The Daily Show: Ears Edition - The Pink Tax And Why It Costs More To Be a Woman | Beyond the Scenes

Episode Date: August 27, 2023

The pink tax is a form of gender discrimination that can cost women an average of $1,400 or more a year. In this episode, host Roy Wood Jr. sits down with correspondent Desi Lydic, segment director Stacey Angeles, and Congresswoman Jackie Speier to discuss everyday examples of goods and services that cost women more, the economic impact of the pink tax, and the challenges of being a female consumer.   Original air date: March 8, 2022See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's called the Pink Tax. Research has shown, women pay more than men 42% of the time. In fact, a recent study shows it starts from the time you were born until the day you die. Today I'm joined by Daily Show correspondent Desi Lydic and segment director Stacey Angelis who both created this segment for the show, Ladies, hello, Roy. Joining us also, we are very lucky to have Congresswoman Jackie Spear who was in the original piece with Desi and this Congresswoman has been fighting gender discrimination for 20, 30 years Congresswoman Spear, welcome to Beyond the Scenes. It is my pleasure. Thank you for

the for having me. Well pleasure. Thank you for having me. Well, thank you for letting me be a man in this woman-centric topic. Too bad we don't rule the world, though, just because we're ruling this particular podcast. That's the problem. We're not ruling the world yet. I would be honest.

I felt uncomfortable hosting this episode. I was like, maybe Desi need the guest host. I don't want to get in trouble. You're doing great, Roy. Okay, before we do anything, we have to define what the issue is. So Desi, Stacey, let's start off off the top. What is the pink tax? Well, the pink tax refers to the markup on goods and services that are specifically being targeted to women. Gender price discrimination. So Roy, everything you buy is cheaper than the same products we want to buy. Okay, so if we both bought deodorant and mine is man deodorant and yours is woman deodorant, same brand, you're paying more than me, is what you're saying, Stacy. It's more expensive for us to smell good,

which is why Stacy and I refuse to smell good than for you. Which is why Stacy and I refused to smell good. Yeah, you're lucky this is on Zoom Roy because you don't want to smell this. Okay. Won't even let us back in the studio. Yes. Okay. Nothing to do with COVID. So Congresswoman, Congresswoman, I'm sorry I apologize for both of them. Why does the pink tax exist? And more importantly, how do manufacturers and retailers justify this tax? Well, the pink tax exists because it's a form of gender discrimination. It's not just about pink, it's about the fact that women's products cost more than men's products when they are basically identical. It is important for us to address this because, as we all know, women still make less than men for every dollar a man earns, a woman makes 82 cents.

If you look at women of color, it's even more egregious. And that's real money when everything is said and done. Are there other examples of this other than deodorant? Because I'll be honest, as a man, this isn't something that you would normally think about because you're not buying a lot of women's items unless you are committed, strong man in a relationship like I am. So you're not aware of this. Give me, what other items other other other other other other other other other otherthis. Give me what other items other than deodorant?

I have heard that women get worse deals on cars. But let me give you some products that kind of make the case. All right. So this is Dove deodorant for men and women. And as you can see here, for a four pack, a woman's gonna pay $19.39. The man's gonna pay $13 in $58.08.00.00.00.00.00.00.00.00.00.00.00.00. And th.00. And th.00. And th. And that.00.00. And th.00.00. And as th.00.00.00. And as th, th, that, that, that, that, that's th, th, as you. I th, as you th, as you th th th th th th th th th th th thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to the the the the the the the the the the toeooooooooooooooooo- the the the the the the the the the the toaeraera, to's going to pay $19.39, the man's going to pay $13.58. But that's just the odor. Let's move on. How about probiotics for women? 3279, $22.79 for a man. All right, this is like the price is right. Let me guess the next.

It is. The price is wrong, though. That's the the price is right needs to have a gender separate episode? Yes. Maybe so, huh? So look at this. These are bibs right? Bibs for boys, bibs for girls. A dollar more for the girls bibs. Now wait there's more! What? There's more? What? There's more? Oh my god. These are kids diapers. The kids diapers. $37 for the girl. $33 for the boy. th. But. But. But th. But th. But th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the boy. the boy. the boy. the boy. the boy. the boy. the boy. the boy. the boy. the boy. the boy. the boy. th. th. th. the the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl the girl th. B th. B th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the boy. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thee. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the. the. the. th kids diapers $37 for the girl $33 for the boy, but I'll show you the same Discrimination for a gel tiper. It's just you and Congresswoman And boys have more happening to fill out diaper space a really square footage. It should cost more for the man, right? Probably because they need more absorbent material, so it absorbent material so it should cost more, right? Yeah.

