The Daily Show: Ears Edition - The Supreme Court Aims to Overturn Roe v. Wade | Bill Gates

Episode Date: May 4, 2022

The Supreme Court prepares to overturn Roe v. Wade, Senator Amy Klobuchar talks about the threat to abortion rights, and Bill Gates discusses his book "How to Prevent the Next Pandemic."See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Take a seat. Take a seat. We have got a bumper show for you today. Obviously, we're going to be talking about the big today. to be today, to be talking about to be to be talking about to be to be the big, to be, to be, tooeeea, tooe, tooe, to discuss the big news and then later on here to talk about his work defending reproductive rights as well as how to prepare for the next pandemic Bill Gates is joining us on the show so that's going to be a lot of fun yeah and get this and he's gonna give everyone in the audience a million dollars and now that I said it on TV you have to do it

you got to do it so let's do this people let's do this people let let's this people let's this people let's this people let's this people let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let let this You gotta do it. So let's do this, people. Let's jump straight into the big news of the day. All right, all right, let's get straight into it. For the past 50 years, ever since the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade, women in America have had the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion. And now it looks like that right is going away. Bombshell, the Supreme Court poised to strike down Roe versus Wade. That according to an unprecedented leak of the Justice's draft opinion overnight, a decision would alter the nationwide battle over abortion. The blockbuster story broke overnight on the Politico website,

reporting that a draft of the Supreme Court's opinion shows the court overturning Roe v. Wade in a blistering ruling. Tensions flared outside the nation's highest court after an unprecedentedly She's winning. But the bombshell report comes as five states have enacted strict abortion restrictions and sweeping bans, many of them ready to immediately cut off access to care. If the High Court does overturn Roe versus Wade, over 20 states are poised to immediately ban abortion.

That's right, people. If the court's decision is released officially, abortion will be illegal in about half the states in America. Yeah, that means all across the country, women in places like South Dakota or Missouri or even Texas will have the exact same abortion rights as women in Afghanistan under the Taliban. Yeah, and just think about that. We just evacuated people out of Afghanistan and now we're going to have to evacuate them out of Tennessee. And isn't it amazing? After all these years of the rights screaming about the threats, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, thi, the, the, the, thi, thi, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi.a, ta. ta. tau. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. their, ta all these years of the rights screaming about the threat of Sharia law, it turns out they were just jealous.

Now to be clear, Roe v. Wade hasn't yet been overturned, right? This is a leaked draft from February. It's not official. Like, for all we know, the opinion could change by the time it's released, or the justices who signed on to it in February could thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be to be to be, to be to be, to be, to be, to be to be, to be, to be to be to be to be to be to be, to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be toe, toe, toe, to be toe, toe, to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be their minds. It is not likely, but it's technically possible. I mean, like, who knows? Maybe Justice Alito will try Ayahuasca. And come back with a totally new perspective on the universe and how we're all connected.

Or maybe between then and now, one of these justices will have a daughter, and then they'll understand. Wait, hold on. Oh, I'm thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, to thi, to to thi, thi, to to to to thi, too, too, too, too. too. tooooooooooi. toooooi. tooooi. toooooooooo. too. too, to, hold on. Oh, I'm being told four of them do have daughters. Oh, okay, well, that's f-ed up. But it's important to remember how we got here. Because keep in mind that poll after poll shows that a majority of Americans don't want Roe v. Waite to be overturned. But the GOP didn't care about winning over the people. They just cared about getting enough justices onto the court to get what they want. Basically, they use the same tactic that that asshole friend of yours uses when they're ordering pizza.

Hey, what topics does everyone want? What do you want on the pizza? Extra cheese and pepperoni! Well, I'm ordering so, it's anchovies and anchovies and pnapsed their. Dick. And that's basically how you end up with a Supreme Court decision that amounts to a hostile takeover of America's reproductive rights. The draft opinion is apparently written by Justice Samuel Alito. The language of this draft is blunt, at times, scornful. Justice Alito apparently writing that Roe was egregiously wrong from the start.

