The Daily Show: Ears Edition - The Pandumbic - Americans Balk at Trump's Vaccine Talk | Malcolm Gladwell & Lamorne Morris

Episode Date: September 9, 2020

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September 17th. Hey, what's going on everybody? Welcome to the Daily Social Distancing Show. And we're back. We're back after the Labor Day weekend. And I really hope you found a safe way to hang out with your friends and reconnect with people. You know personally I had an amazing break. Yeah I really did. I went on a boat ride that turned into a swimming lesson. Me and my crew went to a

private island all tested negative multiple times. Hash tag wear a mask. Then a a dude was trying to fly into my house with a bunch. A bunch. A bunch. A bunch., and I gave Nancy Pelosi a blowout, but don't tell anyone she'll get in trouble. And the best part of all is I had great seats at the U.S. Open, and Novak Joachovic even gave me the matchball. Ha! I can still feel it. But we're back now. And on tonight's show, we're the to release the world's least trustworthy vaccine. So let's do this, people. Welcome to the Daily Social Distancing Show.

From Trevor's couch in New York City to your couch somewhere in the world. This is the Daily Social Distancing Show with Trevor No. Ears Edition. Let's kick things off in California, the only state where Botox is considered an essential service. This year's wildfire season has been one of the worst in history, with dozens of fires burning a record 2 million acres. And now we're finding out that one of this weekend's biggest blazers started in one of the dumbest ways possible. Crews continue battling dozens of raging wildfires in California.

Officials say one of the fires, the El Dorado and San Bernardino County, started after pyrotechnics were used at a gender-reveal party. Flames have scorched nearly 10,000 acres since Saturday. Fire officials say the blaze was only 7% contained as of late last night. No word if any charges will be filed related to this fire. Okay people. I've said it before and I'll say it again. These gender reveal party have gone too far. Ten thousand acres have burned. And it's not even the first time this kind of thing has happened. I mean, at this point, Gender Reveal Party is now one of the most dangerous terrorist organizations. It's ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taylor Swift fans, and Gender Reveal Parties.

Not in that order, calm down Swifties. But guys, this has to stop. Or at least, if you insist on a gender reveal, you should do something that helps the situation. The water's pink! It's a girl! And aside from all the damage it can cause, celebrating a baby's genitalia is starting to feel very outdated. Like given everything we're learning about gender, gender reveal parties should only happen when the child is old enough to know their actual gender and to pitch in some cash for the fire damage. And honestly, I don't even know why we need gender reveal parties. You know what we do need, though, race revealed parties.

A bombshell confession from an African-American history professor at George Washington University who claims ties to the Bronx. Jessica Kruve revealed in a blog post that she is a white Jewish woman who has been pretending to be black for years. She feigned being black and Latina. Now a white woman is saying that she is canceling herself, revealing decades of deception. Crew has been teaching African culture and history at the school since 2012, often posting as Puerto Rican.

The 38-year-old born to white parents and raised in suburban Kansas is seen here addressing the New York City Council in June. Thank you much power to all my siblings who were standing up, my black and brown siblings. Crew is apologizing and says her whole life has been based on a lie. Okay, first of all, you can't say your life was based on a lie. Luke, I am your father. When you're the li, that's not how it works. Your life is only based on a lie. Luke, I am your father. No, that. That that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th. That th. That th. That th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi th. th. th. th. th. th. thi is thi thi is thi is th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the is the is thee is theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. th. the you the lie. P. Luke, I am your father. No, my life was based on a lie. That's how you use it. What's also crazy about the story is that unlike racial dolezal, who fought like hell

to hang on to her black card, Jessica Krug just came out and canceled her harder than than anybody could cancel her. She's like, I'm scum of the earth, I'm a leech, you need to cancel me. I didn't even know that was a thing. I did not know you could self-cancel. I mean, in a way, she's making history, which I can't wait to celebrate during not actually black.

