The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Roy Talks NFL Player Safety with Nate Burleson | Beyond the Scenes

Episode Date: September 10, 2023

Buffalo Bills safety, Damar Hamlin, went into cardiac arrest during a game. This injury sparked conversations about the safety of football and the ways the NFL protects their players’ well being. Host Roy Wood Jr. sits down with CBS Mornings co-host, Nate Burleson, to discuss their feelings towards the game, the importance of protecting players’ mental health, and the fight for lifetime insurance in the NFL.   Original air date: January 17, 2023See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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okay I don't know if that's the worst analogy I've ever made to start this podcast you may have saw or heard recently in the news that buffalo bill safety demar hamlin went into cardiac arrest during a Monday night football game earlier this month he's made great tries towards recovery. He's been released from the hospital. He's back in Buffalo at this time. But the incident still sparked conversations on the issue of the safety of players in the NFL. To help us take a deeper dive into NFL safety, we have with us again.

CBS Mornings. Nate, how you doing brother man? I'm good, I'm good, and that analogy makes perfect sense. You know, the dad comes around and he walks up to his child and say, come here, let me, let me bring it to the other room. I need to tell you about life. And he places his hand on our shoulder and then he continues to keep it all the way real and that's what we do on this podcast. Yeah, and you see them once a week just like this podcast. Listen, Nate, I feel like you're a friend of the pod so we can kind of kick back a little bit. Thank you for making time with this again on a very important issue.

First and foremost, let's just talk about DeMar Hamlin first. Talk to me about your feelings watching this injury play out because I was I I I I I in New York and I just saw Monday night football and then I saw CPR creeping up my Twitter trends and I saw football and Cpia on like what the hell is it what CPR dan should oh? Oh no So as that played out live on television the debate was of course should they continue to game should they stop the game and it's been criticism about how the NFL? the NFL? Oh, no, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, right. Oh, right. Oh, right. Oh, right. So, right. So, right. So, right. So, right. So, right. So, right. So, right. So, right. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, th, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, I I th, I th. So, I th. So, th. So, th. So, thi. So, th. So, thi. So, th. So, the the the the thi. So, I th. So, I th. So, I television, the debate was of course, should they continue to game, should they stop the game? It's been criticism about how the NFL responded. How do you, as a former player, feel the league handled this situation? Well, first let me talk about what happened when I saw the injury, we'll call it. And that's probably a light way to describe it.

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Now when the response from the NFL really started to unfold, one, I will say the response from the doctors in the immediate area, the trainers, the medics, everybody involved, they were as heroic and as brilliant as ever. And this isn't me putting on a cape. One thing I try not to do when we talk is, is wear the shield on my chest and say everything right that is going to be right for the NFL because I'm a fellow player and I feel work. I keep it real. You talk about the NFL like you got cut in the preseason. Well, I have to keep it real because really that's the only the only the only the only, the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is, is, thi, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is thi, is, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi.ei.ei.ei.ei, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi it real because really that's the only way that people will respect

our honesty when talking about these subjects. Now I say that they were brilliant in their response because they absolutely were talking to people that work in the medical field, talking to doctors that reached out to me voluntarily, they said the room for error was so minute that any misstep, any miscommunication amongst all of those voices crowding over this body and some might describe it as a lifeless body at certain points any type of miscommunication could have cost him his life or civilly damaged him for the rest of his life and they were able to perform what we know now as a miracle and listen we hope and pray that DemMar continues to heal up but in that moment things could have went left

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You've seen guys run 4-3s, low 4-2s, which means that we as a league as players study what has happened before us and then we train to get faster when the time comes for us to perform. I bring all that up is because I think this moment in time is going to be studied and when we have our league meetings and when these doctors get together, they're going to talk about this moment in time. And their their. And thi. And thiii. And thi. And thi. And thi. I I I I I I I I thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I's, thi's, thoe, thoea. the, the, theate, thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th... th. th. th. And thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thrainers get together, they are going to talk about this moment in time. And they are going to figure out how to respond even faster, even quicker. Now as far as the X's and O's, to keep it all the way around, I can care less about that game. People are like, what about that game and's life is on the line and if you can break down strength the schedule, win percentage, how many games you won at home versus on the road and

then you come up well yeah you come up with some type of system that allows you to see things correctly I'm good with that now the fans might say well Nate come on man what about home field advantage I mean this is the postseason what are you talking about Let me break it to you, man. When it comes to the playoffs, the best teams are going to win. Rarely will a crowd. And I know US fans, you feel like you have an impact on every game, which you do.

