The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Pete Hegseth Purges Weirdos and Wimps & Trump Drops a New Hispanic Stereotype | John Wilson

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

Jordan Klepper gets into the headlines: Famously pro-Hispanic President Trump hosts a Hispanic Heritage Month event at the White House, and even invents a new stereotype to honor the occasion! Pete Hegseth purges the U.S. military's “beardos, weirdos, wimps, and radicals,” which has us wondering where that leaves… most of his fellow cabinet members. Plus, Josh Johnson comes to us live from the Pentagon with exciting updates from Hegseth’s star-studded team tasked with studying the future of warfare. In this installment of In My Opinion, Nick Offerman dives into Gen Z's technology problem, as young people are now spending over six hours a day on their phones and having less sex than previous generations. But Offerman is happy to report that they’ve found a simple, low-tech antidote to this technological albatross: hobbies! From pottery to birdwatching to collecting miniatures, Gen Z is leaning into the joy of hobbies as a respite from a tech world supercharged by AI. And as one of America's premier hobbyists, Offerman couldn't be prouder. John Wilson joins Jordan to discuss his new documentary, “The History of Concrete.” The creator of “How To with John Wilson” shares how he finds beauty in the mundane through his unique shooting and editing style, how he scored an uninterrupted shot of Kim Kardashian at a fancy dinner party, and what happens when you spend your entire film budget on a creepy wax museum in Rome. Jordan also pitches an idea for Wilson’s next documentary project. -- To get simple, online access to personalized, affordable care for ED, Hair Loss, Weight Loss, and more, visit https://Hims.com/dailyshow -- The Daily Show airs weeknights at 11/10c on Comedy Central. Stream full episodes on Paramount+ Follow TDS: YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Central, it's America's only source for news. This is the Daily Show with your host Jordan Clever. Pete Hankseth gives a testosterone TED Talk. Trump tries to book a quesniera at the ballroom, and opinions are like assholes. Nick Offerman has a beautiful one, and we'll be sharing it with us tonight. So, let's get into the headlines.

It's Hispanic Heritage Month, and if you didn't know, it actually goes from September 15th to October 15th. It's nice to see at least our calendar still allows Hispanics to cross a border. So, yesterday, Trump held an event at the White House to celebrate Hispanic Heritage Month, which he definitely did because he loves them so much

and not because he's losing their support right before the midterms. Either way, Trump had a special honor he was ready to bestow upon his amigos. We're going to do something a little special. We're going to open those doors and you'll be the first people of consequence. to ever step on the new ballroom floor.

Wow! They get to tour the unfinished, half-built ballroom sites! Don't fall for it, guys. He's obviously trying to trick you into finishing the construction. Lunch breaks from 130 to 140, guys. But look, this was a room full of Trump supporters, so I'm sure they were psyched to see the ballroom, and there's nothing Trump could do to dampen that extent.

dampen that excitement, even though he tried his best. You literally will be the first group ever to enter the premises. So be very careful. Don't fall over the edge, because it's a long way down. And only a Hispanic could survive that fall. I'm sorry, what? Is that a racial stereotype I'm not aware of? That Hispanics are good at surviving long fall?

Although, you know, for a man who started out labeling Hispanics as murderers and rapists, to end up at bouncy, that's... That's progress, okay? But let's move on, because terrible poll numbers with Hispanics isn't the only thing dragging Trump down. He also has terrible poll numbers with people who don't like losing wars. The good news for Trump is that he has Pete Higgseth, Secretary of Defense, and guy who takes paintball way too seriously. And yesterday, Higseth got up to... in front of the official flag of not compensating for anything

to lay out his plan to take our military to the next level. We are no longer the woke department or the weak department. Simple translation of that. No fatties, no trannies, no beardos, no weirdos, no wimps, no radicals.

Whoa. Worst Dr. Seuss book ever. I will say, this kind of The rhetoric is unacceptable from our defense secretary. Every American, no matter who they are or what they look like, should have the chance to fight a Middle Eastern country for no clear reason. That's the American way. Not to mention.

You know what? Not to mention, it probably would help if our military had at least a few beardoes and weirdos, right? What if Iran challenges us to Dungeons and Dragons? We need at least one druid in the party. But Hankseth really believes we need a more macho, aggressive military, because, as he's told us before, our enemies in Iran are uniquely evil. Obviously, we're fighting religious fanatics. Of course. Of course.

