The Daily Show: Ears Edition - The Pink Tax And Why It Costs More To Be a Woman (feat. Rep. Jackie Speier)

Episode Date: March 13, 2022

Roy Wood Jr. sits down with Correspondent Desi Lydic, The Daily Show Segment Director Stacey Angeles and Congresswoman Jackie Speier to discuss everyday examples of the pink tax.Watch the original segment:https://youtu.be/As2p2vsdrfk Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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hotel? And we're like, shut your hat and the original party. That is the Daily Show. I'm Roywood Jr. Today we're gonna be talking about the pink tax and the outsized costs of just being a woman. Let's play the clip. Being a woman can cost you. Apparently an average of $1,400 a year thanks to gender price discrimination. If you're a woman just about everything cost you more than similar products marketed for men. It's called the pink.. the the pink. the the the the the the the the the the the the th. tha. thine. thine. thine. thine. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiole. to to to ta. ta. toea. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta. I I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta.a. ta.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. than similar products marketed for men.

It's called the pink tax. Research has shown, women pay more than men 42% of the time. In fact, a recent study shows it starts from the time you were born until the day you die. Today I'm joined by Daily Show correspondent Desi Lydic and segment director Stacey Angelis, who both created this segment for the show, Ladies, hello? Hi Roy. Hello, Roy. Joining us also, we are very lucky to have Congresswoman Jackie Speer who was in the original piece with Desi, and this Congresswoman has been fighting gender discrimination for

20, 30 years, Congresswoman Spear, welcome to Beyond the Scenes. It is my pleasure. Thank you for having me. Well, thank you for letting me be a man in this woman-C-C-C-C-in-in-in-in-s-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-coy-coy-in-in-in-in-in-in-in-coyoy-in-in-in-coyi-in-in'-roya-royi-royi-royi-royi-royooyn. the-roy. Hello, th. Hello, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the th-li-li-li-li-li-li-royed-royed-royed-royed-royed-royed-royed-a-royed-royed-a-royed-royed-a-royed-royed-royed-royed-royed-royed-a-royed. to-a, to Beyond the Scenes. It is my pleasure. Thank you for having me. Well, thank you for letting me be a man in this woman-centric topic. Too bad we don't rule the world, though, just because we're ruling this particular podcast. That's the problem. We're not ruling the world yet. I would be honest. I felt uncomfortable hosting this episode. I was like, maybe Desi need the guest host host. You're doing th th th to to to to to to to thoe to thoe thoe, thoen thoen thoen to thoen thoen tho tho to tho to tho to to to to to to guest host. I don't want to get in trouble. You're doing great, Roy.

OK, before we do anything, we have to define what the issue is. So Desi, Stacey, let's start off off the top. What is the pink tax? Well, the pink tax refers to the markup on goods and services that are specifically being targeted to women. women women women women women women women everything you buy is cheaper than the same products we want to buy. Okay, so if we both bought deodorant and mine is man deodorant and yours is woman deodorant, same brand. You're paying more than me is what you're saying, Stacy. It's more expensive for us to smell good than for you.

Which is why Stacy and I refuse to smell good than for you. Which is why Stacy and I refuse to smell good. Yeah, you're lucky this is on Zoom Roy, because you don't want to smell this. Okay. They won't even let us back in the studio. Yes. Okay. Nothing to do with COVID.

So Congresswoman, Congresswoman, I'm sorry, I apologize for both of them. Why does the pink tax exist? Congresswoman, I'm sorry, I apologize for both of them. Why does the pink tax exist? And more importantly, how do manufacturers and retailers justify this tax? Well, the pink tax exists because it's a form of gender discrimination. It's not just about pink, it's about the fact that women's products cost more than men's products when they are basically identical. It is important for us to address this because as we all

know women still make less than men for every dollar a man earns a woman makes 82 cents. If you look at women of color it's even more egregious and that's real money when everything is said and done. Are there other examples of this other than deodorant? Because I'll be honest, as a man, this isn't something that you would normally think about because you're not buying a lot of women's items unless you are committed,

strong man in a relationship like I am. So you're not aware of this. Give me, what other items items, thant? I have heard that women get worse deals on cars. But let me give you some products that kind of make the case. All right. So this is dove deodorant for men and women. And as you can see here, for a four pack a woman's going to pay $19.39. The man's going to pay $13.58. That's just the odor. Let's move on. How about probiotics for women? 3279 for a man. All right, this like the price is right. Let me guess the price is wrong though. That's the problem. Always wrong. So the price is right needs to have a gender separate episode. Yes.

