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Episode Date: October 25, 2026

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You're listening to Comedy Central. Washington Bureau Chief for Mother Jones and bestselling author whose latest book is How Russia Won, Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and the Fight for America. Please welcome to the show, David Corn. Sir, how Russia won, I don't even know where I'm holding up,

very timely, this new sanctions deal that has been announced by Donald Trump against the Lindsay Graham Act that was just passed a month ago. Yeah. Is this the culmination?

Is this Trump and Putin becoming, for lack of a better phrase, Instagram official? Is that, is this the consummation of this? It is. I think up to now on Facebook, you could say it was complicated, right? But for about 12 years or so, Donald Trump has said again and again and again, he wants to be friends with Vladimir Putin. when he announced the Miss Universe contest that he used to own, that he held in 2013, he said, will Putin become my new best friend?

Is that when they met? They didn't meet, though he was obsessed about meeting Putin. That's all he wanted to meet him then. He wanted to meet him so, so much. It didn't happen. And Russia and Soviet officials, since the late 80s, have dangled business deals in front of Donald Trump again and again and again. They've been cultivating him for decades. Did he resist them?

Well, no, the deals never. I don't think they were serious. I think they let him on. The deals really never came together. Can you believe that? From Russia? How dare they? But he has always wanted to be in business with Vladimir Putin.

But isn't that just Russian business that he's comfortable with the way Russia does business. He's kind of an oligarch at heart. I can't imagine, maybe you're not suggesting this, that they were grooming him for some potential, political... No, don't!

I would imagine that that's how they do business. Wasn't he laundering oligarch money? I use the word cultivate, as they do with many prominent people. He showed an interest in doing deals with Russia. They liked that, and they've been working or trying to work with him for many years.

And when he was around in that first presidency, which you might remember, I don't. He was... I know. There were guardrails. There were people around him. He tried to reach out to Putin again and again. Remember, Putin was kicked out of the G8 for taking over a big piece of Ukraine called Crimea.

And so the G8 said, you can't come and play with us anymore. He would go to G8 meetings to say, where's Vladimir? Why is he not here? He wanted to be, you know, won with him. And there were guardrails, and it didn't happen. And though Russia attacked our 2016 election, he kept denying it happened. He aided and abetted the attack by amplifying Putin's no denials. And it was kind of a rough time for him.

I think now that he's back in power, he sees his chance to consummate, as you said, his man crush on Vladimir Putin. Because I don't know what else to call it. But why? But there's a reason. I mean, you're going to ask why. I was about to ask you why. I mean, we know that he has an affection for authoritarian rulers.

He wrote love letters to Ken Jong-un. That's right. He likes Xi Jinping, Erdogan, in Turkey. But there's something about Putin that stands out. And you can look at the, you know, the Ukraine war was running when he came into office. He saw that as a nuisance. The Ukraine war. The Ukraine war.

It was a nuisance to him forging this bond with Vladimir Putin. Now, this is sounding like some sort of weird psychosexual. Like, what do you? Yes. I rue the Ukraine war keeping me from, my Vladimir. But you sound crazy. But you know, if you go back and you look at all the times that he dumped on Zelensky, blamed Zelensky for the war.

Never once blaming Putin for invading the country, he often said, you know, Vladimir and I understand each other. In fact, we went through some things together. People who worked with him in the first term. Worked with Trump in the first term were befuddled by his affection for Putin. They just kept trying to convince him that Putin's not a good guy and that we had conflict that we needed to resolve. And he just wouldn't go along with that. He kept wanting to call Putin and congratulate him on the most recent elections that were rigged. Putin's elections.

Putin's elections. And now that he's back in office and I think he's coming to see the end of his second term, we hope. He's come to the realization that he can't wait for the Ukraine war to be over. that that was getting in the way and it used to be once the war is over we can cut deals and we can stride the world together and now in the last

week this is the culmination this is how Russia won he is saying forget that we're going to start making deals now regardless of the war so this is forgetting about maybe the framing of he wants to be his best friend or he wants to be a man crush this is really

about a theory of power in the world the United States established a world order after World War II that was we were allied with other liberal representative democracies and the rules of the road and we didn't hate Canada actually they seem very nice. And now is this the culmination of he sees a world order that is a triumph for it. Trump, Putin, and Xi Jinping basically divide up the spoils of what we see. Is that overstating it? No, I think when he looks, one person who worked with him,

in the first term told me, when he looks at Trump, when Trump looks at Putin, he sees one of the richest guys in the world, and a guy has total authority, and Trump wants both of that. So yes, he wants to divide up the world. The idea that we're governed by international laws and roles is offensive to him.

He doesn't like dealing with those petty, pesky little democracies like they have in Europe or in Canada. And this is what Putin's been aiming, at. This plays to what Putin wants. He wants to restore the Soviet-Russian empire. The biggest obstacle to that is what? NATO and those Western liberal representative governments that you talked about that used to be led by the United States. And so he's waged a shadow war, which is what I write about in the book, against the West and the United States trying to exacerbate the political discord we have here, which is our own responsibility, and create

divisions within NATO itself. And I mean, this is his plan. It's one of the most successful covert operations in modern history. And this week, we see success. What would hold him back? What then would be the guard? I mean, it's very cynical if we're to...

Let me give a counter case that is slightly less Dr. Evil in a volcano and slightly more... Maybe it gives Trump. more credit, maybe it gives him less credit. He's used to running the Trump organization, and he was trained by Roy Cohn.

And the Trump organization has no sharehold. It's, I want to get something done. I say it. I do business, like a businessman. I take the spoils. Hey, fuck you pay me, that kind of thing. You mean like a mob boss? Thank you. And so he is much more comfortable

going to a country and going, who's in charge here? Who do I have to talk to? And if the idea is, well, we have a parliamentary system and then if you could talk to them and then what we'll do is we'll take a vote on it. Right. Right. So it's less, I have a vision of the world as illiberal powers and authoritarians, you know, basically strip mining its riches and more like, I just like to deal with one guy.

The issue is to what end? Yes. Why is he want to do that? I'm asking you. I just asked you. No, you're asking me. Well, we know that he's made $7 billion in crypto. A lot of this is personal arrangement.

