The Daily Show: Ears Edition - The Female Orgasm Onscreen

Episode Date: March 6, 2022

Roy sits down with correspondent Desi Lydic and Daily Show writer Kat Radley for a stimulating discussion about Hollywood's complicated history of depicting female sexual pleasure. Watch the original segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dasjAibvSjo Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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scenes and maybe some half-ass pixelated storyboards if we feel like it. Welcome to Beyond the Scenes. I'm your host Roywood Junior and this is the podcast where we take a deeper dive into some of the most complex issues covered on the daily show with Trevor Noah. And speaking to Tom Hanks, today we're talking about female orgasms on screen. A brief history. History? Hirsterry? You get it? This is a piece that originally aired on the show back on March 23rd to 2021. You know what year it is. Play the clip. It's no secret that women's on-screen portrayals have evolved throughout history. We've gone from playing secretaries being saved by James Bond all the

way to nuclear scientist being saved by James Bond. But I want to focus on one specific aspect of female depictions. The orgasm. It's when a woman is stimulated to the point of climax, causing a physical and neurological response that scientists refer to as bang-tastic. And over the years, depicting female pleasure on screen is something that's changed more than the batteries in your vibrator. So today with me, I have Daily Show Correspondent, Desi Lydic and writer, Amy nominated writer, Cat-Watley, to to writer Amy nominated writer Cat Ratley to walk me through how this segment came together and then we're going to go beyond.

Because that's what we do. It's in the damn title. What's going on y'all? How you doing? Hi Roy. I was saying Roy, don't assume people know what year. That is up for debate. it completely lost track. Fine. It was from 2021 in March. What does it matter anymore? So in this segment you all went through, you dug in the crate and you found basically

a track record of just showing the misrepresentation of women's sexuality on film and television. How did that all come to, Kat? One of our researchers in our deep dive department, Madeline Kunes, she came up with this idea just from kind of organically noticing how different the portrayal is of female versus male orgasms on screen and all that. And she just kind of went down the rabbit hole of looking through film pretty much over the past hundred years and she just found so much great stuff that we were able to put it together for a segment. She went way down the rabbit hole and then back up the rabbit hole and then back up the rabbit

hole and then came back up for air just the right spot. And then it was assigned to me. Okay I'm going to let you all ride with that. I. I. I the the the the the th. I the the th. I th. I the th. I the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm to th. I'm to th. I'm th. tho. thi. I'm tho. tho. tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. to just just just just just just just just just just to to to to to to the. to the. the. the. the. the. the found the perfect spot. Yeah, and then it was assigned to me. I'm gonna let you all ride with that. I'm not gonna join in. You know, I have jokes in my head that I could join in on that, but I just don't wanna be the weird guy. It goes, and then she stayed in that rabbit hole on to it. There's so many more opportunities. Let's get into the actual nuts and bolts of this Desi.

As a correspondent, when someone brings you this piece, what was your first thought? I was so excited because I had this reaction, like, oh my god, why haven't we talked about this before? And I think on a subconscious level, it's always bothered me that I feel like I haven't seen that many representations of female sexuality in like an honest, authentic, or even really funny way. But it didn't hit me the deaths of it until I read the script. We're always, you know, trying to figure out what topics we want to dive into.

And we look for things that are, that feel like they've been underreported, or something we want to shine a spotlight on. And they tend to be, you know, we go deep with the information and we go through the history of something. And our, the trap is that it would be something that can feel a little dry, right, right, this one immediately is like, oh, that's fun to talk about. That's like- This one was very wet. This was very wet. This was the opposite of dry.

