The Daily Show: Ears Edition - The NFL Tackles Race and Safety

Episode Date: September 7, 2023

It's the start of a new NFL season! Trevor chats with Daily Show correspondent, Roy Wood Jr, about the dangers of football and highlights the lack of Black head coaches in the NFL. Also, guest host D.L. Hughley sits down with NFL commentator, Dominique Foxworth, to discuss the improvements he's seen in the league over time.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Subscribe to the Midest Touch podcast wherever you get your podcast. That's the Midas Touch, M-E-I-D-A-S-C-O-U-C-H podcast. Jordi, anything to add? Shout up to the Midas-Might! You're listening to Comedy Central. You're listening to Comedy Central. American football season is just around the corner. And once again, it's coinciding with some disturbing news. There is startling new research out tonight about football and head trauma, the largest study of its kind. The American Medical Association studied the brains of 202 deceased football players from all levels

who had shown signs of CTE when they were alive. 87% had the disease. And among former NFL were alive. 87% had the disease. And among former NFL players, all but one had the disease. All but one. For more analysis, we turn to our senior sports analyst. Roywood Jr. everybody. Roy, Roy, I'm flabbergasted by this. How should football fans react to this new study?

They should ignore it. The study was inconclusive. It's no need to get all bothered about it. But Roy, but Roy, all but one of the the brains in the study had CTE. Exactly. One of the brains didn't have it. There's no consensus. I mean, Trevor, what what what information do we really have

on concussions? We got science and some movie where Will Smith tries to sound African. Tell me truth. You can't believe everything you see Will Smith do on TV. What? Oh, so now you also think you can hop in a taxi and go from West Philly to Bel Air? No, you can't do it. Ain't no way a black guy getting a cab across the country. I can't get a cab to Brooklyn. Life isn't a Will Smith movie, Trevor. Roy, it sounds like you just don't want to admit that football is dangerous. Look, bro, I'm just telling you the facts.

I'm a neutral observer. I don't even really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really.. I th. I don't really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really the the the th. I th. I th. I th. I observer. I don't even really be watching football for real. Oh really? Then, uh, what was this? Celebrity Fantasy Football Marathon. Roywood Jr. is here, ladies and gentlemen, the Akron. Yeah. Who are you taking? I know y'all think I'm going to take this pick solely because of this jacket that I'm wearing, but it's not. I have statistics to back up this selection. Running back Jayajay, Matt Ryan, Marry Cooper, the third most famous Cooper behind Anderson and Bradley. So you just, you can pull the tapes out on the brother.

Okay, you're gonna play tapes on me. Yeah, I mean, when you're saying you didn't like football and I have the footage of you doing a celebrity fantasy draft. Okay, all right, fine. Look, you got me talking about some football, but I didn't enjoy it. Oh really? No. Then what was this? We have a gift for Roy.

Oh, dear. Oh, we do. No, no, we in this thing? No, no, this is fine, man. I'm at the Daily Show all the time. This is a release. I get to come get and relax and eat all this ESPN cafeteria feed. A release? You need a release from working here?

Oh, I'm sorry, Roy. is working here not fun for you? This right now is pretty tense. Dude, you threw us under the bus. You make it sound like we're not even feeding you. Not rice crispy treats. But, okay, I admit it. I love football, Trevor, and I know it's dangerous, but I just don't want to accept the truth. Football is part of life for life the life thi life thi life thi life thi life thi life thi life thi life thi life thi life thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's thi. that's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that's that. that. that's that's that. that's that's that's that's theaa. that's thea but I just don't want to accept the truth. Football is part of life for a lot of kids, man.

Football is a ticket out of the hood. What are these kids supposed to play now? I don't know. Like, why not basketball? Basketball is fine, but not if you're husky. What the husky do's not realistic to just get rid of American football, but the NFL should at least take better care of its players. Like, NFL players only get health insurance for five years after their career ends.

Why can't the league guarantee its players lifetime health care? Trevor, look man, where's the NFL supposed to get that kind of money? They only made 14 billion dollars last year? th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, to, to, to, to to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, to to th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to just, to just, to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to to to to to to to to to to toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, th, th, their th, their their their their their their their their their thriiiii.a?ea?ea?a' the the the the thriiolioliolioliolioli.a? the supposed to get that kind of money? They only made $14 billion last year. We've got to think of realistic solutions, like fixing the helmets. Oh, you mean like make the helmets stronger? No. I mean, why are they giving players these helmets at all? Trevor, you got it? You give somebody a helmet. Their immediate response is always going to be, hell yeah! No, I can smash my head in or something.