How much more does he need? Well, how many yachts can you water ski behind? I think five. Okay. I'm good with three. But so to what end? I think, you know, we see him. There's this thing we have called the Constitution.

It does put... Tell me more. Is that in this book as well? It's the appendix, yes. And he does not want to adhere to. He said that democracy is messy, and he wants to have a regime, I think that's a fair word for it, where he gets to rule and he gets to enrich, that includes his clan and his cronies. And some of his relatives, not all of them.

He doesn't like every one of them. Sure. Right? And so he looks at Putin, and he goes, that's kind of a model. That's a model. He sees that as a... But there's also, I mean, I keep going back to this. There's something personal there.

You know, the book opens with a scene that you'll remember a year ago, August, when Putin flies to Alaska. Sure. He's a pariah. No other head of state will meet with him, but he flies to Alaska, Trump's invitation to supposedly resolve the war on Ukraine, which doesn't, of course, happen. Putin comes down, red carpet. Yes. Trump's waiting at the end of the red carpet. Go back and look.

This is on YouTube. He's bouncing up and down, clapping his hands. He looks like a kid at Chris. Christmas morning. No, this is the guy, to be fair, he is blind. You don't know what music was playing. That's true. It might have been very much on beat.

It is, he, he, but to the point of like, the phone call he made with Ukraine, which he does have Antipathy for, where he threatened their military shipments unless they would get him dirt on Joe Biden, he referred to as a perfect phone call. What I'm saying is he does business in a corrupt and extortionate manner. So he doesn't view, there's nothing wrong with Vladimir Putin. It's what you would get away with if you could get away with it. Which is what he wants to do. He's a moral judgment on him.

Which is why he doesn't care about Ukrainian democracy. The fact that Putin invaded Ukraine doesn't bother him. In fact, you know, we see what, you know, what happened in the last couple of days with him basically saying this is Zelensky's fault. He called Zelensky a dictator the other day. He has never called Putin a dictator. He's never blamed Putin for invading Russia. There's no peace there. He blames Zelensky.

There's a very simple way to end the war. Putin could end the war. Right. Right? You could leave. You could just, okay. It's not his. My bad.

My bad. I'm sorry. I'm taking the troops back. But he never puts pressure on Putin. In your mind, does Donald Trump truly believe that the world would be a safer, more stable, more prosperous place if it was run by three authoritarian, a triumvirate of Russia, China, and the United States? Does he truly believe that those alliances are not what keeps us on a more prosperous, pass? I think, John,

you're giving him too much credit. By the way, first time for everything. Finally. It's been a while. He was very good on The Apprentice. I remember watching The Apprentice and thinking, that's a good show. Yeah, he was okay in S&L. Right. Right. But

you're saying that he's thinking about the stability and security of the rest of the world. I don't think he is. I think this is very much driven from what he wants for himself and for those around him. Listen, I mean, do you think he watches a show? Because I would love to... This show.

You think he watches this show? I don't think he has cable. No, I don't. I don't. I don't. By the way, South Park is on before us. I'm pretty sure he doesn't watch. Because I would love to sit down and talk to him, because he doesn't talk in those terms. If he has a geopolitical theory about why you can sabotage democracy in Ukraine,

toss them overboard, and cut deals with a guy who's an indicted war criminal, who has kidnapped thousands of Ukrainian children and who's lobbying bombs at civilian sites. If he has a geopolitical theory about why that's good for the rest of us, I'd like to hear it. I mean, I really would like to hear it. Can I tell you what I think it is?

Do you ever watch Peaky Blinders? Oh, yes. Okay. You don't like this. Okay, good. All right. Do you remember the vendetta season with Adrian Brody when he's... played a Luca

the guy from Italy and then it came down so there was a theory of power that Thomas Shelby learned from the vendetta and that was the theory called big f*** small and that's how he ends up getting revenge

yeah don't you think that is we're all looking for some larger geopolitical when in his mind he's like big small like that's how it's supposed to be And I'm big, so I f*** small, and Putin's big, so he f*** small, and Xi Jinping is big, and he f*** small. He literally just looks at it, but that's the jungle, and this is the jungle. Well, you know, Stephen Miller, you know Stephen Miller, right?

I'm familiar. I mean, he put out a tweet, a next, whatever you call it, a truth, well, than not truths, a couple months ago, in which he said literally, might, makes right. And that's, you know, to your point earlier about having a geopolitical order that's based on rules. and respects and even, you know, honoring international borders. And agreement. They say to hell with that. I mean, Trump, it's just a hindrance because it gets in the way of him being a very corrupt and rich emperor.

So that's why he doesn't like these rules. And so I think, you know, yeah, it goes back to the mob boss. Did anybody say to him about the might make rights? Like, I don't know if you know this, but like, that is kind of what the world tried. Like the whole point of the post-world order was, We were going to try to move away from, might make's right, because it's getting us a tremendous amount of bloodshed. It's why we did the Geneva Convention.

It's why we did all these treaties on nuclear weapons. We thought that this would move away from a more Darwinian approach. And you see Trump basically dumping on our alliances. You mentioned Canada and NATO. He says, I'm going to take Greenland if I want to and throw. the NATO alliances? Because big, say it with me. Big? Small.

Want to be presumptuous? When this comes out in paperback, that should be the title. Remarkable. How does this in your mind ultimately play out? Will they do the summit where Xi Jinping and Putin, without Ukraine's involvement, without Europe's involvement, decide this is what we're doing going forward? they will have a vote in it. Well, the other side always gets a vote.

Right. They always get a vote. And so Putin, as you just referenced, has called for this summit with Trump and Xi Jinping without Zelensky, Ukraine, to resolve the war. Well, how do you think Putin wants to resolve the war? Amicably? Exactly.

And fairly. And so, I mean, I think it's going to be very tough for Trump to say no. He has invited him kindly to the G20 meeting that is coincidentally happening at his Doral resort in Florida, right? Just to say that before you go into your whole spiel, no markups. He has been very clear all the food is going to be coming at wholesale prices. That's true. And so he's going to be meeting him in December. And I think it's going to be very hard for him to say no to a, it's not a one-on-one, a one.

It's a thruple, right, that they're going to try to have. you're back on that. Now you're back. You know, I think it's going to... Big f*** him all. Wouldn't you... Thank you. You can't copy like that. Wouldn't...