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from protesters, but the owners say they stand with those who are standing against injustice. If you don't give us our shit, if you don't give us our shit. We should sit down. Okay guys, no. No, no, no, no. I'm sorry, but no, no, I'm sorry, but no. I'm all for the Black Lives Matter movement and fighting against systemic racism and police brutality, but it's not acceptable to storm a restaurant and just flip over tables. First, you introduce yourself. Hi, my name is Sean, and I'll be a protester this evening. Then you flip over the tables, manners people.

Now look, jokes aside, we are living through one of the most stressful times in modern history. Right? And in order to have any honest conversation, we have to acknowledge everything that's happening. You have a pandemic with people losing their jobs and people losing their lives. On top of all of that, you have a nation that has been inundated with images of police brutality day in and day out. People who are experiencing it all the time. Here's what I think. I think sometimes in society, people get more focused on the symptoms than the cause.

Because right now everyone's talking about what's the right way to protest. What is the right way to protest? I think the real question people should be asking is, why does they need to be a protest in the first place? Because if I had a magic wand, I wouldn't be trying to fix protest. Yeah, I'd use it to get the police to stop brutalizing black people. That's why 'd do if I had the magic. Well, I mean, first I'd make Apple stick with one type of plug, then I'd make the police stop brutalizing black people. Because sometimes I think I got the plug, then it's the small one, then they went from the big one to the small,

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to their very own candy factory. I don't know about this story. This dude is just giving away a candy factory? Something seems fishy to me. He's probably gonna hand over the keys and be like, the factory's all yours, kid. By the way, jelly bellies are made out of asbestos. Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! Bye! And th, and th, and th, th, th, th, th, and th, th, and th, th, th, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thirty, and thirty, and th-a, and thi, and thi, and th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi-a, thi-a, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi-a'' thin, thi-s, thi-a, the factory's all yours, kid. By the way, jellybellies are made out of asbestos. Bye. And another thing, why do we still act like Willy Wonka was a fun dude?

How many kids died in his factory? If you think about it, Rilie Wanker was just basically jigsaw in a top hat. Yeah. He killed people off in increasingly elaborate ways. But because he did it while singing showtunes, tuness, thuuuuuuseaauseauseausea, their, their, their, their, their, their, thiii, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. I's, th. I's, th. I's, th. I's, th. I's, the th. I's, the the the th. I I. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I's, th. I's, th. I's the th. I's the thi. I's the thi. I's thi. I's thi. I'm thi. thean. thean. thean. togean. thean. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi everyone was like, man, this guy's whimsical. Where's that kid from Germany? I don't know, this song is so catchy. All right, we're going to take a quick break, but when we come back, we'll tell you why Trump and Russia are both pushing corona vaccines a little too hard. Don't go away. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes.

It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives. But that's all about to change. Like none of this stuff gets looked at. That's what's incredible. I'm Seth Done of CBS News. Listen to 60 Minutes, a second look, starting September 17th, wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Daily Social Distancing Show. Believe it or not, it has now been nine months since the coronavirus was first unleashed

into the world by George Soros from a reverse-engineered dinosaur DNA. It's not that? Well, that's what I read on Facebook. Anyway, let's catch up on where the pandemic stands now in our ongoing segment, the pandemic. Are you sure it wasn't DNA? As of today, the United States has had more than 6.3 million confirmed cases of COVID-19. And while transmission rates have declined from their peak in July, there are still new hotspots popping up all over the country, most recently on newly reopened college campuses.

Across the country, more universities temporarily switching to virtual learning, with only some students staying on campus, as college towns around the country are quickly becoming epicenters for the virus. In Georgia, Mississippi, and Utah, thousands of students and hundreds of teachers have recently been asked to quarantine. Many universities are taking drastic action to ensure that students, teachers and staff that they're safe all along the way. And one of the harshest punishments imposed to date, 11 first year students at Boston's Northeastern University were dismissed and declined a refund for their $36,000

plus dollar tuition after crowding together in a hotel room. That's right. Some schools are kicking out students for partying, but keeping their tuition. Which is insane. I mean if you waste 36 grand on college, you should at least leave with a communications degree. And I do hope colleges get all these outbreaks under control soon, because going to college remotely

is just not the same. There's so many things about the college experience that only work if you're there in person. I mean, imagine trying to do a fret hazing on Zoom. Now grab your bottle of hot sauce from your fridge and chug it! Oh, I don't have hot sauce, but I have apricot, LaCroix. I can chug that. Yeah, you're damn right, you'll chug it.

