The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Sarah Silverman Reports The World's Average Penis Size Increased | Jia Tolentino

Episode Date: February 17, 2023

Sarah Silverman tackles the day's news, including Nikki Haley's controversial opening speaker, North Korea's ban on anyone having the same name as Kim Jong Un's daughter, and studies stating that the ...average penis length has increased. New Yorker staff writer and bestselling author Jia Tolentino discusses how Big Tech companies profit off of our emotions on social mediaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:49 gonna miss you rich you dumb bastard. Take care Charlie you ugly piece of shit. Steve your wife's cheating on you. We've got a great show for you tonight so let's get into headlines. Let's begin with Kim Jong-un, the only brutal dictator made in a build-a-bear workshop. This week, the North Korean leader announced a new law that no one else in the country can have the same name as his 10-year-old daughter, Jouet. And this hits me personally because I'm... You're ahead of it.
Starting point is 00:02:30 I'm pretty Jeway. But just imagine how much this would suck for all the other Jeways out there. You know, they got to change their name now. You got to switch your name on your internet bill, your cable bill, your newspaper subscription. I mean, they don't have those there, but still. Moving on to some important news from the world of science. I was listening to the radio yesterday and I heard something that stopped me short. Take a listen.
Starting point is 00:02:59 It's now 503 and penis length is on the rise. I'm sorry. What kind of radio station is this? We've got weather on the ones and penis on the three. But yes, according to a new study, the average erect penis length has increased 24% over the last three decades to 5.5 inches. Yeah, I know, right? Look at that. Women in the audience are going, that's it, and the men are like, oh, thank God. Now, no one is sure why this happened.
Starting point is 00:03:41 My theory is that at some point around 1993, men started measuring their penises starting from their assholes. This is not how we expected men to evolve over the last 30 years. Women have been saying, please, we just want you to be more in touch with your emotions and men are like, all we can give you is a longer dick. And we're like, okay, we'll take it. Well, let's move on to the 2024 presidential race where GOP candidate Nikki Haley, launched your campaign with a rally that featured a very interesting opening act.
Starting point is 00:04:21 This is John Hagee. He is an American pastor and a televangelist with a history of making outlandishly offensive comments. In 2006, he claimed that Hurricane Katrina was God's way of punishing the city for allowing a gay pride parade. He once claimed that God sent Hitler to hunt the Jewish people as part of a divine plan to drive them back to the land of Israel. And he claimed women are only meant to be mothers and bare children. But Pastor Hagee has found a presidential candidate who is willing to embrace him. Today he gave the opening prayer for the presidential campaign kickoff for former Governor Nikki Haley. To Pastor Hage, I still say I I can appreciate Hitler as much as you do.
Starting point is 00:05:08 I mean, right now my appreciation of Hitler is like here. I want to get it up. Get it up to about here. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. And look, you know, sure, this guy thinks the Holocaust is good and that's not good, but on the bright side, he does believe it happened. You know, you got to take the W is where you can't.
Starting point is 00:05:37 But Pastor Hagee wasn't the only notable person there last night. Jordan Clepper also headed down to Nikki Haley's rally for another installment of Fingers the Pulse. Check it out. Nicky Haley, the former South Carolina governor and Trump UN ambassador, has decided to throw her hat in the ring and run against her old boss. So I went to her campaign launch in South Carolina to see if the party was really ready to turn the page. Are you excited about Nikki Haley for president? Very excited. She's done great things for South Carolina. She's tough. She's a woman, women
Starting point is 00:06:15 rule. The Republican Party needs a change and we need some with Nikki's foreign policy expertise. I love Donald Trump, but I think that she has more of a feminine finesse. You think Trump has a harder time with communicating with ladies. He has a harsher approach when it comes to women. He sometimes has to pay for it. He sometimes has a hard time navigating it. Yes. I mean, I think she's really running to get like, I don't think she'll win.
Starting point is 00:06:41 So this is just sort of like batting practice. It's just fun to be here, why not? BP or president, I was curious to see how Haley could win over ardent Trump supporters. I voted for Trump, but I certainly will not be doing that again. When did Trump lose your support? The nail in the coffin for me with Donald Trump? Let me guess. Charlotte, the kids in cages? the takages? Let me guess. Charlotte's bill. No. But, okay, let me guess.
