The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Red, White and Broken - Religious Exemptions for Vaccines | Tristan Harris

Episode Date: October 6, 2021

Americans claim religious exemptions for vaccine mandates, Michael Kosta chats with a clitoris expert, and Tristan Harris talks about Facebook's toxic effects on society. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the Daily Show, Ears Edition. Tonight, religion gets a pass. The Hunt for the Clarice. And Tristan Harris. This is the Daily Show with Trevor Noah. Hey, what's going on everybody? Welcome to the Daily Show. I'm Trevor Noah. Let's jump straight into today's headlines.

So we kick things off with the magic of movies. Filmmakers can put all sorts of fantastical things on screen. From a billionaire who helps people to life in outer space. But now, filming science fiction movies is getting a little more grounded in science. We're following the latest developments as history is made with the first movie ever shot in space. Overnight, a Russian actress and a movie producer launched into space to shoot a movie on the International Space Station.

They're accompanied by a cosmonaut. They're going to spend 10 days in zero gravity. The movie's about a doctor who goes to space to save the life of a cosmonaut on the international space station. Wow! First movie to shoot in space! I mean, either those guys are super dedicated filmmakers, or they just really wanted to escape Russia. Yes, space is cold and dark, but not as cold and dark, am I right, comrade? Because, I mean, it's a cool idea and all, but is it really worth all the effort when you can just fake it? I mean, especially considering how dangerous space flight is.

I mean, your lead actor could literally get sucked out into space and then burn up in the sun? And then what? Now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now you th you th th th th th th th th th th th th th. Now th. Now that the the the that th. th. th th th their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their the. the. thea. thea. thea' thea' thea' thea' thea' thea' thea' thea' thea. their space and then burn up in the sun. And then what? Now you've got to write a whole new ending. And obviously one of the biggest drawbacks about filming in space is that the movie has to be about space. You can't just film a regular romcom and then not explain why the leads keep floating away from each other. Moving on to sports news. From Michael Vic to Ben Rufflesberger, American football stars have long been the gold

standard for moral behavior. But now an NFL coach is in trouble for straying from that upright path. This morning, Jacksonville Jaguar's football coach, Urban Meyer, is apologizing. After video surfaced of him partying and dancing provocatively with a woman who is not his wife. Meyer, in his first year coaching in the NFL, has come up empty so far this season, with his Jags' winless after four games. The video surfacing just hours after Thursday nights to the Bengals. Did you fly back with the team or did you stay in, um,

I stayed to see the grandkids and we all went to dinner that night at a restaurant and then there's a big group next to our restaurant and they wanted me to come over and take pictures and I did. They're trying to pull me out on a dance force screwing around and I should have left. Some critics now claiming Meyer is unfit to coach. He acknowledged he's concerned the partying incident may affect his ability to lead. Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on this saying that this affects his ability to lead? Because he rubbed up against a butt? This is a sport where every single place starts with someone rubbing up

against a butt. Seriously, whether or not not this is like a moral failing in his personal life. I'm not really sure how it affects his ability to coach a football team. All right, team, I drew up our next play and now I know it looks like a butt, but that's only because I can't stop thinking about touching butts. You know what doesn't make sense to me is how he dragged his grandkids into this thing? Like what was that about? If you're in a scandal, the one thing that won't help you is to tell people that your grandkids were watching the whole time. I don't think that's the correct move. And let's be honest, let's be really honest here. The reason that he's getting so much

shit right now is because his team is oh and four. If this guy was undefeated he. Look, you build up an appetite when you're winning games. Who are we to question the process? All right, that's all the time we got for the headlines. Let's jump straight into our main story. Every day, more and more companies are announcing a vaccine mandate for their employees. And if you work at one of those companies and you don't want to comply, there are a couple of options for you. You can find a new job. You can hide in the office bathroom until 2027, or you can follow the hot new trend claiming a religious exemption.