Helmets promote reckless behavior. You put a piece of plastic on your head, you think you're a tank. If NFL players are going to wear something on their head, it should be a reminder not to do that stuff. That's why I made this new helmet. I got this brand new helmet for these players. See, that says fragile right there. Like, like when you get a delivery of, you know, Hummel figurines. Why are you getting deliveries of Hummel figurines? They're collectibles, Trevor.

And if this helmet doesn't work, I got another helmet idea. This is the one right here, bro. Oh, good. See? You don't cover up the brain, you put it on the outside. Players are going to be running down the field with the helmet. I'm like, oh, don't touch my brain. Whoa. Oh, get off me. My brain's out here. That's my brain out there. You know what, Roy Wynne, I can't decide if You want to write crispy? Come, get the hell out of here. Roywood, June, everyone. We'll be right back. Let me get on my show. Finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You might get a lot of resumes, but not with Zip Recruiters.

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Have you ever been watching the news and thought to yourself, wow, the Supreme Court sure does suck. We made a podcast about that. We sure did. There is a supermajority of conservative maniacs on the Supreme Court right now, really doing some damage. I'm Michael. I'm Riannan. And I'm Peter. Our podcast 5-4 is five to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4-5. to 4-5. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's that's that's th. th. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th. th. th. th. that's th. that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. th. th.'m Michael. I'm Riannan. And I'm Peter. Our podcast 5-4 is about all of this. Every week we dissect and analyze a different ruling that has made our country a little worse, a little more cruel. And you would not believe how many of them there are. Check out 5 to 4. That's the number 5-4, you're supposed to think of the NFL, you're supposed to think of athletes doing exciting things like making amazing catches or throwing incredible passes and running up the middle into a big pile of people for some crazy reason. What are you doing? Go around them, you idiot! That's what I would have done!

But in recent years, the actual football part of the NFL has been overshadowed by off-the-field scandals, from the Redskins controversy, to the blackballing of Colin Kappenic, to the league telling players that dark spots on their MRIs was just their brains getting a suntan. And this week brought a whole new-n than than than filed a lawsuit accusing the league of racial discrimination against black coaches.

Flores claims that teams are interviewing black coaches with no intention of actually hiring them. He says he had an interview with the Broncos where the executives showed up an hour late and clearly hung over. And he had an interview with the Giants that he knew was bullshit because the team had already decided to hire a different White's coach. And the way he found out that they had already hired somebody is pretty wild. Flora says he found out from Patriots coach Bill Belichick that the giants had

hired a head coach three days before he was scheduled to have an interview with the team. The complaint states on January 24th, Belichick wrote, sounds like you have landed. Congrats. Flores responded saying, did you hear something I didn't hear? Belichick texted back, Giants? Flores later texted Belichek to ask if he's texting the right coach before Belichek fesses up that he has the wrong man. Sorry I expletive this up. I double checked and I misread the text. I think they're naming Dable. I'm sorry about that. B. B. B. Ugh.

This is so embarrassing. Why do old people sign their texts? Like, do they do that for everything? I'm so horny right now. Yours, Henry. I want you to go to town on my ass, affectionately, yours, Linda. Squirt emoji, squirt emoji. Best wishes, Henry.

No, but for real, look, this was a screw-up by Belichick. And he's a coach, so he can't even blame CTE. Because this is how Flores found out that he already lost the job that he was about to interview for, about to. And you may may be be be be be th be th be th be th be th be th be th be th be th th to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to interview for, about to. And you may be wondering, why would an NFL team grant an interview to a black coach if they have no intention of hiring them? Well, for a long time, black head coaches in the NFL

were just not a thing. Right, in fact, between 1926 and 1989, there were zero black coaches. Nada. Yeah, during that 60-year period, it was easier to find a black person in space than coaching in the NFL. And finally, in 2002, Johnny Cochran, yes, the OJ guy, I guess he was really into football, he threatened to sue the league if it didn't get its act together. And so the NFL created something called the Rooney Rule, which said that at any time that there's an opening for a coach, at at at at at at at at at at at at at at at at at at at at at at at at at at at the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. And, thi. And, th. And, th. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, their, their, their, coach, at least one minority candidate has to be interviewed for the job. Which is cool, but now Brian Flores is saying that