Maybe so, huh? So look at this. These are bibs, right? Bibs for boys, bibs for girls. A dollar more for the girls bibs. Now, wait, there's more. What? There's more? What?

What? There's more? kids diapers. The kids diapers, $37 for the girl, $33 for the boy, but I'll show you the same discrimination for adult diapers. That's not, and boys have more happening to fill out diaper space, so really square footage, it should cost more for the men, right? Probably because they need more absorbent material material so it should cost more, right? Yeah. Now we did this same study two or three years ago and they were egregious around children's toys. So I had my interns do this just this week and this is what they found online at retailers throughout the country. So this is up-to-date current. So what are we going to do about it? How does price discrimination add another layer to the

wage inequality that women also deal with? Well it's yet another blow. When I did the service review in 1996, we found out through the Assembly Office of Research in California that women were paying $1,400 in a gender tax every year more than men. So imagine, on top of the fact that we're in a she session, not a recession, more women are out of work than men. And there's 1.3 million women who have left the workforce since COVID hit and have not returned in part because of the lack of child care. This number is the highest number of women not employed since 1991.

So you couple that with women out of work, women getting paid less than men, and on top of that, products and services are costing them more. There ought to be a law, and that's why I've introduced the Pink Tax Repeal Act, and we have 51 co-sponsors on it now. This issue, this Pink Tax issue, when we talk about the, say the word again, a she-session? A she-session instead of a recession. Does the she-session strike women equally, or even within that is there additional inequities based on race? Oh, no question.

It's more egregious for women of color. African American women, African American women, and the amount of loss and income is the greatest for Latino women. So your pink tax repeal act. It's bipartisan. And basically, we're trying to get all of these manufacturers and retailers on the same plane to basically say, if it's something as simple as deodorant, and it both, you keep both of y'all from being musty,

it should be the same price. That's right. And unless you can prove it like That's right. Unless you can prove... I'm sure it's not worded like that. I'm sure you worded it more professionally. You probably said FTC and Attorney General, you used a lot of the proper words. That's right. We did use more proper words to basically say, if you don't play by these rules, you're going to be sued.

And so then the bill has 48 co-sponsors right now. Has there been any pushback that you've seen so far on your proposal? The numbers have grown. It's now at 51. I've talked to the chairwoman of the subcommittee. She loves the bill and we're going to have a hearing on it and hopefully get it to the house floor within the next few months. And we can credit you with helping me get it over the top. Dizzy!

Dizzy! No credit here. No credit here. What role can consumers play in provoking change? And by consumers I mean men. You know I'm talking. We're the problem. You are the problem. Well, the problem is that it's not illegal in most states to charge more for services based on gender or charge more for products.

You should not be discriminating on goods and services based on gender. It should be based on the time it takes to do a service and what's in the product. Women pay about 40% more to get their haircut than men do, and they pay about 60% more at the dry cleaners for the same service for the same item. And then for car repairs, they pay about 30% more. Now, in California, back in the 90s, I had legislation passed that was signed into law that said for services, you had to base it not on gender, but on the amount of time it

takes to provide that service. For instance, I timed the last time I got my haircut. It took 10 minutes. And I watched a man getting his haircut, and it took longer. So if we do base it on time, then I think you're gonna see the tables turned a little bit and then there'll be an outcry from you guys because you're gonna be paying more for your $2 dry cleaning shirt.

When would you say that you all were first aware of a pink tax existing? Because you know, you gotta figure you have a little bit of a pink tax existing. Because you know, you got to figure you have a little bit of a blind spot to certain inequities and then one day you just go, wait a minute. When was your wait a minute moment? Congresswoman, I start with you. It was when I took my husband's Oxford shirt, shirts to the dry cleaner and they were you know a dollar fifty or four dollars. That's when I thought, wait a minute, a shirt and my Oxford shirt costs, you know, three, fifty or four dollars. That's when I thought, wait a minute, something's wrong here. I can remember when I first started

