The Daily Show: Ears Edition - The Henry Kissinger GOAT War Criminal Debate | Dr. Stuart Fischbein

Episode Date: December 1, 2023

Michelle Wolf responds to the latest news including Elon Musk telling boycotting advertisers to go f**k themselves, France banning smoking at various outdoor locations, and Ronny Chieng and Michael Kosta join to discuss Henry Kissinger’s death. Ever wondered why childbirth is so expensive? It’s because like everything in America, healthcare is a business and hospitals look at the uterus like it's an ATM. Michelle Wolf tackles the U.S.’s birthing industrial complex in the latest “Long Story Short.” And Dr. Stuart Fischbein, a community-based practicing obstetrician and co-host of the Birthing Instincts podcast, discusses how hospital birthing practices can be counterintuitive to natural childbirth functions, both out of fear and out of financial interest, and Michelle Wolf shares her own experience doing a home birth.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the Daily Show with your host, Michelle Wolf. Welcome to the Daily Show. I'm Michelle Wolf. It's my final night of the show. Yeah, no more show for me and I just want to say you were a worthy adversary, Linda from HR. Touchy, touchy. We've got a great show for you tonight, so let's get into the headlines. Let's kick things off with Elon Musk, the guy who's having an apartheid with his own face.

He's been on a non-apology apology tour following the fallout from his anti-Semitic tweets, and like a Tesla, it's been blowing up in his face. Elon Musk, the world's wealthiest man has a message for companies who don't want to advertise on X and I can't repeat it on morning television or else this will be my last day. What this advertising boycott is is going to do, it's going to kill the company. And you think that the... And the whole world will know that those advertisers killed the company. If somebody's going to try to blackmail me with advertising, blackmail me with money, go f-fick yourself.

But go f-b-feer-sha'e'-a'-li'e'e'r. Is that clear? Oh, it's clear. Oh, it's clear. It's clear that Elon has accomplished something incredible. He's made people root for advertisers. That's crazy. Anyone could build an electric car, but you're the only true genius who could lose coolness battle to mucinex.

You're not a victim here, Elon. You're not a victim here, Elon. It's not blackmail to not advertise on Twitter. They don't want anything from you. They just don't like you. And you should be used to this by now. If you don't donate money to the KKK, the KKKK isn't like, ah. So it's blackmail, is it? No, it's not. You just suck.

Also, blackmail is the KKK's least favorite type of mail. You know I'd feel so bad for Elon if either of us could feel. This guy swears so badly he doesn't want to be liked, but it's so obvious to everyone that he really wants to be liked. He wants to be like so badly he bought a company that's all about likes. He's the poster child for money doesn't buy happiness. You can see it in his recently purchased face. And his jacket from Burlington Divorce Factory. Let's move

on to some major international news. France has just decided to ban smoking on beaches and forests and near schools. Seriously France, what are you doing to your people here? They're having a tough year as it is. First they raised their retirement age all the way to 32. Now they're not allowed to light up a fire stick in a forest? Come on! What's next? No more mimes and boxes? No more being racist to Muslims?

No more bringing a baguette home to your son and him going, Bonjour, papa. Will it even be France anymore? Shout out to Channonlerbong. These, oh, you can't get sad about that. Come on, guys. We're having a celebration here. These French jokes were brought to you by stereotypes. Stereotypes. They're usually true.

All right. Let's move on to some sadden news. You know, it's never easy when someone dies. All right, let's move on to some sadden news. You know, it's never easy when someone dies. Although, when that person has made so many other people die, it kind of takes the sting out of it. Breaking overnight, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger passes away.

His influence, profound yet controversial, guiding presidents through Vietnam, the cold war and 9-11. Some called him a war criminal for his role in bombing Cambodia and widening the war in Vietnam. Cambodia, 40,000 people died. That was carpet bombing. Kissinger encouraged the Argentina Dirty War in 1976 was the architect behind the illegal and murderous bombings of Cambodia and Laos, supported Augusto Pinochet's brutal military coup in Chile and turned a blind eye to allege genocide in Bangladesh.

