The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Roy Wood Jr. and Jordan Klepper Investigate Police Bias | TDS Time Machine

Episode Date: September 30, 2023

The Daily Show travels back to this day in 2015. Pundits across cable news do their best to distort the meaning behind Black Lives Matter which continues to call out racism and bias in America’s police departments. Jordan Klepper and Roy Wood Jr. take to the field to answer once and for all: are cops racist? Chinese President Xi Jinping attends a state dinner in Washington with President Obama. And Chris Christie, seeking the Republican nomination for President, discusses what it’s like communicating his presidential platform on a crowded GOP debate stage.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey everybody, John Stewart here. I am here to tell you about my new podcast, the weekly show. It's going to be coming out every Thursday. So exciting. You'll be saying to yourself, TGID. Thank God it's Thursday. We're going to be talking about all the things that hopefully obsess you in the same way that they obsess me. The election. Economics. Earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. And I know that I listed that fourth, but in importance it's probably second. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday?

I mean, talk about innovative. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. You're listening to Comedy Central. September 30th, 2015. From Comedy Central's World News Headquarters in New York. This is the Daily Show. I'm Trevor Noah, our guest tonight, New Jersey, and presidential candidate Chris Christie is here. And, uh, that's right, promoting his new album, I want to be president.

But here we are, night three people, and, you know what, since I've been in America, a lot of people have asked me if I'm having a hard time, adjusting to living in the country. And the truth is, yes, some things are harder to understand than others. For instance, why do you let the baby lion's f-shed in a sandbox in your bathrooms? thrown? And why did you let that giant mouse rule a magical kingdom within your borders? No, no, not that. I was talking about the other one. Yeah. Luckily, they are things that do remind me of home.

For instance, having a black president, and the difficulty of talking about race relations, especially when the police are involved. The only people in our society that don't believe all lives matter are generally liberals. We don't need to say all lives matter because white citizens aren't dying at the hands of police. Why has the black lives matter movement not been classified yet as a hate group? When people say all lives matter, it's actually a violent statement. I've seen far more racism against the cops. It's a divisive issue. It's almost as if there's no there's no there's no there's a there's a there's a the there's a the the the their, their, their, their, the, the, th, th, th, th, th. A, th. A, thi, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, thi, thi, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is a th. I th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, thi. I. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th a divisive issue. It's almost as if there's no common ground. It really does seem like there's no common ground.

It's almost as if this whole issue is just black and... Oh, I get it. It's a cookie. The problem is a cookie. The question is, how can we even attempt to solve this problem in this heated environment? to find out Jordan Kleppa and Roywood Jr. filed this report. Over the past year, cops have faced increasing scrutiny based on their actions against minorities. To get to the bottom of this, the Daily Show sent not one.

But two correspondents to go deep. Super deep. So we decided to sit down with some cops to see why they're racist. Under attack. Tonight on. There's going to be a graphic right here. No graphic. No graphic? No graphic? Oh, just go inside. After all the shootings of unarmed minorities throughout the country, the nation has now split into two camps. Either the cops are racist or they're not racist. But only one side can be right. So we sat down with former NYPD detective and Fox News contributor, Bo Dietel, to get the definitive answer.

There's a tough question to ask, Bo, but I gotta ask it. Go ahead. Are police racist? No. It's good enough for me. I'm satisfied. We're good here.

I'm a moth-billiev. Are you serious? You're not going to ask him any more questions? He said they're not racist. NYPD was whooping ass. Bo, look, I'm sorry, he knows about bias. Bo, he's new. All cops are not racist. Everyone's starting to believe like you are

that there is a overwhelming conspiracy with all the cops. You go, oh, let's th let's th let's th let's th th th th th th th th th th th tho, the tho, the the tho, tho, their their their tho, their their tho, tho, tho, tho, the cops and go, ooh, let's go get a black guy and beat him to debt. That's not what's going on there. Of course a cop's going to say police aren't racist, but what about an expert who runs a sinner which studies the police, Dr. Phil Goff. Okay, so let's start with the facts. All cops are awesome. No, all cops are not awesome. Is there a fucking nuance to this? There is nuance to this. Police, like everybody else, hold implicit biases.

Implicit bias is the shorthand that we take for the automatic association between people and stereotypes that we have about those people. And we've done that with black and crime, a whole heck of a lot. Almost all people hold implicit biases. I don't hold any biases. I don't hold any biases. I look at him, I see a cool ass white dude.

I look at a shirt tucked in, look like a weatherman. You're gonna trust this guy, right? He's got southern charm. Is a black dude without earrings? Yeah, I like that dude. If it's true that neither of you have biases, then you are very rare individuals. Well I think that's true. I'm amazing. Not surprisingly, there's a program that nerdy Shug Knight developed which trains police officers to delink bias from their decision-making. We've been very involved in training officers to limit the influence of their biases on their behaviors. So a police chief comes to you and says, Help, we just shot a black kid.

