The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Roy Wood Jr. Unpacks January 6th with Jordan Klepper and Chris Hayes | Beyond the Scenes

Episode Date: January 5, 2024

Beyond the Scenes host, Roy Wood Jr., sits with Daily Show contributor, Jordan Klepper, and MSNBC political commentator, Chris Hayes, one year after the January 6 insurrection at the Capitol. They discuss how right-wing media tried to alter the narrative of the events that day and the state of American democracy moving forward.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I mean, talk about innovative. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. You're listening to Comedy Central. Hey, welcome to Beyond the Scencees. This is the podcast that goes above and beyond the topics that you see every night on the daily show with Trevor Noah on Comedy Central. Now, this week marks the one-year anniversary. I don't even like the word anniversary because I don't want to keep remembering this thing, but the January 6th uprising that went down at the Capitol, the insurrection, a bunch of

Trump supporters went there and lost their damn minds and violently tried to stop the certification of electoral votes by storming the Capitol, even to say it loud, it's surreal. So we have two the the the the the the the the the the word the the word the word the word the word the word to to to to the word to the word the word to the word the word the word the word the word the word the word the word the word the word the word to the word the word to to to to to their to to to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the word. I the word. I the word. I the word. I the word. I the word. I the word. I the word. I the word. I the word. I the word. I'm the word. I'm the word. the word. the word. the word. the word. the word. the word. the word. the word. the word. the word. the word. the word. the word. the word. I the word. the stop the certification of electoral votes by storming the Capitol, even to say it aloud, it's surreal. So we have two people with us on the program today to help us break this down. The first gentleman is, he's an Emmy-nominated Daily Show contributor, and he was there all the time, mixing it up with the Trump supporters. And if it's anyone that is not a fan of his activities, it is surreal, it's a, the, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, to, to at the Capitol, and he's always there all the time, mixing it up with the Trump supporters. And if it's anyone that is not a fan of his activities, it is his wife and child.

He is Jordan Cleppard. Yes, I was there with my Emmy nomination where I should be. Thank you, Roy. Well, Jordan, our next guess is an Emmy winner. Okay, all right. And that's why you put it in there? That's why you put it in there. I was about to hop in when you said Emmy nominated and be like, wait a second. But then I was like, oh, that's Jordan. Oh, that's Jordan. Okay. Go ahead.

Go ahead. He's the host of MSNBCs all in with Chris Hayes. How you doing? Good. I just am conjuring a very funny notion in my head of like Jordan in the midst of the insurrection and people like starting to get a little like chesty with him being like, I'm Emmy nominated. I just want you to know, maybe you should back off a little bit because I've got an Emmy nomination. Chris, I'd like to start with you because you get to exist in a place that you don't have the burden of having to find a punchline in between vomits of information to your viewers.

The revisionist history. I just vomit straight. Unleavened by punchlines. Yeah, that's what we're going for. Yeah. The revisionist history that's what we're going for. Yeah. The revisionist history that has happened around why the insurrection happened, whether or not we can vilify the insurrectionist, because like we're still at a point right now where they're still identifying people from the footage. Some have gone to jail some have been convicted. But they're still stitching some of this stuff together. I want to play a clip real quick of just Republicans flip-flopping their positions. Let's just start with our elected officials and their opinions of the uprising. The president bears responsibility for Wednesday's attack on Congress by Ma Briad.

We were so successful under President Trump. The last thing we want to do is be fighting among ourselves. We've had a hell of a journey. All I can say is, uh, count me out. Enough is enough. It's impossible for this party to move forward without President Trump being its leader. So you think it was an impeachable offense? Oh sure. How do you agree Trump as president? Oh, listen. Overall, I give the president and A. When you lose all these people, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the th. the th. th. the the th. the the th. the the th. the their th. thi. to. to. thi. th. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, t. te. te. te. te. te. te. the the te. the te. the the the the the te. the the the te. the the te. toe. toe. to toe. toe. to. overall I give the president a day. When you lost Lindsay Graham, when you lose all these people, when Tom Cotton says it's time for you to concede, I think that you've gone over the top. He couldn't even use his own Twitter account because he's been justifiably suspended for the last 24 hours.