I am not being dismissive to players that choke in the moment they are overshadowed by players that know what they're doing and rise to the occasion in the postseason. So this whole home field advantage in the league messing it up it's not that serious. I know that there isn't much of a comparison to what happened with brother Hamlin but talk to me a the the the the the the the the the th. the the th. the the th. the the to to the the to to to the the to to to to the the to to the the to to the the to to to to to to the the to to to to to the. to to to to to to. to. to to to to to to to to to to to to to told. told. told. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the field when you see a beloved teammate go down and the play clock is back on 40 and count down and you got to go get your ass back in the huddle. The the card is taking this man off the field. Talk to me a little bit about what goes on in the mind of a player. You know have you ever been on the field and have to struggle with continuing to play? Yeah, yeah, I'll give you a couple of stories

You know one time when I was in college we were having a spring game which is InterSquad scrimmage and I do for a ball that's right right right? Yeah, they like who we about to look at this season and hand some hundred dollar handshakes to So so I dove for this ball, right and I caught it with my hands and Fully parallel to the ground and as I was trying to bring it in my helmet hit the ground before my body did and I was out I didn't realize it of course, so when I come to which I found out was around 20 seconds, which is a long time to be laying on the ground??????????? the ground? to? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I, to? I, to? I, the the the too. I, too, the too, the too, too, to be, I'm? I'm? I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, so... to. to. to. to. to. to.. to, I... to, I..... to, I... to, I... to, I, I.. to, I. to, I. to, I, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, to. to. to. to. to. to. to, to. to. to. to. to, to a long time to be laying on the ground, motionless. So when I get up, the last thing you remember, when the lights come back on is literally the last thing you remember. So I'm like, oh, I caught this ball, let me go back to the huddle. And I go? Where I thought the huddle in the practice would be, nobody was there. They're like, Nate, calm down, relax, breathe. You were out for a little bit. You might have a concussion, and I'm like, what, wait, what's going on? What happened to practice? What happened to

practice? the other side of the field? The I actually calmed down and took a breath, I looked to the other side of the field. Those guys weren't overly concerned with me. They were trying to finish practice. Now things are a little bit different nowadays because there is some sensitivity, both from the outside perspective, being fans in the stands and watching at home, but also coaches and players. But I wanted to share that story is because the show must go on. And I remember I said that shortly after this incident happened and I wanted to make sure I wasn't dismissive or insensitive to Demar Hamlin and his family and in me sitting here saying the show must go on as if I can care less about him. That's not it. What it is is is Skip Bayle is stepped in it too. Yeah he stepped squarely in it. He stepped squarely in it. He that. He that. He that. He stepped squarely in it. He stepped squarely in it. He stepped. He stepped squarely in it. He stepped. He stepped squarely in it. He stepped. He stepped squarely in it. He stepped squarely in it. He stepped. He stepped. He stepped. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that's that's that's that's that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. that's. that's. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the the the the the the the the te. the the tte. the tte. the. the. the. thi. too in a similar vein. Yeah, he really did. He stepped square, he stepped squarely in it.

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Yeah, you was snowing. You know, you was out. The sensitivity is on the sideline in real time. Like if somebody has a concussion, this is what happened. We all wait. We're all like on pins and needles. Now we're playing in the game, we're focused, say the field is in front of me. But in between plays, it's like, hey, yo, what happened? What happened? What happened?

What happened? On the injury tent? . You know, he heard he's in the locker room, but, you know, he gave a thumbs up on the way and, okay, cool, cool, oh, what happened, what happened to Chris, the ACL, was it the ACL? Now they say it's just the spring, but they're going to do MRIs after, okay, cool, cool, we'll talk to him on the plane. Like that does happen. grown men are like adult teenagers. So there are times when a guy has an injury and he's doing okay and that's where the jokes come. And I know we're not trying to be funny right

now but there has been some moments where a guy is slightly concussed where he might have got a little woozy, a little lightheaded. He wasn't like knocked out completely. And then we get to the sideline and the trainers are doing the okay, what month is it? When's your birthday? Who's your favorite superhero? Count backwards from 12? And then they come back, who's your favorite superhero? When's your birthday, what month is it? So they do this whole test. And then you know what happens?