He calls it an abuse of judicial authority and adds it is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people's elected representatives. Justice Samuel Alito says, quote, the inescapable conclusion is that the right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the nation's history and traditions. Yeah, believe it or not, according to this argument, there actually is no fundamental right for women to control their own bodies. Lawmakers could pass laws giving them that, but that right is not part of this nation's

history and traditions. Which is kind of true. I mean, the history of this nation is that men can control what women do. And that's what we want to go back to, right? Progress? Yes, yes, am I getting it right? I mean, but then again, the right to an abortion has also been around for 50 years now. Now, think about it. You want to talk about history and tradition? I think it's safe to say that the freedom to choose was just how America was.

No one ever thought the GOP could just roll it back by playing a reverse UNO card. They didn't know it was a thing. I mean, okay, for perspective, for perspective, consider this. It wasn't until the year after Roe v. Wade that women in America got the legal rights to have a credit card without a man. Think about that. Yeah.

And I think we would all agree. It would be a little weird if the court was suddenly like, look, if the founders wanted women to have credit cards, they would have said so. They would have. And look, this ruling is bad enough on its own, but it also sets a new precedent that could make things even worse, because if the right to privacy that Roe is based on doesn't actually exist, then all sorts of things could become illegal. Controception, gay marriage, sex before marriage, adultery, masturbation.

I mean, everyone assumed that these things were here to stay. But give this court some time time, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you their their their thiiiiia, you thia, you thia, you thia, you thi, you just thi, you just thi, thi, the the the thi, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right, the right. the right. the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thr. thr. throoooooo. theat, theat, theat, thr-s. the thri the the the theat, the rightthat these things were here to stay. Yeah, but give this court some time and you can just wake up and find yourself back in the 1960s. Except you wouldn't have hitchhiking, which is the best part of the 1960s. Yeah, back then everyone was an Uber driver. And now, despite how it may sometimes feel, the Supreme Court is not the only branch of government. All right, there's also also also the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president the president and Congress and the Illuminati. Wait, sorry, no, I didn't say that last part. Sorry, just the president and Congress. And so because of that, elected officials from both parties immediately weighed in on the stunning news. If we had to pick a word that our caucus feels it's infuriated.

It's sweet because we're finally vindicating the Constitution. It concerns me a great deal that we're going to, after 50 years, decide a woman does not have a right to choose. This is a great victory. It's a great victory for God. I have seen the world where abortion is illegal. And we are not going back. Republican Center is Susan Collins, calling this decision, quote, inconsistent with what

justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh said in their confirmation hearings and in her private meetings with them before she agreed to vote for them. Really, Susan Collins? You're really going to tell us that you didn't think the conservative justices were going to overturn Roe v. Waite? You didn't think that? That's their their their their the overturn Roe v. Waite? You didn't think that? That's their whole thing. It's like letting Pac-Man borrow your dots and then being shocked that he ate them all. That's what Pac-Man does! How are you the only person on earth who doesn't know Pac-Man?

I mean, look, I will say in Senator Collins' defense, it is insane, it really is insane that Supreme Court justices can just lie in their job interview without any repercussions. You couldn't even do that shit at Kinko's. If you claimed that you're an expert at clearing paper jams, and then when you get there, all you know how to do is make copies of your butt, Kinko's is going to fire you. So obviously Republicans are ecstatic, and Democrats are furious. And technically, Democrats could legalize abortion through Congress if they get rid of the filibuster. The only problem is they don't have the votes to do that. Although who knows? Susan Collins is so gullible.

You know, Chuck Schumer can probably get it to sign on to the filibuster reform by just hiding it in a birthday card. Yeah, that's right. Just sign here. just sign here. Yeah, just sign here. Yeah, his name is Phil Buster. Sign here. Now, what's really interesting about this story is that while many people are upset about the

decision itself, some people are only upset that we're hearing about the decision itself, some people are only upset that we're hearing about the decision. I have never, as you said, seen a leak like this at the court in the years that I've covered it. It is astonishing that somebody would release a draft opinion outside of the court. This is as corrosive, as destructive to the Supreme Court as we've ever seen. This is an insurrection against the Supreme Court. The justices must be able to discuss and deliberate in an environment of total trust and privacy.