There was nothing about that speech that was inside phone. The president also used the term peacefully go down there. He didn't the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. th. they. they. they. they. they. they. the the they. the the the they. the they. the they. the the the the the the th. there. He didn't just say go down there and take the capital over. Chris, yeah, you hear all of that flip-flopping and you see it every day on a regular basis as you prep for your Emmy winning program. Chris, are we crazy just are we crazy for just trying to make sure people understand just how heinous this was. Are we are we that? No, it's been it's been a huge focus of the show for the past year precisely because of the revisionist history. I mean I think there's to me there's there's a few layers to it right. One is it like particularly in the context of the American criminal justice system, the way in which policing operates particularly on people of color, what we've seen with George Floyd, like the idea that people are going

to turn around and excuse like mob violence after all this whipping up of this frenzy about it, you know, in the same moment, in the same program they'll be like, hey, check out this smash and grab operation that happened that took a bunch of purses. Oh, and also like, it wasn't that big a deal when they like, you know, dragged a cop down the stairs and and threatened his life. But so there's that aspect of it, which is like the idea that there's no actual standard for behavior, that like if you're on our side it's fine and if you're on the other side it's not, which I think is like an incredibly trumpyan notion, and I think it's a conservative notion before that, and I think, you know, liberals can fall prey to it too, but it's on such display potently here. So there's the sort of excuses of minimization.

Then there's the just like crazy disinformation of like, it was the feds, it was antifah, like, trying to come up with these increasingly that's really important, is people want to say, oh, well, that, you know, there's some people will say, well, what they did, you know, obviously violence is wrong, what they did, the capital is wrong, but like the 150, whatever, 50 members of Congress, the republicans, the eight or nine members of the Senate, votes, like the entire project was insidious. The entire project was authoritarian.

The entire project, whether they were like at the ellipse and they were doing it peacefully, or it was just Josh Hawley like the casting a vote. Yeah, exactly. Like, that is the culmination and that itself is in a sort of special place. But the whole project was to overturn a democratic election and install an authoritarian leader over the will of the people by whatever means....... the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, and, and the, and the, and the will of the people by whatever means. Whether that means was Mike Pence ruling in a certain way, whether the means was, you know, using loopholes in the Electoral Count Act to get state delegations together to deliver

the vote, like whatever it was, the whole project was rotten to the core. And you can't just say, well, yes, what they did at the Capitol was wrong the whole project was wrong. My thing though in a weird way Clepper like I understand politicians flip-flopping because they have a check behind the things that they say they have a real motivation. The voters on the other hand who decide to go and be a part of this in spite of all of the, because people love to say, they love to say, well I'm doing my research, well if you've done a little bit more research, stupid ass wouldn't be out here on January. Well the voters don't have

a check and they're probably not going to get one, but they do have an identity. and I think that's that's that's that's that's that's thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi the thi thi thi the thi thi thi their their thi their thi thi thi their thi. to to to thi. to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go their their their their their their their their their their their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. toe. today. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. but they do have an identity. And I think that's the thing that I see people clinging to. The thing that surprised me most when I went to a Trump event in Iowa a few months back, and we brought up January 6th. Like there is, there was no coherent narrative as to what it happened on January 6th. And some people, yes, what happened was wrong because Antifa were instigators. It was wrong because FBI, CIA, NASA, and any organization you want to throw out there. Some people said it wasn't wrong. What did NASA do?

Like that Ashley Babbitt was, as a hero and there should have been more Ashley's out, their thoats. And to me again, that all has to do with, more often than I would go out when when when when when when when when when when the the to go and I would to go and I would go and I would go out, when to go out, to go out, to go out, to go out, to go out, to go out, to go out, to go out, to go out, to go out, and I would go out, and I would go out, and I would to to go out and I would on the sixth. And to me again, that all has to do with, more often than not when I would go out in the field and talk to folks, you don't need a coherent philosophy behind what happened, or even a coherent narrative. You just need a foothold to get you to the next, the next thing. And at that point it was like, oh, you know, so much misinformation and BS has been spewed since that, that like, yeah, you can read something about the FBI, Antifa, you can believe it didn't happen,

or you can believe it did happen and should have happened. It doesn't all have to fit. It just has to get you on to the next thing. And I, for one, though, was surprised how quickly that information and that those disjuncted narratives came. came about. Thanks to online bullshit, they have a very interesting take on who was behind the January 6th insurrection. Oh, Antifa, like the corrupt FBI, basically rhinos, corrupt politicians, the deep state, all of that.