Now, we did this same study two or three years ago, and they were egregious around children's toys. So I had my interns do this just this week, and this is what they found online at retailers throughout the country. So this is up-to-date current. So what are we going to do about it? right more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more th more th more th more th more th more th more th right more th right right right right right right right right right right? Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. this this this this this this this this this this this this. Right. Right. Right. this. this. this. this. this. this throughout the country. So this is up-to-date current. So what are we going to do about it? How does price discrimination add another layer to the wage inequality that women also deal with?

Well, it's yet another blow. When I did the service review in 1996, we found out through the Assembly Office of Research in California that women were paying $1,400 in a gender tax every year more than men. So imagine, on top of the fact that we're in a she session, not a recession, more women are out of work than men, and there's 1.3 million women who have left the workforce since COVID hit and have not returned in part because of the lack of child care. This number is the highest number of women not employed since 1991.

So you couple that with women out of work, women getting paid less than men, and on top of that, products and services are costing them more. There ought to be a law. And that's why I've introduced the Pink Tax Repeal Act, and we have 51 co-sponsors on it now. This issue, this Pink Tax issue, when we talk about the, say the word again, a She-Session, instead of a resession. Does the Does the she session strike women equally or even within that is there additional inequities based on race? Oh no

question. It's more egregious for women of color. African-American women, Latino women, and the amount of loss and income is the greatest for Latina women. So, your pink tax repeal act. It's bipartisan and basically we're trying to get all of these manufacturers and retailers on the same plane to basically say, if it's something as simple as deodorant and it both, you keep both of y'all from being musty, it should be the same price. That's right. Unless you can prove... I'm sure it's not worded like that. I'm sure you worded it more professionally. You probably said FTC and attorney general,

you used a lot of the proper words. That's right. We did use more proper words to basically say, if you don't play by these rules, you're going to be sued. And so then the bill has 48 co-sponsors right now. Has there been any pushback that you've seen so far on your proposal? The numbers have grown. It's now at 51. I've talked to the chairwoman of the subcommittee.

She loves the bill. And we're going to have a hearing on it and hopefully get it to the house floor. And we can credit you with helping me get it over the top. Desi. Dizzy. No credit here. No credit here. What role can consumers play in provoking change? And by consumers I mean men. You know what I'm talking. We're the problem. You are the problem. Well, the problem is that it's not illegal in most states to charge more for services based on gender or charge more for products.

You should not be discriminating on goods and services based on gender. It should be based on the time it takes to do a service and what's in the product. Women pay about 40% more to get their haircut than men th th th the than the than the the than the the the the the the the the the the the the the th it takes to do a service and what's in the product. Women pay about 40% more to get their haircut than men do, and they pay about 60% more at the dry cleaners for the same service for the same item. And then for car repairs, they pay about 30% more. Now in California, back in the 90s, I had legislation passed that was signed into law that said for services you had to base it not on gender but on the amount of time it takes to provide that service. For instance, I timed the

last time I got my haircut. It took 10 minutes and I watched a man getting his haircut and it took longer. So if we do base it on time, then I think you're going to see the tables turned a little bit and then there'll be an outcry from you guys because you're going to be paying more for your $2 dry cleaning shirt. Wouldn't you say that you all were first aware of a pink tax existing? Because you know, you got to figure you have a little bit of a blind spot to certain inequities and then one day you just go wait a minute when was your wait a minute moment Congresswoman I start with you

it was when I took my husband's Oxford shirt shirts to the dry cleaner and they were you know a dollar fifty a shirt and my Oxford shirt costs you know three fifty or four dollars that's when I thought and they were, you know, a dollar fifty, a shirt, and my Oxford shirt costs, you know, three, fifty or four dollars. That's when I thought, wait a minute, something's wrong here. I can remember when I first started shaving my legs around six, seven years old, I was a very hairy child. No, I was 13, 12, 13, somewhere around there, and my mom bought me a razor and some shaving cream. And I remember the Gillette razor being considerably more expensive than what men use.

And my mom refusing to buy me that razor and also bought me a can of barbisol, like the old school men's shaving cream. And so when I shaved my legs, I used, I just used the stuff for men. And I still, if I'm the old school men's shaving cream and so when I shave my legs I use like I just use the stuff for men and I still if I'm being honest I still have an affinity for the smell of barbisol. That's why I just never shaved my legs mine was I went through a terrible phase where I had we'll called a pixie haircut to be nice about it and I went to a hair salon and the girls' haircuts were like about $20 to $30 more.