A growing number of people are claiming religious reasons to dodge COVID vaccine mandates. In Washington, thousands of state workers are doing it. 419 DC fire and EMS employees are asking for a religious exemption. That's about one out of five of the department's employees. One of the largest districts in the country, Montgomery County, their public school is now facing a lawsuit for not having a religious exemption. This morning, at least seven United Airlines employees filing filing lawsuits against the airline over its vaccine policy, saying their religious exemptions were denied.

The NBA denied the request of Golden State Warrior. Andrew Wiggins to be exempt from vaccine requirements. The 266-year-old based the request on a religious exemption. As a COVID-19 vaccine mandate deadline for City of Los Angeles employees looms, 2,600 LAPD officers said they will seek religious exemptions to refuse the vaccine. That's right. 2,600 LA police officers are trying to get a religious exemption to avoid getting the shot.

Now black people heard this and they were like, A, can we get an exemption too? We also have a deep belief in not getting shot. But this is where we are right now. Countless people across America who have already been vaccinated. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. their. to. to. their, th. th. th. to. th. to, th. to, to, th. to, to, thi, thi, thi, thi, thoes, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. the, the, the, the, thea. thean thean toean thean thean threatea. threatea. thooooooooooooomoomea, thoes, tho where we are at right now. Countless people across America who have already been vaccinated, by the way, for a million other diseases are now professing a very, let's say, convenient religious belief against taking the COVID vaccine. And you might be seeing this and thinking, damn, religious exemptions seem like a really bad idea, and maybe, maybe it's turned into that now, but it wasn't always this way. In fact, we'll look at how a good idea went so wrong in our brand new segment, red, white, and broken. For most of human history, religious freedom was not a thing.

Most governments had a state religion, and if you didn't believe in it, you either prayed very quietly, or you burned at the stake very loudly. But America's founders didn't want a country torn apart by religious conflict, so when they wrote the Constitution, they guaranteed freedom of religion in the First Amendment. That's why they put it at the top of the Constitution, because of how important they thought it was, and also because they knew nobody reads past page 2. Now this was an incredibly progressive idea at the time. And today we think of it as one of the greatest ideas from that era.

I mean, it's certainly much better than the idea that you shouldn't leave the house without seven layers of clothing. It's summer, at least take off the wig, you freak. So part of that religious freedom meant that the government can't force you to do things that your religion forbids you from doing. For instance, if you're a devout Quaker, you don't have to fight in a war. If you're Amish, you don't have to send your kids to high school. If you're a latter-day-day-day-day-day-day-day-day-day-day-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s. If you're a latter-day saint, you don't have to come into work until later in the day. Well, that's not what it is? Yeah, but Steve told me that that's why he comes in at 3.30...

God damn it, Steve! But when vaccines became widespread, it turned out some religious people had objections to those two. And that's when things started to get messy. Not even really till the 20thcentury century ticeteeteeteeteeteeteen the the th century th century th century th century th century th century th century th century th century th century th century th century to get messy. Not even really till the 20th century, that we start to see people using religion as a basis for opposing a vaccine. And it doesn't really pick up steam until the 1950s and 60s. It all takes rude in the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The law essentially requires employers to make reasonable accommodations for employees who can't fulfill a job requirement due to religious beliefs.

But the law doesn't give a lot of guidance when it comes to defining religion. According to rules laid out by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, a religious belief does not have to be recognized by an organized religion, and it can be new, unusual, or seem illogical or unreasonable to others. In 2012, a U.S. District Court ruled that veganism was a sincerely held religious belief which gave one employee a pass from a flu shot. Yeah, you can laugh. But I can see how veganism could be considered a religion.