shaving my legs around six, seven years old. I was a very hairy child. No, I was 13, 12, 13, somewhere around there. And my mom bought me a razor and some shaving cream. And I remember the Gillette razor being considerably more expensive than what men use. And my mom refusing to buy me that razor and also bought me a can of barbisol, like the old school men's shaving cream. And so when I shaved my legs, I used, like, I just use the stuff for men. And I still, if I'm being honest, I still have an the the the j, I, I, I, I, I, I the j, I the j, I the j, I the j, I the j, I the j, the j, the jeletetetetet, the jelet, the jelet, the jelet, the jelet, the jelet, the jel, the jelette, the jelet, the jel, the jel, the jel, the jel, the jelet, the jelet, the jelet, the jelet, the jelet, the jelet, the jelet, I remember, I remember, the jeled, the jeled, the jeled, the jeled, the jeled, the jelet, the jelet, the jelet, the the the the the jelet, the jeletellet, the the the jelette, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the jelette, the the jelette, the jelette, the jelette, the jelette, the old school men's shaving cream. And so when I shave my legs, I use like, I just use the stuff for men.

And I still, if I'm being honest, I still have an affinity for the smell of barbersol. That's why I just never shaved my legs. Mine was, I went through a terrible phase where I had, we'll call it a pixie haircut to be nice about it. And I went to a hair salon and The girls haircuts were like about 20 to 30 dollars more and I was like why I'm literally getting the same haircut as that guy in the chair And I just at the time thought that they were just a really like sexist hair place and they were like they were like oh women, you know you guys have more layers. I'm like it's the exact same haircut and thin. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, I th, th, I th, th, th, the th, th, the th, I th, th, I their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, I'm their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thr, thr, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, throoooooo, thr-a, throooooooooooo'-a, thr-a, thr- like, oh, women, you know, you guys have more layers. I'm like, it's the exact same haircut. And then it wasn't until I went to your office and I was ashamed.

I was like, oh my God, this is a thing, like another thing to add on top of everything else. So you open my eyes, Congresswoman. Good. We want to open the Well, Congresswoman, I know we don't have a lot of time with you and I want you to be able to get back into those halls of justice and fight with all of those idiots that you see on the floor every day. Yeah. Please.

Yes. I know that, you know, after about four decades in public service in the form of politics, you've made the decision to retire. So, you know, in your own words, you know, just tell us what's next for you? What does retirement, because I'm always, I feel like people who are for people and who fight for the people, you don't turn that off. That's right.

Like, I have buddies that are retired firefighters, and now they train firefight. Like, there's still something else that they do that's adjacent to helping people. So what does retirement look like for you? Have you decided what that, with the next four decades is gonna be? Well, I, I, finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You might get a lot of resumes,

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Well, Congress Farman Spear, thank you so much for going beyond the scenes with us. And I'll be sending you an email. I have some discount deodorant that I will be more than happy to sell you. Sell me? How dare you? Thank you so much. I'll send you some of that pink stuff that I have, okay?

Fair enough. Great to be with you. Bye-bye. So, after the break, Desi and Stacey and I would like to talk more about how this segment came together. This is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back. The Banks family is back like you've never seen them before. Peacock's new original series, Bel Air is reimagining the 90s sitcom we all know and love as a drama fit for 2022. Inspired by a fan's viral trailer, the show brings the fresh prints to modern day America, digging even deeper into the story and themes of the original. Two worlds collide when Will is forced to leave his home in West Philly for the gated mansions

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to break down this issue. How can you break down centuries of inequality against the woman in five minutes. Get ready to feel bad about yourself, Roy. Get ready. How does this piece come to be? Just walk me through the germination of it in the building. Well, Stacy and I were making a special for Comedy Central called Desiletic Abroad.

You can find it on Paramount Plus, stream it now, anytime. You feel like getting out of your living room, traveling the world. I think it plays better now than it did. And things are still just as bad as they were when we filmed it. So it's still totally irrelevant. Yay. Anyway, and Congresswoman Spear was kind enough to talk to us for the special. And I think we only had, like you said, we only had, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th th th th th th had a a a tho, like a tho, like a that, like a that, that, to to to to to to to to to to to to to too, to have a to talk to us for the special. And I think we only had, like you said, we only had a few minutes of time with her, not only to shoot, but in the actual piece itself. And she was able to beautifully shed a light

on all of the discrimination that women faced when it comes to wage inequality and health care. But one thing that came up when we sat down and spoke with her is the pink tax. And we definitely talked about it a little bit in that interview, but there just wasn't enough time. So Stacey and I felt like we really wanted to do a bigger piece on it. So she was kind enough with her time to give us a whole other interview.

