blockbuster impeachment hearing that rocked Washington, D.C.

So first up, let's get into it. Tonight was the fifth democratic debate, and it took place down in Atlanta, Georgia at Tyler Perry Studios, where they filmed numerous movies and TV shows. And I'll be honest, I'm just glad Joe Biden finally made it their. their. their. their. And, their. And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. And, th. th. their, th. th. their, their, th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. We's, th. We's, th. th. th. th. th. tooo. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. We'm just glad Joe Biden finally made it to the right sound stage, because for a while today, he was just wandering around in the background of other movies. It was really awkward. Medea was like, give me one of those famous massages while you hear. I'm tired as hell Joe Biden. Now at the last debates in October, they had 12 Democrats crammed on stage.

It was so tight, people, people, But then Spirit Airlines was like, hey, that's our thing. So this time, the Democrats scaled it back down to an even 10. And the candidates were joined by four moderators, who for the first time this campaign season were all women, which personally, I didn't even notice. Yeah, it's amazing, but I didn't even notice because I don't see color. Now, the major change, the major change from the last debate, is the rise of Pete Budajesh, mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and the only adult Michael Jackson would be into.

Over the past few weeks, he has surged from the middle of the pack to take the lead in Iowa and New Hampshire. So now, between Budaje, Biden, Warren, and Bernie, this has become a four-way race. And if you include Corey Booker, it's still a four-way race. So, with Buda-Jege's riding and rising the polls, tonight, the moderators asked him something a lot of people are wondering. Why should a teenage mayor from South Bend, Indiana become president of the United States? Mayor Buddeged, let's talk about your record as a candidate. Why should Democrats take the risk of betting on you?

In order to defeat this president, we need somebody who can go toe to who actually comes from the kinds of communities that he's been appealing to. I don't talk a big game about helping the working class while helicoptering between golf courses with my name on him. I don't even golf. As a matter of fact, I never thought I'd be on a Forbes magazine list, but they did one of all the candidates by wealth and I am literally the least wealthy person on this stage.

Yeah, Pete Budauges may be the poorest person on this stage. Yeah, Pete Budajjeejjjjj, maybe the poorest person on that stage, but Bernie was like, yes, but I look the poorest, and that should count for something. You know, it's actually funny how running for president is the only time people brag about how much money they don't have. It's like they're all bizarre rappers, you know? Started from the bottom, never left. Started from the bottom, and my whole team is in the exact same place because there's been no upward mobility for the last 30, 40 years in this country. And I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie.

A lot of tonight's debate sounded exactly like what we've heard in the previous fall. You know, Medicare for all v. versus a public option, pragmatism versus revolution, Joe Biden versus his own mouth. But one new thing we did see tonight was some brand new beefs, like Elizabeth Warren versus Corey Booker on the wealth tax. You know, I have proposed a two-cent wealth tax. That is a tax for everybody who has more than $50 billion in asset. Your first billion is free and clear. But your $0.50

and first dollar, you've got to pitch in $2.2. I don't agree with the wealth tax, the way that Elizabeth Warren puts it. The top, $0.10th of 1% that I want to say pay $2.0.00, their tax, the way we're putting it forward,, it's been tried by other nations. Two cent wealth tax and we can invest in an entire generation's future. We Democrats also have to talk about how to grow wealth as well. When I stood in church recently and asked folks in a black church, how many people here want to be entrepreneurs, half the church raised their hands. Yeah, and one guy in the back was like, nigga, what's an entrepreneur? It's French for a businessman. Well, I don't want to be a French businessman. I want to be an American businessman. It's got a whole lot more genus qu'a.

So that was Warren and Booker arguing about well tax. Then there was a beef that really came out of nowhere. Camila Harris versus Telsi Gabbard. We have someone on the stage who is attempting to be the Democratic nominee for President the United States, who during the Obama administration spent four years full-time on Fox News criticizing President Obama, butied up to Steve Bannon to get a meeting with Donald Trump in the Trump Tower. What Senator Harris is doing is unfortunately continuing to traffic in lies and smears and innuendos because she cannot challenge the substance of the argument that I'm making.