Get ready to fill refreshed, bitch. Anyway, if you're a high school senior right now, there is only one thing you should be looking for when applying to colleges. Find out which schools avoided coronavirus outbreaks and do not apply there. Most people do not know how to party. So this is just one more reason that we really can't have a vaccine soon enough. But another problem is that we also can't get one too soon. Latest as CBS News poll finds the majority of Americans are skeptical about a vaccine. 65% say if one became available this year, they'd consider it rushed. And 58% say they would consider getting one, but wait to see what happens.

Pamela Harris was asked if she would trust a Trump administration vaccine. It would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about. I will not take his word for it. He wants us to inject bleach. No, I will not take his word. Look, I get why people are skeptical. There are a lot of things where I'll take Trump's recommendation.

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Thanks, thanks though, Robert, thanks for that. Either way, it's cute how people think it'll be up to them, whether they get Trump's vaccine. Guys, it's going to be up to Trump. And knowing him, he's going to turn it into a quid pro quo. I'll give you one shot for one piece of dirt on Joe Biden. What do you say? What do you say? And let's be honest. This skepticism isn't just coming out of nowhere.

President Trump has given people pretty good reasons to think that his timeline might not be based strictly on the science. During a Labor Day news conference that sounded more like a rally from the White House grounds, President Trump was all but giving away his own October surprise, suggesting there will be a coronavirus vaccine ready by Election Day. You could have a very big surprise coming up. So we're going to have a vaccine very soon, maybe even before a very special date. You know what date I'm talking about?

Why is he talking about election day? Like it's a weird sex innuendo. You know what date I'm talking about? Gonna stick your big, hard vote in thiiiiii? thi? thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi'm talking about. Gonna stick your big hard vote in that ballot box. Just put it right in. I mean, obviously we know what date he's talking about. What other date would Trump possibly remember besides Election Day? His kids' birthdays, his anniversary, a date from a history book? To question, he doesn't know any of those things.

But this is why people are skeptical. Trump keeps talking about this vaccine as if the vaccine, the vaccine, the vaccine, the vaccine, the vaccine, the vaccine, the vaccine, the vaccine, the vaccine, the vaccine, the the vaccine, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. thi, thi, thi, just thi, just thi, just thi, just thi, just thi, just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. He doesn't know any of those things. But this is why people are skeptical. Trump keeps talking about this vaccine as if the goal is to get it out before election day. And any normal president would at least pretend that the vaccine will be released based on science. But Trump doesn't even pretend. Guys got the worst poker face in the world, which is why he would probably be the best and worst person to play poker with. Yeah, you'd always know when he was bluffing, so you'd probably beat him, but then there'd also be no point because he'd never pay up. Not to mention he'd draw boobs on all the queen cards. So with Trump making everybody nervous, the the race to produce a coronavirus vaccine and something very unprecedented,

some of the country's most well-known drug makers now presenting a united front, saying they will not rush out a vaccine without proper testing and approval. These are some of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world. They are typically fierce competitors, but they are coming together with what they have called an historic pledge to try to shore up public confidence in a possible COVID-19 vaccine. The CEOs of nine pharmaceutical companies, including AstraZanica, Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer, say they will commit to high ethical standards and sound scientific principles as they work toward developing a vaccine. The statement includes a pledge to always make the safety and well-being of vaccinated individuals our top priority.