We are in a fight against religious fanaticism. And how are we going to defeat these religious fanatics? Our department is, you might say, putting on the full armor of God of the sixth chapter of the book of Isaiah. Lord, here I am. Send me. As the psalmist put it, the Lord is on my side. As Psalm 3312 extols us. Yes, yes, yes, we know.

Psalm 3312, no fatties, no trannies, no beirdos, no weirdos. Amen, we know. We've all read the Bible. We get it. But Pete Hanks said didn't get up in front of an enormous flag and pace around like he was coming down from a cocaine bender just to talk about how he was. wanted his soldiers to be hotter and more religious.

He also was launching a new high-tech initiative for the next generation. I'm announcing Project Meridian, an effort led by America's best minds to study the future of warfare. Okay. That's certainly not the worst idea he's ever had. I mean, for one thing, it's the first idea

that doesn't have slurs in it, so we're already ahead of the curve. As long as these things, These best minds studying the future of war really are the best minds America has. I mean, they are the best minds, right? Project Meridian will be co-led by three of our nation's best minds. Elon Musk, Homer Lucky, and Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich?

Your list of America's top minds includes Newt Fri-Gingrich? He's not even America's top minds. Newt! What future war is Newt Gingrich going to help us with? We better hope it involves preventing Bill Clinton from acquire nuclear BJs. Okay, so that's one-third of our brain trust, and Elon Musk, we already know, excellent choice. But who's this Palmer Lucky? Palmer Lucky isn't your typical defense industry executive. Wait, wait, wait, wait, stop.

What happened to no bearded? The first rule, Psalm 3312. He must have been like, oh, this? Oh, that's not a beard. My pubes just escaped out of the top of my shirts, you know? Seriously, who is this guy? His daily uniform, flip-flops in a Hawaiian shirt, is more suited for Margaritaville than the military.

I've always said that we need to transition from being the world police to being the world gun store. Wow. I'm sorry, this human vape pen is a military consultant. I didn't expect to see this guy working with the military. I expect to see him as the youngest person at a Jimmy Buffett concert or the oldest person at a Wiggles concert. Now, if you're wondering,

how did GameStop Gaddafi even get his start? Well, he actually invented the Oculus VR. headset when he was only 19. And that's him. This guy invented VR goggles when he was only a teenager, despite being totally busy with like tons of parties he was invited to. So frankly, I don't have much faith in this smash mouth cover

band bringing the military into the future. But here's how bad things have gotten. I'm looking at these three, and I'm thinking, thank God Elon Musk is there to be. be the adult in the world. For more on Pete Hanks' New Vision for the Military, we go live outside the Pentagon with Josh Johnson.

Isn't this Project Meridian just embarrassing? I totally agree with you, Jordan. Sike! Learn that one from Palmer Lucky. He's so cool. So you like Project Meridian? Hell yeah. Project Meridian is going to win the wars of the future. Wars were not even in yet. Wars that don't make sense.

When we're attacked by the Robo-Russians and the North Korea bots in 2062, are you going to grab your ankles and tell them they can do whatever they want? Uh, uh, no, of course not. Damn right, you're not, because up in the sky, here comes Project Meridian, drone blasters, jetbacked soldiers, Newt Gingrich with a bionic eye. Future war won. Nunchucks. Okay.

Careful, careful, Josh, Josh, why is Pete Hanks at planning the wars of the future when he hasn't any even won the war with Iran. We're in right now. Because he can't win the Iran War, Jordan. He doesn't know what he's doing. The Aitola's bombing our bases and doing the cha-cha slide on the ruins. We just got to reset and focus on the next war.

No one's going to touch us in 2130 when we got Mecca Newt Gingrich. Walking on the battlefield like, bea-b-b-o-b-b-l. Laser penis. Beo! Lazy-up. Bue.

Josh. No, Josh. Okay. The visual. Josh, Mecca, Newt Gingrich is not a solution to our problems. It's an escapist fantasy.

You want to make Pete cry, Jordan. Is that what you want to do? Stop focusing on the present. The present's already the past. Pete's focused on the future. No, but the future becomes the present, which we are losing. And that present just became the past,

so why don't you shut the fuck up? It's like you don't even know how time works. Josh, this is getting us nowhere. What Pete Hakeseth should be focused on is the difficult, boring, logistical work of outmaneuvering the enemies we face on the battlefield today. Wow. I mean, when you put it like that, Jordan, I completely agree with you. Psych. Paul Murluckie's the man. Nunchucks! In Toronto, every arrival is a statement, and nothing says it better than this. Cadillac Optic was the number one selling luxury EV in Canada for 2025.