People, please, stop fighting. It's not worth it. Neither of you are going to be president. What are you doing? That was the most intense argument I've seen in Atlanta that didn't involve Nene. That was really intense. I also love how they're doing it with smiles in their faces. Oh, well, the thing about you is someone to break your face.

But please, but please, don't get me wrong. Tonight wasn't all about beefs, right? In fact, there was one moment between the candidates that was actually kind of sweet. First, I just want to stick up for Tom. We have a broken campaign finance system, but Tom's been spending his own money fighting climate change. You can't knock someone for having money and spending it in the right way, my opinion. Thanks, Andrew Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, no problem. Oh, Yang, thanks,1,000 and a compliment. I love it.

Like, Andrew Yang is so nice. I bet he would have the best concession speech ever. He'd be like, I may not have won the presidency, but I want something more important, a friend. Thank you. Now, just like in previous debates, one of the most awkward moments of the night, came courtesy of the original GAF Machine when he was talking about domestic violence, Joe Biden. No man has a right to raise a hand to a woman in anger other than in self-defense and

that's rarely ever occurs. And so we have to just change the culture, period, and keep punching at it and punching at it and punching it. There will be a big... No, I really mean it. It's a gigantic issue. What are you doing? What are you doing, Joe?

The only way he can recover from that is if he just starts making bad word choices his thing, you know? He just needs to like dig deeper. He just be like, we need to get right to the heart of the drug epidemic. I'm saying get deep in the veins of the drug problem and when we do it, it's going to feel so good. So the candidates once again spent two hours tonight trying to show voters what separated them from the other people on the stage......... to. to. to. to. to. th. th. th. th. to, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the thi. thi. their, their, thi. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, theean, theanananananananananananananlipe. And, toge, their their their their their their, their, their, the tonight trying to show voters what separated them from the other people on the stage. But when it came to Trump, they were all trying to show that they were the same. We have a president who is not only a pathological liar. He is likely the most corrupt president in the modern history of America. Read the Mueller report. All 442 pages of it that showed how the president tried to obstruct

justice sucking up to Vladimir Putin every minute of the day. The president had to confess, in writing, in court, to illegally diverting charitable contributions that were supposed to go to veterans. First of all, we have a criminal living in the White House. A criminal in the White House, someone needs to tell Donald Trump. I bet he was watching this at home thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. this at this at thi. thi. thi. Hea. Hea, thi. Hea, thi. Hea, thi. I thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm, to be the the the their, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the. the the the the the the the the the the th. the. the the. the. the. the. too. th. th. A criminal in the White House, someone needs to tell Donald Trump. I bet he was watching this at home terrified like, oh no, a criminal? I hope he doesn't steal all this stuff I already stole. But look, it was no surprise that at a democratic debate they were talking impeachment tonight.

Because you see, the biggest political story today was a blockbuster hearing in Congress, where we heard testimony from Gordon Sondland, Trump's ambassador to the EU, and Homer Simpson's body double. He's the first witness to testify, who spoke directly to President Trump about what he wanted from Ukraine. And today, he admitted, he admitted, that yes, Trump Trump, truuuuuuuuu, tru, tru, tru, tru, tru, tru, th, th, th, th, th, thu, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, to, to, to, to, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, the to, the the, the the the, the the the th, thi, thi, to, thi, to, to, to, the, to, theeee. thea, thea, thea, thea, too, thea, too, the the the the the to,. And today, he admitted, he admitted, that yes, Trump demanded a quid pro quo. Specifically, if Ukraine's president got dirt on Joe Biden, Trump would have a meeting with Zelensky in the White House,

which shows you how bad Trump wanted dirt on Joe Biden. Because usually Trump will do anything to get out of a meeting. Yeah, one time he even called in a bomb threat. It was like, hello White House, this is Mr. Al-Qaeda. I'm calling in a bomb threat between 3 and 4 p.m. in the conference room, but keep the donuts there, I'll eat them later. And here's the thing. Here's the thing. Not only did Sunland testify that Trump ordered a quid pro quo. He testified that basically that everyone everyone everyone everyone everyone everyone everyone everyone that everyone that everyone that everyone that he testified that basically everyone in the administration knew about it. Everyone, seriously. He threw everybody under the bus, Mike Pompeo, Mike Pence, Mick Mulvaney, John Bolton's mustache, mustache, mustache.