I don't believe it was people like me and people like you see over there in that crowd that did it. Who was behind? FDICIA, Antifa Antifa were used, other groups like that. It seemed like a lot of them were going into the Capitol to attack Nancy Pelosi and perhaps hang. Who? Who? Who? Who? Which one? The one with the bullhorns, he's not a Trump supporter. I don't care what his resume says. He's not a Trump supporter. In fact, do you remember remember the the the the the the the the the the fact, do you remember the picture of the plane in Afghanistan

with all the people running next to it? That was a balloon plane. If you look at the pictures of the real plane, and there's pieces that are missing from the real plane to that plane. So you're saying there's a conspiracy around the Afghanistan withdrawal. No, I'm saying that there was one guy there who ran. It's the only guy who turned to the camera and waved his hands. Do y'all remember that? Everybody remember that?

He's the guy with the horns on his hat. He was in Afghanistan. Yes, go look at the pictures. I think he's in jail right now. Did you go for the JFK Junior dead body return from the death? Oh, no, are you kidding? I got, trust me, I'm into my frequent flyer miles. That one's, that one's on the list. I get more, I get more tweets about that. How do you come to this?

Are you coming? Are you coming? It's almost like, you're, you're, your homiee. them they're waiting for you. I do think there's a little bit of a distinction because like that that is like the hardest of the hard like that is like that is genuine mass delusion in a really acute sense I think that what's on display more broadly among the sort of grassroots right is also a form of mass illusion but a little more grounded and familiar things like it's funny what you're just saying, Jordan there, because I've had this experience too.

It's the mode of operating that you operate in if you're in the heat of like a bad fight with a person that you love or like a, or an argument with someone, like whether it's a sibling or a friend or a spouse, where you're just churning through justification. Like you're just trying like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like just like I won't concede I'm not going to give in you in this moment I it's like it's all will you're not like conversing you're not like examining the evidence I mean I'm saying this is

when like you're in a bad bad mode sort of it's all it's all it's all the toilet seat has been left up like okay but is that is that is that is moment, it's all I have. Is this a relationship podcast? Are we talking politics? I'm sorry. No, I just think there's like a there's a collective defensiveness which is like you've put me on the spot and I'm not going to concede to you putting me on the spot and whatever it takes to to defuse that. Ashley Babba's like, whatever I have to say to sort when you talk about like getting to that, like getting like getting that next that next that next that next getting that next that next that next that next that next that next that next that next that next that next to that next to to to the next to to to to to to to to the next to to to to to to the next getting the next to to to to to get to get to get to get to get to get to to to to the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next getting the next getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting getting the next getting the next getting the next getting to get getting to get getting to get getting to get getting to get getting to get getting to to get to get into to get into to get. to get. to get. to get. to to get. to get. to to get. to to to to to get to want to concede because then I'm, I'm giving away some power to you and I feel already oppressed by you. And that I think is, is the kind of operational mode of a lot of people in the kind of like Maga Corps where it really isn't coherent. Like I mean, one of my favorite story is like, and I'm sure, maybe you guys have seen this, but it was like a few days after the insurrection where there was like a guy who was in it who had to go on his Facebook page to be like, I see all these people blaming Antifa. I'm telling you I was there.

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There's a bunch of different stories that are thrown out to move on to the next topic, distract or mass exculpate the folks involved so that you can get back to the real thing, which is that the Libs are oppressing you in whatever way. And that's what I want to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e. toe. to get to after the break, because I'm just I'm curious about the MSNBC Chris Hayes news curation process because we're always stuck at the Daily Show with, do we follow the crazy thing that just happened that's being reconstituted or something different, or do we follow the new crazy thing that is happening or is about to happen? And I'm very curious how you decide which ones to bring to light on your show. This is beyond the scenes.