these interviews he's getting, they aren't real. These teams are just going through the motions to satisfy the Rooney Rule. Think of it this way. It's almost like when your mom emails you that her friend from church, her son is moving to your city and she wants you to be friends with to And then yeah, you go get a beer with him just to make your mom happy, but you know for a fact, you're never going to hire him as your friend. And honestly, if you're going to make someone come to a bullshit interview, the least you can do is let them know this is a bullshit interview. Let them know this is a bullshit interview because that way they can have some fun with it. You know? Think how dope it would be to get to an interview knowing you're not going to get the job. Then you can give bullshit interviews.

So what would you say is your biggest weakness? I'm deathly afraid of footballs and I also don't know what a footballs is. Now look, we don't know for certain why Brian Flores didn't get these jobs. its good intentions has done nothing to solve the NFL's black coaching problem. The facts are clear that black coaches are not awarded the same opportunities as their white counterparts. Black coaches take longer to get hired, they get fired faster. A study found that coaches of color averaged shorter tenures than white coaches and were less likely to land another head coaching job after being fired. There was an academic study that came out across three decades, over 1,000 coaches.

Finding that black coaches were 114% less likely to be promoted to coordinated positions. Despite the success of coaches such as Tomlin and Tony Dunge, who both won Super Bowls. When it comes to head coaches, the league is nearly as white now as it was in 1989. In 2003, when the Rooney Rule was incitated, there were three African-American coaches in the National Football League. We are 19 years removed from the institution and implementation of the Rooney Roole,

and there is now one head coach. Yeah, that's right. Out of 32 teams in the NFL, there's still only one black head coach, which is fewer than the number of black coaches when the Rooney Rule started. So the Rooney Rule is basically as useless as the five-second rule. Yeah, bitch, you drop your food on the floor. You put it in your mouth. That's just nasty, okay? It's not like bacteria slow to figure it out. that's food. And it turns out not only our black coach is still not getting enough opportunities, but when they do get the job, they have a much shorter leash than white coaches. Yeah. Even if they win, there's

still a good chance that they're gonna get fired. Now, is the NFL doing this on purpose to black coaches? Nobody knows. I mean, maybe, or maybe it's an unconscious bias. And that's what makes racism so hard to prove these days. Because back in the day, when someone was being racist to you, you knew, right, because there'd be up front. They'd just be like, oh, you? You want the head coaching job? Ha ha ha! You were one funny negro. I didn't even know. Negroes are smart enough to make to make jokes. But that's why proving racism for black people in 2022 can be so frustrating. Right?

Sometimes it feels like, you know, you're the only person in a horror movie who actually knows what's going on. You gotta believe me, man. There's a serial killer in this camp. Don't be ridiculous. All these sexy teens are probably stabbing themselves to death. Come on. But no matter why it's happening, it's clear that black coaches aren't the same opportunities in the NFL as their white counterparts, which is a pretty

demoralizing situation for black coaches to be in. NFL owners have stuck to an old game plan when it comes to hiring head coaches, and that in turn has sent morale among black coaches plummeting to a new low. It's now so bad, football agent Brian Levy convened a Zoom meeting for many of the black coaches he represents to talk about the Rooney Rule, part workshop, part therapy session. You see guys that are not as qualified, that jump ahead of you guys that you have trained and that were under you for years that jump. And now, so what is the criteria? You know, the resume doesn't matter anymore. He's not getting interviewed because he's the qualified coach. He's getting interviewed because they have to hit that quota.

You see the black name, you're like, oh, he's the rune. That's why he's interviewed. He's the rune. Man, you see the shit? The situation is so bad for black coaches that they are voluntarily having Zoom meetings. Do you know how truly unfair something has to be for football coaches to talk about their feelings? Think about it, even when they win the Super Bowl, they'll be up on the podium that night like, you play well today, then give the boys 20 minutes off tomorrow and then it's back to the wake room. This is the most exciting day of my life. Well, for more on this issue, let's go now to our senior tailgating correspondent, Roywood

Jr. Roy, I believe you're out at Miami Dolphin Stadium right now, and this story is truly a bombshell story. It is shocking, Trevor. Shocking. I can't believe that racism still exists in the NFL. I mean, they had in racism on their helmet. You're telling me that didn't do anything. You know, Roy, I'm as shocked as you are.