And ladies, please remember, all those things are red flags. But yes, Henry Kissinger is dead, which just goes to show you that if you have zero morals, you'll lead a long, stress-free life. He committed massacres and lived to be a hundred. While the rest of us over here are dying at 47 because we can't stop stressing over the time we waved to a person who was actually waving to someone behind us. But look, no matter how you feel about Henry Kissinger, you got to agree that he's one of

America's greatest war criminals. The question is, is he America's greatest war criminal? So, to have that debate, let's turn to Ronnie Chang and Michael Costa. Thank you guys. What do you think? Well, the thing is, I... There's no question, Michelle. Henry Kissinger is the goat of war criminals.

You know the last few weeks in high school where you skim through like 40 years of terrible American history in like two days? That's all him, baby. Vietnam, Cambodia, Chile, China, China, continue, Pakistan, East Timor. This dude was doing massacres in countries that Americans didn't even know what countries. He was putting them on the map and then carpet bombing them off the map. He's like a genocidal common San Diego. Can I get a chance to talk over here? Ronnie, you're clowning yourself.

Sure, Kissinger's in the conversation, but this debate starts and ends with Dick Cheney. His prime years were fire Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo. The man shot his friend in the face, and it was one of the nicest things he's ever done. That's a good point. Ronnie, maybe this is a tie. To quote the great man himself, go fuck yourself, Michael. Yeah, sure, Dick Cheney lied about WMDs but my boy Kissinger was using WMDs. Plus he was in the game for over 60 years. Dick Cheney had what, like five good seasons? Exactly. Kissinger stayed in the game just to juice his stats, okay? When you look at the season splits, Cheney's numbers were better. Not to mention, Kissinger came in after Vietnam started. I mean, he was chasing wars the way Durant chases rings, you know?

Anyone can join a super team, but Cheney built his wars from the ground up. I mean, he carried George W. Bush on his back. Also, how can Kissinger be the war crimes goat when he won the Nobel Peace Prize, you fucking idiot? That's what makes him the goat, you fucking moron. Do you know how good a war criminal you have to be to win a peace prize for wars? You escalated? The dude's got the numbers and the hardware. Count the rings, bitch. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, guys, let me, let me throw this out to you guys, okay? Andrew Jackson.

That's a good point. Oh, yeah, I mean, you know, he did the numbers. Look, look, look, look, Michelle, you do have to adjust for that era, okay? But credit, where credit is where credit is the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, tha, the, the, the, tha, thi, thi, thi, thi, thre, thre, threat, threat, threat, threat, threat, threat, threat, threat, threat, threat, threat, threat, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thr. thr. thr. to, to, to, thr. to, to, to, to, to, too had to do it with muskets and carrier pigeons. We'll never know what kind of records he could have said if he had had drones and Google maps. Okay, look, we can't throw around hypotheticals all day, but the bottom line is Andrew Jackson wasn't an international player the way Kissinger was. Jackson only put up decent numbers at home.

He wasn't strong on the road. Ronnie, just because you speak loudly doesn't make it more true, all right? Look, look, look, I think we can all agree, no matter who the goat is, what's important to remember is Kissinger's passing really puts things into perspective. So listen, everyone, if there's a war criminal in your life, tell them how you feel about them now, because you never know when they're going to unexpectedly die of being a hundred years old. I couldn't agree more. Michael Costa and Ronnie Chang everybody. When we come back, we'll talk about things that have been falling out of my vagina, so don't go away.

Hey everybody, John Stewart here. I am here to tell you about my new podcast, The Weekly Show coming out every Thursday. We're going to be talking about the election, earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient-to, earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back to the Daily Show. Let's talk about childbirth.

It's hopefully the last time you touch your mom's vagina. And I learned about childbirth. And I learned about childbirth firsthand because I recently had a baby. I don't know. She was right here. I don't know. You can't have it all, can you? Now, I chose to have a home birth because I wanted to ruin my couch.

And it turns out I was pretty lucky because whenever I talked to a woman who has given birth in a hospital it's almost always a horror story. The labor was painful, the doctors were rude, the nurse pooped on the table and blamed it on me. But there's a reason why a hospital child birth leads to all these horror stories and it's something I want to talk about so lay back and put your feet in the stirrups for to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the to the the to the to the the to the the the the the the the the I want to talk about so lay back and put your feet in the stirrups for tonight's long story short. Childbirth is the number one reason why people go to the hospital in the US. It sends more Americans to the hospital than allergic reactions and I don't know how this got stuck in my butt.