Five of your closest friends on team come over and like, hey, broo, you're good. How many fingers? You're the best chicken wings just making right in cussing questions just making up questions they like man watch out man I'm good I'm ready to play so there's this fine balance where we know when it's serious we have to you know have this approach that allows our teammate to know like we got his back but it is it is something we have to come to grips with. And that was one of the biggest things that I was concerned with when it came to the Buffalo Bills players and the Cincinnati Bengals players. Like, it's one thing to have their physical freedom to go out there and play football. I think players have all of their worries, their anxieties, their fears, even depression, whether it's work related, th, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, their, and, their, their, their, and, their, their, their, their, their, their, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's their, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it. It's, it. It's, it, it. It. It. It's, it, it, it, it, it, it. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's their. It's their. It's their. It's one. their. their. their, it's one's one's one's one's one's one's one's one's one's one's one's one's one's one's one's one's one's one's one's one's one. the the the the related, and put all of those things in a box. That was literally my prayer. God, allow me to put these things that are on my

weighing on my spirit in a box, and then after the game, allow me to get back to that box and deal with them after football. So we have a way of compartmentalizing physically, but I think the difficult thing, especially in this situation, is these players coming back on the field and being mentally free. But where the league is now, I do feel like the Bills and the Cincinnati Bengals organization, they have offered therapy if guys so do choose. Nice. So much more to discuss on this and we'll do that right after the break. This is beyond the scenes. Finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You might get a lot of resumes, but not enough candidates with the right skills or experience. But not with Zip Recruiter. Zip Recruiter finds amazing candidates for you tasks fast. And right now you can try it for free. to try it for free to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to find a to to to to to find a to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the try try try the the try try the try the try try the the the the to to to to to smart technology identifies top talent for your roles quickly. Immediately after you post your job, Zip Recruiter's powerful matching technology

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Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. Now, do you think the magnitude of Hamlin's injury was eye-opening to the fans. We know that the players probably already as you've already stated have some awareness of their mortality on the field but you got to keep doing the job it is what it is and the OGs from the past well at least you all got pads we didn't have no face and my day yeah play with three fingers yeah smoking cigarettes a half time working on railroad trackacks in the offsees. Literally, literally.

Facts, facts. So, I'll tell you the most gruesome NFL injury, I remember witnessing as a fan. It was Monday night football, Raiders Niners, Ken Norton tackled Napoleon up the middle, and he rolled his shin and broke it in two places. And I distinctly remember over the sound of whatever mics they had on the field, hearing Napoleon Kaufman's scream. Like I was in college or something when this happened. And we were in the dorm, we were in the TV room in the dorm,

we was like, yo, that's not, and before they, like, and TV showed the replay, before realizing exactly how gruesome it was, And even Al Michaels was like, yo, don't show that number. TV has the advantage of always popping to the wide shot. Let's go to a commercial. Like, it's not like a lot of other sports where the injury is right there and you can see. In basketball, you can't see when somebody's certain. There's not, the stadium ain't big enough.

Right. To cut the super wide shot. So you can see what happens to an ankle. But in football, you can't hide CPR. There's no way to, even if you go wide, there's clearly something happening. The emotion on the players around it just said something different. How do you think this will change how fans view how violent football is? Did this make new, I don't want to say opponent to the sport? Did it make more people aware of the real mortality? Because like you said, most of the gruesome stuff you see, it's a bunch of people crying

around. We don't see the bone come out the leg. You see it. Yeah. But TV's never going to show that. So how eye opening do you think the magnitude of the to the thininininininininin, to, to, to, to, to, to, th th th th to, th th thin, to, thin, thin, to, thin, to, to, to, to, to, the, to, the, the, to, to, the, to, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, to, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, tooome, too, to it was sobering, you know to the extent that bands who feel like we are these warriors, we are invincible, that we might get banged up, but eventually we'll be back. We might get knocked down, but eventually we'll dust ourselves off and get back up. Fans that think like that, next play mentality, I think there is this