Don't you think one of the most difficult parts about this? It's one of the few areas where Donald Trump's pronouncement, even more so than his AI is now super intelligence, which nobody other than those people who run tech companies are now doing just because it keeps them away from regulation. Almost more than anything, Americans will not accept the idea that Vladimir Putin is an honorable ally to the United States and does not wish this country ill. I think most Americans will not accept that. The interesting thing, though, is that the Republican Party has gone along with almost everything he has done. Even after passing the sanction bill that you've highlighted earlier on, you know, Trump Kiss came along.

And we knew this was going to happen. And he waived the sanctions. He was not going to accept this. He's tried to weaken or write off every sanction that has been imposed on Vladimir Putin since he's been president both times. And so, you know, they sent a letter. Six or ten of them sent a letter to Trump saying, we disagree. Boom. Boom.

And I bet it was maybe at some points italicized. Bold. Maybe bold? There's probably an underlining. But no exclamation. To whom it may concern? No, it's me. And so, has anyone, you know, really come down hard on him? No. And that's why, in my mind, you can make all the cases about the economy and things like that. In my mind, there's not a Republican in Congress who deserves to be reelected because of the fecklessness in which they have managed this very...

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11 studio albums, 30 years, multiple Grammy nominations, yet when you started in 1997, you were handing out cassette tapes as a demo, and we're still here. We are somehow still here. What has the journey been like? I mean, think about when you started

versus now how much it's all changed. It feels this period of the music industry in the world, I guess, at large, there's been such an unbelievable amount of change in the technology and how we make music and how we get information. It feels like there really hasn't been an era like this since the invention of the phonograph as far as how much the nature of making

music has really changed. So it's, we've kind of straddled the digital era. Right. And it's, it's been a while ride. This album is beautiful. I built you a tower. It's your 11th album. Tell us a little bit about what the album is about and what the title means. Yeah, the album is kind of an exploration on the compartmentalization of grief in the sense that sometimes when we have to compartmentalize that grief so we can get through our day. You know, we have to go to work. That's what I'm doing wrong. Yeah, there you go. So, and but in that compartmentalization, there are these moments where you might see a photograph, you might hear a song, we might smell something that reminds us of somebody a scent of some sort, and we're kind of

brought back into the moment. We're brought back into our grief when we're actually trying to compartmentalize it and move on with our lives. Does it help you process the grief to write an album? Can art be therapy for you? Yeah, well, art is not a, should not be a substitute for actual therapy. That's what I'm doing wrong, too. So I try to do both. I try to do real therapy.

Smart. But yes, of course. I mean, when you're able to take something outside of yourself and kind of put it on the table and take it apart, see how it works, an emotion or a thought, that you learn something about yourself, you learn something about why you feel the way you do, and hopefully when you leave that creative process,

you feel like you've been able to understand yourself and whatever situation that you're writing about better. I mean, sometimes when I do comedy, I'll leave and I'll think, hey, that felt really good for me, but it wasn't funny for anybody else. When you're writing music, when you're writing music, how do you know,

why are you clapping at that? Sure, you can be writing music. that might feel like therapy, but it also needs to be enjoyable for us to listen to. And this album does that, but there is grief in this album. Well, yes, I mean, and my thought's always been that if I'm feeling a particular sentiment or something, or there's something I want to write about,

I write a lot of songs. I wrote, and we as the band wrote roughly 90 songs with this record that got carved down to 11. What? Yeah. Like, there even are 90 songs in the world? There's 11 songs on this album. There are 11 songs on this album.

There were 90 songs that got called down to an 11. But I'm a songwriter. That's what I do for a living. So I feel like I have an obligation to do my job. Yeah. So I do it. But I find that the songs that resonate the most are the ones that, even if they might be about a particular subject that is painful for me,

it's possible that other people have felt the same way about this. So I think the songs in our catalog that resonate the most, they might be songs that are about, rather model in subjects, or they might be dealing with emotions that are difficult to kind of articulate, but that we've all felt them. And I think that when we listen to these songs, we listen to sad music, for example, of which we make a lot. We feel less alone. We feel that if somebody felt the impulse to write about this particular subject, I felt the same way about that. I don't feel as alone as maybe I did before I heard that song. I love sad music.

It's my favorite kind of music. Yeah, I mean, obviously Death Cab for Cudy has had emotion embedded in its music for all of these years, but let's back up. 90 songs. How do you pick which ones make it? Where are the other 79 songs?

A lot of them were very bad. I mean, I could write you a song right now. It would be pretty terrible. But for musicians out there listening to this, or young men or women who want to learn to write music, is it creating a bad song so then you can get to the good song? What is that process for you?

Well, and even in most bad songs, there's something in the song that you might be able to kind of call or mine or use elsewhere, right? And oftentimes I've gone through periods of time where I've spent maybe a month in my studio writing, writing, writing, not really getting anywhere, feeling rather despondent, feeling like maybe I've written my last good song, maybe I'm done doing this, maybe I should just, you know,

ride off into the sunset. And then within a very short period of time, I might go in the studio and write something that I'm very proud of and that when I play for my bandmates, they're like, wow, that's a really great song. And I feel like oftentimes you have to write through the garbage to get through good stuff. And that writing is a muscle, the less you use it,

it atrophies. And then when you start using it again, you have to build that muscle the way you would if you were lifting weights. Wait, are you telling me your bandmates will tell you it's a good song, but you're the leader. So do they, don't they always have to tell you that you're a good song? Or as part of being in a band being honest and saying, hey, this sucks.

They don't quite use that language. Fair enough. But I think it's, I think one of the reasons that we've had the career that we've had is that we practiced a form of radical honesty with each other. I love that. Which is that, look, you know, not everything that I do is great. As I said, I wrote, we wrote 90 songs this record and most of them were trash. But, you know, it's, they're also very encouraging of the material that is good or that they feel is worth recording. So it's not so much that they're going through each song saying how much they dislike it as much as they are focusing on the ones that they do.