That's a light bulb, just so you know. And every year, the health care system makes $50 billion from childbirth. And yeah, half of that is just from Nick Cannon, but it's still a booming industry. And why is childbirth so expensive? Because like everything in America, health care is a business, and hospitals look at our uterus like it's an ATM. Delivering moms are increasingly being charged sky-high prices for absolutely every service or supply provided to them and the baby. And those bills aren't just high.

In many cases, they're bloated. Every time you walk into the hospital, they look at everything that happens to you and say, can I bill for that? It's because they can. They can charge more. Nobody's asking questions, and so they do, and they get away with it. Dr. Marguerite Dwayne delivered naturally just 12 minutes after arriving at the hospital and only stayed one night. I noticed that I had been charged for two hospital nights.

I was charged for medications I didn't receive, such as oxytocin, $958 for his nursery stay. And he didn't spend one minute in the nursery. One woman says she was charged $400 for Motrin and a stool softener. $400 for a stool softener? What is this? A hotel mini bar? If you don't have a stool softener in your hotel mini bar, you gotta go to a better hotel. And all that money doesn't even equal better care, because like I said, health care is a business and a business wants to be efficient, but childbirth isn't efficient. Labor could happen at any moment, or it could take over 18 hours.

It's kind of like orgasms. Is this going to be a quickie or is someone leaving here with carpal tunnel? Nobody knows. Childbirth is messy and unique and complicated, and it needs the mother to walk around and stretch and bounce on a yoga ball and go to the bathroom because maybe you're going to take a dump or maybe that's where you're going to have the baby. I'm serious. That happens a lot. And it's beautiful. the beautiful. the hospital the hospital the hospital the hospital the hospital the hospital the hospital the hospital the hospital the hospital the hospital the hospital the hospital. the hospital the hospital. the hospital. the hospital. the hospital. the hospital. the hospital. the hospital. the hospital. th. thi is thi. thi. thiuui. thi. thiol is, thoe. to be. tooe. tooe. to to be. to be. to be. to be. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t going to have the baby. I'm serious, that happens a lot and it's beautiful. But the hospital would rather have us laying down with sensors attached to our bodies because it's more efficient to monitor all of it at

once from a computer screen, even though screens should be for raising our children, not birthing them. So here's what happens. Now you're lying in a bed and your labor slows down so the hospital speeds up the process by pressure you to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their. their their their. their. their. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the the the the. the the the the. the the the the the the.a. the the the the the the thiiiiii.a.a.a.a.s.s te.s.s.s.s.s.s.s.s.s.s.s. te.s. the and your labor slows down so the hospital speeds up the process by pressure you to take the drugs that induce labor, even though those drugs affect the heart rate of your baby and increase your pain. So then they suggest an epidural where they jam a little needle of fentanyl into your spine to numb your lower body. But now you can't feel your lower body and the doctor comes and say you're not progressing

enough the baby's heartbeat is erratic all the shit we made you do have made everything worse why would you make us do all that shit to you and that brings us to the biggest medical intervention of all C-sections Americans have them at an alarmingly high rate and it doesn't always have to do with the health of the mother the mother the mother the mother the mother the mother the mother the mother the mother the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tooes I I I I I I'm tooes I'm toozy I'm tooes always have to do with the health of the mother or the baby. An alarming number, one in three women giving birth in America today, having a C-section, but too often, C-sections are not needed. Sometimes doctors or hospitals may rush a C-section simply because they think labor has

gone on long enough, or because the maternity ward is especially busy. Another reason for the major increase, just for the sake of convenience. Doctors are rushed. I mean, when someone's giving birth vaginal, it can take a long time, they're in labor, it can take days. C-section, very quick, you're in and you're out. C-sections are major surgery, and they carry all the risks of surgeries. If you have a C-section, in se section section section section section section section section section section section section section, in a the C-in, in the tian section, in, in, in, thu, thu, thu, t, thu, thussection, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is, thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi. thi. thi. th th th th th t t the the the the the the the th thi. th thi-section, in 2018 you have a 90% chance of having a C-section the second time. But the second time, it's a more complicated surgery.