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is our good friend, Nick Offerman. Hello, I am actor, an 18th century whale boat captain, Nick Offerman. Tonight, I would like to talk to the young adults out there. Now, first, congratulations on your glowing skin and normal-sized prostates. But unfortunately, your life isn't all rosy cheeks and powerful streams. Through no fault of your own, technology has been wreaking havoc on your lives, and it's beginning to take a serious toll.

A common curse in America these days, the loneliness epidemic. People aged between 16 and 30 are especially affected by a sense of loneliness. Gen Z appears to be having less sex than previous generations. 29% between the ages of 18 and 29 say they had zero sexual partners in the last three months. Jen Z spends six hours, 27 minutes a day on their phone. Good Lord. Six and a half hours? As far as I'm concerned, there are only a few acceptable reasons to be on your phone at all.

One, to review artisanal meat smoking techniques. Two, end of list. That's right. You do the math. Now, regarding sex, the clock is ticking, kids. 18 to 29 is prime horniness. Once you hit 30, a lot of the more exotic positions go right out the window. Now, I'm not saying at 56 that I can't pull off a double-fisted Mongolian butter churn,

but let's just say it's been a long time since I won a trophy for it. However, there is some good news. Despite the technological albatross warning Gen Z's ability to get her done, They have found a surprisingly simple low-tech antidote. Despite all the technology at their fingertips, people in their 20s are choosing more hands-on hobbies. Old-school activities like knitting, quilting, and crochet. Gardening, pottery, plant swap, and terrarium workshops. Needlepoint and bird watching.

You goddamn right. Gen Z is discovering the joy of hobbies. Things like pottery, needlepoint, and and bird watching. Or my personal favorite, reverse bird watching. That's where you make the birds watch you. Enjoy the show, Mr. Sparrow. Drink it in.

You're not the only one who likes having pre-chewed food sped into his mouth. Now, the point is, there are a lot of magnificent hobbies out there, and the only limit to what you pursue is your own imagination. Minatures and dolehouses are making a comeback as Gen Z. looks for ways to get off their screens. They're finding the excitement of being able to create a little world in which they can escape. You might not be ready to spend more than $3,000 on a dollhouse,

but you could get even a miniature roll of toilet paper for just $4. You see? That's what I'm talking about. Even collecting tiny toilet paper for your doll's pinhole-sized anus is in front of fact a hobby. But miniatures aren't just a hobby for collectors. They're for anyone who's dreamed of role-playing as a mythical giant, looming over

I don't know, a tiny kingdom of pathetic hand-carved mortals. Neal. Neal before your God, collectible peons. For tis I who bought you off Facebook Marketplace and tisai who can return you to that fiery hell.

Which brings me Which brings me to another point. In a world lousy with tech addiction, hobbies are a healthy obsession. And that is not just my opinion. That is science. According to the National Institutes of Health, hobbies can contribute to personal growth, reduce stress, and foster social connections, as well as help mitigate anxiety and depression. In other words, hobbies are good for us.

They're like vegetables if vegetables didn't fucking suck. Not you, potatoes, you're totally cool. Okay, now I'm sure you're thinking, Nick, we get it. People should have more hobbies. What a hot take. Who made you the mayor of Hobby Town? Well, if you must know, it was how anyone gets elected mayor. I used a super pack to prey on the fears of the elderly.

Anywho, you may or may not know this about me, but I am one of America's premier. hobbyists. Writing? Check. Hiking. Check. Ventriloquism. Uh, no thank you. I am not a pervert. But perhaps the hobby I'm most known for is woodworking. It has enriched my life in countless ways. I've gotten to master a skill, open my own woodshop, and work with incredible kids and artisans. Also, not to crank my own hand drill, but it has landed me on the covers of American craft, fine woodworking, and giant wood magazine. Okay, that last one wasn't actually a woodworking magazine, but it might be the one my dad

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A filmmaker whose new documentary is called The History of Concrete. Please welcome John Wilson. I totally forgot there was an audience here. What were you expecting? I don't know. It's like a black box situation. We're going to get into it. No offense, yeah.

Yeah, are you calibrating right now like, oh, no, now I got to play out to it. I got to come with some jokes. I need to make these people love me. Yeah. Don't worry. They're going to love you. Yeah, okay. Well, okay.