Please help us, so we quit doing that. Police chiefs usually don't call us and say help. But some police departments have sought out these techniques, like this deadly force simulator, which shows a series of reallife situations that test your ability to not act on assumptions of race. Hey, what are you doing? What? Bias training consists of three key components, scenario-based training, written testing, and talk and shit out. To see it in action, we headed to the Madison, Wisconsin Police Department, one of the few in the country that has an extensive anti-bias program.

And there's a compelling reason why. Tonight, there are protests over another deadly police shooting of an unarmed man after complaints of a confrontation, this one last night in Madison, Wisconsin. So we set down with the Madison chief of police, Mike Koval, to ask one little question. Are all police biased? Yes, the police have biases. Got them. Got them. Got him?

You said it. Who are you calling? Black people? You're calling black people? Let me get that number. Yeah, I'm in Wisconsin, white dude, just said it. Bias, all of them. Uh-huh. Tell black Twitter. Black Twitter? You don't know about black Twitter?

No. Yeah, black Twitter. Hello? Hello? You should get a black Twitter. It's hilarious. I don't know what they're talking about at the time, but it is funny. So he admitted they're biased. They seem like pretty nice guys. There you go. It's all right. I'm feeling it.

It's good, looking good. Yeah, this is nice. Yeah. Right, my man. All right, hands are funny. And then the scenario-based training began. Of course, a couple of unbiased reporters like us would ace this. All right, role players.

You want to get in position. All Jordan, you thjjjjjjjjjjj you can the, you want to get in position? All right, Jordan, you can go ahead and observe. We have the rap star over here who clearly hit this pregnant woman. I'd rush these two guys and get back to business. It's not a rap star. He doesn't have a gold chain. All right, roll players, can you share with them? What is it? Oh, God. Are you okay?

What's going on? CPR. C. C. C. the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to tha. tha. tha. tha. to. Oh, God, are you okay? Are you okay? Are you okay? What's going on? CPR, Cpia. You okay? Roll over. Why is the black guy trying to kill the lady who's having a heart attack? Okay, okay, let's try this one more time. This scenario is called the domestic disturbance.

You're going to observe the scene, you're going to maybe verbally control the people involved. This guy's getting too old for the shit. Like lethal weapon? Have you seen lethal weapon? Like bad boys? I don't know. I've seen bad boys. Yeah, I bet.

Let's do this. Puh. Your first Jordan? Action. Is everything okay in here? Excuse me, get away from the woman. Get away from the woman. Get down, get down on the ground!

Get down on the ground! Ma'am, it's gonna be alright. And seeing, that was fun. That was fun, huh? Yeah! You were great and scary. Try it, you don't love it. I'm sorry about him, Officer Prado. All right, action. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, this is never going to happen.

Stop crying. She needs help. Stop crying. What happened? What happened? Why you're crying? Don't you're crying. Don't you're getting too old for this. I'm getting too old for the shit.

I'm too old for this. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 472, we're going to need a white female officer to come handle this. Knock, knock. Hello, officer, Wood. As a white female officer, I'll take care of this. Are you okay? Get on the ground! Get on the ground! Get away! Get away! You know what, okay? So maybe we do have her own biases, and this training can go a long way to help officers make bias-free decisions on the street. This is great. Oh, but there's just one little problem. You see, the shooting of Tony Robinson

was six months ago. The Madison PD started their bias training six years ago! What the hell, what do you have to say for yourself? The key is that we've got to acknowledge that this is a problem that is recurring with all too great a frequency because if no one's talking because we're all hunkered and bunker down, there's no possible way we can move the needle forward. So I think if nothing else, show affirmative steps that you're doing something, damn it's going to make the training less likely to end in those outcomes. Okay, fine, but talk is training training training training training training training traininininininin the the trained trained the the trained trained trained trained the trained training training the the training the training the training to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to end in those outcomes. Okay, fine, but talk is cheap. Can bias training really change police behavior?

How can we as a public bind to the realism that police bias training could work when you have so many incidents like Tony Robinson? Freddy Gray. Walter Scott. Sandra Banner. Somebody who gets shot next month. Implicit bias training is a good idea, but it's not sufficient.

You don't want to just do a training. You always want to do trainings with policy changes, with community engagement. And even that, there's still going to be these incidents. Because we live in a world where policing is frequently the symptom, not the cause of the inequality. It can't be that police are on one side and communities on the other. The police are the public and the public are the police. Just like in bad boys. Yeah.

You seen bad boys? It's not at all like bad boys? It's not at all like bad boys. It's not at all like bad boys. I mean, like... Have you even seen bad boys? So it's kind of like that, thiis. Bad boys, bad boys. What you're gonna do, what you're gonna do when we come for you, with an open mind and an awareness of our biases and cultural differences.