Starting point is 00:07:05 You're not going to guess it. Kids and Cages? Nope. The interrection January 6th. Nope. Oh, okay. Wait, hold on. First impeachment.
Starting point is 00:07:13 Nope. Okay. Inviting White supremacistness over to Marlao. criticizing DeSantis before his election. Wouldn't have guessed it. So that's the line right there. That was the nail on the car before. I would have guessed it. I told you you wouldn't the guess it. I know.
Starting point is 00:07:31 I'm with a safety 30 minutes? This is why you come out and talk to people. You're constantly surprised. Yep. Haley has been either a strong Trump critic. the time of day. Could this pose a problem? Did you feel like she sufficiently stood up to Donald Trump when she needed to? I think she has and I think Nikki He has not afraid to stand up to any male or female with her voice of opinion. Yeah, so after January 6th she wasn't afraid to say this is disgusting. That's right. And then a couple weeks later to say they were being too hard on him. Yes, yes, we agree I agree. I I I I I I I agree. I agree. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I agree, I agree, I th. th. th. th. thi thi thi. thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the. to the. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi being too hard on them. Yes, yes. We agree, I agree, totally.
Starting point is 00:08:05 An individual respects you if you can stand up to them. So something awful happens like Charlottesville. She speaks her mind. Charlottesville happens she's not afraid to criticize Trump, walk right in there and hand in her 52-week notice. Right is right. She knows right from wrong. It's a campaign that's distancing itself from the far right fringe. Except if you look closely at Haley's first speaker, Pastor John Hage, who has unusual views on the weather. As a candidate, you have that responsibility to not get in the gutter.
Starting point is 00:08:35 So hopefully we can stay in a more positive place. Well the first person I saw on stage was Pastor Hagee who thinks hurricanes are a punishment for gay people. Is that really what he said? How long ago was that? That was a, that was wrong Katrina. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's an interesting opening act. Pastor Hagee has said that hurricanes were God's punishment for gays.
Starting point is 00:08:57 Oh no. Preaches the gospel. I mean, I, I followed him for years. Yeah, but maybe if she wants to moderates, come in with a little bit more of a moderate pass-through, think something more acceptable, like tornadoes are caused by too much masturbation. Oh my goodness, yeah, that's way out there. That's too far. Oh yeah. Got it.
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Starting point is 00:11:15 but on the basic decency of the other side. Growing shares in each party now describe those in the other party as more closed-minded, dishonest, immoral, and unintelligent. According to an NBC poll, 62% of college Democrats say they would not dorm with a Republican. 80% of Americans now have few or no friends across the aisle. In a poll before the last election, 15% of Republicans and 20% of Democrats agreed that the country would be better off if large numbers of the opposing party just died. We'd be better off if the other side just died? What? That's crazy. Please, think about it.
Starting point is 00:12:03 The entire country would be haunted by the ghosts of your enemies. Enemies who, by the way, can and will watch you masterbe. And why can't you share a dorm room with someone you disagree with politically? It's a difference of opinion, not airborne Clomidia. Also, it would be great to dorm with a Republican. Do you know how fun it would be to sexile someone who doesn't even believe in premarital sex? Sorry, don't come in. We're drying our wet spot with your All Lives Matter shirt. So the question is, how did we as a country become this divided?
Starting point is 00:12:51 Let's talk about it in our latest installment of Long Story Short. Outrage in America isn't new, it's one of our oldest pastimes, right behind baseball and racism. But what is new is just how much money entire industries are making off our outrage. Starting with social media, their entire business model depends on keeping your eyeballs on the screen until your tookest gets numb on the toilet scene. And nothing does that better than anger. I've actually been on the toilet with my phone so long that I pee again. In 2018, an internal Facebook report showed that their algorithm purposely feeds users' divisive content in order to increase time
Starting point is 00:13:46 on their platform. We've all experienced this. I mean, personally, I am way more likely to click on some dudes transphobic rants than another picture of my cousin's twins. I mean, don't get me wrong. Both those kids are f-ed up in their own, truly fascinating way. They're not keeping me scrolling till 2 a.m.m.m.m.m.m. I.m. I. I. I. I.m.m. I tm.m.m.m. I tod-a.m.m.m.m. I the theired up in their own truly fascinating way, but they're not keeping me scrolling till 2 a.m. And once the algorithm figures out what pisses you off, it runs with it, right off a cliff.