History of Concrete. Why concrete? I'll bite. Oh, why not? You know, I think it's funny, it's funny stuff. It's a bedrock of humor that is there, right? Yeah, I think, yeah, I was dodging puns the whole time, I think. I can see in there, even talking about this movie with friends,

like you can't help but constantly make concrete jokes all in. I know. Did you have internally a number of concrete puns you could make in the film? Yeah, and I think the one that I landed on was rockumentary. I think that became the most enduring pun that I decided to keep in. And I think it ended up doing kind of interesting things in the film because the film was in serious trouble at one point

of being uninteresting. Yeah. It's not funny. Were you aware of that moment? I mean, what is it making about your work and what you do is you're very articulate about the process that you're going through. Yes. I leave very little to the imagination.

Where is the fear of like, oh, shit, this is uninteresting? You know, after a year of filming cracked sidewalk, I think, you kind of, you kind of, you know, what's that definition of insanity kind of line? You know, I was like, I need to change something because this isn't, looking down isn't getting me anywhere. I need to kind of get back to eye level. Yeah. From even a directional standpoint, you were making mistakes.

Yeah, I was making mistakes. I know. I should be doing things. Yeah, I'm not surprised that, you know, it was a little hard to finance at first. Well, you talk, in the film, you go to Rome, and you spend your entire budget in Rome? Yes. And to be clear, that makes up about 30 seconds of the film, if I recall.

It didn't even look like you went into the Coliseum. It didn't seem like there was much to spend it on. I went to a nice wax museum, though. You did go to a wax museum? I talked to some police officers, and I went to a wax museum. That was the main activities. But, yeah, there was a nice wax figure of Anthony Hopkins. Yeah.

Is that sort of your vision? When you were like, when I dreamed of making a feature-like film, I hope I would capture something just like this. Yeah, I was like, you know, I may have something, no. I don't know. But, you know, they had these, you could, there's a QR code next to the wax figures, and you could scan it. And it would give you a video of, like, an AI mouth speaking through this wax sculpture,

which was, it was very creepy. Yeah. But it didn't seem to be something that anyone else was interacting with at the wax museum. Yes. And it seemed like kind of an afterthought. But yeah, on their website, you can just download all the videos that they have of those wax sculptures. And I just used them in my movie. movie.

Is there a fear when you're seeing people not interact with something in your mind? Are you thinking, oh, this is not at all interesting. I shouldn't film this? Or is that like, I need to run towards the fire? If the room is empty, I know I'm in the right place. That's part of why you were so freaked out when you walked out here, right? Well, you have to, I mean, if people aren't familiar with your work, how-to with John Wilson, a fantastic show.

It was just named one of the top 100 films. of this century, correct? Shows. Shows. Shows of this century. Yeah. It's been a short century so far. It's been short, yeah.

Right. Was there anybody ahead of you? They were like, screw that show. Mad men, really? Cigarettes? Yeah. People smoking looking cool? I know.

You know what? You know, mad men, I like that show. You're right. I shouldn't bait you into Don, no, no. Yeah, you're asking me to talk shit about my other 99 brothers. Yeah, I was gonna say it. You're on a text chain now, I'm sure.

Yeah. Well, part of the fun of, I think, watching your work is that you start out with a premise, and then we follow you tangentially to see kind of the world around you. I would say what I love about watching your stuff is that there's the serendipity that you experience in New York of what you stumble on and the people you meet is a beautiful thing and feels very resonant about people who live in New York or people just experience kind of life in that way. What I would be curious is, is like, you seem to go. out into the world with a camera in hand looking to find something beautiful.

Sure. I'm curious what happens when you don't go with your camera and you see those beautiful things. Have you unlocked a way to see the world that is helpful, or are you just furious that you're missing something you could put into a piece of work? I mean, it's a bit of a curse at times and a bit of a sickness, I think. When you try to train your brain to look at everything a certain way, it's like, you know, I was only thinking about scaffolding for a long time, you know, when I made this.

So I don't know it's so funny again. We all go through that phase. Don't act like you haven't been there. Yeah, we've all had, yeah. We've all had scaffolding fetish dreams. Yeah, tied up. Yeah, I know. But anyway, the, but, you know,

that becomes the way you see the world for a while, but then you kind of give yourself a new objective and that kind of washes. out the old stuff. But that doesn't stop people from continuing to send you stuff for years and years after that. I'm sure.