I mean, think about it. They're super dedicated, they follow strict rules, and they think anyone who doesn't share their beliefs should go to hell. You know, in fact, now that I think about it, my vegan friends talk way more about being vegan than my Christian friends talk about Jesus. Like, I don't even know what church Dave goes to, but I know exactly what Mariah had for lunch. The point is, America got into a situation where it was giving exemptions for religious beliefs

while being very open-minded about what a religious belief was. And look, there are good reasons why you don't want the government picking apart every religion like it's a cheating boyfriend on Tick-Tock. You'd rather have the government say veganism is a religion, than have the government say, veganism isn't a religion and also, neither is Islam. Unfortunately, though, the flip side of being that tolerant is that people can take advantage of the system.

You know, it's like how, when airlines didn't define what an emotional support animal was, at first, you had genuinely traumatized people bringing their pets on the plane. But then before long, I was fighting an alligator for an armrest. Can you tell me again what this animal is helping you with? Because he's giving me anxiety, man. So, because the government chose not to nitpick what a religious belief could be, it didn't take long for the idea of religious exemptions to start showing cracks. Because of vaccines, we were able to do something that is hardly ever done, which is to actually eliminate a disease. We the the the the the the the the the the the the theaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseasease the the the tha thase thase thase thase thase thase thase thase thase thaseaseaseasease. Because thaseaseaseaseasease. Because thease. Because theasea. Because theasea. Because theasea. Because the. Because the, the, the, the, the, the, the, toe, to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the theanananan. theananananan, thean thean thean thean thean thean thean thean theanan done, which is to actually eliminate a disease. We eliminated measles in the United States in the year 2000, and all of a sudden everything

changed. State of emergency that's been declared as the nation faces one of the worst measles outbreaks in decades. In 2000, about 1% of Oregon kindergartners were not fully vaccinated for philosophical or religious reasons. Last year it jumped to 7% the highest rate in the country. In Vermont, there was a 640% increase in kindergarten children with religious vaccine exemptions.

The fact that we have had so many cases in 2018 is really quite discouraging. This is a completely avoidable situation. Oh man, poor Dr. Fauci, this guy has spent his whole career trying to convince people that dying from disease is bad. COVID, measles. I bet if you went back to the 14th century, there was a Dr. Fauci begging people not to get the black plague. People, please, don't have sex with those rats. This is a very avoidable situation. So, thanks to those religious exemptions,

measles became the throwback fad that nobody asked for. Which is not fair to everyone else, and it's definitely also not fair to measles. I mean, think about it. Measles have been retired all these years and then suddenly it has to start working again and all because kindergartners have philosophical objections to the vaccine. I mean I'm pretty sure the only philosophy that a kindergarten has is we should turn on paw patrol. I mean think about how crazy it is that in America you can send your kids to school with measles, right? But if they bring peanut butter with them, their little ass is getting thrown out in the snow.

And it turns out that the same way Sarah Palin was just a trial run for Donald Trump, the measles anti-vaxes were just a trial run for COVID. Because now, even more people are seeking religious exemptions from vaccines. And they're finding a lot of help from their fellow worshippers online. We found websites that help people request exemptions. One urge include words like sacred, holy, worship, blessed, and others. Thousands of Facebook users are actually teaching each other how to obtain religious exemptions from the vaccine. These are folks who are swapping tips who are showing each other how to evade filters. On Instagram the lead pastor of Destiny Christian Church issues an open invitation to anyone seeking

religious exemption. If you feel morally compromised by taking this vaccine, we have a form for you. Numerous churches across the country are offering the same. We found a self-described evangelist offering vaccine exemption letters to anyone who wants one. Curious, our producer emailed her. He's fully vaccinated already by the way. She offered to write letters not just for him but three family members once he paypal to at least $25. Ten dollar minimum donation for each additional family member after that. This woman says she's a Christian.