But there's one man in particular that Sonland put at the center of the whole scandal, Rudy Giuliani. Secretary Perry, Ambassador Volker, and I worked with Mr. Rudy Giuliani on Ukraine matters at the express direction of the President of the United States. We did not want to work with Mr. Giuliani. We worked with Mr. Giuliani because the president directed us to do so. President Trump directed us to quote talk with Rudy. Let me say again, we weren't happy with the president's directive to talk with Rudy. We did not want to involve Mr. Giuliani. Oh god damn, nobody

wanted to work with Rudy Giuliani. You know, Sunlin was talking about Rudy. Like, he was like that weird kid that your mom made you play with, remember that kid? Yeah, and then that kid will always get you in trouble. And you'd be like, mom, I didn't want to play with Rudy Giuliani. the first place. You said I have to. Then he wanted a microwave a dead pigeon. Like, I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when Rudy Giuliani watched that testimony.

Although, if there was a fly on Rudy's wall, I'm pretty sure he'd eat it, so maybe not exactly, but, but you know what I mean? So today's hearing was very bad for President Trump, so much so that he came out of the White House, before the hearing was even over to defend himself. And I gotta say, he seemed a little little toeeaaaaa, hea, hea, hea, hea, hea, he's to say, he's to say, he's to say, he's to bea, he's to bea, he's to bea, he's to bea, he's to bea, to bea, to be to be to be to bea, told, to be to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to bea, to bea, to bea, to bea, to bea, to bea, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told. told. told. told. told. told. told. told. told. told. told. told told told to me to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to too, to himself. And I gotta say, he seemed a little shook. Just a quick comment on what's going on in terms of testimony with Ambassador Sondland. And I just noticed one thing, and I would say, that means it's all over.

What do you want from Ukraine? He asks me, screaming, what do you want from Ukraine? What do you want from Ukraine. He asks me, screaming, what do you want from Ukraine? What do you want from Ukraine? I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories. What do you want? And now, here's my response that he gave. Just gays. Ready? You have the cameras rolling? I want nothing. That's what I want from Ukraine. That's what I want to rolling. I want nothing. That's what I want from Ukraine. That's what I say. I want nothing.

What is Trump doing? That was one of the least presidential things I've ever seen. He just looked like that crazy dude in the neighborhood who's yelling at everybody on his front lot. If I find out who's been taking my newspaper, I swear to God. Like Trump is the only president to bring down the property value around the White House. You can see, even the white people next door came out to see what the commotion was all about. You can see in their faces like, oh my God, Donald is out there again. I don't know. I miss that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th the the the the the the the the the their faces like, oh my God, Donald is out there again. Like, I don't know.

I miss that lovely black family who used to live here. This guy is a problem. He's a problem. And you realize the worst part is that Trump was reading all of that from notes. Like, that wasn't Trump freestanding, that was Trump prepared. Now look, I'm no trained lawyer. I'm no trained lawyer. But I feel like innocent people don't need notes to remind themselves that they're innocent.

Like, you never see defendants in a courtroom like, can I just say, Your Honor, I did not murder my wife? So look, this didn't make Trump look good or innocent. In fact, he said the same lines so many times in so many different ways. It almost felt like he wasn't being presidential. It felt like Trump was auditioning to play the character president who is innocent. Ready? You have the cameras rolling? What do you want from Ukraine?

What do you want from Ukraine? What do you want from Ukraine? I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories. What do you want? What do you want? What do you want? What do you want? What do you want? I want nothing? I want nothing? I want nothing. I want nothing. I want nothing. I want nothing. I want nothing. I want nothing. I want nothing. Thank you folks. I want no quit pro quo. I want nothing. I want nothing. Thank you folks.