Yes, people are so skeptical about this vaccine that the drug companies had to come out and pledge that they're not going to rush things. That's how bad Trump is. He's managed to make big farmer turn into the good guys. And that's saying something. I mean, Johnson and Johnson and Johnson Johnson sold sold sold sold sold sss ss ssensen sold sold sold ss ssen sold sold sselselselselselselselselselselseseseseseseseseseseseseseluck. to to to to to to to to to to to to to their to to to make big farmer turn into the good guys. And that's saying something. I mean, Johnson and Johnson sold telecom powder that gave people cancer. AstraZeneca and Merck had to settle fraud claims by Medicare and Medicaid. Sinoffi overcharged the veteran affairs department. GlaxoSmithKline hid safety data from the FDA. Pfizer has that unnecessary P in it.

I mean, that's unethical as shit. If I see a P followed by an F, that better be followed by a Changs, otherwise I'm out. The point is, it is so important for people to trust that any vaccine that comes out is safe and effective before it is distributed. Because if a government rushes one out for political purposes, you get, well, something like what's happening in Russia right now. Russia's health ministry says the first batch of its so-called Sputnik 5 coronavirus vaccine has been produced for use in the general population. Health officials outside Russia, however, have raised concerns that the shot was approved even before clinical testing had finished last week. It's still unproven it still hasn't finished at human ttrials and as we found it's still widely distrusted. It's been made available to key frontline workers like doctors and teachers, but few, if any, of those Russian teachers have actually taken up the vaccination offer.

Today it is obvious for our scientists that this vaccine forms stable immune resistance. Antibodies appear in the blood, just like in the case of my daughter this this this this this this this this this thustusted thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it is still thi, it is still thi, it, it, it, it is still for our scientists that this vaccine forms stable immune resistance. Antibodies appear in the blood, just like in the case of my daughter. And it is harmless. My daughter feels well. Yeah, guys, of course, Putin's daughter feels well. She knows the consequences if she doesn't. Hey, maybe we don't need a vaccine at all. We just need Putin to go around issuing veiled threats to anyone who thinks they've got COVID.

So do you have Corona? No, I feel great, Mr. President. All right, we have to take a quick break, but when we come back, I'll be talking to the one and only, Malcolm Gladwell. Stick around. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it. This is 60 Minutes. It's a kind of a magazine for television. Very few have been given access to the treasures in our archives.

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Check it out. Malcolm Gladwell, welcome to the Daily Social Distancing Show. Thank you. I'm very flattered to be on it. I'm honored to have you here because I said this to you before, but I'll say it to you again while people are watching so there's witnesses. You are one of the people who has taught me to always question what I think I know about the world. And you're an expert in doing that in your books. You know, you, you create and tell stories about things that are seemingly unconnected and then by the end of the story or by the end of the book we start to realize realize, to realize, to realize, to realize, to realize, to realize, th, to realize, th, th, th, the, th, th, th, the, th, the, th, the, the, th, the, the, th, th. And, the, the, the, thi, the, thi, the, the, the, thi, thi, the, thi, the, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, th............... And, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thr-I. And, to, to, to, toe, toe, toe, thr-I. And, thr-I. And, the the, the, the, the, the, the end of the story or by the end of the book, we start to realize how everything is connected or how everything affects something else in a way that we never thought possible. Your podcast does that as well.

And one of my favorite episodes in the podcast is where you talk about elections. And what was really mind-blowing for me was getting to a place where I realized as human beings we are horrible at predicting who is going to be a good leader. And so I found myself at the end of that episode of the podcast going like, wow, maybe elections should be lotteries. Maybe we should have no elections, no money being spent, no people campaigning, just a lottery system of all the people who want to run should run. Do you still stick by that, though? Is that something that you believe in when you look at elections? The cues we use to predict who's going to be a good leader are faulty. Do I think that should be true of a presidential campaign?