Our producer is Jewish. No questions asked about religion or medicine or anything. Wow, okay. That's not exactly the interreligious harmony that I've been hoping for. And as shocking as it may seem, I think it's pretty obvious that some religious leaders are going to try to keep people unvaccinated. I mean, after all, they make money, the the the they they they they they they they they make money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money money they make money they make money they make they make money they make they make they make they make they make they make they make they some religious leaders are going to try to keep people unvaccinated. I mean, after all, they make money from getting the letters, and then they make a ton of money from doing the funerals. But still, it doesn't take a genius to see how the great idea of religious freedoms has been

corrupted. You know, the question used to be, do you have a sincere religious belief? And now it's do you have a PayPal account. And the reason that people need to work so hard to cheat the system with fake religious beliefs is that basically every actual religion has told its followers to get thine ass vaccinated. Faith organizations have come out to say the benefits of getting the vaccine far outweigh any ethical concerns about its development. Jewish scholars say the benefits of getting the vaccine far outweigh any ethical concerns about its development.

Jewish scholars say the Torah requires it. Muslim leaders endorse it too, leaving legitimate religious excuses to skip the shots far and few between. Today's sermon or Khotba in Islam is Imam Khraya Sam's fact check for the faith fault. This vaccine is absolutely halal. The COVID-19 vaccines got a holy endorsement on Wednesday. Pope Francis told reporters that humanity has a history of friendship with vaccines and urged everyone to get their shots.

In India, the Dalai Lama getting his first coronavirus vaccine shot, the Tibetan spiritual leader urging his followers to do the same. Have courage to take is this injection. Yeah, leaders of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism all agree that there's nothing in religion that stops people from getting the vaccine. Now we just need Bioncet to put out a statement and then all religions are covered. But think about how crazy it is, to have all the major religions saying there's no religious objection to the vaccine. These guys don't agree on anything.

Hell, Buddhists believe that the middle seat of an airplane is one of the best. Free yourself from the desire for an aisle seat. The only window that matters is the window in your mind. Now if you'll excuse me I need to go to the bathroom. Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, sorry, excuse me, so watch the road please, sorry, excuse me, can you get out of the fucking ways? So that's how religious exemptions became red, white and broken. A fantastic idea that was once the foundation for a society where people could pray the way they wish to pray has now warped into an excuse that people can use just to avoid the rules.

I mean the one upside is now I get to steal people's cars, I get to eat fish on a plane, cut in line everywhere I go and even punch toddlers in the street. And if people say, hey Trevor, stop being an asshole, I can say, yo, yo, yo, I'm not being an asshole. These are just my religious beliefs. All right, when we come back, Michael Costa learned something surprising about the clitoris. Wait, what? Oh boy, I'm definitely coming back after the break. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. But that's all about to change.

Like none of this stuff gets looked at. That's what's incredible. I'm Seth Done of CBS News. Listen to 60 Minutes, a second look on Apple podcasts starting September 17. Welcome back to the Daily Show. Every once in a while, an ordinary person goes above and beyond to change the world. Tonight, Michael Costa has found one of those persons for another episode of Thank-Me Later.

Hi I'm Michael Costa. Believe it or not, modern f-dict doctors or gynecologists aren't being adequately trained on the anatomy of the f-xone that makes fissue's c-dict the clitoris. That is, until one woman decided to give doctors, and laymen such as myself, the map we so desperately needed. I sat down with this hero, and you, you can thank me later.

I'm Jessica Pinn, and I have gotten five textbooks changed to include detailed anatomy of the clitoris. Let me just back up here for a second because I know about the clitoris, okay? I know very much about the clitoris, but some of our audience may be a little less informed. So why don't you just explain to our audience, to to to to to to to our to our to our to our to our to our to our to our to our to our to our the clitoris, but some of our audience may be a little less informed. So why don't you just explain to our audience where and what the clitoris is, please. Um, so the clitoris is the primary, so it's a sensory organ of female sexual response.

The primary sensory organ of the female sexual response. Go ahead, yep. It looks like this. That looks like a coat hanger with balls. Well, this is what a clitoris looks like. Most women orgasm from external clitoral stimulation. Show me again how exactly how you did that. I know, but just so our viewers just show me again.