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Welcome back to the daily show. My guest tonight is an MSNBC anchor host of the Latina to Latina podcast and author of the new book, The Likeability Trap. Please welcome, Alicia Menendez. Go back to the show. So this book I feel speaks perfectly to what we are subconsciously dealing with in every single debate. The Likeability Trap. How do you become likable as a candidate whilst at the same time still being yourself as a person? Why is that so difficult to achieve? It's difficult to achieve across the board because likeability is so wildly subjective,

but it's particularly challenging for women. If you're a woman who strives to lead, you are told one of two things. You're either told, you're too much too too too too too too too too too too either told you're too much, too assertive, too aggressive, too aggressive, you need to tone it down, or you're told you're not enough. You don't take up enough space, you don't take up enough oxygen, you don't have what it takes to lead. So women are told they can either they can you talk about women candidates, what makes that so complicated is that voters will vote for a man candidate,

even if they don't like him, so long as they think he's competent. For women candidates, they have to clear both hurdles. Voters have to like them, and they have to believe that they're competent. It's interesting, because in th in in in in let's say when Trump was running, they said, well, you know, I don't like him, but I think he can get the job done. And that was a common thread that went through the election. In the book, you say something that's really interesting. You talk about Hillary Clinton in particular, where you you talk about something that I didn't really pay attention to and that was when she was just doing it for the country.

She was Secretary of State. When she was Secretary of State, people liked her. Independence liked her, Republicans liked her, Democrats liked her. And then immediately when she ran, people perceived it as now she was doing it for herself and her likability dropped. Why do you think that is? Well, with men, we presume that it's in men's nature to want power and to grab for power. When women do that, it violates this expectation

we have of women that they are communal, that they'll act communal. I mean, there's an irony in that, right? Which is most women run for office because they want to do something that benefits their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their a power grab, right? Because it's their name at the top of a ticket, and so it's seen as this singular act. And so just the act of saying, I am a woman and I believe that I am worthy of power immediately makes a woman less likable. Chris Quinn, who'd run for the mayor of New York, said to me, the day you declare,

you have a negative. That's an th is th is th is a thine thine thine thine thine thine the day the day thine, the day the day thine, thi, thi, the day, thi, thi, the day, thi, thi, the day, the day, the day, the, the day, the day, the day, the day, the day, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th.. th. thin, the. the. the. the. thean, th. thean, the. thean, the. the. the. the. the. the. their,'s an interesting place to be in as a woman who is a candidate because you're in a race where people are looking at your likeability but then they're also looking at your track record, which as you've seen, you know, people spoke about on the debate tonight. Amy Clobyshire said, look, I think there is a double standard for how much you have to have achieved as here. When you look at the trap, how do you think people can escape the trap? How can a woman be likable if that is something that someone needs to strive towards but then still achieve or be the best or be the leader, etc.

You are doing such a good job of articulating this complicated this is, and women have been given two paths, right? We've either been told we can do this gender-correcting performance where we like sit in our chairs and are cautious about how we use our hands and how we use our voice or we can just let it go. We can just choose not to care about likeability. I don't think either of those paths work, right? Because if you do the the first one, then you put the responsibility of like ability back, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, and, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, the, the, and, the, the, and, the, the, the, and, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, the, is, is, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, the, to, the, the, they, they, like, they, like, the, like, the, the, the, the, the, the responsibility of likeability back on women. If you do the latter, you're not being honest about how important likeability really is. And what I think we need to do is push back on likeability as what it really is, a cover for bias, and say enough with it once and for all. All right. The powerful stand to make and you make a good case for it in the book.

A really fascinating look into the world of likeability. The likeability trap is available now. Alicia Menendez everybody. The Daily Show with Coverno Ears Edition. Watch the Daily Show weeknights at 11, 10 Central on Comedy Central and the Comedy Central app. Watch full episodes and videos at the daily show.com. Follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram and subscribe to the Daily Show on YouTube for exclusive content and more. This has been a Comedy Central podcast. John Stewart here. Unbelievably exciting news. My new podcast, The Weekly Show.

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