And I was like, why, I'm literally getting the same haircut as that guy in the chair. And I just at the time thought that they were just a really, like, sexist hair place. And they were like, oh, women, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th, the th, the the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the girl, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thr, thro, thro, tho, thoo, thea, thooooooo, and th.. thea, thea. thea, throooooooooo, you know, you guys have more layers. I'm like, it's the exact same haircut. And then it wasn't until I went to your office and I was ashamed. I was like, oh my god, this is a thing, like another thing to add on top of everything else. So you open my eyes, Congresswoman. Good. we don't have a lot of time with you and I want you to be able to get back into those halls of justice and fight with all of those idiots that you see on the floor every day. Yeah. Please. Yes. I know that you know

after about four decades in public service in the form of politics, you've made the decision to retire. So, you know, in your own words, you know, just tell us what's next for you? What does retirement, because I'm always, I feel like people who are for people and who fight for the people, you don't turn that off. That's right.

Like, I have buddies that are retired firefighters, and now they train firefighters. There's still something else that they do that's adjacent to helping people. So what does retirement look like for you? Have you decided what that what the next four decades is going to be? Well, I don't know exactly, but all I'm doing is going home because I made a commitment to my husband that I would spend more time at home. So I'm going to continue to be engaged, use my voice. I want to start a nonprofit foundation for the region in which I live. And I want to continue to give back. So I will continue to do that.

Well, Congress, Farman Speer, thank you so much for going beyond the scenes with us. And I'll be sending you an email. I have some discount deodorant that I will be more than happy to sell you. Sell me? How dare you? How dare you? Thank you so much, Drugs.

I'll send you some of that pink stuff that I have, okay? Fair enough. Great to be with you. Bye bye. So, Desi and Stacey to would like to talk more about how this segment came together. This is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back. Finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You might get a lot of resumes, but not enough candidates with the right. to the tri-crui. Z c. to to to to toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe. toe. toe. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toe, toe, the, toe, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the theeeeee.a.a. thee. ther. Zip Recruiter finds amazing candidates for you fast. And right now you can try it for free at Zip Recruiter.com. Zip Recruiter's

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the weekly show with John Stewart. Wherever you get your podcast. Desi. Stacey. Stacey. to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. Desi, Stacey, walk me through how this piece came to be because the Congresswoman is presenting a whole bunch of different stuff, and y'all only have four minutes. Maybe five and a half to break down this issue. How can you break down centuries of inequality against the woman in five minutes? Get ready to feel bad about yourself, Roy. Get ready. How does this piece come to be?

Just walk me through the germination of it in the building. Well, Stacy and I were making a special for Comedy Central called Desilightic Abroad. You can find it on Paramount Plus, stream it now, anytime. You feel like getting out of your living room, traveling the world. I think it plays better now than it did. And things are still just as bad as they were when we filmed it. So it's still totally irrelevant. Yay. Anyway, and Congresswoman Speer was kind enough to talk to us for the special. And I think we only had, like you said,

we only had a few minutes of time with her, not only to shoot, but in the actual piece itself. And she was able to beautifully shed a light on all of the discrimination that women faced when it comes to wage inequality and health care. But one thing that came up when we sat down and spoke with her is the pink tax. And we definitely talked about it a little bit in that interview, but there just wasn't enough time.

So Stacey and I felt like we really wanted to do a bigger piece on it. So she was kind enough with her time to give us a whole other interview. So we went back to DC and did an entire piece on the pink tax. Yeah, I mean, in her office had all those products, so I didn't even know that it existed. And I just remember like that kind of overshadowed what we were there to talk about, not really, but it was just like, we just didn't know. And we were both very outraged about it. And we just exchanged a glance, we're like, we're gonna do a segment on this. Something on this.

Yeah, it's one of those things right. And then Desi try to flip a table. Well, I did. I did. She did. She did it. to be a tha the they they. the the, the the, the the, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too. too, too, to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. I. to. to. t. to. t. t. No, it was one of those things where like as a woman you notice small things that come up like, oh, why is that so much more expensive than this one?