And, you know, we've been together in some form or fashion for 30 years. And I've learned that, you know, the best thing about being in a band is that you have people to bounce ideas off of. And you have, and if you trust them, they're going to, they're going to be your best critic. and they're going to kind of steer you in the best possible direction. That's awesome to hear. And obviously you love making music because you don't do this for 30 years and 11 albums if it isn't within you and passion within you. Something else I want to turn to is you run ultra marathons.

Yes. When you're not on the road with your band, what is an ultramarathon? I guess technically it's anything over a marathon. But traditionally the first, the first did. of ultramarathoning is a 50K, which is around 31 miles. And do ultra marathoners do that just so they can call marathoners pussies? Some probably do.

I don't. That's not your motivation. That's not my motivation. No. Why is running that distance important to you? I find a level of transcendence in running long distances. When I run it, you know, I ran five miles around Manhattan this morning and It was really lovely.

It was lovely? It was lovely. You didn't have 18 different bicycles and taxi drivers tried to kill you or anything? Not this morning. I was up early enough. Were you attempting to run five miles, or was you just trying to go across the street and everyone was chasing? It was actually about five miles.

And that's an enjoyable and normal amount to run. But I find that when I get into 50 mile, 100K, 100 mile, there are these moments where everything kind of falls away and I become kind of just a being in space. And it's this very transcendent moment. And people have various ways of getting there. Some people do meditation. Some people do psychedelics.

Some people run ultramarathons. Some people do all three. So I've chosen just this one, though. I haven't done an ultramarathon, but I do think I've accessed that part of just being. Isn't it wild what pops in? Yes. Why is that there?

You know, I'm hiking this summer, and I'm deep, and I'm there. And then all of a sudden it's like, hey, you never sent a thank you card to that woman from 13 years ago. Why is that there? Yeah, I feel as a songwriter, I spend a lot of time alone in my studio in my own head.

And as you're putting it in those terms, maybe it's not great for my mental health and spend as much time on the trail doing this other thing where I'm in my head all the time. Maybe that's a subject for my therapist tomorrow, I suppose. How are your calves? Good calves. You have good calves?

Because 100 miles, it's tough on the calves. I've had issues with my calves. How are you keeping your calves? This is just for me and him right now, not you guys. How are you keeping your calves healthy? That, to me, is a block for running long distances. I don't make me... You didn't expect this question, though?

I've never... Caves have never been my issue. Okay, great. Do you stretch calves beforehand or... No, I don't believe in stretching before running. Maybe that's my problem. Maybe you're doing that wrong. You've been very public and open about quitting

alcohol 2008. I love sharing stories of people quitting alcohol. I feel like we need to share this more in the world. How difficult was that? How important was that for you to do that? It was very important to me.

And, you know, I just hit a moment where I had gone on a bender out of town and I was on the flight coming home. And I had said to myself, like, wow, that was really crazy. And we should really get this under control. Okay.

But it's my friend's birthday tonight. So let's just go out and have a beer. Let's have one beer. The moderation starts tonight. Right. And then I'm stumbling into my apartment at 3 in the morning, having drank more than one beer. Right, right.

And I woke up the next morning, and I was like, I think I'm done. I told myself to regulate this. I've lost the ability to regulate it. And I also was living with this, I don't know, I want to see a fear, but an expectation that at some point I would walk into a room and everybody, that I loved would be in that room, and they were going to tell me that I needed to stop.

So I decided I'd rather take that control over myself in that moment, and that was in February of 2008. That's awesome, and thank you for sharing that, and it's the greatest of you. I love that word regulate. That's an important word for all of us. How do you regulate your calf muscles? Well, thank you very much for being here

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Yeah. Let's talk about this film, man. Okay. I suppose we have to... Yeah, I watched it. It was great. Yeah. You want to tell people what's about? I don't want to put what you?

Sure, okay, yeah. I actually don't even really know anymore what it's about. I'll keep answering this question. I think the more I'd answer it, the weird of the answers sound, and maybe I'm not sure. It's about a woman. It's not even about a woman. It's about a robot. I don't know what it's about. Just go see it, and that's the end of the interview. Okay.

Okay, so Jenna Ortega plays a robot set in the near future where everyone's so disconnected and out of touch with each other. You have to buy an artificial friend for your children, just to hang out. out with them. It's not really an AI sort of situation. It's just a dumb robot that hangs out in your house. And she plays that, and Amy Adams is the mother. And it's about this robot who's looking to understand love and seeking to bring this

broken family back together. Yeah. Well, it's not that far-fetched from what's happening right now. Can I have just heard that people are about to buy robots to put in their houses? I mean, forget robots now. People are becoming friends with their phones right now. And going out with them as well, yeah. Dating their phones and apps.

So, I mean, I don't know. This is your commentary on AI or... Well, no, because, you know, it was too late now. It's not even a future movie, is it? Right. It's happening right now. Yeah. Too late.

When did you make this? Don't watch the movie. Just go live it. We should, like, two years ago. Two years ago. Not many people were talking about AI and the threats of AI. I think, you know, when people were talking about ChatGip T was still a novelty. Yeah, it was.

Remember what was it? Mid Journey, that thing everyone was using to create this terrible picture. and everyone's like, this is incredible! And then you step back and you realize it's all trash. Yeah. So, I mean, okay, so let's take a step back into this film. It's based on a book. Best in a book by Kizu Ishiguro.

He wrote an incredible book. He's been many, many great novels. But Remains of the Day, back in the day, was one of the great films that was adapted from his book. And, yeah, and I've stumbled across this book at an airport, just looking for something to read. and you know when you go to the airport bookstores it's just full of spy novels

or books about how to crush your enemy in business and I'm little to zero interest in neither of those so I took this one sweet novel about a robot looking for love and I read it and it just spoke to me and I wanted to ruin it with an adaptation you didn't ruin it

it's great I watched it, it's a real feel good movie it's a beautiful movie it pulls out of heartstrings it's really well made you know I think the casting was great. You know, how was it to find the cast for this? It was super easy because I'm a very popular person. I've had a great reputation. Everybody wants to be happy with you. I'd like to tell you, it was like some sort of like, you know, intense journey to find the cast and to convince them.

No, they're all begging the world. You just write checks and they come. No, that's not true. They trusted you to do it when you execute. I mean, General Otega, she, you know. But she's incredible. I mean, what are they? No, she was killing in this.