But let me ask you, what do you think of the Rooney Rule? Because this lawsuit seems to prove that it hasn't worked. The problem with the Rooney Rule is that it underestimates racial bias. The Rooney Rule says, you don't like black people. Well hang out with one and see what happens. thia thia thia thia thia thia thia the thine, thine, the thine, thine, th. the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. what happens. But nothing happened. So now it's even worse, and you're still hiring the white coach and wasting the black man's time. Right, right. So then let me ask to mention that this room messes with the black man's self-esteem.

He's going on all these interviews and doesn't get the job. He's obviously gonna wonder, well, is it me? You get low. to, to, to, to, they. to they. to to they. to they. to to theyn, theyn, to to the theyn't, to the the to the to the the to woe and the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th.. the thia, thia, thia, thia., thiaugh., thi., th thia., thia., thia., thia. thia. thia. thia. whole life. You start having problems with intimacy. Your girl asks, what's wrong? But you're too manly to admit that when you get older, things don't work as good. You know what I'm talking about, Trevor. You know exactly what I'm talking aboutking off while you're watching the porn. You're just watching it and eating cheese. I, uh, I think that went a bit off track, but I get what you're saying, Roy. You think the Rooney Rule should be abolished. No, I didn't say that.

We just got to replace the Rooney rule with the Roywood Junior rule. The Roywood Junior rule. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi. W. thi. thi. thi. thiiii. Wooooooooooooooing, thi. W. thi, thi, the Rooney Rule with the Roywood Junior Rule. The Roywood Junior Rule, I'm sorry, what is that? Oh, dog, it's simple. If a team is gonna hire a white guy, but they have to interview a black guy, then they should just have to fly me out. But then doesn't that waste your time? Nah, man, I ain't got nothing going on except for this stupid-a-a-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s. to-s. to-s. to-s. to-s. tho-s. tho'-a-a-s. to-s. tho'-a-a-a-a-s. thoomomomoma-a-a-a-a-a-s. thoananananananananan'ta-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s.a-a-s.a-s. tha-s. tha-s. tha-s. tha chill in a hotel with a mini bar. Hang it out in fun cities. Drunk in New Orleans, back tattoos in Miami. I'm gonna have a good-ass time, duh? Well, Roy, I'm looking here,

and it says that one of the first available jobs is gonna be in Minnesota. So, uh, you not understand, Trevor? My skin wasn't made for them type of temperatures. Let them white coaches have Minnesota. So, so Roy, you're just gonna give up on Minnesota? Trevor, there's a reason that you never saw any black vikens. You've seen a black viken?

Uh-huh. Name one Black Viking. You got me. Yeah. Finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You might get a lot of resumes, but not enough candidates with the right skills or experience. But not with Zip Recruiter. Zip Recruiter finds amazing candidates for you fast. And right now you can try it for free at ziprecruter.com.ziprecruiter's smart technology identifies

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Zip recruiter the smartest way to hire. Have you ever been watching the news and thought to yourself, wow, the Supreme Court sure does suck. We made a podcast about that. We sure did. There is a supermajority of conservative maniacs on the Supreme Court right now, really doing some damage. I'm Michael. I'm Riannan. And I'm Peter. Our podcast, 5-4 is about to to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4 to 4-4 is 5-4 is 5-4 is 5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi-c-c-c-cret-crete. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th-c. th-c. th-c. th-c. th-c. th-c. th-c. th-c. th-c. th-c. th-c. that's-c. th. that's-c. thi-c. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. And I'm Peter. Our podcast 5-4 is about all of this. Every week we dissect and analyze a different ruling that has made our country a little worse, a little more cruel. And you would not believe how many of them there are. Check out 5 to 4. That's the number 5-4, wherever you listen to podcast. My guest tonight is a former NFL player and the president of the NFL Players Association. He is now a writer and a commentator.

