The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Trevor Delivers His Verdict on Rudy Giuliani | Anand Giridharadas

Episode Date: October 2, 2019

Trevor considers the case for impeachment against Rudy Giuliani, Michael Kosta comes to President Trump's defense, and author Anand Giridharadas discusses "Winners Take All." Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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From Comedy Central's World News Headquarters in New York, this is the Daily Show everybody. Thank you so much for tuning in and thank you for coming out as always. So good to have me. Let's make a show on Trevor Noah. Our guest tonight is a journalist and an author who covers the billionaires who ruled the world. And in Girdadass is joining us everybody. It's going to be a ready conversation.

Also on tonight's show, college athletes are about to be rich. A Democratic candidate murdered a duck, and Donald Trump is getting impeached. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

Give it up for President Mike Pants. All right, let's catch up on today's headlines. Let's kick it off with one of the greatest viral videos in a long time. Some pretty incredible video from Chicago's O'Hare Airport. A catering truck packed with beverages spinning out of control on the tarmac. You can see a lot of airport workers are surrounding it. They don't know how to stop the thing. It went on for a while, but just as the truck gets dangerously close to hitting the plane, a hero comes forward to say.

Wow, all right. That's how you do it. Yeah, all right, just like that, the chaos was over. It turns out, a case of water, fell on the craziest thing I have ever seen at an airport. Well, I mean, the second craziest thing, the first is the price of a muffin at Obampan. I mean, $12. The thing better have Wi-Fi inside of it.

But that was insane. The thing is spinning around. And I'm know, just knowing airports, they probably didn't tell anybody on the plane what was going on. People are sitting there, the pilot was just like, we got a slight delay with the beverages. It'll take a few more moments. They probably even just picked those things up off the ground, put them back on the plane, you know? And someone on the plane was just sitting there, and they're just like, oh, what was that out there?

I don't know, I'll enjoy my complimentary Dietie, I've watched this video so many times. I love it. It's like one of my favorite videos. And every time I watch the video, I see something new that makes me laugh. Like there's always, like for instance, like watch the video again. For instance, you don't notice someone's already been attacked by the cart. You see that? You don't see that, right? And then the dude comes running in, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, he. the, he. the, he. th. th. th. the th. the, like, the th. the the the the the and then the cart strings around, it almost hits him not. Yeah, yeah, now it's personal. Now he's like, okay, I'm coming for this cart. Grabs the, look at it, grabs the red thing,

drives it in so confident. I don't even know how he knew this would work. And he's like, bam, and this is my favorite part here. He makes sure it's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the. thr. theee. thr. theeeeeeee. thee. thee. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. He's like, look at it. Make sure it's dead. That's a hero. That's a hero right there. That was amazing. He just took that cart out like the cart was Trump and the red thing was the impeachment inquiry. It was like, boom! Or, the red thing was Trump and the cart was the deep state. I don't want to alienate our pro-Trum viewer. Hey, Gary.

Seriously, I've never seen, I've never even seen that red thing at an airport before. Like, I don't know if you guys have. Like, maybe it's only there to smash out of control beverage cards. In the past 30 years, there's been one guy at the FAA who's like, we need one of th th th th th th th th th th th thin thin thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thinoday he's like, what did I tell you? Huh? All right, but let's move on to a major story from the world of sports. California's governor signing a first of the nation law that would allow college athletes to get paid to play.

Hoping to even the playing field, tonight California's governor says college athletes can get paid to play. The new law set to impact prospects who attend universities like USC, UCLA, Cal, and Stanford. The Fair Pay to Play Act signed by Gavin Newsom will allow college athletes in 2023 to earn compensation for the use of their name, image and likeness. Out of high school, star players could sign with agents and cash in on endorsements. Yes, it's official. College athletes in California can now get paid.

Yeah. And this is really great news because now they can afford to pay other kids to take their tests for them. This is really good. No, but seriously though, I support this completely, right? Because I don't think it's ever been fair that the NCAA makes so much money from these athletes but then doesn't let them make any money from their own work. Right? This would be like kids running a lemonade stand, but the parents take all the cash. The kid is just like, I made four dollars. No, I made four dollars. You're an amateur who does this for the love love the game. That's right. Now, the NCAA says that they're actually planning

to challenge this ruling in court. But to make things fair, I think they should have to use unpaid student lawyers to see how that works out for them. Just see how it goes. All right. And finally, in Democratic primary news, a lot of people haven't been paying attention to Amy Klobuchar in this race, but I think other politicians may want to because she is dangerous. And I mean, really dangerous. Amy Klobuchar making a bit of an awkward statement during an event in Detroit over the weekend.