She is a freak. I mean, how amazing is her acting and everything and just the fact. She makes really crazy decisions, you know, for a kid actor to be doing all of, making just strange decisions with her roles. It's just great. Yeah. She's always amazing. I mean, this is how good these guys were because they play robots. And there's scenes where they have to be completely still and only move, like, one part of their body.

Yeah. Because they're trying to freeze those robots. And I was watching this, like, is this CGI or their body control is so good? She's very robotic acting. She was great a robot. She's great. And Amy Adams, the great, one of the greats that we have. Amy Adams is in it playing the mother, I've loved for many years.

Yeah, and Mia is in it, right? Mia three years in it. Aaron Murphy, Killeen Murphy's son, is in it. He's big right now with everyone comparing him to his dad. And then, and also Natasha Leon. Yeah, Natasha Leone. You got the all-star cast. You brought them all to New Zealand to make this film.

And it's... The beautiful, the great... Nation of New Zealand. Yeah. Do you guys even know what that is? You just, you just cheered. You don't even know what it is. They don't know.

Where it is, you just thought of, I've been there. Middle Earth. I've been there. It's great. You thought of Xenor Warrior Princess. And Hercules and Kiwis and, yeah, I've been there. I've been there. Like, I go there all the time.

We know. We know. Down there, we know. And I love New Zealand. It's great. It's like why all these billionaires are trying to. make into their personal bunkers. Yeah.

It's like white people who are you. We don't want them. I don't know how they got in. I don't know how they got in. Yeah, they're all down there. It sounds like it's a great place to make films, though. It's a great place in apocalypse to be. You know, it's a great place.

If you are going to be, uh... If you're going to be responsible for the end of the world, it's a great place to build a bunker. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's great, I mean, total, total, it's totally isolated, everyone that's polite, there's capuchinos on every block. So, which I'm boring. Some would say if you grew up there, you might say boring.

If you're not from there, you're going to say it's quaint and sweet. No, it's quirky. It's got this quirky sensibility that's coming out in the films they make. I think pound for pound, New Zealand, what's the population size? About 4 million humans. Yeah, that's like nothing. Really? That's like zero.

Not about the quantity, is it? That's what I'm saying. They punch above their weight. They punch above their weight, New Zealand. They got everybody. They got the fly the concords. They got Peter Jackson. They got Tiger Woods Caddy. Bad example.

They got the New Zealand rugby team. They got Taika. They got... That's 32 people. Yeah, that's what we got. But what is it? Why did they punch above their way in New Zealand? Because we live very... We see the world objectively. We like to look out at the world and study it.

And then we sort of, you know... I think our point of view is just very different. from anywhere else. No, he's definitely. We, um, yeah, we, um, yeah, we, we're just quiet people who, you know, like to, what, I don't know, how to describe. I'm not here to talk about the country of New Zealand because none of you invited. I'm not promoting it.

Okay? I'm not promoting my country to you. You can't come there. Yeah, it's almost like a, it's kind of like a secret. Yeah, we don't want you. I love you guys. I love this country. We don't want you.

No, you don't, you don't, and also, like, they make great films. I mean, can you talk about coming up as a film? filmmaker in New Zealand a little bit? Yeah. Because people think it's hard to make films here. Imagine coming out of New Zealand. It's hard to make films just in general. But growing up in New Zealand, I grew up in a very small town.

There weren't many options for career choices. If you were to tell eight-year-old me about filmmaking, I would have called you a liar. The fact that there was a job where you could go to work and pretend things and dress up in costumes and pretend things inside of a rectangle. For a lot of money. For a lot of money.

For a ton of money. Yeah. There's only fishing. And so, you know, but now that's changed. And, you know, we've got a thriving film industry. And, yeah, we make really beautiful films. And, you know, what's great, I think, is that, you know, for young people who wanting to get into the arts

and wanting to get into filmmaking, you know, I would say, like, you know, one of the most important things is just to remember that, you know, your creative vision and the way you see the world is unique to you. Don't let people tell you that you're wrong for, being creative in a certain way, or don't let people sort of try and squash your dreams or the way you see the world.

You know, they can eat shit. It's your life, it's your brain. It's good. It's good. You know, stick to your guns, because, you know, I think for a lot of us that, you know, just putting ourselves out there and making films and daring to, you know,

to have a career like this, a lot of people hate that. Yeah. A lot of people hate anyone achieving. a dream. Yeah. You know, it's a lot of jealousy out there. So you're gonna like sort of shut that off and just stick with your guns.

Stick to your guns. No. Then do your thing. Unless you've got guns. Don't stick to your guns. Don't stick to your guns unless they're actual guns. Other than that's your gun. I know, I've had the pleasure of working with you

because you directed me. I got to see it firsthand. We're not supposed to promote this, but whatever. F***er, interior Chinatown on Hulu, check it out. Taika, me and Jimmy Ory. Beautiful project. Beautiful project. Yeah.

And I got to see it firsthand. And maybe you're too modest to talk about yourself or analyze yourself from outside. No, I'm fine. I'll keep going. I'll analyze you, man. I saw you on set. First time I saw you, it was like this, it was, it was like working with the hardest director on the planet, both in looks and inability.

Okay. Okay. So good looking. I mean, I was on state. Say on that for a bit. Yeah. You're so good looking. I almost turn gay and whatever.

And you were very free on set. That's what really struck me is that. you as the director, when you were showing things, you were just free. You were like, whatever, let's do it. You would not only improvise lines most of the times, you were improvised props and sets. I remember there were times when we were in a fight scene,

and after this fight scene, we filmed it, we practiced it, we filmed it, and then in between setups, we're just hanging around and we're kind of like goofing off. I thought we were goofing off. And you were talking about how, like, it wouldn't be funny if you threw a plate and it stuck here, and then all the blood came out

of his throat like that. And I was like, oh yeah, ha, ha, That would be very funny if you did that. And then you made it happen. And that's not something that most directors would be able to do, you know. And whether it's, you know, be free enough and brave enough to do it or even have the people at hand who are willing to, you know. So is that a mixture of picking the right people?