We'll be right back. And in doing that, is that how you achieve an Emmy? I guess is the other question. Well, that's, yeah. I mean, that's awesome. You have to sign up for you about my new podcast, The Weekly Show, coming out every Thursday. We're going to be talking about the election, earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about

ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday? Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. How are we doing this, Jordan Clepper, Chris Hayes? Are we saying, J6? Do we say never forget? Do we say always forget? Yeah, I think it's just important to keep saying the date because I think five years from now there's a legitimate chance we go from January 5th to January 7th on the Gregorian calendar. And so whatever you do, just make sure you repeat the date so people understand that it is a moment in time.

Can we just agree a moment in time? That day never existed. It just didn't happen. We the the date the date the date the date the date the date the date the date the date the date the date the date the date the date the date the date the date the date the date. So people. So people the date the date. So people the date. So people the date. So people the date the date. So people the date. So people to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the date. So people. So people. So people. So people. So people. So people. So people. So people. So people. So people. So people. So people. So people. So people. So people. So people. So people. So people. the date. the date. the date. the date. the date. the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. the th. th. the the the th. the the th. the the th. the the th. the. the. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. the. We just agree a moment in time. That day never existed. It just didn't happen. We can you believe it? We remember the Alamo. Do you know what happened at the Alamo? It was a terrible loss. It was poorly planned. Davy Crockett went down. The guy who created the Bowie knife went down. Like, that's a terrible story. We should forget that. Poor planning on America's part. Yet we remember that. January 6th. We could. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. the th. th. th. the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to the th. the the th. to to to to to to to to the to to the to the to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We're th. We're th. We're the. We're the. We're the. We're te. We're toda. We're toda. We're today. We're. today. We remember. today. today. today. to. We remember. We remember. January 6th. We could take a lot of lessons from that and we are We are we are trashing it as quick as we can. I'll be honest as a black person I am closely monitoring January 6th to make sure that it doesn't bleed over into Martin Luther King Weekend yeah, it's a little close dangerous could turn it to a week long then it's a whole month and then you got MLK in the middle of resurrection this month or whatever the hell they're going

to call it. Patriot Month. Patriot Month. So Chris, on your program on MSNBC, we just spoke about the misinformation and what motivates it. How and what do you decide to report on your show? Number one, just on some just straight up mental health shit, how do you stay calm? Just in the morning, when you're just reading the headlines, how do you remain calm and measured as you deliver news that people are going to Dallas to see the dead body come out of the ground? I mean, is it a possible goal and stay calm, Chris? Because we know you're going to go all in. Like you have you do you do you do you do you do you do you do you do do you do you you you do you you you you you to to you you to to to to to you you you to to to you to to you to to to you to to to you you you to stay you you to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay to stay th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. How th th. How th th. How th th th th th th th th th th th th. How th th. How do thi. How do the the the the the the the the the the that. the that that the the the thi thi thi th see the dead body come out of the ground. Is it impossible to go and stay calm, Chris,

because we know you're going to go all in. Like, you have to. That's just, that's the brand. You've got to go all in. And so in the morning, are you like, should I just go half of the way in and stay calm? Or no, this is what the people want. Like I'm, I, I, I, I, I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to, to. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, too, to, too, to, to, mean, I think that what I try to do is, I definitely think that I've spent a lot more time