This is a common way to simulate the clitoris and this is the anatomy that I've been getting covered. At the time of Jessica's study no medical textbook included anatomy of the clitoris while these same textbooks were cock-a-block with penis cross-sections. Ouch! So the penis gets covered in great depth. As an example, Medscape provides 57 times as many words on the penis as on the clitoris. And I've asked them to... Dick, dong, ding dong, slong. Oh no, no, I mean like words, like I counted the number of words in order to quantify how much

coverage there was a penile anatomy versus clitoral anatomy. It was 57 times. And that's a huge problem. th words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi words thi thi thi thi thi thi words thi thi thi thi thi thi th on th on much coverage there was a penile anatomy versus clitoral anatomy. It was 57 times and that's a huge problem because doctors will think they know adequate clitorial anatomy when they don't. That's scary because then they will be operating on people and not realizing what they need to watch out for and that's actually what happened to me. Jessica herself was harmed during a surgery and dove into academic research to find out what went wrong. She soon discovered that medical textbooks were ignoring the clitoris.

And she decided to apply some pressure to this sensitive area. When I first started emailing medical leadership and textbook authors, it didn't seem like I was getting anywhere. No one was listening and it was so frustrating. In 2018, I crashed the ACOG annual meeting. ACOG is the American College of OBJINs. And I passed out flyers of Clitoral Anatomy. Not surprisingly, Jessica's strategy of

handing out flyers, like the Clitoris was a Times Square comedy show, didn't work. I realized there was a need for me to have credibility. So I went to my dad, who was a plastic surgeon, and I told him that I needed to publish a study. So I dissected clitoris with my dad. Wait, what? What? It's actually so funny. I dissected clitoris with my dad. That's amazing. Me and my dad watch Adam Sandler movies, but if this is what you do with your dad, cool.

Yeah. How do you dissect a clitoris? From cadavers? Dead people, clitoris? Yeah. That's how you learn anatomy. Then it was time for Jessica and her dad to start slicing and dice. We went to the anatomy lab and my dad said a lot of people faint or throw.. thamamamam, tham, tham, tham, tham, tham, tham, tham, thin' thin' thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, it thi, it, it, it's thi, it's thi, it's th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th i i i i thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi's thi's thi's thi's that that that that that that that that thi a thia'' that thia' thia' thi thi thi th dice. We went to the anatomy lab and my dad said a lot of people faint or throw up, so if you need to sit down, that's okay. And I was like, no, like hand me the scissors. Before our study, a surprising number of OBJYNNs told me to my face. Those nerves are very thin and difficult to dissect, but they were larger than even I thought.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. How do you know that this cadaver didn't just have a big clitoris? Oh, well, we dissected 10... That's the first time I've ever said that sentence in my life. So we did 10 for our study, and so we measured the nerves in all 10 specimens. Wow. In 2019, Jessica's groundbreaking study was published in the aesthetic surgery journal, but it didn't get a lot of attention.

The medical community was ignoring her study, like it was, I just can't think of a good analogy, but you get it. So Jessica started pushing her cause on social media, publicly calling out doctors and textbook authors forcing them to make real changes. Wait, you're saying TikTok made real life changes to actual graduate-level medical textbooks? Yeah, five of them!

Wow. Okay. Besides the sense of satisfaction you get from protecting women from needless suffering, have you received anything for your work? Any cash payments or schools named after you a free sub at Subway? No. Jessica we mailed you a box. Okay. Did you please read it out loud? It says, Jessica Anpin, you may have rubbed a few people the wrong way, but thank you for your tireless service to enlarge our nation's clituriture.

Oh, that's awesome. So far, Jessica's activism has helped change standardized exams for some med school graduates, new certification guidelines for practicing OBGYNs, and five textbooks. And Jessica, you can add one more book to your list because I'm updating my diary. And you can thank me later. Thank you so much for that, Michael. All right, when we come back, Tristan Harris will be joining me on the show to tell us how Facebook is making us want to kill each other.