Oh, well, I guess I'll just buy the men's version or why am I paying $3 more for my husband's shirts at the issue was until she really pointed it out. Stacey, in the building for the listeners who don't know this, you are, like there's two types of segment directors. They're the people who go, okay, what's the story and how do we make this funny? And then they're the people that are more lighthearted and go, I'm funny, how do I keep this funny? There's too much sad shit in my funny.

Oh no, I've got to add more sad shit to my funny. Where is this going? Why am I getting into care all of a sudden? No, this isn't a bad thing because it's the balance. And it's just cereal, it's cereal and milk. Some people put milk in the bowl first, then the cereal. Some people put, you get what I'm saying? Who did that? What? What?

? No, that's. the do it. At the end of the day, it's still a bowl of cereal, is my point. And to me, you have a different approach from a lot of the other segment directors. So how do you navigate the seriousness of a topic with humor? Like, how are you able the good things about working with Desi is we both have an absurd sense of humor.

I think we bonded over our love for like naked gun and airplane, and we've pitched a lot of ideas that always get shut down. And I think one of the vehicles I'd like to use to tell a series story is like kind of showing it in an absurd way to get the point across, so it's not just like statistics and facts and whatever. So we're like, let's show a way that there's this gender price discrimination by maybe going to a store and kind of. Wait, in a store, was the store open?

the store and we just shot in a store? We can't afford that. You can't afford to rent out the shoots. No, we we we we we we we we we we we we we th we th we th we th, we th, we th, we th, we th, we th, we th, we th, we th, we th, we th, we th, we th, we th, we th, we th, th, th, th, that, th th that, that, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. tho, th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thii, that, thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. Yeah, I mean, come on Roy. You've been on shoots. No, no, we, it was a crafty. We have to like, you know, sneak in corn nuts in the stock room. Now, it was fully open. We were dodging customers. I mean, it was funny. I remember, run and run.

What? Me and the D.P. went down one aisle. because we were scouting the aisle, we're like, oh, let's do this here. And then there was like a lady shopping for like canned peas, and she was just taking her time, we're like, okay, fine, we'll go to another aisle. And we just had to keep working around the customers and- This is how we do it. It's how we do it, it's it was just fun. And you know, Desi and I work, I mean, her ideas are just as absurd as mine.

We just piggyback off and like take it to this extreme place where hopefully it goes and you know, we just do it till they shut us down. And we thought, let's just do it in a way where we go to the grocery store and Desi investigates it. I don't really know what the justification. . I don't really know what the justification of you like sneaking around it was, oh, because you weren't paying for it. You weren't going to pay for it, so. Right.

I had to go very incognito, almost, yeah, real investigative work. Well I think that's the thing that makes us laugh so hard is like us taking our jobs way too seriously. So anytime we have an opportunity for me to just take my job too seriously and not and not and not and not and not, and not, and not, and to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the to be a to be a to be a to be a to bea, to bea, to, to, to, the the to, the the to be, to be a, to be a, to be a, to be. And, to be a to be. And, to be a to be a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the and not do it that well, we commit a thousand percent. But Stacy is one of my absolute all-time favorite directors to work with. She, you know, you really, like you, she's so good at not only being a collaborator, but what you said, like, Stacey's excellent at knowing how to tell a story clearly, including all the facts, making sure that there's an arc to it, making sure that we're telling the full picture, but also making it really funny, and then she also has a really unique visual comedy brain. So she tries to direct the pieces in a way where she's, she gets creative and finds new

ways to tell the story that didn't exist to begin. Oh my God, you guys stop. It's true. Well, I mean, that's the truth. Your mind works in a different way to get to the same bowl of cereal. Y'all had a game show in the middle of, like, yeah. Where no th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th Yeah, where no one wins. Men win. As displayed in some of these products we have with us today. And a game we call,

parting the horrible end. I mean, Desi and I just, again, like, without trying to be preach, we just try to put it in a fun package that can like kind of speed it up because also we have to like, we have that time challenge where we have to make it as interesting as possible and give as much information as possible in like a short window of time so we're like why don't we do a because you kind of automatically go to the prices right you know mindset when you're doing this and so I mean I think it was a collaboration between both of us because Jackie, Congresswoman Jackie Spear

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So women literally have to pay more to breathe. Sorry. I just love Desi's graphic face going, sorry, in between all the products. This is where you're so good though, because anything where it's like data heavy or number heavy or too much information, Stacey always comes up with a way to get it out quickly and efficiently in a really fun visual way. Thank you very much for saying that. Is there anything Desi that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th th th th thecieciecie-dese th th th th the-dee-dezy the-dezy the-dese the-dese the-dese the-s-s-s the-dese-sciezyzy's thezy's thezy's thezy's thezy's thezy's thezy's thezy's thezy's the-se-se-se-s the's the's the's the's the's the's thozye's thozye's thozyn thozyn thozyn thozyn-s thozyn-s thozy thozy's tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s tho-s toe-s toe-s. tho-s. tho-s. tho-s. tho-s. th for saying that. Is there anything, Desi, that got cut that you wish had made it? There's always one joke for his correspondence. There's always one joke, we go, come on, man, you cut that.