Please welcome Dominique Foxworth. Happy, happy Black History Month. Happy Black History Month, too. I appreciate all the white people celebrating. They don't know who I am, but they're clapping for me anyway. They both think we're an an an anvil. You know, what's interesting, it is Black History Month, and the first day, Tom Brady announced his retirement. That's what it is. I mean, and on the day, or the way, leading up to the Super Bowl, right, right, right, right, right, right, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, happy, th, the, happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, to, to, to, happy, to, happy, to, happy, to, happy, happy, happy, to, to, happy, to, happy, to, happy, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, happy, the, the, happy, the, the, happy, happy, the, the, happy, happy, happy, the, happy, happy, happy, the, happy, happy, the, their, happy, happy, their, happy, happy, their, happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, their, happy, happy, happy, to, happy, happy, their, happy, their, black, black, black, the first day Tom Brady announces his retirement. I mean, and on the day, or the way, leading up to the Super Bowl, right, first two black

quarterbacks in the Super Bowl of ever, and we also had, we also had over the weekend, what I believe to be the blackest moment in playoff history. I don't know if you saw Patrick Mahom's daddy on the sideline, Patrick Levon my home's daddy on the side. I loved it. It sounded so much like my black uncle's. It was. It sounded so much like my black uncle. It was. When you say look, what was it was. It was. It was like a leather baseball cap. It's the blackest super black. Oh, oh, oh, yeah. That's the kind of dude come over you high the jury. And you know, something I'll come up and listen. He said, I'm moking on that jump back right. Yeah, yeah, that's so.

They're just like my own. But it is, it's historic, two black quarterbacks started for the word progress, but it does kind of represent some progress. I mean, there's lots of other things in the NFL and in the world, frankly, that we need to work towards. But one thing that we've had to finally accept is black quarterbacks are perfect leaders, perfect quarterbacks.

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Because we could be just as shit here you go. I mean, that is progress, but the most like exciting things thiats. the future of the league, the best quarterback that I think any of us have ever seen is Patrick Mahomes. I've never seen anybody be able to the things he does. Now you got to of course you got to be great over a long period of time because there are people who started out the way I thought what Cam Newton was doing was remarkable and then and then and then and then you see what happens. It's interesting because we talk about football and there's a market difference the there's there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th is is is is th is th is thi is. thi is. thi is thi is. thi is thi. thi. thi is thoooooooooooooooooooooooo. tha. thi. thi is thi is thi. thi is the NFL are treated and the way players

in the NBA are treated. And I think primarily it is the ownership. I think that the ownership in the NFL has a decidedly different view of their commodity than the NBA does. Like you would never see an NFL, an NBA owner talk to a major star like NFL. If somebody to their star, it would be over. Yeah, I mean, LeBrontta the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the NBA the to LeBron James, like they talk to some of these stars, it would be over. Yeah, I mean, LeBron James has a disproportionate amount of power, but like singling out the NFL, and trust me, I'm not gonna be up here defending the NFL, but the NFL exists in our society. And frankly, NFL is no different than any other workplace. and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and the, the, the, the, th to, and to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to so like the hierarchy that exists in the NFL

is like it's gonna be blacker at the bottom and minorities at the bottom and you go up higher and higher and there's less risk, there's less danger, there's less injury, there's less pain, but there's more money, there's more success, there's more protection. And that's like, that's true in the NBA that's true everywhere that y'all work is true it's true in this building. Sorry and they may not have me back.

Yeah yeah yeah okay. Not today. Yeah not not today. You know it's interesting because we we watched when I watched what happened to Ham very long time and I'm sure you've seen a lot of injuries. I don't know that I've ever seen anything like that. And the way that the players reacted, it was, it was hurtful. I mean obviously you were sad that somebody was suffering there, but it was such a beautiful human moment because the NFL got to be human. Like, coach was like, we ain't playing this game. And I was like, yes you are.

Exactly. So you got to see men that just were empathic and just men who were crying and praying. And not because they won or they lost because they were praying for somebody who was in there. I played for a long time. I was in a game where a player got paralyzed on the field and he was taken off. We waited five minutes, warmed up and played again. I played in a preseason game where a player died in a locker room afterwards. Like I've been around some ugly parts of football, but to your point, I've never seen anything. What do you think was different about that?

That particular play is his heart stopped on the field. But we've seen people pass out, we've seen people have, but it was something different about that that may, because I didn't think it was all that bad at first, because I've seen, hell, I passed out doing COVID. So, so, so, but there was the way, because I think that people are used to certain types of injuries or seeing certain types of things, but that scared everybody. Yeah, the reaction from the players really, like, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, I.a. Yeah, the, the, the, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the goes back to the original conversation that we were having about like American culture and the hierarchy that exists is you show up at those games as a player and you know that there is no limit to the risk that you're taking. Right. But awful things can happen.