So we went back to D.C. and did an entire piece on the pink tax. Yeah, I mean, in her office had all those products, so I didn't even know that it existed. And I just remember like that kind of overshadowed what we were there to talk about. Not really, but it was just like, we just didn't know and we were both very outraged about it. And we just exchanged a glance, we're like, we're gonna do a segment on this. something something something something something. or going to do a segment on this. Something on this. Yeah, it's one of these things. And then Desi try to flip a table.

Well, I did. I did. I did flip the table. I pulled my back, and it hasn't been the same since. But I destroyed some furniture. And she couldn't use ointment on her back because it cost more for more expensive than this one oh well I guess I'll just buy the men's version or why am I paying three dollars more for my husband's shirts at the dry

cleaners than my own oh well I guess I just will boycott dry cleaning now little things like that you you clock but we didn't realize how huge the issue was until she really pointed it out. Stacey, in the building for the listeners who don't know this, you are like there's two types of segment directors. They're the people who go, okay, what's the story and how do we make this funny? And then they're the people that are more lighthearted and go, I'm funny. How do I keep this funny? There's too much sad shit in my funny.

Oh no, I've got to add more sad shit to my funny. Where is this going? Why am I getting into care all of a sudden? No, this isn't a bad thing because it's the balance. And it's just cereal, it's cereal and milk. Some people put milk in the bowl first, you get what I'm?????.? th I I I I I I I I th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's tham tham tham thi. thi. that that is thi. thi. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. There's th. There's th. There's th. There's th. There's th. There's th. There's th. There's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. th. th. that. that. too too too too too too too too too too too much much too too too much too too much too much too too much too much thi. and milk. Some people put milk in the bowl first, then the cereal. Some people put, you get what I'm saying?

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Like, how are you able to balance that? Well, I hope I balance it, but with, for this particular segment, I think one of the good things about working with Desi is we both have an absurd sense of humor. I think we bonded over our love for like naked gun and airplane and we've pitched a lot of ideas that always get shut down and I think one of the vehicles I'd like to use to tell a series story is like kind of showing it in an absurd way to get the point across so it's not just like statistics and facts and whatever. So we're like let's show a way

that there's this gender price discrimination by maybe going to a store and kind of... Wait in a store, was the store open or did we rent out the store and we just shot in a store? We can't afford that. Yeah I mean, Conroy you've been on shoots. No, no, no, we... You don't even get crafty. We have to like, you know... Sneak in corn nuts in the stock room. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that that that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thed. We to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thea. We're thea. We're thea. thea. We're the. th, sneak in corn nuts in the stock room. Now it was fully open, we were dodging customers. I mean, it was funny, I remember running down. What? Me and the DP went down one aisle because we were scouting the aisle. We're like, oh, let's do this here.

And then there was like a lady shopping for like canned peas. And she was just taken her time. okay fine we'll go to another aisle and we just had to keep working around the customers and how we do it is how we do it at the day we should don't act like you never shaved your legs in the middle of a grocery store before oh of course of course yeah and it was just fun and you know Desi and I work I mean her ideas are just as absurd as mine we just piggyback off and like take it to this extreme place where hopefully it goes and you know we just do it till they shut us down. And we thought let's just do it in a way where we go to the grocery store and as he investigates it. I don't really know what the justification of you like sneaking around it was. Oh, because you weren't paying for it.

You weren't going to pay for it so. Right. Had to go very incognito, almost, yeah, real investigative work. Well, I think that's the thing that makes us laugh so hard is like us taking our jobs way too seriously. So anytime we have an opportunity for me to just take my job too seriously and not do it that well, we commit a thousand percent. But Stacy is one of my absolute all-time favorite directors to work with, she, no, you really..... Well.. Well. Well, well. Well, well. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, thi, thi. Well, thi, thi, thi, thi. Well, th, thi. Well, thi. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well. Well, well. Well, well, well. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. Well, th. I I, th. I, th. I, thi. I, thousand percent. But Stacy is one of my absolute all-time favorite directors to work with. She, you know you really like you, she's so good at not only being a collaborator but what you said like Stacy's excellent at knowing how to tell a story clearly including all the facts, making sure that there's an arc to it,

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Where no one wins. Men win. As displayed in some of these products we have with us today. And a game we call, parting or a whorea. I mean, Desi and I just, again, like, without trying to be preaching, we just try to put it in a fun package that can like kind of speed it up because also we have to like,

we have to like, we have that time challenge where we have to the prices right you know mindset when you're doing this and so I think it was a collaboration between both of us because Jackie Congresswoman Jackie Speer wanted to show off all the products. $34. Oh great so while your little girl is learning how to to the system that's exploiting her. Sorry. These are two children snorkels. 884, 1622 for the pink. So women literally have to pay more to breathe. Sorry. I just love Desi's graphic face going, sorry in between all the products.