Thank you, Kat. Yeah. You're not gonna lure me in. No. We'll get him. We'll get him. Halfway through. But this was, I wrote it with Lauren another writer who is amazing. And the two of us have written a couple things for Desi and it seems like it's just, I mean,

writing for Desi is super fun and we kind of knew like, all right, this can be like a touchy difficult subject. And I mean, Desi totally nailed the performance. So I'm glad that she was as that she was that she was as tha that she was as tho as tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thi thi was as thi was as thi was as thi thi thi thi thi tho. tho. tho. thoom. tho. thi thi. thoom-a. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. It. thi. It's. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the performance. So I'm glad that she was as on board and excited about it as we were. Because writing it was, it was fun to actually like, like Desi was saying for Women's History Month, sometimes we do like, all right, let's look at, you know, voting rights

and the suffragette movement, which is important and great, but not as fun as talking about, you know, Barberellaellaella the the the Barberiaiaiaiaia thrailla, you, you, you to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thea, the thea, too, too, too, too, too, to, to, to, to, to, you know, Barberella or Meg Ryan's orgasm in when he met Sally. Oh, oh, oh, God. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, God. I'll have what she's having. We haven't really done a segment like this on the show before, so I feel like it was like a fun aspect of women's history that wasn't as serious and heavy as, you know, having our rights taken away. But it also, just the subject matter itself, it was something that I sort of like subconsciously knew in my brain that I wasn't saying a lot of this out there. But I really, it wasn't, it wasn't, it didn't, it didn't, it didn't, it didn't, it didn't, it didn't, it didn't, it didn't, it didn't, it didn't, it didn't thi thi, it didn't thi, it didn't thi, it didn't thi, it didn't thi, it didn't thi, it didn't thi, it thi. It didn't thi, it thi, it thi. It thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's a thi, it's a thii, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's a thiiii. It's a thi. It's a thi. It's a thi. It's a thi. It's a thi. It's a thi. It's a thi. It's a thi. It thi. It thi. It thinin. It theei.a.a.a. It's a thei.a.a.a. thei. thei. thei. the. the. It my brain that I wasn't saying a lot of this out there,

but I really, it wasn't, it didn't hit me until I read everything in that discussion. Like, oh my god, yes, that is how women were represented that early on. I had no idea about the Hedy Lamar thing. The first known female orgasm on the silver screen was in the 1933 German film Ecstasy when Hedy Lamar took the Broughtworst Express all the way to Pleasure Berg. Turns out the world wasn't ready for this. Everyone denounced it from Hitler to the Pope and if you ask me the Pope has no place weighing in

on sex scenes. He's celibate. I mean, when we need your opinion on the best stain removers for white fabrics, then we'll call you. I didn't realize that she was the first woman to have an orgasm on screen. And then not only that, but she was basically came up with the start of what is Wi-Fi now. So she was a genius. Like I had no idea about all of that until I read it. But they low-key sex shamed her the rest of her career for daring to be that open on camera. Do you all think that men being in control of the narrative of sex

in the entertainment industry? I mean, less so now, but definitely still more so than women? How much did that play into it? When you look at over the decades and decades of just the way women have been portrayed to just, you are the male, the man controls you, and it's never really connected to what a woman really wants in the bedroom,

or properly portraying what a woman wants in a bedroom. The Hedy Lamar thing went back to like the 1930s. That's like kind of where this started, 1930s films up till now. And yeah, when you think about it, it was mostly and still is mostly men writing and directing and producing these movies, so they're the ones who are determining, you know, what a female orgasm should or shouldn't look like on screen.

Because I, because it didn't make you wonder, like, okay, well, why is this? And you're like, oh yeah, because men control everything for all of the beginning of time. So I do think that has a lot to do with it, just like, who's writing these stories, who's telling these women and directing them how to act on screen. Okay, so now, in th in th in now, in now, in now, in th th th th th so now, in now, in now, in th so now, in th so now, in th so now, in thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the thi, thi, their their their their their their their their their their their their, their their, their, their their, their, their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, screen. OK, so now in this next take, you're going to really erupt with pleasure, I want you to just scream and bang the headboard so that everyone can hear.

All right, and action. Meanwhile, it's like 10 seconds in, and nothing has happened. And you're like, oh, is that all it? OK. that.that simple, huh? It's like almost like sound like you're getting murdered, but not quite, there's like a fine line between the two. Feed the ego of the man so he knows he's killing it, preferably. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

So when we do race stories on the show, the question is always who's the intended audience, right? Because black people to a degree kind of already know some of the stuff we're talking about. So in a way, you're having to present new information to half of the audience that already knows this topic while also presenting it, like with CP time. It's stuff that black people may or may not have already known, but here's a couple of the issue. And if you are not black, then this is a whole wealth of new information. Because I'll be honest, as a man, this is something I've never paid attention to.