It was time, it didn't fit. There were so, there were two dumb, one of it, this was a brilliant visual gag that Stacey came up with, where in the grocery store I was like army crawling on my elbow on the floor, like chin almost to the grocery store floor. This was clearly before COVID and it was so dumb, but we we did so much footage of that and just because of the fact that I spent I spent so much time on that floor, I thought, well, this should make it in the piece. It was on the video. The cameras weren't even rolling.

I just wanted to see if she would do that. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other thing, do with him where I was suddenly in love with him in the middle of the piece. We had this weird runner where I kept like under my breath telling him that I loved him. It had nothing to do with anything,

but I think it wound up, it was like, it remained in the first two or three cuts, because we just found it so dumb. And at a certain point, I think people were like, that's not what this piece is about, your love for this man is not, it's not gonna make it, Desi. I would say also, almost every time Desi does her own stunt work,

she puts her heart and soul into it, and it always gets cut. She'll be, like there's one thing we did where she fell into a bunch of trash bags I think a a needle poked her whatever and then also in the grocery store you were Testing out raise your scooters and you knock down Paper towels which we immediately felt bad. We had to stack back up afterwards because we didn't want to like oh no oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, there's a lot of destruction we leave. Yeah, so the pink tax???? the the the the the the the the the the tack. the the the tack. the the the tack. the the tack. the the tack. Yeah, the the the tack. Yeah, st st st. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's the there's the the the their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's. Yeah. It. There's. There's. It's. It's. There's. It's. There's. It's. There's. It's. There's. There's. It's. It's. There's. It's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's.there's a lot of stuff. We leave. Yeah. So the pink tax starts at an early age, infancy even, and you all are parents. You know, Stacy, you're a new mother. Have you noticed the difference between boys and toy,

because I'm sure you've bought toys for other people's children or other. Desi has a son, you have you noticed have you started noticing The pink tax and the prevalence of it even at such a young age Even with a bye-by baby 15% off coupon I do get this email every single day. It's allergic to that I I started I mean as many as you need I know that's true. I didn't start paying attention to this stuff till we did this segment and so now I'm like very very th th th, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to to to to thi. the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toy. toy. toy. toy. toy. toy the toy. the toy. the toy. toy. the toy. toy. toy. toy. toy. toy toy. toy toy toy. toy. toy. that's true. I didn't start paying attention to this stuff till we did this segment and so now I'm like very aware of it and I would say for the most part like all those toys which by the way it's just a rip off of an industry but it's a separate piece. Everything for the most part seems to be equal but there was this one kids activity gym. I don't even know why they called a gym. Like those, you know, the stupid things they lay on with all those crap hanging.

And there was one, yeah, and they, there was one that was like a very stereotypical pink with like unicorns that was like a couple dollars more than the male version. It's just a couple of dollars, but still it's the principle of it. And I like the other the other one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one. I've the other. I've the other. I've the other. I've the other. that and also another another like one of those crinkly toys. A couple of those same.

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It's just pop it.'t. This pop it for a boy costs $4 for a girl, $97. What else in here? I believe it. This basketball for a boy, $37 for a girl, $900. I'd love doing this show in my son's room. I just love the idea. I just love the idea. I just like, Daddy, just give me my toys.