this connectivity that they have with the moment now when somebody gets injured versus like somebody going down and then it goes to commercial break and you're like Let me go grab some chips and let me know when the game's back on now. I think fans understand like how real they can get now. I don't think there will be more opposition to the game because there's certain sports Now I don't think there will be more opposition to the game because there's certain sports where the physicality is just part of it. I mean, there's some aspects of soccer with the collisions and the headers. I know rugby isn't necessarily a national sport here in the states, but it's a big sport all around the world. You have boxing and MMA, I mean that those sports speak for themselves. Then of course, football. You know, these guys are massive and their athletes who just cause these collisions that

are unlike any other end. To be honest, it's part of the sport. A lot of these collisions we love because it makes the game. I'll take you inside my kitchen when it happened. And I think this will answer your question as well. You know, I was sitting there and I and just having this conversation with what had just happened. It's quiet. You know, it's so quiet in a house you could hear a pin drop.

And I have 18-year-old, 16-year-old to 12-year-old. So usually, somebody's talking, somebody's cracking jokes. There's some type of music in that moment. And my wife, she's talking out loud and she says, you know, this is why I just don't want our sons playing football. Now mind you, my sons have been playing football since they were young and still do in high school. And they both want to go off to college and play football and then possibly playing the NFL, which is the ultimate goal. My 16-year-old is sitting there and he's just casually eating his

food, he looks over, here's his mom, I'm to his right, he takes another bite and he's like, mom I'm still going to play football. And he was like things like this don't happen often. And before I could come in and wear this cape for the NFL or just the sport of football and say, yeah honey, you know, this doesn't happen that often. I couldn't do that in that moment because I wanted to validate her feelings. I didn't want to ignore where she was at and how she was speaking and how she was feeling in that moment. But at the same time, I also understand what my son is saying, because I've been playing football since I was eight years, I retired when I was 33, played 11 years in the NFL, I've had some injuries,

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with a former player. It wasn't a perfect one to one and he agreed, but he said it's like auto racing. There are deaths and people die, but the frequency of death in auto racing is not that high. Yeah. Comparative to the risk that is taken week after week after week by all of these NASCAR drivers and all of the safety precautions that have been put in since Dale Earnhardt. So I understand that. So then off the point that you just said about players who are able to still walk and you the their their their their their their their their their their their their their th, th, th, their th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, their, the, the, theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea, thee, the, the, the, the, that. So then off the point that you just said about players who are able to still walk and you know Have their mobility and cognitive skills on the other side of Retirement, you know, Hamlet's recovering a little faster, you know, than doctors expect. He's got a long way to go, but he's not fully covered or at least wasn't going into that game. Yeah, the way his contract was excuse me, the way the collective bargaining between the league and the players association was set up, was that traditionally a player like DeMar wouldn't get his medical care guaranteed into for life,

if I'm not mistaken, it's what the NFL said, correct me if I'm wrong. I know it keeps, they keep updating this. Yeah, yeah, no, you're right there is a way that's planning to protect him right or take care of him I would say so I would say the Buffalo bills and and also the NFL will take care of him to see the plan was to push for better benefits and you know this isn't an isolated NFL issue I feel like you know every person that works for any to to the to that the to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. the. the. the. better benefits. And this isn't an isolated NFL issue. I feel like every person that works for any type of corporate infrastructure pushes for more benefits. And it's okay for NFL players to say, you know, we want a more extended version of our insurance or maybe even life-time insurance.