It is not up to a law clerk to decide when the decision of the court will be announced. This should have never happened. They should be able to make decisions in private and secret. And then once they're ready to decide and let the country know how that they have ruled, let it out. Yeah, yeah, I like that a lot. I understand why these people are upset. You heard what they said. The conservative majority on this court has a fundamental right to choose when they want to release a decision into the world. Imagine having some random person violate your privacy and make that choice for you. Who would do such a thing? It's crazy. It's crazy how conservatives always manage to make themselves the victim in any situation. I mean they have just accomplished this thing that they've been working towards for 50 years

and their first reaction is, it's so unfair what's happening to us? Well, I'm sorry, what? You wanted your ruling to be a big surprise, and now someone ruined it? Yeah, I'm really sorry that this decision to colonize every vagina in America wasn't given the backseat.

You weren't supposed to look here. You were just supposed to sit in the front and then I was going to put a bag on your head and now it's right, man. I hope you have a happy life. Man, man. Man. So look, man, understandably, today has been a very frustrating and upsetting day for most people in the United States, and we'll keep watching to see how this develops. But for now, though, let's check in on the weather with our very own, DesiLydic everybody!

Crazy day, Daisy, one day, what's happening across the country? Well, as you can see behind me Trevor, in about half the states in this country, women's rights are being burnt to the god-dam ground. Because if this court decision becomes a reality, women in these states are screwed and not just the normal like I live in Texas screwed. Yeah, I have to agree Desi because it is a horrible day for women's rights to choose. Well, actually, Trevor, women do still have the right to choose. We can choose who to blame to blame, to to to to to to blame, to blame, to blame, to blame, to blame, to blame, to blame, to blame, to blame, to blame, to blame, to blame, to blame, to blame, to blame, to blame, to to to to to to to to to to to the the to to to to to to to to to the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, thea thea thea thea thea thea thea thea thea thea to thea,, Trevor, women do still have the right to choose. We can choose who to blame for this mother- fucking shit show of a travesty. Yeah.

Like, for example, I choose to blame Donald Trump and Susan Collins and Mitch McConnell, all great choices. Thanks to them, every red state uterus is about to be public domain again, like a Yankee doodle dandy of reproductive organs. You know what? I'm even choosing to blame the Democrats. Yeah, that's right, for not being aggressive enough,

for not codifying Rowe when they had the power to. Yeah, for not visiting freaking Wisconsin. It is not that hard to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to that hard to to that hard to that hard to that hard to that hard to thi thi the the the the the had the power to. For not visiting freaking Wisconsin. It is not that hard to get there. I did it once by accident. There is so much blame to go around. It's like a raging blame gauntlet or RBG for short. Oh, damn, I see what you did there. Oh, did you? What? I'm just using that common phrase we all know raging blame gauntlet. Okay, okay. I hear what you're saying. Look, women truly have endless choices when it comes to who to blame for this. I blame the way society has made this a woman's problem. I also blame the patriarchy and firm and having gym teachers teach sex ed.

It does not look like a banana, right? Well, I mean, sometimes it actually can't quickly. And you know what? I also choose to blame the media. And what about those stupid pink pussy hats? They didn't do shit. I'm blaming evolution. Because why did we get the uteruses?

Or God? Why did he give us the uteruses? Or God! Why did he give us the uteruses? And yeah, you know what? I think it's safe to say now God's a man. And you know what else, Trevor? I'm pissed at whoever leaked this. Wait, you're upset about the leak? Yeah, of course.

We could have been living an ignorant bliss for the next two months before women legally become dystopian diaper genies. It's the worst spoiler ever. But you know what Trevor, I just have to say the most important choice that we can all make now is to not accept this. We can choose to fight back. We can choose to put pressure on our lawmakers. We can choose to donate to abortion right through. Yeah. And most importantly, I am choosing to take the rest of the week off. Wait, what? Yeah. All women, all women were all aken the rest of the week off. That's cool, right? That's cool, right?

Debilenick, everyone. I feel like I can't say no to them. When we come back, we'll be talking about what can be done with Senator Amy Klobersha, so don't go away. Welcome back to the daily show. Today, everyone is processing the shocking news that the Supreme Court is preparing to overturn Roe v. Wade. To discuss what that means and what can be done about that, we're joined now by Senator Amy Klobuchar. that's the Supreme Court is preparing to overturn Roe v. Wade. To discuss what that means and what can be done about that, we're joined now by Senator Amy Klobuchar, who's live in Washington, D.C.