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has really faced in this particular way. It's faced peril in many different ways and wasn't really actually a democracy for the, you know, the vast majority of the country's existence. So it's not like there's some like beautiful Halcyon days to look back on, but what happened, I mean, this is the thing that we focus on and we focus a lot on January 6th specifically, but more broadly, like the fate of American democracy, is that it's hard, I think, in the same way that I think the first days, in the first weeks and months of the pandemic were hard, it is hard to get your heads around the scope and enormity of what you're dealing with. But like, if if the the the the the the the the the the the th, if the th, if th, if th, if the the th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th........ th. th. th. And, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, thin, thin, th. thin. th. thin. th. th. th. thin. th. th. th. thin. th. th. th the scope and enormity of what you're dealing with. But like, if they had pulled it off, it really would have been the case that the fundamental

precept that undergirds this whole thing, which is that the people choose their leaders, not the other way around, and that a majority of people is what stands in for the whole when you're dealing with democratic elections, to cast that out, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, you, th, th th th th the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is th is the, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to thi to to thi to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, democratic elections, to cast that out, you know, really would have been an enormous epoch break with what we've had before and that still threat still looms over us. Can I ask a question, Chris? Like, you talk about the, the insurrection was something that had been happening the week beforehand and was happening behind closed doors. Are you at all afraid that in the discussion of this and how, perhaps the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the media, the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to, to, to, to, to, to, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, thiia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thee, thee, thee, thee, toea, toea, toea, toea, toea, toa, toa, toa, toa, toa, toa, toa, toea, toea, toea, to had been happening the week beforehand and was happening behind closed doors. Are you at all afraid that in the discussion of this and how perhaps the media frames it and also just the mindset of those who digest it, we're going to go down this rabbit hole and it's all going to be about whether or not Donald Trump gave the go ahead to

you go straight ahead? Yeah, that's a great point. It's something I'm really trying hard to avoid because I think we saw that in some ways with what happened with the The Russia story, which was like, oh, we got him. We're gonna get him And also like, while right and it's but it's also like take a step back. It's like they the Russians wanted Donald Trump to be president sought to aid his campaign. The campaign privately and publicly welcomed their help. Like, and then they committed a variety of very serious crimes to sabotage his opponent. Those three things we knew from the jump. Like, so, and then, you know, and understandably got into the motor, then it was like, well, they didn't find this smoking gun where he, you know,

called up Vladimir Putin and said, hack Hillary, whatever. It's like, well, he said it on, he said it on camera. I mean, he said, we're going to go down to the Capitol now. He literally instructed the crowd. We're going to walk down to the Capitol. And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women. And we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. It was like he'd grab them and he bold them, you know, down Pennsylvania Avenue. So I agree that it's important to keep what is publicly known is unbelievably damning, would

disqualify him from ever holding any position of public trust ever, and I think there's a plausible criminal case to be made against him under federal law. He certainly should have been impeached. He certainly should have been disqualified from ever holding public office. If we learn nothing new, starting now, and I think your point is well taken and something that we really try on the show to avoid, which is we're constantly resetting what are the publicly known facts and what they say about the danger of this individual and the movement that he leads and the threat it poses to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the danger of this individual and the movement

that he leads and the threat it poses to American democracy, whether or not we find out even more damning details, which I suspect we will. Chris, on your show, Trump loyalists and insurrectionists, you generally, for the most part, don't swim in those waters or talking to those types of people. Is that in the effort to keep the misinformation misinformation misinformation misinformation misinformation misinformation misinformation misinformation misinformation misinformation misinformation misinformation misinformation misinformation to to to to the to th. their thiiiii. their thi. their thi. their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to those types of people. Is that in the effort to keep the misinformation to a minimum and not allow people to use your show as a vessel for misinformation? Like what won't me through the strategy in that? Yeah, I mean we actually had two of them on the night and it was sort of interesting. We had these two folks that were the people thatating the January 6th committee, mostly because they feel thrown under the bus by Trump,

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only about 200 people can hear what's actually going on. So you have essentially 29,000 people who are milling about and when you're interviewing people and perhaps the people are getting upset or somebody's like, I think I know that guy, well then the two people who are watching become 10 become 50 and it becomes dangerous there. So even if you're not immediately recognized, we have to be savvy because there is a there is a mob mentality when you have a camera up. Yeah, there's always something I find like unnatural and and can sometimes be kind of foreboding about the role a camera plays in a crowd and what it does to help people behave around it, independent of people's politics or ideological commitments. Just generally I've had that experience. Well and also it's, they're dressing for it now.