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There's always one joke. We go, come on, man, you cut that. It was time, it didn't fit. There were so, there were two dumb. One of it, this was a brilliant visual gag that Stacey came up with, where in the grocery store, I was like army crawling on my elbow. On the floor, like like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like elbow on the floor like chin almost to the grocery store floor. This was clearly before COVID and it was so dumb but we we did so

much footage of that and just because of the fact that we spent I spent so much time on that floor I thought well this should make it in the piece. It was on the cameras weren't even rolling. I just wanted to see if she would do that. Yeah Yeah, what it goes for. And then the other the other the other the other the other they they they they they they they they the other they they they the other the other the other they the other they the other they the other they the other they the other they they the other the other the other the other th th th th the other th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the the the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I th. th. th. th. th. the. tho. tho. thoooo. th. thoooo. th. th. the th. thooo. th. th. the the the the the th. the piece. The cameras weren't even rolling. I just wanted to see if she would do that. Yeah. And then the other day, do you do you remember sitting down with Ryan, the economy professor? And for some reason, we discovered this like flirtation that I had with him where I was suddenly in love with him in the middle of the piece? We had this weird runner where I kept like under my breath telling him that I loved him.

It had nothing to do with anything, but I think it wound up, it was like it remained in the first two or three cuts because we just found it so dumb. And at a certain point, I think people were like, that's not what this piece is about your love for this man, this man, is this man, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, thi, thi, is, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th..... I, th..... I, th....... I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. I, I, I, th. I, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm, I'm, I's not gonna make it, Desi. I would say also, almost every time Desi does her own stunt work, she puts her heart and soul into it and it always gets cut. Oh, Desi. She'll be, like, there's one thing we did where she fell into a bunch of trash bags, I think

a needle, poked her, and then also in the grocery store, you were testing out, raised your scooters and you knocked down paper towels, which we immediately felt bad. We had to stack back up afterwards because we didn't want to like, you know. Oh no. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. Yeah. So the pink tax starts at an early age, infancy, even even even even even even even, the thi, thian, thian, thi, th even, and you all are parents.

You know, Stacy, you're a new mother. Have you noticed the difference between boys and toy, like, because I'm sure you've bought toys for other people's children or whatever. Desi has a son, you, like. Finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You might get a lot of resumes, but not enough candidates with the right skills or experience. But not with Zip Recruiter. Zip Recruiter finds amazing candidates for you fast. And right now you can

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15% off coupon? I do get those on the email every single day. It's hilarious you say that. I started, I mean, you can use as many as you need. I know, that's true. I didn't start paying attention to this stuff till we did this segment. And so now I'm like very aware of it. for the most part like all those toys which by the way it's just a rip off of an industry but it's a separate piece the everything for the most part seems to be equal but there was this one kids activity gym I don't even know why

they called a gym like those you know the stupid things they lay on with all those crap hanging and there was one yeah and they there was one that was like a very stereotypical pink with like the the the the the the the the th one th I I I I th one th one th one th one th is th is th is th is th is th is th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the is one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one. the's is the is the. the. the. the. the. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. the. the. that was like a couple dollars more than the male version. It's just a couple of dollars but still it's the principle of it and I like the other one better but it's I've noticed it in that and also another another another like one of those crinkly toys a couple of those same yeah I don't know the sensory things I'm still learning I'm still very still very new, I don't know what I'm doing, but I did notice the poppers, the poppers, popper. Is that what you call them the poppers? I'm gonna call them that from now.

I'm in my son's room, that's the o'clock. Oh, the popper joint. I've seen the popper. things when they start to grab crap but whatever oh I know what is that I don't hang on I it's a pop it it I don't understand you just poppers what is yeah it's just holes and you just pop little it's like the new slap bracelet from the 80s I don't this pop it for a boy cost four dollars for a girl 97 dollars what else in here I believe it. This basketball for a boy, 37 cents for a girl, $900.

I'd love doing this show in my son's room. He's so confused. I just love the idea. I just love the idea. Roy's going around telling people that he's buying his son Poppers. I'm like, Daddy, just give me my toys. Roy's going around telling people that he's buying his son, Poppers. I'm like, After the break, I want to talk a little bit about solutions and ways that we can try and bring about change to the pink tax.