But yeah, and then you just talk to people on the street, and I don't know. I try to treat every person like they're, you know, a celebrity and a celebrity like they're a person, I don't know, just like kind of treat everyone on the street

like they're, you know, Michael Douglas or something. Yeah. I'm curious, do you have trouble getting people to talk to you on the street? Are people Are people open to you when you're walking around with the camera? Do they want to be interviewed? It depends. I was...

I was... Yesterday, I was in Midtown, and I was just going up to different people that weren't wearing ties. I was trying to find someone with a tie, and I found it was hard to find someone wearing a tie. So I was trying to ask people why they weren't wearing ties, but people not wearing ties are usually in a rush.

And they didn't want to talk. Was that... Is that when you walked out... When you walked out of your apartment that morning... What morning? Yesterday morning. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Was that your intention where you were like,

I got to go film some people with ties? Or was... You know, this is what's going to happen when AI takes over. Everyone's just going to be on the street trying to fill their time with stuff like this. And you're telling me with ideas like this, you had trouble financing this film, huh? Yeah, I know.

No, this is the thing. That's the thing. You know, whatever. You capture, here's a moment I love it here too, is because you captured a moment you were at what looked like a very fancy private dinner for GQ. The food wasn't very good. Was that very good? But people are toasting Kim Kardashian,

who you're sitting like across from. Yeah, I don't know why. Well, is that like, I think Dwayne Wade was next to her? Yeah. You're filming. I'm wondering, are they noticing you filming at this moment? Are you like a pariah in this moment? Are they, what do they think of you?

I mean, I'm filming, I mean, I'm like this far away, and I'm like, you're right there. But it feels like a private moment, and everybody's celebrating Kim Kardashian, and there's John Wilson sort of like, oh, I might use this. Yeah, I don't know. I never know what anything's gonna be for,

but I knew it was a rare environment that no one else was... I mean, there are other people, from GQ, I think, covering it, but I haven't seen any of that material. And I just, I don't know. I just had never seen an uninterrupted shot of Kim Kardashian before. And I just, I had to have it.

Yeah. I got it. Does she have to sign a release after that? I mean, I think, you know, she's a public figure. Right. I mean, anyone in public is a public figure. is how I... Is that how it works?

I feel like we... I don't know. You know, we... Yeah, we don't got to talk about that. All right, here's another thing I want to talk about. I'm curious, you collect all this footage, and then you sit with an editor, multiple editors. Do editors love working with you? Do they hate you?

What are you setting me up for? I just want to... I can see you are... You have a singular voice. You capture the world around you in voluminous amounts. amounts. Sure. And then I'm sure you sit with an editor and be like, hey, we need to make something of this. And I'm wondering if those people are secretly, if they secretly despise you. I mean, I may never know, but I don't know. I work very closely with my editors. You know,

my editor, Corey and Sasha Stanton, most recently. They are amazingly talented and they find stuff that's funny in the material that I may not realize is funny, just as, like, the person recording it. And there's a lot of awkward moments and pauses. They know how to play up. And, um, I don't know. I think it's, I can be a bit of a, like, what they call, like a frame, like, a frame sometimes where, because I, I, um, sorry, I, what is, uh.

Industry jargon. They got to get used to it, right? Don't worry about that. Don't worry about that. Where I'm like, you know, because I, I, I worked as an editor for, most of my life. And so I'm like, and it feels like I enter a bit of a flow state when I'm cutting stuff. So I will like audition a bunch of stuff and then I'll give it to the editor. They'll put their twists on it. But then I'm also recording the narration. So it has to be like

down, like, you know, down to the frame like where the joke hits sometimes. So it's, it is like a shot by shot calculation. But it is super fun at the same time because, you know, I like to do stuff that I wasn't allowed to do at work. You know? So, like, if, you know, if someone tells me, like, oh, you can't use that shot of that guy because there's a big tree coming out of his head in the, you know, the way you frame it in the shot,

that's kind of what I want to use. I want to, like, you know, even, I don't know, you stuff, you can't do here, you know. Yeah, stuff like that. Yeah, the detritus becomes the beautiful thing that you highlight. Yeah, just because, Yeah, it just feels like yours, you know.

Yeah. And then, you know, that's nice. You have such a unique style. I went to see David Byrne performed here at Forest Hills last weekend. We're watching. I was there with my wife, and there's video happening behind David Byrne. And my wife's like, oh, this looks like a John Wilson video. And then I see your name at the end.

It's like, oh, this is John Wilson. Yeah, yeah. How is working with David Byrne on a project like that? He's great. We've collaborated a few times at this point. I made a tour documentary about him in like 2015, and then I did a couple of other small things with him. But yeah, this was just kind of a music video with clips harvested from how to that was put to this song that he did. And yeah, everyone's been texting me and everyone seems to like really love it.