No. But I do think there is a way to restructure our elections, where we do cast the net a lot wider, and maybe at a local level we should go with lotteries as a way of picking who our leaders should be. I think there's something to that. Right now, America's going through a really, really tough time. I think it's exacerbated by coronavirus. The George Floyd protests have now swelled into a nationwide movement where people in the country are saying we want to see change predominantly within the police force. For those who thinks they have th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi that is that is that, that, thate thateeeeeeeeat to toooooooooooooooi. thateeeeeat. thateee. the. the. we want to see change predominantly within the police force. For those who think they have an idea of police, police reform, defunding the police or even abolition, what do you think some of the unthought thoughts should be about this whole process?

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It's a really hard job. They're not trained to do it, and they don't want to do it, right? And so what we're doing is we've taken a group of people who already have an insanely difficult job. We've made it a lot harder. Why? Because we're too cheap and we're too unfeeling and we're too lazy to build adequate support systems for people who are very much in need in our country. So there's a case where I think stage two is time for people like me and you and all of us to stand up and say, okay, I am willing to support greater funding for homeless services

for the mentally ill in order to improve the quality of policing in this country, among other reasons, right? That's where I think we should be headed right now. And I feel like if people in the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police, the police, the police, the police, is the police, is the police, is the police, is the police, is the police, is the police, is the police, is time, is time, is time, is time, is time time time time time time time time time time time time time time, is time, is time, is time, is time, is time, is time, is to, is to, is to, is to, is to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is to be to be to be to be to be to be ti. is ti. ti. ti. time, is ti. time, is time, is time, is time, is time, is ti. to ti. among other reasons. Right. That's where I think we should be headed right now. And I feel like if people in the police department saw that, they would be much more willing to embrace reforms, because they would say, you know what, we're all in this together. It's a very different place to start a reform conversation, than a conversation that's all about,

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protest in many ways is defined by your standing in life. So the more you have the the the the the the thi th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. thoe, thoe. thi. thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes. thoes. thoes. thoes. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe, toe toe, toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toeeeeee. toe. toe. toe. toe. th. th. th. to myself, protest in many ways is defined by your standing in life. So the more you have, the less of a tolerance you'll have for protest. In all your studies and in the work that you look at and in the ideas, have you come across anything? Or do you even think the mind of Malcolm Gladwell can go, like, there is a definitive answer? Or is this something that I would be the appropriate person to ask, I would say actually you are, you're South African, the best contemporary example of how to handle a successful protest reform movement. Last 25 years is Nelson Mandela, right?

And what does Mandela have in common with other successful historical examples, Martin Luther King, we could make a list, Gandy, that they are, their protest is purposeful and disciplined. What I would like to see from the protests that we have now is that same discipline and purposefulness. I think we have it in large part, but there are times when it doesn't seem to be out of those things. When a bunch of people get out of control and just start breaking windows, then I say, I don't really know what that is achieving. When I see people, those kinds of protests that were in New York are in major cities where,

you know, tens of thousands of people would march purposefully and peacefully with one voice, demonstrating the world that this is not some minor niche group in society that's upset. This is everyone. That, to my mind, I had a number of people who studied police reform very closely to say to me that that had tremendous impact in moving and getting people like Congress to take police reform seriously. So that was, that's one side of my brain.

There is another argument though, and that is that without that side of the protests, they wouldn't have been seen as the reasonable person to deal with the reasonable, you know, you know what I mean? People say Martin Luther King Jr. needed Malcolm as much as the other needed the other. That's the puzzle I'm playing with in my head as I go like, is it, is it the peaceful protest that works or is it the fact that the peaceful protest is seen as peaceful relative to another protest? You get what I'm saying? So for instance, Colin Kappenik was protesting peacefully.