I think that all of us just have to remember that we're little kids trapped in grown-up bodies. Like, you look in the mirror, you know, a lot of the time, they're like, who's this old woman looking back at me? And, you know, that's how I feel. And then I'm like, and when then I turn into an old woman? And I think you've just got to remember, you know, you still have to be playful, curious. You've just got to, like, life is so short, man. Fleeting and you've just got to have fun, especially with your job.

If you're going to work going, oh God, here we go again. You know, it's just, you've got to try and change that. And I think, especially with what we do, always have fun and always pivot and move. And, you know, it's what keeps us fresh. Sure. And, yeah, keeps us from growing up. Well, here's the other anecdote I want to share. I don't know if people know this yet, but the other, I was, this is before I met you,

I was in Australia. I'm going to name drop my projects, and I was filming Godzilla v. Kong in Gold Coast. I was Chinatown shopkeeper number one. Check it out. Oh, you got that? Yeah. Oh, you got that one. Yeah, everyone was wondering.

You got that, roll. Okay. Yeah, I connect Act 1 to Act 2 in the right now. And I was filming this thing, whatever role. And the driver who was driving me to set was a Maori woman living in Australia. And she said she worked with you. And she said, Taika's our guy.

We lent him to the Australians or the Americans to you. He's our tribe. And she said that you would bring Aboriginal Australian kids on set when you were filming Thor. And you had a group of them and you'd be like, Hey, what do you like to do? You like costumes? Okay, here's the costume person.

Go work at them. What do you like? You like cameras? Here's the DP. What do you like? You like acting? Here's Chris Hensworth. What do you like directing?

Come with me. And you bring these Aboriginal kids and you just, you know, and I'm asking you, why were you comfortable wasting everyone's money with that? Yeah. Because there's so much waste. You've got to sometimes waste it, you know,

waste it for good. For good. Yeah. Yeah. And like, as I was saying, growing up, they weren't opportunities like that for me. and then having somewhat slight power now when I get to make things.

I always think, you know, as a film unit, you go onto people's land and, you know, indigenous people's land, and we sort of stomp around and leave all this shit behind, and then we leave. And, like, you know, there's nothing in it for them. So you've got to, like, give back to the community and say, yeah, hey, thanks for having us.

And also, are their kids interested in this industry? And a lot of those kids that were working on Thor those Aboriginal kids are still working in the industry. It was 10 years later. And it's just you've got to create some opportunities where there may not have been some before. No, that's super cool. You're the best, Taika. You're the best.

Thanks for doing it. Thanks for making your films. Thanks for being new. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you.

Thank you so much. Taka. Whitech, everybody. Fair around the sun is in theaters, October 283. It's Taika Wighti, everybody. Unlock unlimited free grocery delivery with PC Express Pass. Shop online and get the same low, no frills prices delivered.

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My guest tonight is an actor and comedian whose third comedy special is called Finally Home. Please welcome, the one and only. My very good friend, Mr. Jimmy, oh, yeah. Thank you, thank you very much for coming on, man. I've been hosting for like a couple years now, and I can never fucking get you on the show. So thanks for clearing your schedule for once. No, no, I'm always here for you.

I'm always here for you. Yeah, I mean, but first time I met you was on the set of Crazy Rich Asians, and we had to share a trailer, which I didn't know was actually a bad thing in Hollywood. I was excited to even have a trailer. Right? I was like, we're going to be buds, you know?

And it's like, no, no, no, you guys are very low-ranked on this week. So you have to share this toilet seat. Yes. And you had diarrhea. I had diarrhea. I'm sorry. And, okay. Thanks for blowing, telling everyone that.

We cut that out. It's fine. So, but every, from the first minute I met you, the first thing you said to me was like, hi, I'm Jimmy O'Yang. I'm quitting stand-up comedy. That's what you said. Every year I've known you, you said you're going to quit stand-up comedy and focus on acting, you're never gonna do again,

and every fucking year you have a new stand-up tour. So... This is true. I think it's not just stand-up. I want to quit anything that I'm currently doing. So even when we're shooting our TV show Interior Chinatown, I was telling you I was never going to act again. I was going to quit acting.

Yeah. And now I'm acting and something else. You're acting again. I just think I don't want to work. Yeah. Can you blame me? I mean, come on. Why are you cheering that?

That's right. Don't cheer this fucking... He's a lazy lie. You just should... But you're too good to quit. That's the... I remember I said that. I remember I said...

Every year I tell you you're too good to quit, and thank God you didn't quit because then you made this special in Hong Kong, which I don't think people in the West know how influential this... Yeah, you people. Don't know... Don't know how influential this stand-up special is.

Like, he only... You released this in the last year, right? Yeah. So I'm just going to hype you up because I... This is true. when I saw you release this special, it was like watching,

it was equivalent to I watching Eddie Murphy blow up. It was like watching, it was like you, in Asia, you really ascended to this category of yourself now. There's no one else. It's just you in Asia right now. Because when you were doing the show in Hong Kong, it was your first show back in Hong Kong, and all of Hong Kong went.

It was crazy. The entire goddamn city. went. You did, like, how many shows are you doing in the arena? We did five shows at the arena. And how big is the arena? It was eight to ten thousand seats. Yeah, so it was selling out. Nothing I ever experienced. It was crazy. Yeah, people kept coming and coming and I kept getting messages about how well you were doing and it was and it was like a nonstop parade of not just the city coming up, but like Hong Kong show business royalty. Yeah, people are show up watching. Yeah, would show up and be like, Jimmy and they take photos. I still. I still.

Steven Chow, Zhong Xinse, will come in there. Jimmyo Yanghue, he's a great time. Like, all these, like, famous actors will come and all that. And so why the f*** are you still in America? This is, he's telling me to go back to where I came from, which is actually valid in this case. Yeah, why don't you go to the fuck back to... It was wild, because I came in when I was 13,

and I didn't really go back to Hong Kong for 25 years. I was just assimilating, trying to, you know, like, be as American as I can't be, so I don't get bullied, you know, like, learn the culture here. And then I forgot. my roots. And really, I wasn't trying to go back to do shows. I wasn't trying to go back to make money. Although that's good. I was just trying to go back because I really needed to. I forgot how to speak Cantonese, my first language. I got totally out of touch with my family, with my own

roots. And I just went back as a personal journey. And then I was like, why not, why don't we try to do a show here? And then I shout out to my promoter, Alex Foam, who was like, the man in Hong Kong. does all the crazy concerts for all my favorite musicians that grew up watching in Hong Kong. And one arena show sold out in like 20 seconds, and I've never experienced anything like this, right?