So who was the, when you think about the intended audience, was it to serve a dual purpose or was it to educate meatheads like myself? I mean, I think it's always like, in my opinion, it's always about kind of starting a conversation across the board, right? And the feeling that I felt when I read it for the first time was what I would hope that other women felt when they saw it and that they felt heard and seen like, oh, I've been feeling this way too. I've been missing this in TV and film and we do have some more work to.. It it it it it it it it th. And it to to to to to to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. It's th. It's th. It's the their their their their th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I'm the the the thi. I's the the thi the thi thi. thi. thi. I'm thi. I thi. I've been feeling this way too. I've been missing this in TV and film. And we do have some more work to do.

And then also to maybe perhaps educate a few viewers who maybe did not know some of this or thought about it in that way. And yeah, start a conversation about it. I remember growing up watching a lot of movies and stuff. And this is how, like watching this segment, it, I, p-pom, in my brain and I started thinking back, there's a scene and waiting to exhale.

Oh, shit, oh, this is good. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's good. Oh, yeah. He, he, he, he, he, he, say, I'll say orgasm. This is beyond the scenes. And we're a very tasteful show. Yes.

So he bused way before, the woman did. Does he think he just did something here? Shit. I could have had a V8. Oh, I could have had a V8 was the line. It's a legendary line. But women not getting an orgasm is almost seen as ha ha ha, you didn't get any pleasure. Growing up, what was you all's personal experience in seeing female pleasure depicted on screen? Can I ask that? Let me ask that

in a more HR way. As you all were matriculating as young women. No, how much did it's menstrating, Roy, it's called menstrating. As you ministrated to adulthood. But you know, what was your, what was your experience seeing the way sex was depicted on screen? I think like you said too that it's funny that it was so often used as a punchline and I feel like that's kind of something that became ingrained without me realizing because it is, you know,

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vibrating underwear. Okay, there is so much wrong with this. It's non-consensual. It's a kid doing it and it perpetuates the dangerous myth that vibrating underweregues you anything but a five-alarm electrical burn. I was like, oh, okay, like, it's, it's, it's, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the way, the way, the way, the way, the way th.. th. th. theat, theat, theat, theat, th th that, theat, that, theat, the. that, th like, oh, okay, like, it's, it's, it's, the way we do it is funny or like, we're kind of used as a punchline as opposed to like, taken seriously. And I don't really know how that affected me because I feel like we were just kind of getting messages like that from all over.

So I'm kind of like, all right, well, this is the way it is is is is is is is is is is is is is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is the way it is until you kind of learn that it is different. I'm still waiting to learn. That scene in particular I have so many mixed feelings about I feel like that because as as like an actor doing comedy you when you get a scene as a woman like you want to have the joke you want to get to do like the big performative joke in this set piece. And so, and men get to joke about their orgasms all the time, like it's all over the place, literally. And how many are we at now? Three, four? Do we? Still early. But, but like there were so many problems in that scene itself. Like Katz said, we were kind of like punching at the wrong thing.

The punchline was aimed, it seemed in the wrong direction. And also, just like, there was really no consent. It was kind of against their will. It was happening to them and they weren't participating in it, which felt kind of weird. And I thi thiiii to thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to thi, to to to to thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to thi, to to to thi, thi, to thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, toeeeeeeeeean, toean, toean, toean, toean, toean, toean, thea, thed, theeean, their, were writing it we were like, wait what year was this? I want to say it was like 2009, like it was 10 to 15 years ago when like consent was not like a term people were thinking about or throwing around it and probably like movie sets at all and I'm like oh yeah like you are like giving Catherine Hagel this orgasm in a restaurant and it's funny and I'm just like oh man, that, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, it was like, it was like, it was like, it was like, it was like, it was like, it, it was like, it it was like, it it, it was like, it it it, it it was it, it it, it, it it it it it it it was like, it, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, th, like, like, th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, are like giving Catherine Hagel this orgasm in a restaurant and it's funny and I'm just like, ooh man, that they didn't even have the sea word anywhere in their brain