Starting point is 00:14:14 In the summer of 2019, Facebook ran an experiment. It created a fake account for a 41-year-old mom living in North Carolina. They called her Carol Smith. Carol started off by liking a few popular conservative Facebook pages like Fox News, Donald Trump and Melania Trump. But quickly, Facebook began dragging her down a rabbit hole of misinformation. After only two days, two days, Facebook recommended Carol follow a Q-N-on page. And a few days later it suggested she follow another. By week three of the experiment Carol's feet had
Starting point is 00:14:50 become quote a constant flow of misleading and polarizing content and so Facebook began sending push notifications. One notification was actually to a Facebook post claiming Barack Obama was born in Kenya. Wow Facebook radicalized a person in just three weeks. Even ISIS was like, why can't we get numbers like that? And that's just one example. Everything on the internet is so sweaty. I bought one credenza from West Delman 2016 and ever since then they've been emailing me like five times a day. And by the fifth fifth one they're so desperate they're like if you check out our new throw pillows we'll suck your d'i? But as bad as the
Starting point is 00:15:36 internet is studies show that it's nothing compared to how cable news increases polarization because at least on the internet different viewpoints sneak their way into your feeds but nobody on earth is flip-tip- they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're like like like like like like like they're like they're like like like th. th. th. th. they're like like like like like like like they're like they're like like like th. they're like like like like like like like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like they're like th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their their th. th. their th. their the th. the the th theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. their their their their their their the internet, different viewpoints sneak their way into your feeds, but nobody on earth is flipping back and forth between MSNBC and Fox News, except for me. Because I like to break out of my bubble and watch the reverse mortgage commercials from both sides. Now all the major cable news networks rile you up, but no one is better at it than Fox News.
Starting point is 00:16:11 They've become the top cable news network by making their viewers livid, and they're not subtle about it either. This story will have you fired up this morning. U.S. soldiers now learning about the dangers of white privilege. We have a story that will make your blood boil. Infamist Social Justice Warrior, Colin Copernick is now the brand new face of a Nike ad campaign. If you just paid your taxes, this next story will piss you off. This is going to enrage you.
Starting point is 00:16:39 They're going to be outraged. Get ready to be angry. This story is gonna make you sick. This story will make you want to throw your newspaper and make your blood boil. This next news story is gonna make you so mad you'll want to punch yourself in the butt hole. You'll be so mad, you'll puke on your nana.
Starting point is 00:16:59 You'll be so outraged by this next story.. You'll th, pubs in one pull. So thank you, Cable News. Now at the top of the anger food chain are the politicians who benefit the most from our outrage because politicians know that rage equals donations. That's why they're constantly pushing stupid culture war issues on us whether they're real or completely made up. This morning, a new warning about the dangers of misinformation spreading online and making its way into political races. And this latest claim that some school districts are providing cat litter boxes for students who identify as cats.
Starting point is 00:17:41 The first sign of the rumor in the US appears to have been at this Michigan school board meeting last December, where it was discussed by a parent without proof, then shared on Facebook by a chairwoman of the Michigan Republican Party, referring to furries, the false story, snaking its way across the country. And now, into Republican stump speeches. Have you heard about the litterbox of stuff? Yeah, yes. If we don't push back on the craziness, it's not going to end.
Starting point is 00:18:08 A cat. They put tails on and they demand that they have a litter box in the school. Not because there's actual cats in the room, but because there's kids going around licking themselves as though they're cats. We've literally got kids who thinks th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thinks thi thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi' thi' thi' their their their their cats their cats their cats their cats they're their cats they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're cats and dogs using litter boxes in classrooms. No you don't. You literally don't. Kids are not trying to shit in litter boxes in school. Or at all. I mean, most kids won't shit in toilets in school. Are you kidding me?
Starting point is 00:18:34 Other kids might know that you shit in toilets in school. Are you kidding me? Other kids might know that you shit, and that's a secret. This is how I know it's a lie, because they don't have one example of it happening. Not one. But that didn't stop them from spreading it because it benefits them. So long story short, if you're wondering why you're so angry all the time, it's not a coincidence. The system is designed to provoke you.