Yeah, they're really desperate in Hong Kong. Yeah, you were selling like hotkeys. It was crazy. You were like Taylor Swiffing in Hong Kong. Yeah, I was Taylor Swiffing. You were Taylor Swiffing in Hong Kong. And I couldn't, I wasn't ready for all that pressure because people were like messaging me like, there's spots, they're scalpers, you know, why aren't you doing something? I'm like,

I don't know. I'm just riding the wave at that point. But, like, it was also, it wasn't just the sales. It was the cultural impact, you know, like you were selling. And again, like I said, I had friends in Hong Kong who were just telling me, like, oh, we're going to go see you. They kept mentioning you to me. I was like, shut the fuck about you.

I don't care about Jimmy or Yam. Yeah. And the movies house would come. And, I mean, yeah, I mean, but you built up to that, I guess, right? because you kind of knew that there would be demand there. That's why you did the arena. Otherwise, you wouldn't do arena play. I was hoping there will be some demand there.

But on my last tour, intentionally, I think, I think, like, when do you become an arena act is when you just book an arena and see if you can sell it. You know what I mean? I told my agent. I was like, let's take some bigger stabs. Let's do Radio City. Let's do the Key of Forum.

Let's see what happens. I also did Radio City, by the way. Yeah, no, that's okay. It's fine. But, like, yeah, you did the Kia Arena. I mean, also, you were no slouch in America. It wasn't like you went there to, you know, you were doing really well in America and then you went home.

But it's stupid of me to have this. That was my first time going back to Asia last year. I'm like, most of my fans inevitably are Asian. You know, they can relate to me. You know, sure, sure, there's other people. But I always, you know, sell the most tickets in like, say, San Francisco, New York, L.A., where there's a big Asian diaspora. and then to not go back to Asia where Asian people are made,

why didn't I do that earlier, you know? But do you remember I told you to fucking do it? You then? Yeah, I said, like, why don't you go do a show? Are you taking credit for my success now? I'm taking credit for this right now, yeah. I'll tell you go back. Yeah, but now you got, honestly, and it just happened as well.

So, you know, for me, it's very fresh. I don't know if everyone understands the impact you have. Like, this guy, he went from, you know, you could, when you're going to restaurants, people would be like, hey, it's Jimo Yang. You went from that to like, now you're on the street and people are like, is Jimmy, oh, yeah. Like, you came and walked down the street anymore.

Yeah, I think it started off. Like, the first time people, anybody recognized me from TV in America, it was like, oh, that's Jing Yang from that Silicon Valley show. And I was like, oh, yeah, hey, how's it going? They're like, oh, my God, you speak English? You know, it was like, they only knew me as the character, and then it became they knew me as me.

Yeah. Well, that's also how good actor you were on that. Oh, thank you. This guy. No, dude, I love this guy, man. No, he's the best. I appreciate. I love this guy.

But yeah. I keep telling you, you gotta go do Hong Kong. You sell our arena. This guy... They don't like me in Hong Kong. Everybody was asking me, when is Ronnie coming? They don't like me the way they like you in Hong Kong. This is different.

I've done Hong Kong before. I did it. I did it in like 2012, like the small Hong Kong fringe club. It was terrible. No, but that's 2012. Yeah. Oh, okay. This is interesting, though, because when I did comedy in Hong Kong in 2012 or 2011, it was like expats. like expats. It was like a terrible crowd. It was like people who,

ex-pats in Hong Kong were like, they're like, you know, they're like, they live without consequence because they're just like whatever happens in this city, I don't care because I'm going home anyway. Right, right, right. They act like dicks in the city. So we were doing shows in Hong Kong, they would be drunk assholes, they'd be booing. They would like trip us. I remember like when we were going on stage to do comedy, they stick their feet out to trip us. It was terrible. I was like, yeah, I know, this, it was just terrible.

Yeah, man. But now you go back. Now it's different. No, but now it's evolved into locals come and watch comedy. That's pretty interesting, you know? Like, I think in 2012, it wasn't a thing with local people. My second special that I put out with Amazon, this is years ago, blew up in, like, Asia and, like, Chinese social media. And people are like, we're, like, they don't really know about, like, stand-up is very new.

They still call it talk show in China, China. Yeah, it's a very new art for me. And they were like, we watched your video with subtitles in English and Chinese to learn English. Oh, they said that to you. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, oh, this is like a new medium that, you know, obviously in America,

we've had it for so many years, you know. But over there is still very new and it's very exciting. So you're like their duolingo. I was hoping you say I was their duolipa. Either way. But they're learning English from you, I guess. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

And they watch your stuff too, man, you know. I don't know. I don't know what they're watching over there, but... Sure. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, but also the other aspect of this special isn't just that you were doing these arena shows and whatever,

but you also kept the rights, and then you put this standout special in cinemas. In theater, you sold it like a movie. It was... Which is also a Taylor Swift move. Yeah. By the way. Thank you.

It was... So you cut out the middle person and just put it straight in the theaters, something, right? You cut out the distributor? It premiered in the theaters in Hong Kong. It's the second highest grossing concert film in Hong Kong. Didn't make much of a dent here in America, you know, but it was a fun thing. It was a different thing I wanted to do. Can you talk about the business side of that? Like, I would, let me tell you something, I would never do it again, okay? It made no money. That's the truth of it. It made no money. I wanted to own it. I wanted to do something.

I was at first going to shoot the special in Seattle, just like a standard comedy special style to, you know, one of the streamers. Right. And that did these shows in home. Hong Kong and I just told my promo, I'm like, just put like nine cameras here, you know, and see what happens. And the shows were so special, you know, and I got emotional because this is my first time going home. I was like, let's cut this together as the special. So instead of going to a streamer, I just did something different.