Nice people, when we come for you. Why the hell am I in the backseat? Jordan Knappelin, Roywood, Jr., everyone. We'll be right back. Hey everybody, John Stewart here. I am here to tell you about my new podcast, The Weekly Show, it's going to be coming out every Thursday. So exciting. You'll be saying to yourself, TGID, thank God it's Thursday we're going to be talking about. All the things that hopefully obsess you in the same way that they obsess me. The election. Economics. Earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls?

We're going to be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. And I know that I listed that fourth, but in importance, it's probably second. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday? I mean, talk about innovative. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. most powerful nations in the world. When Xin-Pin talks, it's no laughing matter. We have the right to uphold our own territorial sovereignty and lawful and legitimate maritime rights and interests. Okay, I'm sorry, that's a little funny. It is. Just to be clear, we did not give that interpreter that awesome voice. No, that was Al Jazeera that decided the president of China should sound like he's in an All-Stake commercial commercial. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the that was Al Jazeera that decided the president of China should sound like

he's in an Allstate commercial. But okay, I'm done, I'm done. Let's hear what he had to say. Beehshu te. We must recognize that countries have different historical processes and realities. And we need to respect people of all countries. I'm sorry, I'm not that. It just, I'm not, I'm not, I'm th, I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to th. to told, I'm to, I'm, I'm told, I'm that, I'm that, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm to, I'm to, I'm to, I'm to, I'm to, I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, I'm to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to too. th. the.. I love this guy. It's almost like they pulled their translator from the top of an R&B song. Like it was just like, baby,

I know I've been doing you wrong. And I, huh? What's that? Yeah, I speak Mandarin. Right now? Yeah, okay. I'll get back to y'all. But despite the lovely dinner with Xi, there are signs that Obama still may not fully trust him. President Obama will not stay at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel while attending the UN General Assembly.

The Posh Park Avenue Hotel is now owned by a Chinese company, sparking concerns that the Communist Nation could spy on top-secret communications. That's a real lazy way to commit espionage. Let's be honest. Come on, China. Is that what you guys are going to do? Oh, we're going to scale the outer wall, sneak into the window, and then we... Ah, screw it. Let's just buy the hotel.

Yeah. For more on this, we go to the Waldo for Stoia with our senior investigators, the senior, the senior, the senior, the senior, theyan, to investigate, to investigate, they, they, to investigate, their, to, to, their, is, is to, is to to to to, is to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, is to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to to thi, to to to to to to to to to too, the problem is worse than I thought. For the past three days, I've been over every inch of this presidential sweep, from the four-person jacuzzi to the 800 threadcount sheets. But I bow to stay here as long as it takes to nail this story. That's great, Al, but why are you in a robe? That's a good question, Trevor. The bigger question is, where have the Chinese hidden the bugs? My current suspicion is at the bottom of this glass.

that's a today. Ah, no, just another mimosa. Oh, you're not investigating at all. You're just lounging around in a fancy hotel on our dime. How dare you? Okay, for your information, they sent a Chinese spy to my room last night, and she interrogated me relentlessly for 90 minutes. She beat my back with her fists.

And then, you're not going to believe this, she tortured me with hot stones. Okay? But don't worry, I haven't cracked yet. What do you mean yet? I have another Chinese spy appointment in 10 minutes. Getting some seaweed face torture. This is all a waste. El Madrigal, everyone. This meant nothing. That is not investigative journalism. I want my money back. John Stewart here. Unbelievably exciting news. My new podcast, the weekly show, we're going to be talking about the election, economics, ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart wherever you get your podcast. So this is it, we meet.

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Yeah, I was thinking of getting like a like a tramp stamp That would be bad. Yeah, probably overnight, but explain it's explained the system to me Hold up both your hands. No, what you got 10 stamps already so the fingerprints? Yeah, okay. Fingerprints unique to every human being. to the traunti. to the throwns so so so so so so so soo. too. too. thinininininininin. too. too. too. they. they. thea. thea. tha. tha. tha. tha. thap-I. thaa. thaa. tha. tha. thaa. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tapp-I. tapp-I. tapp-I. tap. tap. tape. tape. tape. tape. tape. tape. tape. tape. tape. tape. tape. tamp. tamp. tamp. tamp. tamp. tamp. tamp. tamp. tamp. tamp into the country on visas for a particular period of time. These are not people who are immigrating here to stay here forever. People coming here to work or a student visa or a tourist visa, you're here for a certain period of time. Give a thumbprint when you come in, goes into a database. When you have to access certain services in those services, is it as easy as you say? Because I mean, right now you don't even have exits fingerprints when you leave the United

States. So, I mean, how do you implement them into other places? I read you talking about implementing it in like car rental places, saying that people can't rent a car rental place? But then how does that work? . So, if somebody comes in their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, to, the, to, the, the, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I, the, the, the, the, I's, I's, I's, I's, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. So, I. So, I. So, I. So, I. So, I. So, I. So, I. So, I. So, I. So, I. So, I. So, I. So, the. And, I. How. And, to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. you on the shoulder, say, thanks for coming. Where were you hiding the whole time? Oh, I'll be there the entire time.