like at this point in time. So I was like, there's so, there's so much wrong with this. And it was a kid, right? It was like a kid eight-year-old kid toy with it? You're like, no, stop! There's a lot of problematic old-school sex scenes that you can go back and watch now and be like, yeah. I can remember, I just recently rediscovered the movie Young Frankenstein, which I is like a classic, Mel Brooks and Gene Wilder and so many funny performances in that movie. Terry Gar and Madeline Kahn are comedic geniuses. And I remember seeing that scene of Madeline Kahn with the monster when he comes in to, like, take her. And he drops his pants and then suddenly she's like very into it and they

have this whole sex scene. Oh you can't be serious. I'm a I oh my god. Woof. Woof! I'm engaged and once he took but I didn't it was never a time all the Oh my oh my oh! Oh! Oh! Sweet mystery of life at last I found you! It is like a tour de force in her comedic performance. It's hilarious.

She should have won all the awards for this scene. And then it cuts to them sitting their side by side and they're smoking a cigarette. But in watching it in recent years, you go back and you're like, wait, he took her against her will. Wait, there was no, he was kidnapping her. It was so problematic on so many levels. Is the implication that so Frankenstein has a big dick, like that's what the implication was? I mean, I guess that would make sense.

If you're able to like piece together a human, you're like, I guess I'll give them the biggest dead dick I can find. If young boys get weird science, we can at least have Frankenstein. Like give us that. I remember, the things thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing things things things things things things think think think think think thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that thi thi thi the the the the the the the the the. I the. I that's that's that's that that's that that that that's that. I remember the thing that I remember most about sexuality as a man growing up and just watching films. Like just you know we're talking from that middle school through high school years was just how animalistic sex well. Finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You might get a lot of resumes

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When you all were researching the story, what were some of the biggest things that you didn't know before the research? We got like a giant file that has like all the research the research the research the research the research the research the research the research the research the research the research the research the research the research the research the research the research. the research the research the story, what were some of the biggest things that you didn't know before the research? We got like a giant file that has like all the research in it that our research department could find. So more than what you saw in the segment, like plenty was left out because there was no way to do all of it. The one thing I was most surprised at was the stuff from like the mid-20th century. So the Hedy Lamar movie, which was like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the like the mid-20th century like so the Hedy Lamar movie which was like 1930s the fact that there was even a female female orgasm portrayal back then just shocked me I was like wait they let the shit happen in the 30s and then the stuff that was from the 60s and 70s that wasn't technically porn,

and some of it was porn with like Deep Throat, but just how graphic it was in the 60s and 70s, I feel like, I was like, wow, I can't believe they actually did this. It's weird because there's such a stark contrast, because around that same time in sitcoms, they wouldn't even let the mom and dad be in the same bed. That's one thing, we talked about the Hayes Code, which we mentioned briefly, but it was the, you know, censorship guidelines that they used, which kind of came in place after the

30s and 40s. This was a set of censorship guidelines that ban movies from explicitly showing or discussing sex. Even married couples had to be shown in separate beds, or as it's now called, the reverse chocolate factory. With the four-you bedridden for the past 20 years, it takes a lot of work to keep this family going. No one was getting off. Didn't they call it like one foot on the floor? Like you always had to have one foot on the floor

at all times if there them sleeping in the same bed. Sometimes one foot on the floor is even better too. I mean, truly to be able to really get some live mobility. Yeah, the- I'm not gonna join in on the back. The scene- From the 30s, like they show a pearl necklace to like, they show a pearl necklace being dropped on the floor that we assume is meant to like symbolize the orgasm. And then the, there were a couple other,

like a lot of symbolic things of like, like, the things they would do to to try to get around it. Trains going through tunnels, like, there was a lot of a their th. around it, trains going through tunnels, like there was a lot of innuendo in these, like anytime you see a train film, like it's sex in the 50s and 60s, like. So just the dumb things they would do to try to work around it. We went from a pearl necklace falling on the ground to Cameron Diaz having a literal pearl necklace in her hair. Yeah. Yeah. Cameron Diaz having a literal pearl necklace in her hair in something about Mary.