You don't want to miss it. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. But that's all about to change. Like none of this stuff gets looked at. That's what's incredible. I'm Seth Done of CBS News. Listen to 60 Minutes, a second look, starting September 17th, wherever

you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is Tristan Harris of the Center for Humane Technology. He's here to talk about Facebook and whether the social media giant can be both responsible and profitable. Tristan, welcome to the show. Pleasure to be here with you. Your face is one that I both enjoy seeing, but at the same time it brings me a lot of sort of PTSD.

Because you said a lot of things in the documentary where I think a lot of people would probably know you from the social dilemma, where you just laid out how like social media is fundamentally designed to turn my brain into a certain type of mush, and then just leave me feeling shitty about myself, but constantly needing to re-engage with the product. Yeah. Yesterday everything was down or most of it was down, you know Facebook was down, Instagram was down, WhatsApp, etc. Were you popping champagne when that was happening? As somebody who has been like really hitting on the idea that everything should be reigned

in? Well, I think it certainly gave people a taste of what it's like to just not have this thing in our lives? And I think it's so interesting that it happened the day, thapapapapapapapapaped, that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's interesting, that it's that it's interesting, that it's interesting, that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's that it's interesting, like, that it's that it's that it's that it's, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's interesting, that's interesting, that it's interesting, that it's interesting, that's that's that's th, that that that that's a that's a the the the the thi.a Whistleblower from Facebook came forward, because she's basically, just, I mean, this is the largest release I think that we're going to see in Facebook's history, because after this, there's probably never going to be research at tech companies that's done on identifying the harms of their products. Why do you say that? Well, because, so Francis, tha, tha, tha, thrancancance, th. th is, thrance, th is, th is, th is, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, th is thus, thus, th is th is th is th is thus, thus is thus is thi, thi, thi, thi, this is thi, thi, this is thi, thi, thus is thi. This is thi. This is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th. This is th. This is th. This is thi, thi, thi. This is thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the thea. thea. thea. the. This isower, she basically, I think, took photos of basically all of this research, tens of thousands of documents. Wow. And once that happened, it's showing that it's not just that the harms in the social dilemma

are true, it's that Facebook knew that they are harming teenage mental health. They know that they drive anorexia and body-dismorphiae, body-dism disorders. They know that it drives political parties in Europe, India, Poland, Taiwan, Spain to go more negative and divisive. So the key of the whistleblowers insights is that they know that it's sort of harming society but they don't change because they still prioritized profits over safety. So let's let's try ry break this whole thing down. Yeah. You know, I agree with almost everything that you say. You know, I sit there, I see it in my own life,

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the problem or is it just humans are the problem and social media amplifies the problems? It's a great question. I think the problem is that you know the worst of human nature exists in all of us. Okay. But the best in human nature also exists in all of us. I mean you look you got the Jan the J the J the j the j the j the j the j the j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thea. thea. to to thea. to to toea. toea. toea. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. I toe. I to me. I to me. I to me. I. I. I. I to me. I. I. I. I. I. I to me. I to. I to. I to. I to. I to. I to. I to. I to. I to. I to. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm t. I'm t. I'm. I'm. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. I'm. I'm. I also exists in all of us. I mean, look, you got the Janjaweed and child soldiers in certain places and you've also got these peaceful tribes that have lived in harmony with nature for thousands of years, you know, in whatever way. But when social media, every day, when you look at it, it points a trillion dollars of compute power at finding the next fault line in society. So when you open up the feed and it says, okay, what am I going to show you? And it has to rank it by, what's going to get the most attention? And the way it does that is it takes the trillion dollar market cap of those companies, supercomputer, calculates, okay, what would most likely get you, not just to look at it or click or share,

but to comment on it. argumentative comment threads. So when you have an AI pointed at finding the next fault line in society, like perfectly with hyper-microtargeted, personalized precision, like the thing that will make you hate your fellow countrymen and women, and then you run society through that for 10 years, like it's no surprise that whether it's vaccines or masks or anything that we would be this divided. And the key is that the more it polarizes citizens, the more it forces, the more it forces,