Roy's going around telling people that he's buying his son Poppers. I'm like, after the break, I want to talk a little bit about solutions and ways that we can try and bring about change to the pink tax. I know that the Congresswoman woman woman woman the Congress Congress Congress Congress Congress Congress Congress tha c c c c c c. I tha. I want tha. I want thoes thoes tho. to to to to tho. I want to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tho. tho. I'm too. I'm to to to to to to to to tooing. I'm tooing. I'm to to to to to to to to to to to to too. I too. I. I too. I to too. I to to to to to too. I too. I too. I'm th. I'm th. I'm tho. I'm tho. I'm the tho. I'm the the the. I'm the the. toda. the today. today. the today. the today. too. to. to. to. to. I'm to. I to can try and bring about change to the pink tax. I know that the Congresswoman is doing her part, but we want to also talk about some of the marketing and the strategy and how retailers have been able to pull this off. This is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back. Finding great candidates to hire can be like now you can try it for free at Zip Recruiter.com. Zip Recruiters' smart technology identifies top talent for your

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My new podcast, the weekly show. We're going to be talking about the election, economics, ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back to Beyond the Scenes as we bring this conversation about the pink tax home, the pink tax, where women need equality on the cost of goods and services. In spite of the fact that eventually men pay for the dates and y'all get in free for ladies night and you get free drinks from strangers at a bar and that saves you a lot of money

yet you still want to... How hilarious would that be if that had been my position with the Congresswoman? Oh, I'm like, well, oh, I'm like, well, I'm gonna love it. She just takes her DJ headphones off, slams and it's like over. We didn't have enough time with her, but I seriously would a straight face. I was just gonna ask you, Congresswoman. Would it be great.

Congresswoman do women getting in free for ladies night offset some of these things that you say are in equities. Yeah, how about all the doors I've opened? Oh how fucking hilarious with that have been but we did not have time. Get her back get her back on the phone. Get her back. Let's get her back. So Dessie in the piece you talk about the term pink it and shrink it. What is this pink it and shrink it marketed strategy and why is it problematic? Well, contrary to the, there's a common misconception

that that is just the surgery that a woman has to rejuvenate post-birth. It is not that. It is actually, pink it or shrink, it's actually, from what I understand, a marketing term, when you take an item that, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, th I understand a marketing term when you take an item that is made for men or a gender neutral item and you thin to the size for a woman and you make it pink specifically to market it to women. So essentially it should cost less but inevitably it costs more. So we literally just go, oh, it's for ladies. Look, it's in a pink box and smaller. And we're going to charge you more.

Should we move more towards gender neutral products? What's the solution to this, Stacey? I mean, I think it's crazy that Congresswoman's been fighting this for decades. And there's still, I mean, when Desi and I were trying to think try trying try try to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, toe, toe. toe. toe. toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, they, they, they.... I, they. they. they. they. they. theymea. theyf. theymea. they. the the the the the the the the the the the toeck. I is, toe and I were trying to think of like a way to come up with a solution to this, we were like, people were saying, why don't you just buy the mail version? And then Desi does that beautiful long, you know, zoom in shot where you're like, oh, sure, it's just another thing to add on to all the obstacles we have to do to be a woman. And for me, that speech you give is like the thesis of this whole thing. How can women afford to live in this world? If the man's version is cheaper, then just buy that one.

Yeah, sure. If you think about it, it's just one extra step and a series of extra steps that women take every day to thrive in a man's professional yet accessible, but not too accessible because we don't want to be taken advantage of. Or how we walk in extra five blocks to work so that we can avoid the construction zone because men like to tell us to smile more. And when we get to work, we want to make our voices heard, but in a way that's helpful and strong without being overbearing or shrill. You know, we do all of this without even an ounce of resentment because resentment causes wrinkles and society does not value aging women. Is there a men's wrinkle cream that you can recommend? Yes, there are several. I'm sure it

costs less. Maybe a little. To me, that was the most important part of the segment and Desi did it all in one freaking take. Beautiful. Wow. She looked like she was crying inside as she was doing it because as you should. When we were talking to people they were all like just by the man's panic, just by the man's product. It's like no that's not the point. Women often do have to take extra steps throughout the day just because they're a woman. And so this shouldn't be one extra step th th of th of th of th of th of the th of th of the th of the thi thi the thi the thi the thi the the the thi the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. the. the. the. the. the. the. te. teate. te. te. te. te. te. their their their their their their their their their be one extra step that they have to take. I don't know what the solution is, but it should not be one more thing for a woman to have to go out of her way to do. People just stop being assholes, just let us all be equal. Stop overpricing.

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that charge more women's versions of the product. Maybe in the male versions of the commercials, maybe there's just, like a woman that just pops up in the middle of it so that we can make these products more gender neutral. Because commercials are very gender divisive. Yeah. You know, like if you look at like a razor, this is the Gillette razor and you can shave your things, and you can shave your thing. Like the blade comes out the lava. And theylabe, it's a woman's head pop, and tha, and tha, and tha, and th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, like, like, like, like, like, thi, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the they, they, they, they, they, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, then just you can shave your face

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