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She just takes her DJ headphones off, Slampton's like over. We didn't have enough time with her, but I seriously would a straight face. I was just going to ask you, Congresswoman. Congresswoman, do women getting in free for ladies night offset some of these things that you say are inequities? Yeah, how about all the doors I've opened? Oh, how fucking hilarious with that event, but we did not have time. Get her back, get her back on the phone. Get her back. Let's get her back.

So, Desi, in the piece you talktalk about the term pink it and shrink it. What is this pink it and shrink it marketed strategy and why is it problematic? Well, contrary to the, there's a common misconception that that is just the surgery that a woman has to rejuvenate post-birth. It is not that. It is actually actually, pink, the pink, the pink, the pink, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, in, th, in, in, in, th, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the the the, the thi, the thi, the, the, thea, thiiiiiiii, is, is, is, thiiii, thi, thi, thi, th is not that. It is actually pink it or shrink it, picket and shrink it. Yeah, it's actually, from what I understand, a marketing term when you take an item

that is made for men or a gender neutral item, and you shrink it down to the size for a woman, and you make it pink, specifically to market it to women. So essentially, it should cost less, but inevitably it costs more. So we literally just go, oh it's for ladies, look, it's in a pink box and smaller and we're going to charge you more. Should we move more towards gender neutral products? What's the solution to this, Stacy? I mean, I think it's crazy that Congresswoman's been fighting this for decades and they're still, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thi, thi, to, thi, to, thi, to to to to be to be thi, thi, and thi, toe, and toe, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and, thi, and, thi, and, thi, thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, toean, toean, toean, toean, toean, toean, toean, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, this, Stacy? I mean, I think it's crazy that Congresswoman's been fighting this for decades and there's still,

I mean, when Desi and I were trying to think of like a way to come up with a solution to this, we were like, people were saying, why don't you just buy the mail version? And then Desi does that beautiful long, oh sure, it's just another thing to add on to all the obstacles we have to do to be a woman. And for me, that speech you give is like the thesis of this whole thing. How can women afford to live in this world? If a man's version is cheaper, then just buy that one. Yeah, sure. If you think about it, it's just one extra step and, and a their, and a, and a, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the the the th, th, thi. thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their, their. their, their. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. And, th. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. thi. thease. thease. theaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseaseasease, thea. theaseaseasease. thease. thease,take every day to thrive in a man's world. Like how we get up a little extra early every morning to put on an outfit that looks professional yet accessible, but not too accessible because we don't want to be taken

advantage of. Or how we walk an extra five blocks to work so that we can avoid the construction zone because men like to tell us to smile. And when we get to work, we want to make to make to make to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thoomorrow, thoomorrow, thooomorrow, thoooooomorrow, thoooooomorrow, theoooomorrow, theoooomorrow, the, their, their, to work, we want to make our voices heard, but in a way that's helpful and strong without being overbearing or shrill, you know, we do all of this without even an ounce of resentment, because resentment causes wrinkles and society does not value aging women. Is there a men's wrinkle cream that you can recommend? Yes, there are several. I'm sure it costs less.

Maybe a little. To me, that was the most thi thi thi thi thi that was thi thi thi thi that was thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi that was thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's thoe. Maybe a little. To me, that was the most important part of the segment and Desi did it all in one freaking take. Beautiful. Wow. She looked like she was crying inside as she was doing it because as you should. When we were talking to people, they were all like just by the man's panic, just by the man's product. Women often do have to take extra steps throughout the day just because they're a woman. And so this shouldn't be one extra step that they have to take. I don't know what the solution is, but it should not be one more thing for a woman

to have to go out of her way to do. People just stop being assels. People just to stop being assuels. Just let us all be equal. Stop overpricing. Stacy, in three sentences or less, solve economic sexism, please. Ready, go. I'll do it in one second. No, I don't stop. Stop. Stop. Make it quit. Make it stop. Maybe a simple solution is all of the goods that charge more for women's versions of the product,

maybe in the male versions of the commercials, maybe there's just like a woman that just pops up in the middle of it so that we can make these products more gender neutral, because commercials are very gender divisive. Yeah. You know, like if you look at like a raise, this is the Gillette razor and you can shave your, like the blade comes out the lava, and the guy grabs it, and then just while he, you can shave your face, and then just have a woman's head pop in, and women too.

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