Senator Klobuchar, thank you so much for joining us on the show. Thanks, Trevor. Let's jump straight into it. Everyone was shocked, appalled. You're just really, you know, blown away by the possibility that this could actually be a decision, especially because for 50 years people have thought that this was settled law. Where do you stand now? Where does America go from here as a sitting senator? Well first as a sitting senator, let me say I am mad.

I am pissed off. These justices, these nominees came before us. Of course, I voted against him, but they said, oh, this is the law of the land. Oh, this is a case that has been affirmed over and over and over again. And then what do they do when they get a chance, they're going to overturn it. And we predicted this was going to happen. But what this means, right now, if this happens over 20 states, many of them have laws already in place, we'll ban abortion, we'll have a patchwork of laws across the country. So the answer is not that.

The answer is that a federal law is passed to codify Roe v. Wade into law, so it is the law of the land. So with that being said, how do you begin to do that? Because I'm sure many Republicans out there right now are going, well, that's why we voted. That's why we voted for Trump. That's that. that. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thiiiiiiii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the thee an theananananananananananananan. the the thee the the the the the the to do that? Because I'm sure many Republicans out there right now are going, well, that's why we voted. That's why we voted for Trump. That's why we're happy that McConnell is in power, because however they did it, they managed to get it done. And then I see a lot of Democrats

where people voted for the Democrats saying, well, are we going to get actions being taken or is it going to be a case of we don't have the votes and we can't figure out how to make it happen? Well two people have to show where they stand and we have to have this vote. It's critical and as you know the vast majority of Democrats in Congress it says already passed the House support this bill. So that is going to happen very quickly. I agree with you we should get rid of the filibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibib of the filib of the filib of the filib of the filib of the filib of the filib of the filibu. I. I. I. I. I. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, th. th. thri- thirty, th thirty, th th th thirty, th th thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th of th of th th th th th th th th thi. thr. thr. I'm, thrown, thrown, togee. toge. toge. tha thae. thae. thr. thr don't know if you know there are over 100 exceptions to that filibuster where, like everyone else, like the House of Representatives, like democracies across the world, we have majority votes. They have majority votes on things like the Trump tax cuts.

They have majority votes on space accidents. They have majority votes on thinks like arm sales. And so you're going to tell me that we have to get 60 votes to change something that this right-wing Supreme Court has put in place where in fact they are against the wishes of nearly 80% of the American people. So if something's worth getting rid of the filibuster for or making an exception to the filibuster, this is it. And by the way, if that doesn't work, you know that old line? Don't get mad, vote.

I say, get mad and vote. We have to do both. Let's talk a little bit about strategy, then. There are two Republican senators who have been on record saying that they are pro-choice. Senator Collins and Senator Mikowski. And they said, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, the the the the the way, the the way, the way, the way, the the the the the tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, they said, hey, we're pro-choice even though we voted for these conservative justices. Would this be a moment where you basically ask them to put their money where their mouth

is and say, well, if you said you are pro-choice and now you see that these justices have to go against what they said, do you think you could get them them them them them them their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr.. throwne. throwne. We's, throwne, throwne, throwne, thr.e. throwne. We's, throwne, throwne, the, the, they're going to do, but I can tell you yes. This is a moment where people have to make a decision. When you look at the history, all kinds of exceptions to that filibuster. And this is a moment where, one, we have to codify Roe v. Wade into law, especially if they have been betrayed by these justices who they claim, made one claim to them and then voted another way. And th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and thin, and thin, and thi, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to thi, tooi. tooi. And, tooi. And, thi. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to them and then voted another way. And then secondly, they've got to make their own decision. They're both independent thinkers and so I don't rule that out, but I also look to the fall as part of this strategy. You can't just look at both things separately as well as the fights that are

going to happen in every single state legislature in the country because this is going to be battled out state by state by state....... the th. Because, th. Because, th. Because, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I this is going to be battled out state by state by state. Because I think when these judges said, and we always thought, they wanted to go back to the 1950s, I think what we didn't realize when they said the 50s, it was the 1850s. And when one branch is screwing up so bad that they're taking positions that reverse 50 years of precedent and against 80% of the American people, yeah, the other branch is supposed to, of government, is supposed to step in. That's what our system of government was set to do, and not make women get back-auli abortions and travel across state lines just to exercise their constitutional,