Well, you do it because you grow up. So when you were a kid and you want to play football, you decide before your like of clear mind. And then you show a propensity for it. And people just keep pushing you along, keep pushing along. And nothing's wrong with that. And frankly, when I came up, we were unaware of the CTE stuff. That came out while I was in the league. Would that have changed your mind? I like to think it would, but I doubt that it would. And to be honest with you, I don't begrudge the the the the the the the the the the the the to begrudge the to begrudge to begrudge to begrudge the to begrudge to begrudge any I don't begrudge any I don't begrudge any I don't begrudge any I don't begrudge any I don't begrudge any I don't begrudge any I don't begrudge any to begrudge any to begrudge any I don't begrudge any I don't begrudge any to begrudge any to begrudge any to begrudge any to begrudge any to begrudge any to begrudge any to begrudge any to begrudge any to begrudge any to begrudge any the to begrudge any the the the to begrudge any to begrudge the to begrudge, I don't begrudge, I don't begrudge, I don't begrudge, I don't begrudge, I don't begrudge any the players the players to the players to to to to to to to the players. I'm to to to to to the players. I'm to to to to to to to the players. I'm to to to to to to to the players to to the game knowing the risk that it takes. The thing that frustrates me is there is a cap on the amount of money they can make,

on the amount of like health care they can receive. The league negotiates for a cap on that. But on the other side, the owners, the coaches, the general manager, there's no cap on their success. Because there's a sense that, if NFL players, if players, if they, if they, they, they, the the, thin, thin, the the, thin, thin, the the, thin, the the, the the, they, they, they, they, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the they... they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. Yeah. And I think the goal is to make you pretend like you don't have a choice. I believe you don't have a choice. You go through some of the finest institutions of higher learning on the face of their.

You went to Harvard, you're a very bright man. But to make you believe that you're behold So to be clear, I went to Harvard Business School. I'm a turp through and through, first of all. But the first- He's down playing Harvard. Yeah, man. I know somebody went to the new school. Let me tell you about that. I would say that I get your point, and I'm sorry to sound like a broken record,

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So if you are to strike, if you're a group of players, to get what you want, that's essentially a war of attrition. The commanders, the? And then you compound that by the fact that we get pressure from everywhere. No one comes down so rarely, I think it's changing some now, but so rarely do fans come down on the owners when there's an issue. Not at all. Because that's the face that they, or they can't see the face because they have a helmet on. I think you guys have a tremendous amount of pressure on you in externally because

If you're an athlete You people aspire to be and and there's a amount of external pressure that society from a civic perspective from a cultural perspective From activism perspective so and it's it really important because the only time generally they see black people with we're running jumping singing or dancing. It really is it's the only time we have everybody's wrapped attention and so so. so. tho. to you. you. you. you. you. you. you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the you, the you, the the you, you, you, the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, people, th, the th you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th the th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi the thi the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi a thi a thi a thi a thiiiiiiiiiiiii thi thi thi thi thi thi time generally they see black people would be running, jumping, singing, and dancing. It really is. It's the only time we have everybody's rapt attention. And so how do you balance the fact that you are professional? You have commitments, you have to, you're obligated to, but you still have a commitment to making things better for a community. So it's unfair that that responsibility falls on black players because it doesn't fall on white players. Like no one has this expectation of white players to do the same thing.

But as black players, they all know that that expectation falls on them. But I think Howard Bryant wrote a great book called The Heritage about the history of activism and athletes and it's changed. The position of the players and activism has changed. And I think that that's incumbent on us as spectators and people who care about it to understand

that athletes aren't activists anymore as much as they are like flashlights. They're, they are not entrenched in the fight in the way that say Kareem Abdul Jabbar was, which is fine. So when they get an opportunity and they say, look over at Tyree Nichols, then it's job to jump in because we can't expect them to commit themselves to being the best in the world and then also commit Themselves to be on top of the latest reading and the latest like

Self-preservation virtually every skill, that's an attribute. On the streets of the other of this country, it is a detriment. So it is self-preservation. There's one, there's only one standard I have. Do what you can to the best of your ability. Do what you can for as long as you can, for all that you can. And I think that one one thing I will say about you even, even, I will, I will,. I love how area dice you are. I love how nuanced you are. Because most things aren't just black and white. And I love how you don't just depend on your physicality. You have never just depended on it. But I hated how you played.