He was met with the utmost resistance that anyone could be met with. And I'm sure now if he kneeled, people will say, well, that's a much better way to protest than breaking a window. Yeah. Yeah, I do think there's something to what you're saying. I would only add to, to my mind, there is an immediate existential threat to all of this, which is the possibility that Trump gets re-elected. And all I care about right now is that we get through this election intact. You know, that an awful lot of what we're seeing that is malignant and pathological

in America right now is simply a result of this guy in the White House. So, you know, my fear, I don't know whether it's a legit fear or not, but part of me worries that the more violent kinds of protests have the effect of aiding Trump's re-election. Before I let you go, you have done a lot of work looking at the way human beings see each other, the way human beings interact with each other, and how that can define progress or a stagnant society. Is there a better way for us to communicate, specifically I should say, with people we don't agree with?

And I'm not talking about Nazis. I'm just talking about people who we just have like some, you know, political disagreements with. And I'm talking about Nazis. I'm just talking about people who we just have like some, some, you know, political disagreements with. We need to find a way to communicate, to understand the complexity of the people we're talking to. So you and I could come, could make a list of all of our identities. You know, you are a South African, you are biracial, you are a comedian, you are a successful author. And you and I may have profound disagreements along one of those lines, but we may agree on six of them. And I feel like what's happened in our society now is, you know, you'll talk to someone

who loves Trump and you'll assume that's the most important dimension in their life and that the difference between you and that person politically is irrevocable. There's no way you can bridge that gap. But then if you talk to them for a little bit longer, you would discover, you know, they're a massive basketball fan and so are you. And I think a lot of times those other identities are a lot more important than the ones we spend all of our time obsessing over. I think it's time for us to start looking for ways to find common ground with people and getting beyond the most kind of obvious and salient of their identities.

I could talk to you for hours, but luckily I've got the podcast for that. I've got the books. Thank you for taking the time. Congratulations on another wonderful podcast season and I hope we'll be seeing many more. Thank you, Trevor. Thank you so much again, Malcolm. When we come back, I'll be talking to one of the stars of New Girl about his brand new show. That's right. Laun Morris.

thriii. Welcome back to the Daily Social Distancing Show. So earlier today, I spoke with the actor and comedian Lamourne Morris. We talked about his brand new role as a black cartoonist in the Hulu comedy series, Woke. Welcome to the show, my dude, how you doing? Oh my god, I'm just chilling. I'm just relaxing, living life, enjoying the moment, kind of. I don't know if cool is the right word, but nobody has th this in an interview that I've ever done with them in my life. I'm not gonna lie to you. Feel free to go ahead and say cool. I'll say fresh, I'll say,

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I lay on the couch. I have my titties out. And I just kind of, I just enjoy the first. This is the way I've just chosen I just I just I just I just I just chosen I just I just I just I just chosen I just chosen I just chosen I just chosen I just chosen I just chosen I just chosen I just chosen I just the way I just the way I've just chosen I've just chosen I've just chosen I've just chosen I've just chosen I've just chosen I've just chosen I've just told I've just told I've just told I've chosen I've just told I've just told I've just told I've just told I've just told I've just told I've just told I've just told I've just told I've just told I've just told I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've to live my life, especially during the pandemic. Got the tits out, why not? You say that, but you work a lot, man. But then what they don't realize is that Lamont is secretly creating a television show that's going to drop on Hulu that's called Woke. And whoobo, I mean, by the looks of it.

the show that comments specifically on what's happening right now in America. But as I understand, this was created before the George Floyd movement, before the Black Lives Matter protest really built up again. Talk me through why you made this show and why you decided to go with the title, woke. Because that title, I mean, the word woke has become, I mean, on one of the most contentious phrases you can use. I mean, New Girl was one of those shows that was just pure fun. You know, we tackled some subjects and sexism at the workplace. We hinted on racism a bit. I know I wrote an episode about that.