and I believe it's constitutional right to make decisions about their own health care. Do you worry at all? Do you worry at all that the Supreme Court has lost its neutrality as an institution in America? There was a time when people said, the Supreme Court rules on the laws that have been passed and the interpretation of those laws, and yet now it feels very much like a seesaw. Is there a way you can see America fixing this, or is this just how it's going to be from now on? First of all, I'll note, I take this personally because the justice, who was a Republican president appointed justice, that would be Justice Blackman, was from Minnesota. And he is the one that may be surprised those that had asked for him to be appointed by writing Roe v.

Way. So that kind of independence is not what you're seeing with these conservative justices. Now you have seen it from time to time with Justice Roberts who voted to uphold the Affordable Care Act, who has taken a number of votes and is if he's some radical liberal, not really, but it has gone so extreme that he has been siding with some of the liberal justices. Sadly if this leaked opinion and what we're hearing is true, that won't even matter if he did that because it was 5-4. So as I look to the future, what do we need to do?

Well, I think the first thing we need to do is to make sure that we're putting judges in place. And I will tell you, with the wonderful new appointment of Justice Jackson to that Supreme Court, she will be starting soon. That is a good beginning. And what a moment that was when she got out of the dark and musky Senate judiciary cave that it was and got out in that beautiful sunshine on the White House lawn. There was no Ted Cruz on that lawn and that was her moment. But now sadly the Supreme Court has told us we will no longer allow women to make their decisions with their doctors, Trevor. It will be Ted Cruz that can make

those decisions. But the bottom line right now is we are not going to be able to fix that court before the fall. And I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi that that that that that the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the, the the, the, the the, the, the their their their their the, their the, the, th. their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, the, the, the, the, the, to, toda, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, the the the the th to be able to fix that court before the fall. And I think your audience knows that right now. What we have to do is push these votes, show people where they are, show people where Democrats are and where Republicans are. And if we can't get this done because we have a tied Senate at 50-50, then we go straight to the ballot box, we march that box, people turn out in record numbers. That is how we beat this, Trevor.

That will be the last game. Well, I know you took a window of your time to come and talk to us. I appreciate you for that, Senator. Thank you so much. And you did a great job at the White House Correspondence Dinner. Thank you for calling out Washington. That was there. It was amazing. We want you back.

Thank you very much. Thank you so much, Senator. Good seeing you again. All right, don't go away, because after the break, we're going to be talking to Bill Gates. We'll be right tho. Welcome back to the Daily Show. My next guest is co-chair of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Bill Gates. He's here to talk about his latest book, How to Prevent the Next Pandemagate, the Next to the ta'eat, the next to the neigh the neightheets. Please welcome, Bill Gates.

Welcome back to the show. Thank you. Welcome back to the show. Thank you. Welcome back to the show. Thank you. So everyone gets a million dollars, yeah? Yeah. I mean, you hear the cheers. Maybe a book. Maybe a book?

Wow. Wow. Before we get into the book, let's talk about the news of the day. Reproductive rights. This has been something that people have been fighting for in America. It feels like now America is really rewinding time. I know that you have been one of the biggest the biggest, the biggest, the biggest, the biggest, the biggest, the biggest, the biggest, the biggest, the biggest, the biggest, the biggest, the biggest, the biggest, tha, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to, thi, thi, thi, thi, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the tthea, the the the to women's reproductive rights in America. When you look at the work you're doing and when you look at what we can do to keep improving that and and create that bastion, what are some of the things we can do? Well, first of all, this is a

world-wide struggle. There's a lot of countries that, you know, never had these rights. It's strained to have the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their theirmemememe. th. th. th. to have to have to have th. to have three. to have to have their their their thin, thrime. their their, their, their, their, th. th. th. thi. to be to be to be thi. to be to be th. th. to be th. th. to be th. th. to be to be th. th. th. th. to be to be th. to be to be th. to be thin, thin, thin. to be thin. to be t. t. t. t. t. te. te. te. tean. tean. tean. toean. toe. toe. te. toe. toe. toe. to t. Wea. It's strange to have the U.S. go back. But our foundation has a lot on getting contraceptives out. Some people even fight against that. You know, my dad ran the, shared the local Planned Parenthood. So, you know, the idea of choice seems pretty basic. Mostly you think it's forward progress, not one step backwards. Not one step back. It was one small step for the Supreme Court, one giantly back for all women in America. Let's talk about the book.