And the third time, it can be like operating on a melted box of crayons. Milted box of crayons! Jesus! What happens the fourth time? We don't even need to do surgery. It just pops out like an alien. And C-sections aren't just risky for the mother. They're also risky for the baby. Children born via C-sections are four times more likely to develop breathing problems. And if my kid is going to have trouble breathing, I want it to be because I raised a dush bag who vapes. Is that cotton candy?

There's got to be a better way to do this. And thankfully, there is. And it's not some newfangled Silicon Valley birthing pod. It's one of the oldest child birth technologies there is. Midwives. A midwife is a clinician who helps you either birth inside of a hospital or outside of a hospital. And for women with uncomplicated pregnancies, midwives are a great idea. Mostly because they don't do unnecessary interventions and they're all about patient autonomy. Can you imagine that? Woman having autonomy? Not in my

America, let's go Brandon. In fact, midwives used to be the Norman delivery until they got pushed out in favor of male doctors. In the early 1900s physicians went on a very effective smear campaign against midwives. They would make posters showing a black granny midwife and a very poor home delivering a baby and saying, would you want this kind of person to deliver your baby? Joseph Daly of Chicago called midwives' relics of barbarism. To me, it appears brutal midw-rifery, not obstetric. It is not the forcips, but it is the man behind the forcips

that counts. The man behind the forcips is what counts. No, you idiot. We don't need you, your forcips, your racism, or that weird landing-strip go tea you got going on. But that's really the point I want to make here. The hospital doesn't just emphasize efficiency and speed over the mother's health and comfort. It emphasizes the doctor's role over the mothers, particularly when obstetricians was being created by men. And it's such a male thing to think that pulling the baby out is the entirety of labor. When all mothers know, that's the easiest part

of the whole thing. It's like pulling a piece of toast out of the toaster and saying, I'm the toaster! So long story short, for women thinking about having a child, know and understand what your options are and what and that this is your birth, not the hospitals, and not the doctors. And look, don't get me wrong. There are pregnancies that this is your birth, not the hospitals, not the doctors. And look, don't get me wrong. There are pregnancies that need medical interventions, but when the hospital needs don't align with yours, remember, you have choices. Just because you're in a hospital doesn't mean you're sick. Childbirth isn't a disease. It's powerful and natural, and we should give women the chance to experience that. And as a side benefit, it'll free up all the

hospital to figure out how this got up my butt. When we come back, I'll talk to an expert on childbirth, Dr. Stewart Fishbine. So don't go away. Hey everybody, John Stewart here. I am here to tell you about my new podcast, The Weekly Show, coming out every Thursday. We're going to be talking about the election earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but

how many of them come out on Thursday? Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is a community-based practicing obstetrician and advocate for the midwifery model of care and human rights and childbirth. He also co-hosts the Burthing Instincts podcast and teaches seminars on breach and twin vaginal birth around the globe. Please welcome Dr. Stewart, it's so great to have you here. It's an honor to be here. And I just have to say, the last segment was, you covered so much that's so true.

And I, as a male physician, I'm try. It's an honor to be here, and I just have to say, the last segment was, you covered so much that's so true. I as a male physician feel a little embarrassed. But I walk in the footsteps of all the midwives that came before me and taught me what I didn't necessarily learn in residency. I see look listen men can give credit to women it's great. Thank you. Thank you. You know you've been you've been in this field for so long. Why do you think there's so much fear around childbirth? Because fear is the strongest emotion that you can control people with.

And I think the reason that we have so much fear in the Western medical world is because the people that are practicing the doctors are taught to fear birth. They're taught birth is a is a medical condition that it needs treatment, that it's chaotic and that we have to control that chaos and so they're fearful and if you talk to most birth workers they have that sense of fear and then they projected onward to the women who of America and other countries and so and it's all you see. I I I the their their their their their their they they their they're they're they're they're they're they're their they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tot. T. Tot. Tot. Tote. Tote. tote. tote. tote. tote. tote. tote. tote. tota tote. I tote. I their their t sense of fear and then they project it onward to the women who of America and other countries and so and it's all you see I mean not that the media is always bad but sometimes there's a lot you know when you see birth and it's very dramatic and it's you know it's very and there's a lot of