Starting point is 00:19:11 And politicians like this system because they profit from it. They survive from it. They can say anything as long as it's what their audience wants to believe. That's why when there was a bill that would have required fundraising emails to be fact-checked, Marjorie Taylor Green blocked it. Now that was a lie I just made up. But you all licked it up, didn't you? We're so ready to donate to my campaign. And once you notice how much this system profits off your anger? It's not the the their their their their their their to my campaign. And once you notice, how much this system profits off your anger, it's not surprising that people would like the other side to just die. It's not surprising that people are afraid to dorm with the monsters who believe different lies
Starting point is 00:20:00 than us. It's not even surprising when a mob of people believing they are righteous stormed the Capitol, an event where, ironically, a bunch of furries used Nancy Pelosi's office as a living box. All right, stay tuned because when we come back we'll talk more about this with New Yorker writer Geotology. Finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You might get a lot of resumes, but not enough candidates with the right skills or experience. But not with zip recruiter. Zip recruiter finds amazing candidates for you fast. you might get a lot of resumes, but not with zip recruiter. Zip or experience. But not with Zip Recruiter.
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Starting point is 00:22:15 Is there any way to, is there any way that they could be incentivized to stop this? One way that I think about it is like did corporations all throughout the last century until the 70s have any incentive to stop like poisoning rivers and dumping their waste all over the place? They didn't. It's like cheaper to be shitty, right? Like, they, like, it is in their financial best interest to just keep poisoning the river until until, the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, is, and, and, their, their, theyyyy.e.colic, is, is, toe.comete.comenk.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c.c. And, their, is, is, is, is, like, it is in their financial best interest to just keep poisoning the river until someone makes them stop, which we could. But like, you know, it's in their best interest for us to feel bad, right? Like you never hear someone being like, I had an amazing day.
Starting point is 00:22:53 I just sat and I scrawled for that long, you feel even worse. I just sat and I just sat and I sc do that, when you scroll for that long you feel even worse, and then you do it more, and that cycle is the primary way. It's like cocaine. It is like cocaine. Except for that's fun. Right. I was chasing that first one, it's just not going to come back to you. But it's interesting because I see stories pop up that give me outrage.
Starting point is 00:23:26 And I realize that they're designed to do it. Like it took me a second. A friend of mine who's Leans a Little Right texted me this story about how the LGBT community wants to ban natural women. You know, you make me feel like I'm a natural woman where Eretha Franklin, and I did like two clicks of research and of course it was from a parody account, right, but picked up from papers and then the parody account even said afterwards like nobody called us for a comment. Right, right. And then on the on the... No one checked the about page on the website. Yeah, and then on the left, you know I read an article about the Missouri Senate making women senators, they couldn't
Starting point is 00:24:10 wear sleeveless shirts and I was about to go ape shit and I went oh but the men afterwires and suits it's just a dress code but it was designed to make me go bananas and it did. Right I mean mean everything, like if you are on a social media platform that what you see is governed by an algorithm which is basically all the major ones, it's all designed to make you feel like the best person possible and that everyone else is a dumb piece of shit. Like that's, that is, that is what gets us to spend as much time on there as possible. Yeah, I used to that righteousness porn. Yeah, yeah, and then then then then then then then th. And th. And th. And then th. And then th. And then th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, as possible. Yeah, I used to go that righteousness porn. Yeah. Yeah. And then you realize you don't actually want to see these male law
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Starting point is 00:25:16 most things matter very little or nothing at all of it all the time, right? Well, yeah, I mean, like you went off Twitter a few years ago. Congratulations. Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you. I'm so much, I thought it would turn me into like a genius and like a great happy person and it, you know, just, I'm wasting just a little less time. Right, right. But I mean, I definitely, I definitely, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I, I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, th.... I, I'm, I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I'm, th. I'm, like, like, I'm, like, like, like, like, like I mean, like, I definitely, like, I'm kind of exit only on there now. And is that right? I just like, will post stuff I need to post for show dates or something.
Starting point is 00:25:49 But that has made my life a little, definitely a little bit. You realize that Twitter is not the world. Right, right. And I mean, I got off because, like, I don't know if you had this experience, but it was like as soon, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like know, one room in a weekly trip to the grocery store, and the internet balloon to fill the rest of my existence. And I was like, this, this sucks, you know, like the internet is never supposed to be bigger than your life. And when the pandemic made it bigger than actual physical life, I was like, I gotta, I gotta get out of here. Twitter is such a cesspool now. It's so negative. Is there any way to unravel this? Well, I think that as long as these companies,
Starting point is 00:26:35 the primary way they make their money is for us to spend as much time as possible on them. And the best way, as you were saying in that segment, for us, for them to ensure that we spend as much much their their their their their their their way, as you were saying in that segment, for us, for them to ensure that we spend as much time on them as possible, is through all of the emotions that make us feel as bad as possible, self-righteousness and anger, and, you know, everyone getting as mad as possible as a group about something you're going to forget about the next day.