Bill Gates, how to prevent the next pandemic. Why are you saying there's going to be a next pandemic, Bill? Why are you putting that juju on us? Well, the risk is always there. We actually were pretty lucky that we want a hundred, a the the the the to the to to the to to to the to the to the the the the to to the to the the the to the their their to their their their to their to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tape tape tip. We're tipe tipe tipea. We're tipauucoa.e.s.s.s. tipea.s.s.s. tipea.s. tipea. tipa. t? Well, the risk is always there. We actually were pretty lucky that we want a hundred years without a really terrible pandemic. 1918, Spanish flu, now, COVID. And we shouldn't expect it'll be that long next time. It's not that hard to get ready.

You need to drill like you do for fire. We've got, you know, 300,000 firemen in the U.S. We've got 9 million fire hydrants, and a lot less than that would make it so we wouldn't have to suffer another pandemic. Before we get into the future of it all, let's talk about the past. You know, I like how you lay out in the book what to do to prevent the next pandemic. You gave a TED Talk a while tode thiiiiiiiiiiiahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to th. to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. We've th. We've th. We've th. We've th. We've th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, you too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. th. th. th. th. th. in the book what to do to prevent the next pandemic. You gave a TED Talk a while ago talking about basically what we just went through over the past two years and then people blamed you for creating it because that's how things work. If you say it, it happens.

It's the secret, I've read it. And you know, I found myself reading the book and I was fascinated. But I was going, but shouldn't we thi I thi thi thi thin shouldn't thin shouldn't thin shouldn't thin shouldn't thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' tho tho the tho tho thin' the tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the th. th. th. th. that that that that that that, that, that, that, that that the the the the to the to to thean. to thean. thean thean thean thean thean the came to be? Like, it's still shrouded in so much mystery. It's like, how do we prevent something where we don't even understand how it came to be? Like, you know, are there labs where they need to do better at, you know, enclosing the work that they're doing? I understand that they have to do the work, but how do we figure that realm. Well, we should be careful about lab safety. It's quite clear in this case that it came across through animals. And almost all our diseases like HIV crossed over from chimpanzees in Africa quite some time ago. Ebola came from bats. This also, with one step in between, came from bats.

So it's going to keep happening, particularly with climate change where we're invading a lot of habitats and you want to catch it as soon as you can. How do we do that? Well, you see people getting sick, you see elevated deaths, and you go in there and you actually take a new sequence it early on. And then you have a global group that is ready to go, that and you actually take and you sequence it early on. And then you have a global group that is ready to go kind of like a fire squad comes in and very quickly you diagnose people. Some countries have had a tenth the deaths of the United States because they were a little bit more ready. Right. And, so boy, we learned a lot in this pandemic. I mean, in 2015, yes, the warning was there, but now we know a lot more and it's obvious, pretty

obvious what should be done. You talk about this global squad in the book, I think you've referred to it. Could you say the name? Germ, G-E-R-M, global epidemic response and mobilization. Why would you call it germ though? Like, if, like, if I need help, I wouldn't call like germ to come and help me. Why call it germ, though? That might, okay, okay. I'll give up the name as long as it gets funded. Okay, fine. All right. Fine. So explain it to me a little bit, you know, because it seems like what you're trying to create is almost like a, you know, like an interplanetary space force, but you're trying to do that for Earth, for our diseases. Isn't there going to be a limitation in how much can get done because