We make a lot of jokes about the apparel at a Magharelli. And what it's become so fascinating is people are going there to dress for being on camera on the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their role their role their their role their their role their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their role their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the thro. role role their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their jokes about the apparel at a Maga Raleigh. And what has become so fascinating is people are going there to dress for being on camera, for being recognized by Donald Trump or other folks. It's, you know, so they suddenly walk down an aisle, which is essentially a dressing room and costume department. They pick out the most extreme points of view that you could fit onto a t-shirt. They put them on, and what we start noticing, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the. We. the. We. We. thea. We. We have. We have. We. tea. We. tea. We. We're, th. We're, thea. thea. thea. the could fit onto a t-shirt. They put them on and what we started noticing too, and then they're starting, then they have to answer questions about the view that they just put on their chest, which some of

them have that view. Some of them have just adopted that view. And now this camera is starting to craft a narrative around that person who has this thing on their chest theeeeea thea thea thea thea the. the. the. the. the. the. the, the, thii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they have they have they have they have they have their their their their their their their, their, their, th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, than, than, than, than, than, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, they're they're they're they're the chest that they speak for, that maybe they just wanted that attention, but they're already now creating this narrative, which is only grown in the last two years. Chris, there is definitely a lot of disagreeing on whether or not facts or factual. Therefore, journalism, when you report the facts, which is your job as a journalist,

could be seen as an opinion. What say you to people who believe that people of your ilk, and I'm talking just primetime news in general, are based in opinionated journalism and not factual journalism, is there a way to unblur the lines where at least, even if we don't agree on the solution, can we at least agree on what the facts are? Or it's just if you're an opinionated journalist and if that's what I am to you, that's just what it's got to be. Yeah, I mean, that's a, it's such a deep question. It's hard to talk through it because I've spent probably 20 years thinking about various versions of this all the way back to being a philosophy and undergrad and thin thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's that's thi, thi, that's that's that's that's just that's just that's just that's just, that's just, that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's thi.. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's that's thi. that's thi. that's that's that's what that's what I that's what I think about what I do is that I have a point of view and a perspective and a set of values that

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it's like the world contains so many facts that in some ways what's more insidious than lies, and lies are insidious we see with a big lie, is which facts you choose to focus on, and so much destruction and so much ruin can happen based on which facts you choose to focus on. And so much destruction and so much ruin can happen based on which facts people choose to use their platforms. Amy Winner. I'm glad you too. Yeah. I'm glad you too.

I could feel that Emmy nomination just cracking inside of me. After the break, I want to talk to you all about where we're headed. I don't know if this is going to be a new holiday. I'm a the the the the to talk to you all about where we're headed. I don't know if this is going to be a new holiday. I don't know if our kids are going to start getting Jan 6 out of school for their own safety. I don't know, but I am curious about where we go from here and the role that the media plays in this. This is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back. I am here to tell you about my new podcast, The Weekly Show, it's going to be coming out

every Thursday. So exciting. You'll be saying to yourself, TGID, thank God it's Thursday. We're going to be talking about all the things that hopefully obsess you in the same way that they obsess me. The election. Economics. Earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. And I know that I listed

that fourth, but in importance it's probably second. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday? I mean, talk about innovative. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. The big was the biggest failure in reporting as it relates to January 6th. Let's critique our media co-workers here. I would say that one thing that happened and I think that I actually think it's been, I think the reporting in the wake of it's been quite good. I think one misapprehension people had when watching it was that it was kind of goofy.

And I think that was because of what the cameras were showing as opposed to what they weren't showing. So because you have cameras in the galleries, you know, what you saw was like the cue shaman comes in and he sits on the chair and it all seems like stunty and weird. They're all like recording themselves. It's only later when you start to get the footage of the cop who's, like, like, like in the door and Michael Phenone being dragged through and the body cam footage and the assaults and like And then the, you know, Ashley Babbitt attempting to vault through that broken window and the gunshot that that killed her. So I think there was a little bit of a misapprehension in the beginning. I think it's probably stuck with the th. the the th th thson's one example, have tried to like keep that going, like, oh, isn't this a goofy,

funny, like, it's ridiculous to be scared of these people? What are you talking about? So, so I think that's a misapprehension there was completely messed up. Like, I don't think it's a, I don't think the problem with January 6 is that people don't get that it was bad. Or, you know, I just think that there's, the bigger problem is this, that fundamentally the Republican parties and institution is radicalized against democracy and that they have, that there has been a slow, the institutions of the country have been slow to recognize that, and they have faced no political price for it among voters.