Starting point is 00:26:58 As long as that is the economic model, there is no hope. But I think, you know, again, as with the corporations that we're, you know, making all the fish die in the rivers, you can, you can make them change. We could regulate this. Right. If we put pressure on our government or... Yeah, I mean, well, I think... Our government is like, how does... Also Nurt a teet of like, 100%? I think like, one thing that's necessary is for people that we that we that we to to to to to to to to to to to their to to their to their th. thi. thi. thi. thi, you, you, you, you, you thi, you thi, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you thi, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you their, you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. to to to to to to thi. to thi. tiea. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, you thi of big tech. 100%. I think like one I think one thing that's necessary is for people to remember that we can, you know, we don't have to feel like yeah, yeah, like the internet. We all feel insane on the internet. We all feel so bad all the time and that's just the way it is, right? I think that I think that we are capable of getting as mad about this as people did about in the environmental move in the 70s, right? Like we are capable of generating pressure and putting it on lawmakers.
Starting point is 00:27:51 And there, you know, there are things like you could end automated recommendations, right? Automated recommendations are the reasons that, you know, a mom of two in Cleveland, you know, starts looking up smoothie recipes for her two-year-old and ends up believing that Wayfair is shipping, you know, like orphans in their things. And you know, the wildlife is designed to radicalize. Exactly, right. And so much of that, so much of that is automated recommendations because that, and people have been recommending for years for that, you know, simply ending those, th..... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. And, th. And, th. And, the, th. And, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, toe. And, toe. And, toea. And, toea. And, toe. And, toe. And, that, you know, simply ending those. Those are one of the biggest reasons that the internet has gotten so much worse, so much
Starting point is 00:28:28 less fun, so much less surprising, is because these companies just identify the kind of person you are and then funnel you towards, you know, whatever the worst version of that person is. YouTube is bizarre. One times I made the mistake of going, like, is this globalize, like, globalists? What do they mean by globalists? And I became an anti-semitte within like 15 minutes. It's amazing how well it works. And there are things like, you could end legal immunity for these companies if violence
Starting point is 00:28:58 is caused by something that was generated on these platforms. The worst that actual offline life is, the more people spend on the internet, right? And we just have really done very little in terms of public policy to make actual life better for people, right? To give people more money and more freedom, and to give people free public spaces to hang out, so the only place they hang out is the internet. We've done so little to improve actual life that it I think is one of the things that drives people over and
Starting point is 00:29:29 over to just be like, you know, you know, for hours at a time and I mean I feel like a boomer saying that but I feel like that that would help a lot. Well yeah also it's like I feel like social media originally was designed or or its intention was to connect, right? To connect people. But instead, I think it's kind of put us in silos and it's given us this existential like, do I exist? You know, I mean, even on selfies I feel like are just a constant question of, do I exist?