I wanted to come out in a movie theaters in Hong Kong, the theaters here, and then it's really for the people, you know, back home for me. People who have money, yeah. Well, that, yeah, that too. No, but you made a cultural impact, which is really, that's what I was trying to say about this tour that you did in Hong Kong. I can't emphasize enough how much it really struck home. Not just you coming back, but the material you talk about in the show,

I mean, we saw a glimpse of it, is you talking about you returning back to Hong Kong and opening your childhood diaries and your childhood homes and you have photos. So it's a little bit of a one-man show. It's very nostalgic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was, I wrote this diary when I was nine years old, all in Chinese, perfect in China. I didn't even know how to speak English then. and then I found it in my parents' basement,

like recently, and I couldn't read a single word of it anymore. I just forgot all about it. It's so embarrassing of it. Yeah, why are you so whitewashed? How do you forget your first language? How does that even happen? It's a simulation gone wrong, you know? Yeah, but I don't even know.

Would you have a brain injury or something? How do you forget? Probably a little CTE, you know. How do you completely forget how to speak your first language? I'm being like a Chinese parent right now. No, I know. I feel so much shame, you know. You do what you don't say, you gotta say, uh, he got to say, uh,

his Cantonese not even that good. It's not even that good. His, his, Hey, at least, at least I didn't forget it. You know what's funny about Ronnie? He can speak many languages, very talented linguistically, but every language he speaks has the same exact accent. It's like a Ronnie accent.

Yeah, but in, in Malaysia, we speak Cantonese different to Hong Kong people. That's why it's actually. It's a Malaysian actor. We've worked together on many projects now. Many projects. We did Interior Chinatown together. What is your impression of me as an actor on Interior Chinatown? All right.

Let me blow this guy up real quick, all right? Please. Do it to the camera so I can clip this. No, honestly, honestly. Ronnie is one of the most pleasant people to ever work with. Like, first of all, we met first on Crazy Rich Asians. You know actors? We have egos, whatever.

Ronnie, his casualty, is like, oh, I'm just happy. I'm just happy to be her, you know? Like, I'm just happy to be her. You don't need to do the voice. Okay, I was sorry. It's also weird. That's how you sound. Yeah, I don't know how to feel.

I don't know how to feel about this right now. Yeah, okay, please. He's just a team player, you know what I mean? Like, you're very much a star yourself, an interior Chinatown, but... I don't know if I'm a star, but like, I don't know. I think, like, you know, TV, movie projects are group projects, right? Absolutely.

And that's something very hard for comedians to grasp, usually. You know, comedians, I think one of our biggest problems when we transition to acting is we don't know how to listen. Or probably just in life. We probably don't listen to our partners, spouses, right? But one thing comics do have is that we're used to performing in like shitty bars. Yeah. You know, so we don't need any creature comforts in a way. Well, no, you're different. You're

a diva. But I was like, I was like sharing a toilet with you. I'm like, we have a toilet? This is amazing. Yeah, but that's a great attitude. Like, no Other actors have that attitude. You're just happy to be there every day. Right. Do I know what you were like on Interior Channel? Yeah, let's see.

Okay. You were, man, this guy was so dedicated as an actor. I couldn't believe how, like, you were in it every scene, I was feeling it. And he, in Interior Chinatown, he has to play a kind of, a down on his luck, poor person. A loser, which is so hard for me to. Very hard for you, but yeah.

He was so dedicated that he bought a shitty car so he could drive to the set every day in a shitty car just so he could feel like, what was like to be a fucking loser? That's how dedicated he was. His car was so shitty, they didn't even let him on set. They really did it. Because they thought he was just like a homeless person

driving a shitty car. It was a Toyota Corolla and like 1999, $150,000, like barely works. But then like on the shifter, you know how you have like the R, the end, the one, two, three? It has no words on it. So you have to kind of figure out, it's like, I hope I'm going in reverse.

Yeah, well, you were very dedicated on that. I got into a car accident. the first day. Like, riding off a set, I was, like, the lead of the show and I was like, oh, I made it, you know? And then I hit this guy in a Tesla, and he comes out. He's like, what the fuck, man? You don't know how to fucking drive?

I was like, no, no, no. Look, I'm an actor. This is not my car. I'm trying to play this loser that works there. He's like, we're going to fuck you. And then he's like, wait a minute. I think I know who you are. And I was like, no, no, no, no, you don't.

No, you don't. He was like, you're that comedian, right? I was like, yeah, man, I do some stand-up. He's like, yeah, I'm actually trying to do some open mics, too. Oh, hey, you just let me open for you. We'll forget about this whole thing, you know? I remember you told me this. Yeah, so I took his number down, and I just never called him.

Oh, shit. He's going to be in the comment section. Yeah, what is the difference between, you know, because you're active on social media, and I fucking hate it. I'm off that stuff. But what is the difference being Asian social media and Western social media? That's a great question.

I sign up for a red note. Yeah, I don't know what all this shit is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what this fucking shit is anymore. It was a great way to, like, reach my fans and, like, China and stuff like that. But I do find the comments section to be a little more blunt in the Asian social media.

Are you serious? Like on Instagram. Like, last year, I had to cancel a show, like, a couple of shows because, you know, I had to go shoot something and schedule it in. I was super apology. I'm so sorry, guys. I'll make it up for you guys, blah,

And on Instagram, people are, like, fairly supportive. My fans, they're like, go get them, Jimmy. You know, like, ah, go. We can't wait for the next thing you're in. The West. The West. The West was very supportive. Yeah. And then on the Red Note social media app, most Asian fans over there from the East,

they were like, fuck you, Jimmy, you know. Are you doing this again? We're going to cancel you, man. And then they're just very blunt. They're like, ah, I don't know. Like, he looked better when he had glasses. Yeah, it's weird. I don't know. I feel like the West social media is toxic.

It's all bad. But the West social media is like having white parents. And the Asians, it's like having Asian parents. They tell you exactly what's wrong with your face. You know, as the West, they at least pretend to be somewhat supportive. Yeah. Yeah. Man, I got to say, you know, love everything you do.

Thanks for coming on the show. You're the best. We've had like parallel journeys in America. And I know you see this day one and you're the best. and I'm really glad. I'm really glad you're my friend. I'm glad that you're doing so well, and I hope everything's great with you.

I love you. I love you so much. Thank you, Ronnie. Hey, thank God. Finally home. It's streaming now on Hulu. It's Jimil Yang, everybody. Explore more shows from the Daily Show podcast universe

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