You said, I'm a turf. Nobody would ever put Maryland above Harvard on any resume. I would. But it ain't no new new new. You seem that there's a pretty broad continuing experience between the way the NFL was then it is now. Are you more hardened or more disappointed by the direction it's going? Yeah, I think that's a tough question. I think I'm... That's why I'm here baby. Come on now. I think that it's not about the NFL and I'm guilty this as much as anybody else as we th. th. th th th th th th th th th th th th th think that's a tough question. I think I am... That's why I'm here, baby. Come on, I think that it's not about the NFL, and I'm guilty of this as much as anybody else

as we think of the NFL as a single entity, which like, yeah, it's an institution, but the NFL is made up of a bunch of different things. And the most important entity in because I've never been more impressed, more excited, more invigorated by not only the talent, but the perspective and the engagement of these players. We talked about Patrick Mahomes and how he's the best quarterback in football right now and on a trajectory to be one of the best of all time. He spoke out. He was one of the first faces in that video about Colin Kappernick. And I know that Colin Kapperty is not back in the league, but the idea that a black quarterback who can obviously avoid

this conversation if he wants to, like, that opportunity is presented to him time and time again, and he does not. And that's an example to everyone else. And players like, to be outspoken, theyrowns, the tha, and players, and players, and players, to players, to players, and players, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, theyme, to to theyme, to, tho, they, they, tho, to, the, the, the, thi, they, they, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, they, they, they........ too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, theysoo, they. they. they. these players in the league and it's not just a black players it's the white players also like the league is in so much better place because of the players and if only the players like fully understood and appreciated it. But there is a vested interest in making sure you don't realize everything you have you have because somebody that look like you

sacrifice that's why you have you want to lead the union you know you're the you you you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the I don't even pay my dude. What would the, you're older now, you have a family, you've been married, you've lived in various places, you've seen the world, what would the adult, you tell the rookie, you're the wide-eyed, you've been, the white-eyed, you've been, the white-out kid that was walking through the, what would you tell you? Have as much fun as you can? Oh no, that's a different conversation. That's a off-camera conversation. My man, my man. That's fun of when the cameras go off. No, I think the most important thing is to get as many different experiences as possible. And we are so focused, and we're celebrating, I did a bunch of ESP and stuff today, celebrating Tom Brady's career and his career

deserves to be celebrated. Absolutely. And part of the reason why I was so great was because it appeared to me that nothing else was more important than football to him. And that's fine. If you can be Tom Brady, not everybody can be Tom Brady. And I know that having all these other experiences, the tough thing about being a player in professional sports is your skills aren't applicable anywhere else. So if you don't hit that home run, and it just goes back to like the challenge for being a player versus an ownership class. If you are a player and you play three to four years, then the league minimum goes up and you're out of the league and your experience, I mean, sets you up to be a bouncer, like you are in a tough situation. One of the things that I did, and I would encourage thoged, and I would the tho, and I would tho, and I would tho, and I would tho, and I would tho, and I would thruge, and I would throwne, throwne, thr, throwne, tho, and I'm, tho, and tho, throwne, throwne, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, the, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thr......... And, thr, thr, thr, thr, thr, thr, thr. And, thr. And, throwneeeean, toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. And, thr. And, thr. So like, one of the things that I did, and I would encourage all the players did that, is get involved in the union as much as possible.

That helped open my mind to how many other opportunities there were out there in the world. Get involved in community things, obviously. And also, when you have time, one of the things that you, but I'll say this, I want you to understand this. I truly want you to understand this. And I, I, most of the men who are on that football field go to the finest institutions of higher learning the world. your mind is the most valuable piece of real estate on the face of the earth, they can't beat you. They can't.

It is not your body, your body will fail you way before your mind does. You know, you're here not because your physics, you know, you're here. You may think that because you hurt yourself, you're here. And these, maybe, I'm just, you know what I'm saying? I'm just the mind, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, you, you the the the the the the the, you, you, you, you're the, you're the, you're the, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you, you're, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your......... Yeah.. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. th. th. th. the, the. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the I got the GED, so who am I to say? But if you go to college, rock by a class every once in a while, you know what I'm saying? It ain't got to be the new school, but it can be... Hey, Dominique Foxwood. Be sure to check out his new podcast and Dominique Fox for the show. Okay, we've got to take will be right back at the way. Explore more shows from the Daily Show Podcast Universe by searching The Daily Show, wherever

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