Starting point is 00:30:01 Right. And, you know, it's interesting, but there's anger, you know, people make money from our anger, they get clicks from anger, but there's some good anger on the internet where people are organizing. Right. You know, so how do you, not how do you differentiate, but how do you keep the good anger and get us away from the, the shitty anger? Well, what you were saying about connection, it's like we, the, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th.......... Do, th, th, th, th, th. Do, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and get us away from the shitty anger? Well, what you were saying about connection, it's like we, the version of connection that
Starting point is 00:30:30 is generated through hate is not a kind of connection that makes sense in real life. It's not, it's only a kind of connection that is incentivized and sounds good on the internet, right? Like in real life, are we actually like, oh, I want to spend six hours, face deep in you know in the business of someone I hate? No, right? Like we form we do our business based on like affinity and the things that we care about and the things that we like positively want. And I think about you know as much as I think the internet as it's structured right now is kind of inevitably an existential and civic that negative that there that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the internet the internet the internet the internet the internet the internet the internet the internet the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. theeeeateateateat thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi ththat there are still these things. I mean, you think about the protest summer 2020,
Starting point is 00:31:08 they wouldn't have turned into what they became, right with like a quarter of Americans hitting the streets at some point if it wasn't for like a continual stream of videos on Twitter of police brutalizing the protesters at the police brutality protests, right? Like, these, there is still like radical potential. You think about what people are doing with abortion access right now on the internet, you know, forming these underground networks and getting people to
Starting point is 00:31:31 travel across state lines and making sure anyone can get pills who needs them. You know, I try to remember that, you know, we still can and will try to be human on, you know, within a mechanism that wants us to be less so. And, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to be, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the the, the the, they, they, they, theylipe, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, the, the, the, the, a mechanism that wants us to be less so. And we can keep doing it. Well, it's, yeah, it's like the wild west, but the leaders are billionaires. And I mean, everything I feel like every single thing, every conversation I've had here, I feel like boils down to citizens united. Because as long as people can line politicians' pockets,
Starting point is 00:32:02 they're buying policy, And our votes don't... I mean, your vote counts. And our votes just simply don't count. Yeah, exactly. But it's very frustrating. It doesn't... It's clearly not right. Like, you know, but of course they name it's citizens united.
Starting point is 00:32:19 It sounds beautiful. Let's hold for the siren. I'm in show business and I know how things work work tha thooooo tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tho tho thi. thi. thi. tho tho tho tho tho-I. tho-I. tho-I. tho-a. tho-a. tho-a. tho-a. tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tho. tho. tho. tho. thooooooooooooooooooooanan. tooan. toooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. th'm just kidding. It's going to show that I'm in show business and I know how things work. Well, yeah, and I think part of it, I mean, we see this pushback now, right? There is a fomenting sort of pushback and a dissatisfaction. And you know, the hope is that it bubbles over into actual pressure on lawmakers to do something. You know, for a long time we accepted the general model of Silicon Valley, the move fast-break things, sort of move faster than regulation could ever get you. We accepted that as like, oh, that's amazing. We could, you know, that'll result in us pressing a button and getting, you know, a car
Starting point is 00:32:53 at our doorstep and, you know, and any kind of food we want. We've, for a really long time accepted the conveniences that the internet economy provides us. We're such little sluts for convenience. And then they just snap those little handcuffs of anger around us as we are. Yeah, you go like, iPhones are made by child labor. I'm gonna order some stuff. Yeah, I'm gonna see. Click to order. Yeah, I'm gonna, you know, I was like, no, no one's boycotting Amazon, it's too convenient.
Starting point is 00:33:26 Yeah, but the thing is, you can, and I think that, like, the real first step in all of this is remembering like, we, I mean, I have to have, it's very Orwellian, I have a program called self-control on my computer and a program called freedom on my phone, and those things, like, and th... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the is the is the is the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the the thi the the thin thi, thi the the, thin the thin the thi, the thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, you is the, you the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin thin thin thin thin thin thin the the things thin thin the thin thin the thin thin, you have neither, and both of those things lock me off of social media for like 15 hours a day. And I have needed to do that because I'm such a little slut for all the things that makes me mad. And it does work. Like, you can just refuse to participate in little, little bits until maybe suddenly your life has changed a little.
Starting point is 00:34:03 And I would recommend, you know, it's worth a try. Yeah, definitely. I mean, they say like, of course nobody can sleep because you're on your funds. You've got to turn the screens off. And I'm like, yeah, but also no. But I prefer to drop my phone on my forehead. That's exactly what I do.
Starting point is 00:34:18 This is when I go to sleep. Who? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. How do we fix the internet? Is there any hope in all of this? Yeah, yeah. I think in regulation and I think in public pushback, and I think in all of us spending less time on our phone, whether that means refusing convenience, you know, certain things that are convenience, I think it means, I think all of these things are possible, but we have to maybe accept that in order to resist social media, in order to resist the constant surveillance that's hitting us on our phone, that all these companies are like tracking and reselling to other companies to make money off of everything we do, we have to maybe, we have to maybe refuse a little bit of the cheap the cheap the cheap the cheap the cheap the cheap the cheap, the cheap, the cheap, the cheap, the cheap, the cheap, the cheap, the the the the the the the the the thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th... th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, toeeeeeeei. toei. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, to make money off of everything we do we have to maybe we have to maybe refuse a little bit of the cheap pleasure and the convenience that the
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