You're going to be at all the car rental agencies at the same time? Not every one of them. This is so confusing. Not every one of the one. But I will be in the airports. Yeah. Would you not say that it's a little bit of an overshoot to try and get this going? It's a lot less expensive than a 2,000 mile wall across the entire southern border. How about that?

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Oh, who was that? Who is that? It's such an interesting one because because because because because it? like it was a lot about the infighting, you know, and I noticed you said that quite a bit. You said we don't, people are sick and tired of listening to the vicaring. They want to know what their plan is. And I didn't get to hear what your plan is. What is your plan? I only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only the plan. I plan. I plan. I plan. I plan. I plan. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the. I the. I the. the. the. that is the. thea. the. the. the. the. It was the. It was the. It was the. It was the. It was the. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was. It was. It was th. It was the. It was the. It was the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. the. the. the. It's the. It's the. It was the. Itthe number of problems we have in this country. I mean, listen, we have to reform entitlements in this country. We spend 71% of our federal budget on entitlements and debt service. That's all money we're spending looking in the rearview mirror and not looking through the windshield.

So that's really, that's overhauling Social Security and Medicare, Medicaid, Medicaid, disability insurance. There's still a lot of the the the the their, Med Med, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, threath. thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thoom. tho, th. tho, th. th. th. th. th. th, th, the federal, th, the federal th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, threat. threat. threats threats, threats, threats, threats, threats, threats, threats, threats, threats, threats, threats, threats, threats, to do that though. Well, there is. And my plan is to increase the retirement age for a couple of years, phasing in over 25 years, so it's really only going up one month a year for 25 years. And then also for people who make a lot of money in retirement. People will make more than $200,000 a year or more in retirement, they don't really need a social security check. The's security. Tek. A their their their between rent and heat and food. We've got to preserve it for those folks. The alternative, of course, is to bring more money into the government. But here's the thing. Why would we trust the government? They've already lied to us and stolen from the trust fund for Social Security. It's why we got a problem now. So we want to give the same people who is... Are you in you? No, I'm nothing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, so, so, so, so, so, so, so Chris Christie gets, he's true.

He's tricky. He's tricky. Yes. Okay, let's, let's, uh, let's, you know, let's, let's, you know, come on. the, C. I'm leaving. I'm going to get to work. Big things are, I heard you talk about, I saw it was on Twitter actually, you're saying, Dear DC, you're asking questions, dear DC. And one of the big things you seem to be opposed to is the fact that you say the GOP leadership is not working in Congress, they're not trying to move things forward. A big part of thiatsiats and that is that is thiatsansansansans. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. D, d, d, d'a. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. thi. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. thi. thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, d, d, d, d, d, d, d, d, d, d, d, d, d, d, d, d, d. D, d. D, d. D, d. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. thi. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the to. the the to. the the the the the the toe. the the the the the the the. the. the. D. to work with people. I mean, listen, I have a Democratic legislature in New Jersey. For every minute I've been governor, I have a Democratic legislature. That's not an excuse

for not doing your job. You've got to get to know these folks and you've got to find compromise. Compiise. that is limited when sometimes the people you are working with, only look at the small things that you do when trying to compromise. I remember one thea. I the thoom. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to th. to th. to to to to to to th. to th. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to th. to to to to to th. th. to to to to th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to theee. the. the. the. th do when trying to compromise. I remember one time you touched President Obama. And till this day, I shook his hand, yeah. You touched President Obama. Well, like this, we touched each other. Whatever. And the point is, to this day, some people in your party haven't let you live that down.

Can you change that? Well, I touch him! I admit it, I did. I admit it, I did. But you know, I work with Democrats in my state all the time because the people elected them. And so you got to work with them. It's not an option. And what's happened in Washington now is that people think it's an option. And it's an option to close the government. It's an option not to talk to the other side. That should not be the option the option be an option be an option be an option be an option be an option be an option be an option be an option be an option be an option be an option be the option. the option. the option. the option. the option. the option. the option. the option. the option. the option. the option. the option. the option. the the the the option. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the people. the the the the the the the the the people. the the the thoea. the people thoooooooooooooooooooe. the people. the people the people the the people the the the the the people the the the people the the the there to work, to govern. And that's what I've done in New Jersey. You know, we don't mean we always agree, but we find compromises, and we've compromised on a bunch of stuff over time that's made the state a better place, and that's what you've got to do. So then the biggest obstacle you face right now Chris Christie do in this situation to get those numbers

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