Yeah. So just the stark contrast was like how we kind of boomeranged back the other way. But the Barberella scene, I mean, we have to talk about that. It's my favorite. America was embarking on a sexual revolution, so female pleasure came back on screen. Unfortunately, it was often treated as a novelty that existed for men's amusement, so you got scenes like the one in 1968's Barberella. Where evil doctor eyebrows over here traps Jane Fonda and a machine that's supposed

to give her orgasms until she dies, except that she climaxes so hard she breaks the machine. My goodness. At the time it was was considered a campy, sexy thing, but looking at it now, it's a violation. Remember, everyone, if you're gonna put a woman in a machine that orgasms her to death, you need consent first. We watched that clip, like, we had it in our research file, and I watched it like, what the fuck is this, like, like, and Jane Fonda the the th for the the th...... the the the th. the th. thine, th. thine, and, and, th. thine, and, and, th. thin, thin, th. thin, th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. It, th.... It, th.... It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to. to. to. to. to. to. to, to. t t t t today, t t t t t t t fuck is this? Like, how did people, like, how was this made? And who is this for? But it, like, and Jean Fonda really sold it to.

I was like, that woman committed, like, she is a professional. How do you audition for that role? You're in a giant pipe organ, and you're being pleasure to death. But you don't want to die. But you do want to be played, there the the, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, to, to, the, to, the, to, the, the, the, the, the, and, and, and, and, and the, and the, and th. And, and, and, and, and to, and to, and to, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the th... And, the the th. And, like, like, the th. And, like, the the th. And, like, like, the th. And, like, the th th th thin, and, and, to be played. There's a lot of conflict, internal conflict in the face. She played that scene very well. I have to say. And it was just the face too, because the whole pipe organ orgasm machine covered her from the waist down or the neck down. So it was just her face. Like that was the only indication, it was her face and then like, you know, shitty graphics of like sparks and smoke coming out of the machine. It's also really misleading for young women to watch that and to assume that you can only

climax if there are sparks and smoke. How hard is it to find the right tone? Because you don't want to diminish the topic. But we are on Comedy Central, which means we have to have some fucking comedy in there sometimes. What were some of the landmines that you all wanted to avoid? There are so many great representations of female pleasure or sexuality or something that might feel very authentic and truthful and honest in a performance,

but it might not be something that feels like it's appropriate to make jokes about. You want to feel like whatever we talk about is kind of fair game to make laughs about a second later. One thing that we also like fully acknowledged too as we were writing it, it's like a lot of the kind of the mainstream big touchstone moments in the film too, tend it to be, touchstone moments in the film too tended to be white women, cis women, heterosexual relationships. So we don't have the representation we'd like ideally in this segment overall. But we, like, same with Desi, we noticed like, okay, if this is going to open up

a bigger conversation about how does this vary based on race,, if this is going to open up a bigger conversation about how does this vary based on race, how does this vary based on gender, how does this vary based on, you know, sexual orientation, and that was something we were like, we could make this a 30-minute piece or we could do like, you know, a five-part thing, but we're like, okay, this is one segment. So we're like, we're just going to kind of touch on the mainstream, you know, big moments like the when Harry met Sally, the Barberella, but we fully acknowledge when we were writing it, we were like, we know that this isn't fully inclusive of every aspect of these portrayals, but we want to make sure that, you knowthat we aren't making light of something that is a more serious scene or a more serious film.

We also talked about two making jokes about the movies that are comedies, whereas like most of these, like when Harry met Sally, Bruce Almighty, like those are big comedies. So we were like, okay, well we don't want to write jokes about jokes, but we could like make fun of the fact that it's used as a joke. Because it feels weird sometimes to write comedy about something that is meant to be comedy. That makes perfect sense. So then to that point about the portrayal of nudity and comedy, why is it man naked, oh, or hmm. It's never, it's rarely hilarious. Like, I, the only thing that I even think comes close to a joke that would play the same for a woman as a guy in a comedy is Melissa McCarthy shitting her pants and bright The these are toilets! And these are toilets! Oh, God, I'm sorry.

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her or it's, it becomes about sex instead of the laugh. I don't know if you guys remember Ila Fisher's performance in the wedding crashers. I'm not wearing any pennies. It's right. Yeah, oh, yeah. Okay, that's fun. Hilarious, total breakout role for her. She was genius in it. She maximized every second that she was on camera.