But I actually saw him a couple nights ago, and he apologized for not having seen the concrete movie yet. Were you filming him while you were talking to him? Yeah. You are? You were, right? Yeah. I gotcha, yeah. That's kind of my thing, Jordan.

What's what you're talking about? Again, I mentioned what you mention what you capture in New York feels so New York? New York is a strange, beautiful, challenging place to live. And I think, like, it's often like, it's often, best summed up in the weird characters. The other day, literally, I saw a man in front of my home on a city bike balancing a tire on his head as he went down the streets.

Right? And it was like a beautiful, strange thing because he had to move this tire a long distance and he's on a city bike. He had to. I assume that I start telling the story that he needed to do this thing. He used a city bike and then, or he's just showing off and flexing.

Yeah, yeah. But you were able to find so many of those. I wonder as somebody who has captured and seen New York for quite some time, like what's sort of on your Mount Rushmore of New York moments that you've captured? Oh, I mean, oh, there was a bit of a scary, I mean, a lot of the great moments in the show, uh, a lot of my favorite moments were captured by the second unit team just because we had like four or five different teams at a time going out during the day and just like capturing whatever, just like throw a dart at the map. And, um, I don't know, there's one like dog on a, like, dog on a really high up ledge that was, like, caught up there. And it was really tense, and the whole crowd outside was really worried about it. And it was, like, a big public scene. But then the dog got back inside.

That was, yeah, I think Brittany shot that. But the... But I don't know why that comes to mind. There's a lot of good stuff in the concrete movie, too, that I don't want to spoil either. You're pitching this thing. I was like, is he going to talk about your favorite moment being when a dog died? No, no, no, no, no, the dog lived. The dog lived.

There's tension there. Yes, tension, yes. I mean, that's the thing. You can show a dog doing anything, and that will give you all the emotion you need for, like, if you say something over it, you know. If you show a dog in the rain, it automatically makes people sad. You know.

Well, before I like you, I will say that is true. Like, we are joking, but this documentary, it goes to such beautiful, strange places, but also doesn't let go at the outside. idea of, like, concrete being this ubiquitous substance that we are constantly surrounded by and sort of humans need to feel comfort by reliving things over and over again and these things around us. Like, like, earnestly, after living in this and making this film, what is your relationship like with concrete? How do you see it different? Wow. I think, I'm so glad you

asked. I mean, I'm trying to work on something new right now, so I kind of forget about it. But I also, I don't know. I feel like concrete is, yeah, it is everywhere, and it's kind of, it's like cyclically, you know, like renewed for sidewalks and everything. And I don't know. I think there's an existential kind of terror there about the fact that we're running out of a lot of the materials we need to make it, and we may not be able to make it for like another century. I guess. as we know, as we do it now. So, I don't know.

I mean, you were saying backstage, I mean, brick is cool, I think. Yeah, I was telling, brick is cool, man. Yeah, don't, I think it, brick is cool. My dad was a brick salesman, and we were talking backstage. Everybody's like, what happens backstage at a TV show, and I'm like, there's cool shit going on backstage. I'm talking about brick, you're talking about concrete.

Like, we get into some stuff. Let me tell you, some real Hollywood stuff, but that my dad sold brick for a very long time and understanding like the brick industry and the artisans who create something like this, this piece that is both a work of art and that is functional, and also it is an industry

that has seen the erosion of big tech and big companies as well. Like you have such an American story in the materials that we use. I heard people giggling, and fuck you guys. I now feel you, John. I feel you. No, no.

You reveal like what you care about with you. that we see. But this is who we are, all right? We are the stones that we build upon. We are the ground that we stand upon. These are the things that lift us up. Here we go beneath them when we die.

Like, why shouldn't we not expose these things, investigate these things, live in these things? Am I right? Yes. Yes, it is. Exactly, yes. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, it's all a political decision in one way or another. You know, I think what we use.

And I think brick is cool. I just, I don't know. Yeah. You don't have to make it the focus of your next piece. But let me tell you, it's there if you're interested, you know. All right, thank you. I'll, yeah, I'll let you know. John, it's a great film.

It's a unique film. I laughed. I cried. I tried to wedge my brick side into the conversation. but I'm glad you're here. Yeah, yeah. The history of concrete is in theater trial. Take a quick break, we're going to be right back after that.

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