the governments themselves? Like, China was a perfect example. They knew, before people people knew, they try to do their best and theirse. thrown. thrown. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. to be, to be, to be thr. thr. toe. th. the. the. to the, the, the, the. the. the. Isn't, isn't, isn't, isn't, isn't, isn't, isn't, th. Isn't, th. Isn't, th. Isn't, th. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. It. It. It. It. th. th. th. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. their. their, their. their. toe. toe. their. the world lost in trying to prepare themselves. So wouldn't germ be at the mercy of any particular nation? Yeah, we may have lost two or three weeks if China had both domestically and globally talked about it. You know some countries even so that was enough time because they had practiced and they did diagnostics very quickly. The next outbreak is, I'd say, equally likely to come out of a country in Africa where you don't have a very strong health system. So they won't try and cover it up. But unless you have a little bit of data gathering and a group to fly in, you may take

even longer to get the alarm bells ringing than we had this time. So germ will help the poor countries a lot, which is where a lot of the risk is. A lot of people have asked this question. I mean, through the pandemic, don't make it, don't be long. They were crazy takes. But some people asked what, in my opinion, was a valid question. They said, well, why is Bill Gates the one who's talking about this? I mean, if we want help with computers, we know we're going to call you, but why are you the person who's writing books about a pandemic

or talking about a pandemic? Is it because you're a billionaire or what gives you that right? Yeah, my full-time job is at the foundation now. And we work to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have a the to have to have to have to have to have the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tom..... tomeck. tom. tom.... tomorrow.... to. to. to. to. to. too. too. the the the the the the now. And we work on infectious diseases all the time. And pandemics, you have to have people who know about vaccines and diagnostics and therapeutics and communications. Well, I was lucky enough for the last two years as we put an extra $2 billion into trying to stop this pandemic,

that I was listening to them and understanding, okay, we should have done this, we should have done that. So th so there. So there. So there, so there. So there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there we should have done that So there's that there's amazing experts that I love working with There's no one who kind of could make it simple And so my goal like with my climate book was to elucidate it in a way that would be quite straightforward. I see so you taught So you talk to the experts and then you go like, you guys speak gibberish. I'm going to write it down in a way that people can understand. It makes sense. That's really the graphical user interface. That's a whole idea.

Get us away from it. Um, it really is. That's what it is. We are barely coming out of this pandemic. What are some of the small things, just tiny things things, things, things, things, things, things, things, things, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, and, and, the, and, the, the, and, the, the, the, the, they.i. they. they. too, they. too, too, they. they. they. they. they. the, the, the, the, the, the, the small things, just tiny things that we could put in place that would help us prevent or delay or eliminate altogether another situation that decimated the entire globe? Well, it's too bad that we don't have trusted people who are saying raise the vaccination level. I mean, this pandemic could still surprise us with another variant.

And so getting particularly elderly people to not only be vaccinated, but to be boosted, you know, that can't be said loudly enough. One thing I'm excited about is we will be able to have diagnostic machines to very rapidly test people. That, we really bungled that this time and once those first hundred days go by it's hard to make up for that. And so one of the cheapest things in here is getting those amazing breakthrough diagnostic machines out, not just in

the US but in the entire world. And that's a big thing that you've been an advocate of is creating a fairer system of getting technology and resources out to the world. I mean, you were one of the first people who complained about vaccines, not going to Africa and not getting it out to the people who needed it. How do we change perspectives on that? How do you convince European or Western countries that they need to spend some of their money getting some of this equipment to help test people in Africa. Yeah, the inequity on this has been quite severe,

whether it's within the country who suffered the most or globally, you know, who has last in line for the vaccines, the poor countries. If we can make it cheap enough, if we can have the capacity, put those factories in more places all over the world, them will have equity. I was a little surprised during the epidemic. People are like, oh, you know, saying,

hey, we didn't get the vaccines there. Well, we have health and equity with all sorts of diseases. This isn't, you know, this is day in and day out, we have an equity. But it's nice that this reminded them about infectious diseases. So so so so so so so. infectious diseases. So, you know, I'm talking to governments all the time about, hey, let's give more and help out and lift these countries up. There's a lot of distractions out there, budgets are super tight. I hope that cause keeps in people's minds and remains a priority, but fighting for those budgets will probably be tougher in this next year than ever before.

Well, it's a fascinating book. Thank you so much for joining us on the show again. Good to see. Good to see you. Thanks. Those books, How to Prevent the Next Pandemic is available. Now we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back after this. Thank you again.

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