And I believe she's, she talked about this, and forgive me if I get it wrong, but she talked about there being a discussion. There was a sex scene in that movie, and there was a discussion about whether she was going to be topless and how much they were going to show. And I think they wanted her to be completely topless and to see it all. And she basically was like, look, if you see my nipples, I lose my laugh. And I'm going to protect my laugh. So you got to shoot it in a certain way because I want to get the comedy. I don't want this to be about objectifying.

I think the problem is I am not being adventurous enough for you. Gloria, I'm pretty sure that is not what I've been saying to you. Shhh. Baby, I'm going to make all your fantasies come dreams. And it's like, you know, Will Farrell probably have th th th th th th th th th th to have th th th. I th th th th th to have th. I th th th thu th thu thu to have thu to have thu to be to be to be thus I want this this thus this this to be this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this th. I th th th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thine I thine thine thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thus thus thus thus thus thus thus the the theoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo the the the. I the. I your fantasies come true. And it's like, you know, Will Farrell probably would not have had to have that conversation. Right, his nipples are hilarious. His nipples are, yeah, very funny. To the point where nudity enhances the scene,

Ken Jong talks about this. He's talked about it on the record here and there. But he told me, another comedian friend of mine, the story th. this. He's talked about it on the record here and there, but he told me and another comedian friend of mine, the story of him coming out the trunk naked in the original hangover movie. In that original, the scene as it was written, he had clothes on. And Ken went to the director and said, hey, I should be naked. And they were like, what? Yeah, my character, he should come out the trunk naked. I think it'll be more of a bababababah.

And to his credit, he was right. He was right. He was right. He stole that film. It held up the shoot for two hours because they had to get the clearances and the lawyers and whatever the hell else. I don't know what happens when Dick's come out on set, but apparently it's a lot of paperwork. We were talking about women's breasts too. Like there's so much in, there's something about Mary, but isn't his neighbor, like the old lady who's like always tanning, they

show her boobs but they're, you know, like old wrinkly ski slopes. And it's like, and that is funny because they can, I mean, they made her look as, you know, unsexy as possible in order to do it. And I, you know, I give a lot of credit to that woman for, you know, for bearing it all for that. But I mean, that was funny, like, that was like one instance where women's boobs were funny, but they made them look as little booblike as possible. Like, they're almost unidentifiable. They just have to keep sending her back to the makeup trailer.

Nope, sorry, still a little too sexy. They still kind of look like this. Yeah, there we go, that's perfect. Now we can do it. As much as I would love to continue talking about breast and nudity and all of that stuff. We have to see where we'll be right back. Ken Jong, if I wasn't supposed to tell that story, sorry, it's too late, it's out there. It's been 20 years, let that shit go. What grows in the forest?

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to the today.gov Slash the right seat. Brought to you by Nitta and the Ad Council. So we've talked during this podcast, ladies, just about how the portrayal of women and their sexuality and how that can inform and influence us from a very early age. But should the movies be where people are even learning about all of this? Yeah, I mean, it, what is seen on, what is seen on, on, in the movies and on TV, the the the the the te, the the te, the the te, the te, the te, the te, the the te, te, the the te, the te, and on, the the to, and, to, to, to, to, the toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the te, the the today, the the toe, the toe, the toe., toe., toe., toe. is seen on in the movies and on TV matters. It certainly carries a lot of weight, but I think it matters more because kids aren't really learning a lot about sex ed in a full, comprehensive, inclusive way in school, so they're left to learn this stuff from seeing shows and movies. And that's like, to me that kind of puts too much pressure on what's supposed

to be entertainment to kind of like solve the world's problems. Yeah I think if anyone needs these movies it's Catholic school kids because I can tell you right now they are not teaching them shit that they need to know that they actually need to know. I went to to to go to go to go to a a to a to a to a their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. I their. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I to be. I to be. I their. I I I I I I I. I I I I I. I I I I. I. I I I I. I I. I. I I. I. I I. I. I. I. I their. I their. I their their their their their their to. I'm to to te. I'm te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. to. to. to. I'm te. I'm te. I'm te. tell you right now, they are not teaching them shit that they actually need to know. Because I went to a Catholic high school, and I would think like, you know, that was 20 years ago that it would be better, but I don't, like, it's like, Dizzy was saying, it's not, like, sex education is still pretty bad, at least in America. And most kids are getting their knowledge from TV movies, and you know, unless someone has like a cool older brother, but other than that, like, there's not really many resources to get like the real,