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And when she's hungry, she does this amazing thing she eats. And if she's thirsty, she drinks, and if she's uncomfortable, she moves. And when she, if she's interrupted in labor, through the predator approaches or little kids run into the bedroom, the mammal will put out hormones like adrenaline, which will stop their contractions, and they'll get up and they'll run away, and only when it's safe will labor return. And this way, nature ensures that the best chance of success. So what we do in the medical model is essentially antithetical to nature's design. From the moment a woman gets in her car to drive to the hospital, and actually I would say all through the prenatal care period too, to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. So, th. And the them, th. And, the them, them, them, the the their, the their, their, the, the, the, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, the, and, the, the, the, and, the, the, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, sorific, sorificiiiii.s, sorifice.s, sorifice.s, sor.s,a.s.s,a.s,a.s, their, their, their, their. And actually I would say all through the prenatal care period too. So the moment she puts her baby in the

car seat to drive home, pretty much everything that's done to the woman is opposite of what nature has designed. And it's not surprising that labor then doesn't go as well as it should. That we have such high intervention rates, 30 percent, 40 percent C-section rates, some countries at 70 and 80% we have we're inducing women, 30% of women in certain hospitals are being induced. I mean how many cows get induced? You know that's it's just we the medical model sees birth as a problem. The midwifery model sees birth as a normal function of a woman's body, that they trust that nature has a design, and every time you intervene in that design, you will cause

some ripple effect downstream, whether immediate or later. Yeah, and it's interesting because I think we forget that we are animals because, and particularly in birth, in my case, it's like, it was the most animal you feel you know you're you end up you're in these positions where you're like I don't I never pictured I didn't know how my birth would go and I never pictured what actually happened but it was like you do you get in these whatever positions most comfortable you're making these guttural sounds you've never made before and and all of it's just happening to you and I was lucky enough to experience in a way that, you know, where I was at home and it was comfortable and I was allowed to do all those things.

Yeah, if you let a mammal do or a woman do what she wants to do, it's amazing to watch how they will move, they'll do something. The baby's not sitting right in the pelvis. Instead of laying on their back with an epidural, numb, and they can't help their baby, they can move. You'll watch them. They'll put a leg up on the side of the bed. They'll squat. They'll get on all fours.

They'll do certain things. The medical model has taken all that theirls. 80% of women getting induced and in some hospitals, 90% of women getting epidurals. And that breaks that connection that women and their babies have. It's a beautiful symphony of hormones that's been going on from the moment of conception. And once that gets interrupted, the baby is sort of left on its own to fend. When a woman gets an epidural, its mom is no longer being able to help it. And so you see that, like you described in your last segment, you see that change in the fetal heart rate, and then we've got to do something, and then they get a baby that's perfectly

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kind of alternative like woo woo you know like oh you're very odd you had a home birth and I was like I don't know I just maybe I'm lazy no I mean people people well often this is an interesting thing when when we talk on the podcast we talk about the C-situatrate being too high or epidural rate being too high we'll get letters or direct messages or whatever that tell us that we're saming somebody. We're not we're not the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Maybe th. Maybe the. Maybe theat, maybe theat, maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe th. Maybe th. Maybe th. Maybe th. Maybe th. Maybe th. Maybe th. th. Maybe th. Maybe th. th. th. Maybe th. th. Maybe th. Maybe th. Maybe th. Maybe th. Maybe th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I's not not not not th. I's the. I'm not theat. I'm theat. theat. theateateateat. I theat. theat. theeeeat. I theat. I'm the. I'm the. I'm too high. We'll get letters or direct messages or whatever that tell us that we're shaming somebody. We're not shaming anybody. But they're starting to project a little bit of their own guilt

on the fact that maybe things didn't go the way they wanted to. All we want to do is let people know that they have these choices and these options. And that's not something something something something something something something something something something something something something you you you you you you you you that's not something something something something something the medical model. You can't do in a five-minute, six-minute prenatal visit what a midwife does in an hour prenatal visit. You just can't. And I feel for my colleagues that are sort of in the hamster wheel of the medical model that they can't get out. Because the one thing that's really happened that in my lifetime that I saw there was really bad was doctors became employees of hospitals and hospital systems.

And then their loyalty and their fiduciary duty became compromised because as a solo practitioner, my responsibility is the woman that I'm caring for. As a doctor working in a hospital setting, if they don't want you to do VBAGILBATS, VATOBATS, or they don't want you to let anyone go past 41 weeks, then you'll have to skew your counseling to get the woman to do what your system wants to do, not what the doctor wants to do. And you know, I don't know that there's a lot of happy obstetricians out there. I don't think that a lot of them really give up OB. They go through all that training and then they come out and they just don't want to do it anymore.