the more politicians to actually cater to a more extreme base that never resolves. We don't ever get synthesis, which means democracy that's like you just throw a wrench, you know a wrench into the the system is working, they veer towards authoritarians or demagogues because democracy is not working. Interesting. So what you're saying is, when people feel like it's all fallen apart, they then look to the most extreme leaders to try and get them out of it because they feel like the system itself is broken. Yeah, well, I mean, if the system's not delivering results to you, like there's this pothole a pothothothoth, or their their their their, or their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thrown, thrown, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thri. thri. thri. thri. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi issue you care about. That's the thing. This is a bipartisan issue because it takes whatever you feel and then it shows you a more extreme version of why you should be angry about that thing. And then again, that makes you never have, you'll never elect people who have some kind

of synthesis of what should be done. The key evidence in the Facebook revelations was that in political parties said to Facebook, we know you changed your ranking system. Right. And Facebook's like, oh come on, like people had this conspiracy theory all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you think we changed it. Tell us what you think happened. And the political party said, no, we know you changed it because we used to be able to publish policy about our agriculture policy and what we're going to do do do do do do do do when you change the algorithm, we no longer got traffic for those papers. We noticed we only got traffic when we said negative things about our opponents. And we don't want to do that, but we don't have any other choice. And what that shows you is in the political marketplace of ideas, we don't have an invisible

hand where people are just choosing freely. We have the digital hand of Mark Zuckerberg that is that is choosing the conditions that politicians have to cater to. It's so interesting that you say this because I had a conversation with a friend and then I had another conversation with someone who I just know who's conservative right and what was interesting was the friend of mine was going like is like oh the hey you you know I was I was disappointed that when you when you had this thing on your show you said this But then you didn't present like a like a nuanced view on the whole thing or and I was like what you took about? I said exactly that and then he was like no you didn't say that I said no I did say that I said where did you? Where did you watch the show? He's like? He he the the the the th, where did th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the th th th th th th th th the did the did the did the did the did the did the did the did the. the. the. the did the did the did the did the did the did th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. the. the. the. the. you you the. you the. you the. you the. thee. you the. thee. you you the. you you the. the. intrigued by which clip went to which people. Right.

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I'm just trying to get engagement, I'm just trying to get this thing going. It's not about negativity. I don't want it to be negative. It's that people are drawn to claim that they're just a mirror for society. Yes. So first of all, it is totally true that polarization has existed in our society way before that. But then when you show people like a news feed that they're going to look at for hours a day and you sort that by what gets, again, the most controversy, the most outrage, which do you think is going to happen? their threaten, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho...... tho, tho, tho.. tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho. And, thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. confessions? We're defining the reality. More than that, we actually have new evidence that when Facebook defines the reality, we've been saying that for a while.

What just came out a week ago is Facebook has a project called Project Amplify, where they actually, they want to sew positive news about Facebook. So they actually show people positive stories and it can be targeted to you. So if you love horses, you'll see the story about how Facebook helps someone who lost their horse in a, somewhere in a farm. That's amazing. And so it makes, to find me a horse or to whatever, yeah. Right, and so again, it's like,

you know, I think Lord Mayor Rothschild said, give me a control over people's attention, beliefs, and behaviors, and I care not about anything else. In a way, Facebook is a for-profit sort of parallel government, that's like an AI government that is controlling and shaping people's beliefs, thoughts, and behaviors, and again with artificial intelligence. So it's like it's your brain against an AI. We saw with the election, let's say Brexit. We saw Brexit, we saw with the rise of Trump, we saw that with just, I mean even in like Trinidad, it was like all these tools that that company was using Cambridge Analytica, they were using those Facebook tools to shape people's realities. Exactly. They could get people to not vote ironically, not just vote but not vote. Right. So then what is the answer? Do you do. Do do. Do the answer. Do the answer. Do the answer. Do the answer. Do the answer. Do the answer. Do the answer. Do the answer. Do the answer. Do th. Do thi. Do thi. Do thi. Do you thi. Do you thi. Do thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. that th. that that, th. that, th. that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. that that that that that that that that that that that that thri. that that that that that thri. that thi. thi. that thi. thi. thi. thi. Do you do you switch to China's model where China goes, hey, no more than 40 minutes of TikTok in a weekend and no video game, we're going to just shape society. Do