But when we were done, I kind of wanted to be a part of something that meant something. It was based on the life of Keith Knight and a real cartoonist who kind of walked a very similar walk that I did you know what I mean politically where I didn't really know where I fit I just like I said I kind of wanted to just lay around with my titties out and just enjoy life But then you see someone Going through some sort of injustice or you see all these things and then you for some reason one day you just? to become activated or woke as you all it engaged. You know what I mean? And so that's kind of why I wanted to jump on this show because it meant something to me that folks will look at it

and watch it. Maybe they'll learn something, you know, or if you're anything, maybe they'll just laugh, but at the end of the day, I could feel good about contributing something to to my friends about how one of the major signifiers or one of the major experiences of being a black person is that even if you do not choose to engage in the conversations around how black people are treated at some point you will be treated like a black person. Do you know what I mean? Absolutely. Then at some point, the very black nature of your skin means you are involved in something that you didn't choose to be involved in. And the character you're playing. And the the the the their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the very. the very. the the the the very. the very the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the thr. thru the thru thro the the the the the the thro the the the the that you didn't choose to be involved in. And the character you're playing had that. He was a cartoonist, who was just having fun, making fun, light-hearted cartoons, and then the police tackled them in the street because they thought he looked like the mugger

that they were looking for and his life changed over night. What were you trying to do in tryn't to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to this coin, you know what I mean? I feel like people, I think black is a spectrum, you know, it can be anything. I listen to different type of music. I dress a certain way and constantly I'm hit with these these micro-aggressions of, you know, you don't sound black or, and I've heard that from black people, from white people, I've had white people tellain that they're blacker than I am. I like. I like I liked I liked I to th. I th. I th. I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel feel I feel I feel feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel feel I feel I feel I feel I feel like feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel th. I feel I feel I feel thi thi thi thi thi thi th. th. th. th. I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel I feel like feel like feel like feel like feel like feel like feel like feel like feel like like like, I feel like like like like like like, I feel like like like like like like, I feel like like like like like, I feel like like like, I feel like like like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like sometimes, you know, we're hit with this stigma or this stereotype of who we are, which can then lead to stereotypes, racism, it can lead to all kinds of negative things towards our skin tone. I think that when people who watch the show, it's not just for the people who don't know. It's also for that black kid who feels like maybe he doesn't necessarily fit in or he dresses a certain way, he can identify

himself with something. Hopefully they can get some sort of motivation or activation to address the elephant in the room and when you do that it causes other people to get in on the conversation and you can't change something unless you're faced with it, right? I believe that's the quote. So if you, you know, until we're faced with it, you know, then things will probably remain the same. Hopefully the show will help towards that conversation. Well, I hope people will start by watching your show because I honestly think entertainment

is one of the most powerful tools that gets people into it. And so I feel like if there's more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more there's more there's more there's more there's more there's more there's more their more tackle ideas of racism and race and all the concepts we deal with, I think you can't have a lot of people who are a lot more educated than they thought they could be just by watching TV. So congratulations on the show. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations on that silk outfit. I can truly say we have never seen anything like like, thaaaaaaaaaaa. to get. to get. to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get. to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be. to to to to to the the the to. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to be...... to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to to to to toe. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. the the the to get the tits out. I can truly say we have never seen anything like this on the show and I think television

will never be the same. What do you say you want me to come closer to the screen? What did you say, Trevor? Oh my god, look at those things. Look at those things. Thank you. that's our show for tonight tod tod tod tod tod tod todn, today today today too, too, too, the show, too, tho, tho, tho, thi, too, tho, too, too, tho, tho, thi, the thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, they. tho, they. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tttttttttttoge. toge. ttoge. ttoge. toge. toge. tha. tha. tha. thae. tothat's our show for tonight, but before we go, I wanted to remind you that there are less than two months until the election. Yeah, I know. Two months.

Now, America is facing a nationwide poll worker shortage. And because most poll workers are over 60, and coronavirus is still in the air, they are understandably not showing up. But fewer poll workers means fewer polling stations are going to be open and it means the lines will be longer and not everybody can afford to wait, especially in poorer communities. The good news is though, most poll working is paid and in some states you can be as young as 16 to do it. So if you're interested and you have the time, this is your chance to make some money, protect democracy and save your granny at the same time. show on YouTube for exclusive content and more. This has been a Comedy Central podcast.

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