A lot of nurses leave nursing, they leave OB nursing, because they just can't watch what goes on there. And my experience with a midwife is that I got a lot of prenatal care, but which is very important, but I also got a lot of postnatal care, and she was very involved in the afterbirth process. And I think that's also something that's missing. It's almost like you have the baby and then you're pushed out of the hospital, like literally in a wheelchair and then it's like, bye, good luck.

See you in six weeks. Yeah. Yeah. When I was a resident, you never see a normal birth as a resident. Because you're not watching a woman in labor. You're called to the deliver room or to the labor room when the nurses need you to do something. So they never watched the sounds that you make, or the things that you're saying, the guttural sounds, their movements, the movement, and the movement's the movement's the movement's the movement's the movement's the movement's the movement's the movement's the movement's the movement's women's the movement, you you're the movement, you're the movement, you're the movement, you're the woe, you're the movement, you're not wa, you're not. the movement, you're not. the woe, you're not. the woe, the woe, the woe, the woe, the woe, the woe, the woman. the woman. the woman, the woman. the woman. the woman. the woman. the woman. the woman. the woman... the woman. the woman.. the woman.. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thean woeaneaneaneaneaneaneantean'teantean th th th th throooooooooo th th th th th th th th ththat a woman wants that makes. You never know what the normal progress of labor is. So nothing is moving fast enough. So every time you're called to the room,

you're asked to do something. You put on a glove, you do a vaginal exam, you order petosan, you rupture membranes, you do these things. And this is how young doctors are being trained back off. Maybe 15% of women need medicalized hospital-based care. The other 85% if the hospitals would leave them alone, could do it without much intervention at all. The problem is is that hospitals don't make money doing nothing. They make money doing something. And so there isn't, there is, they won't do that. And they

just, they will not leave a woman alone. And they can't make a hospital more home like adding curtains and a hardwood floor to the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the and they just they will not leave a woman alone and they can't make a hospital more home like adding curtains and a hardwood floor to a labor room doesn't make it more like home right they just they don't know how to leave a patient alone they just don't know how to do it and even calling them patients I just made an error we call them clients in our world because they're not sick. It's like breathing or it's like digestion. These are innate functions of our body, they're primitive brain functions. Fortunately most of us don't have to think about breathing or digestion. Can you imagine thinking, breathe in, breathe out, or anything?

You can't do that. But when you have pneumonia or when you have colitis, you need a doctor. But you don't need a doctor to breathe or to dge in breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, to get a to get don't need a doctor to breathe or to digest food or to get pregnant or to go through your prenatal care or to deliver a baby. These are all natural functions that nature has designed and again I want to reiterate every time you intervene in Mother Nature's design there is going to be consequences. Even my co-host Bliss likes to say even if you walk in the room when a woman is in labor and you quietly ask them can I get you anything or how you're doing, you're actually bringing them out of their primitive brain into their cognitive brain and you're slowing down

the labor process. Yeah it would be nice if we could just believe you know women can do it. I'm living proof that they can't. And I'm living proof that somebody who went through the medical model, you know, I was trained in a very academic program. I was actually very lucky because the program I worked at was affiliated with a very, very busy hospital. It's actually the busiest hospital in the country back in the early 80s. And so I learned the breach and twin, but I also learned that it was a medicalized process and only coming out and being open to the fact that I was approached by midwives to take

their homebirth transports. And I didn't do it because I thought midwifery was smart or homebirth was smart. I probably thought it was stupid like most doctors do. But I was presid enough to listen to what the midwives had to say and to learn from the women who were in labor that they didn't have all the things that I thought they needed and they still did fine. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah that you do. I'm really appreciated. You're welcome. Can I say one more thing? Sure. Today is my daughter's 27th birthday and I want to wish my daughter Madeline a very

happy birthday. Happy birthday Madeline. Be sure to check out Dr. Sue's birthing instincts podcast and website. We're going to take a quick break but we'll be back after this. That is so great. Thank you so much. And we really want to that. Yeah. That's it. That's it. to be the the

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