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they show kids, and things that basically, because they want their kids to be astronauts. Yeah, like how to be a doctor and what, to reward whatever just gets the most engagement. It's like a devious Lix challenge. How to burn down your school? How to burn down your school? Or become an influencer. So basically it's like, we want our kids to be influencers. We allow that, that's catastrophe. Or you get dystopia in the form of oppression where you're controlling it. The whole point of this conversation, and I think the the the the the to show there's a third way that's not anti-technology, it's actually democracy plus technology equals a stronger democracy. We can notice that China is employing technology to make a stronger technology, to make stronger,

democracy is their own civic participation. We can notice that's what we want to create, it's not anti-big-tech, it's how do we make sure technology and open societies allow us to create something that's more humane and positive for people and that's the change that has to come from this. Yeah, but how is the change going to happen when people in Congress don't even know what an app is. I mean you saw there was a congressman, there was a senator who's who's like, oh no, well are you going to to to to to. to. to to. to. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thin. that's, that's, that's, and that's, that's to be that's, and that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And thi. And the thi. thin. the change. th. th. the change. the. the. the. the. the. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that are the people making the laws, then I argue that the laws will never be made and then Big Tech is influencing which laws are even thought about because of the lobbying system.

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You know where they go like, you can't just keep giving, if you see the person is like blacking out, if you see a person, you gotta be like, you gotta be like, hey, you've had one too many. And I guess as human, some, you're like, there's, there's, so, so, some, so, some, some, so, so, so, so, so, so, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, the, you can't, you can't, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their.... th. th. th. th. th. their. th. their. their. their, their, their, their, their, th. thi. th's a human relationship there, right? Because you see them and you can empathize with them as a person, you see they're falling into their glass or something. Right, right. But the opposite is true with the tech companies. First of all, Facebook has never sent me a message or Instagram has never sent me like, hey, you've been scrolling for a while. Hey, yo, Trev. It's been like, it's been an hour. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's been like, it. It's been like, it. It's like, it. It's like, it. It's like, it. It's like, it's. It's like, it's. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. they're. they're. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they I try it off to watch the social dilemma. Okay. And so what did you notice after, in that week, what happens?

So this is what happens is when you, when you do, or if you do come, so first of all, theymea, theymea, they, theyre-s, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they's, they, they, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, try, try, tha, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, the, t, t, t, t, what, t, what, what, t, what, t, what, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, the, the, t............ t. t. t. t. t. t. t. the, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, try, th, th. th. tho, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, th documentary, I want to change my life. Then I get an email. I don't subscribe to any emails. Then the first thing I do is unsubscribe. I'm like, what are you talking? I don't subscribe to any emails. Hey, just so you know, Tristan commented on you. But I'm like, no, but I've never subscribed to this. I never get emails. They lure me in, you know, curiosity. Kills the cat. I go in. And then I log in.

And man, it'll make sure the first picture I see engages me in some, it'll be something heinous. You know, it'll be like, oh, look at what's happening to these people in this country. Where I'm like, shit, this is terrible. It'll be a disaster, orthey have to show you the thing that they know is going to get you. And like you said, if you don't use it, they start dialing up like a digital drug lord, like, let me try like these five things. And they have to figure out, like, oh, you stopped using, how can I get you to come back a little bit more?

Yeah. Yeah, sometimes they're leaving me like, hey, just checking on your account. We're like, my account? What's happening? If you want to hear more of Tristan's ideas, check out his podcast, your undivided attention. We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be right back after this. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives.

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