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people with no more, but Right, right. Exactly. It continues. Sorry, didn't you. Those attentional questions are really hard ones. They're ones I struggle with, too. And I don't know the answer to them. But you know, there are a lot of people that are paying a lot of very close attention. There are a lot of people who understand what, their think, you know, in some ways I think there's an argument made that you've never had more discussions about democracy itself

as a sort of topic of conversation in my political life, you know, where the issue about like are we going to maintain democracy, are we going to strengthen democracy is like an actual topic of conversation that wasn't really the case I think like 10 or 12 or 15 years ago. What could we expect when it comes to the future of democracy being a tech? Because the thing that I find that's interesting now is that a lot of the people that stir at the pot in 2016 have been deplatformed. So a lot of the ways that these types of people can find each other and the hornet's nest can be stirred up is not the same. Trump is not on television as much.

A lot of his cronies are not on television as much. So could they still mobilize like this again? Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, I don't know what the future holds. I know that Republicans have worked very hard to put people in positions to do and pull off what they were not able to do and pull off last time. You have the Secretary of State being primary in Georgia. You got the Secretary of State election in Arizona with sort of like avowed adherence to the big lie pro-cou forces. You've got a pro-coo primary challenge of the governor of Georgia, right? All these people essentially, whether they're saying implicitly or in some cases explicitly, saying like, I will do what was not done before, which is deliver power into the hands of the candidate who lost, because I don't recognize the

legitimacy of the majority because they're not my people, right? So I really worry about that. And look, at one level, like, there's technical problems here about the way that the law works and who's administering elections, but there's sort of a deeper problem. Like, I think about this old Yogi Berra line where he says, you know, they should move first, their space, their tasks, the first, where you put the base, right? It's like, if you have one of two major American coalitions mobilized against democracy with the belief that the other side is illegitimate, by definition, and cannot legitimately win, whatever happens technically around election law, like, matters, but ultimately, like, the threat is that, that's the deep threat, and threat, and threat, and threat, and threat, and threat, threat, and threat, threat, threat, threat, threat, threat, threat, threat, threat, threat, threat but ultimately like the threat is that. That's the deep threat and that threat is there and growing. And so I don't know what it looks like,

how it plays out, but look, elections end when the loser acknowledges they're over. Like as a functional matter, that's the definition of the end of an election. And that can't be, if there's a side that will never acknowledge that, then that, we're in totally different territory. So it sounds like we're fucked, Jordan. I think that's what you're saying? But if cooler heads can prevail, then it's going to be all right. And there's a lot of cooler heads out there. You talk to them all the time. So yeah, let me send you some links.

It'll put a lot of faith in humanity and our democracy. There are cooler heads out there. There are people who did the right thing last time, and I think civic, a sense of solemn civic duty, who did the right thing the last time around. I hope they're there the next time. And I also hope that those people are having lots of sex and making more people just like them, so that my child has a decent world.

And that's how we're going to end this segment. You add most podcasts like that. I feel like I've heard you really really really that that that that that you're really wishing sex upon people. I'm just wishing lessons upon people. So with that, Jordan Clepper and Chris Hayes of MSNBC, all in with Chris Hayes, every night on MSNBC. The podcast is why is this happening to Chris Hayes? One is an Emmy winner. One is an Emmy nominee soon to be any winner with all the hard work that that that that that that that that that that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he is that that that that th winner with all the hard work that he is doing out there in the streets. I wish you all a happy... Do you think we're gonna have retail sales around the resurrection? I take that. That would be fine. I would I would take just maybe...

I wish you a happy resurrection? Insurrection? Insurrection. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm thinking about Christmas. No, that's Easter. Oh, yeah. Okay, I'm a Christian. I think I've had enough. Okay.

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