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allow him to. The bigger question is, what about guys who don't have a charitable cause or have this outpoint of support like we did put the mark. Your injury wasn't on television commercial free for 40 minutes. Exactly, exactly. We have to call it what it is. What is the NFL going to do moving forward? And I think think think I I I think th th think I th th th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. And I th. And, I th. And, I th. And, I th. And, I th. And, I th. And, I th. And, I th. And, I th. And, I th. And, I th. And, I th. And, I thi. And, I thi. And, I thi. And, I thi. And, I thi. And, I thi. And, I thi. And, I thi. And, I thi. And, I thi. And, I thi. to do moving forward? And I think as players we look in the mirror and we figure out the best way we can be even better versions of the

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Listen to the weekly show with John Sturt wherever you get your podcast. Beyond the scenes we are back and talking player safety in the NFL. So Nate, beyond finances, what are some other ways that the NFL can protect their players? You know, do you think, first off, do you think the league is doing all they can to protect the players, minds and bodies and bank accounts? All they can? I don't think the league is doing the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the players minds and bodies and bank accounts. All they can. I don't think the league is doing all that they can. I think they're doing the best job that they can. And that isn't a cop out. No, that's fair.

That's me saying that until the league knows how much they really can do, then they're going to do the best version of what they think is taking care of the players physically immensely. What our job is, the NFL PA and the people that are in charge of fighting for not only current players and newly retired players, but also we're still fighting for guys from the early 2000s, 90s, 80s, 70s, you know, 60s, we want to fight for those guys as well. And I didn't have the benefit of the research. Who didn't have the benefits of research? Who didn't have the benefits in general that we have? You know, we all oftentimes talk about

when it comes from struggle to now finding any type of freedom in any space, we say, well, well, they walked so we could run. And it's true, but we have to run and then pass that money back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back to that money back down to the OGs. I do think lifetime benefits, you know, whether it's some scale of insurance, we have to continue to push for that. Lifetime support when it comes to physical rehab for injuries that you're going to have. It's inevitable.

I said this on TV and I'll keep repeating it so people really understand. The injury rate in the NFL is 100%. You will get banged up. Now, now. Now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, that, that, that, thi, that, that's, that, thi, thi, that's, that's, that, that, that, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that's that's that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi. And, th understand, the injury rate in the NFL is 100%. You will get banged up. Now of course, the degree is different. It's everything from a sprained ankle where you come back in a week or two to an ACO that has set you out for six to nine months, all the way to concussions and something like something that happened to DeMar. The Demar example is extreme, but all I'm saying is if that is true, the injury the injury the injury trueueueueueueue true true is true true true true true true true true true true true true true true true true true true true the injury the injury the injury the injury is true the injury is true the injury is true the is true, the injury rate is 100%, the NFL should offer something. Some type of physical rehab that a guy can lean on post-career until the day he dies.

And then the availability- Except for punters and kinkers. Well, kickers are people too. Kikas are people too. They respect to it. And then mental health. Having, you know, the ability to reach, at to, at, at, at, at, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, to, the, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.a, the know, the ability to reach out at any given time, whether it's individually or it's couples therapy or it's just work related. And here's the thing. I want people to to know this. The NFL does offer these things right now for former players. You can reach out to them and say, hey, I need therapy. They will find therapists in your area, give you five free sessions, and then figure out

if you want to move forward. Same thing with rehab. And there's a ton of benefits. Players do have to realize, if they make a phone call to the NFL headquarters or the NFL PA, they will send them an email a long laundry list of things that you actually get the hook up up the hook up the hook up the hook up up up the hook up up the hook up the the the the the hook up the the then with the same thing goes for pension then because I know that a lot of guys deal with With post-retirement depression because football is the only thing you've done since you were eight or nine years old

That's all you know and so now you're 35 and what next? What do I do? And trying to find job placement, you know in that capacity as well? How do you feel, you know? Because when you we we we we we we we? W, what? W, what? W, w, we we we we we we we we we we we we we t, w, w, w, w, w tell, w tell, w tell, tell, try tell, tell, tha try tell, tell, tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, t, t, t, t, tha, tha, tha, try, try, try, try, try try try try tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, to to to tell, to thau, to tell, to to to to tell, to tell, to tell, try try try trying to find job placement, you know, in that capacity as well. How do you feel, you know, because when you, when we talk about guaranteed country, everything you're talking about are things that need to happen, right? Baseball is guaranteed money dollar for dollar, even if you suck, even if you leave the league. Bobby Benea is still getting paid, he has not played baseball in 15 years. NBA money is guaranteed dollar for the day. NHL dollar for dollar. How likely, and I know this is pie in the sky,

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