like the real authentic stuff of what sex is actually like. Do you think also, in addition to the lack of sex ed, is there more sexual censorship in America that also keeps kids from learning about stuff like just I saw mortal combat okay I saw the new mortal combat movie earlier this year blood and guts everywhere yeah but then you can go overseas and they pardon my French they got breasts in just commercials nudity is just so regular like it's just a commercial like it so regular, like, it's just a commercial about buying shampoo. And it's just a woman getting out the shower and a breast around, yeah, shampoo.

Wouldn't it be nice if Americans had more shame surrounding violence than shame surrounding the human body and all of its sexuality? It's so crazy. I mean, even I have a five-year-old and the stuff that when I'm trying to look for something that is appropriate for him to watch, we are always stumbling upon stuff that's like, well, that's still violent, or there's some, you know, weapons are being thrown around,

and there's some fight, and I would much rather my son see naked boobies on screen, you know, than see like a full, full-on knockdown, drag out violent fight. As Americans, we probably don't even realize how much violence we're seeing every day because it's just something we've grown up with at this point. But yeah, I remember when I went to Europe for the first time, I think like as a teenager I went as like a French exchange student and I just remember seeing like boobs on a billboard and I was like do they know that those are up there like I was like someone's gonna get fired because there's some jits just like at a department store you have to act normal as an American out yeah boobs out totally normal

yeah yeah no big deal Yeah Are things as a whole improving do you think you know when we have programs like say pose Which is ending their run coming up now in FX? Does the how does the sexuality heterosexuality in the preterial of that? How does that fit into the wider discussion of bypoc and LGBTQ? sexuality on film and TV? I mean I think definitely, I mean having more people behind the camera but then also just seeing those relationships like Like I may destroy you was like I feel like so revolutionary and how it portrayed

sex and sexuality. And that was one thing that that was in our research, but we were like, that's such a heavy show. I was like, that doesn't, the tone doesn't feel right to include that. So I think more shows like that, where it's no longer this big deal because it's revolutionary and like the only one of its kind, that should be now our standard. Like more shows, especially like like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like more shows, especially like the dramas, should be able to show those relationships of like people being more fluid with gender and more open to different sexual experiences, but also make sure consents always involved because that's

just something we've really started putting into film and television in the past like four years, which is not that long, seeing how movies have been around for over a hundred. So those are like all things I think that revolve around the kind of the same issues. They're all connected. The way that Michaela Cole was able to explore and dissect sexual assault and that whole experience that her character went through and also the supporting characters in that story felt so like truthful and authentic and, you know, shocking. It was really, like Kat said, revolutionary and also shocking because we have never seen it like that before, talked about in that way.

So stories like that, stories like, you know, Ryan O'Connell's show special and he has like, there's a scene of him having sex with another man that was, I've heard him speak about it on on the press tour before about it being like just a really authentic, honest interaction that he hadn't seen on camera before. Phoebe Waller Bridge in Flea bag in the way she talks about sexuality and shame and, you know, her being able to tell that story and it being such a massive success, I think gives me hope that we're moving in the right direction. We're starting to get more diverse stories being told, and that's important. Well, the diverse stories are told because because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and the way, and th, and thi, and the way, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and the way, and the way, and the way, and the way, and the way, and the way, and the way, and the way, and th the way, and th th th th th thi, and thi, and thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii the way the way the way the way the way the way the way thi moving in the right direction. We're starting to get more diverse stories being told and that's important. Well, the diverse stories are told because we have a wonderfully

diverse cast of people working in the building. Thank you all so much for bringing me up to speed on women's orgasms. I will now go on the same deep dive that Madeline went on. And then, two minutes later, I will wait an hour and try to go on that deep dive again. There, there's your sex job. We did it. Look, that's all the time we have for today. A special thanks to Cat Radley and Desi Lydic. Hopefully now we've taken you beyond the soon. Thanks for right. I'm sorry Ken Jong, I love you.

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