I did one time try to play golf, but I misfired on the first try and the ball hit a duck in the head and it appeared to perish. God damn. I know most politicians have skeletons in their closet but I didn't think that'd be actual duck skeletons in someone's closet. I also love how she was telling this like a light-hearted story like, this one time I killed that dog. And then she realizes halfway through the audience is not on board with duck murder. And you can see she changed. She's like, this one time I hit a duck and smash this skull and, uh, yeah, and I wasn't happy about that and the duck is now at a farm upstate with your goldfish from middle school. I know people are surprised that she told the story as well. But the thing is, when you're on the campaign trail,

all you do is talk all day. So I mean, eventually, this is going to turn into a weird therapy session. This was bound to happen. Every candidate is going to end up revealing too much. You know what the saddest thing is? There was no good way to warn a duck that the ball is coming. Yeah, because you see it and you'll be like, duck!

And the duck's like, actually, my name is Henry. All right, that's it for the headlines. Let's move on. Top top story. President Trump's Ukraine scandal. Like a rash you get from a hot tub, it is growing bigger every day. It's also put a spotlight on Ukraine, because now we want to know everyone who visits the country and what they talk about, which is probably why this made the news. In perhaps a surprising move, a Hollywood A-lister meeting with the president of Ukraine, Tom Cruz visited the country to scout potential shooting locations for a new movie.

Ukraine's president knows a thing about stardom. He was a successful media producer and actor before he ventured into politics. Thank you, man. You good looking. You're good looking. He says that like he's met other actors and he's like, oh, oh, yeah. But you, no, good, good. This is insane, though.

Even Tom Cruise is in Ukraine? You realize that means this thing goes deep. Yeah? Because I think I know how this happened. Trump was probably like, as America's top spy, I'm going to send you on an impossible mission to get dirt on Joe Biden. I need you Tom. I need you. Tom Cruise was probably like, sir, I'm not actually a spy. He's like, all right, you're not a spy. Perfect.

But while Tom Cruise might be the biggest news in Ukraine, on this side of the scandal, there's a different man who's in the spotlight right now. The House impeachment inquiry is now focusing on President Trump's personal point man, Rudy Giuliani. The president's attorney, now facing a legal battle of his own tonight, as three House committees subpoena Rudy Giuliani, looking for documents about his interactions with Ukraine. Would you testify because I think J. Seculo is absolutely right? Do you, you don't have to do anything? Oh, I don't know.

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'll kind of like go through it. I'll get all my evidence together, I'll get my shorts. I don't know if they let he's allowed to bring recordings and like equipment and some people think he's being defiant. I get it. You know how long and boring those congressional hearings are? Like if I had to sit through one of those things I'd also want to bring my iPad. I'll be like, yeah, okay, I'll come. But I'm watching Game of Troons the whole game and Flea throwns the whole Game. th. th. th. th. th. th. thro. thro. thro. thro. thro. thro. thro. thro. thrass. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. throwns. thrown. thrown. thr-I's thoom. thr-I's thr-I's thr-I's is th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. throwneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeean. So Soeeeeeeean. Soeeee. Soe. Soe. Soe watching it all. But yes, Trump isn't the only person who's in hot water for this whole Ukrainian, Hunter Biden, Joe Biden scandal. It may also take down the person Trump hired to protect him, Rudy Giuliani. The question is, has Giuliani done enough to also be impeached?

Well, let's get to it in the Daily Show's courtroom drama and find out. Time to put your gab open now. This is the courtroom of Judge Mentor. All rise! Ha! I didn't say Simon says. Welcome to the impeachment trial of Rudy Giuliani, personal attorney to the president,trial of Rudy Giuliani, personal attorney to the president, and courageous rabies survivor.

Julianne is accused of a number of high crimes that have thrust this nation into turmoil. So let's begin the trial. First count, the president's lawyer is accused of being the ringleader of this entire circus. Let's see the evidence. The whistleblower singles out Rudy Giuliani as a central figure in the scandal the s the ss the ss the s the s the ringleader of this entire circus. Let's see the evidence. The whistleblower singles out Rudy Giuliani as a central figure in the scandal. The president's personal lawyer is mentioned 30 times in the complaint,

which cites meetings he had with at least seven Ukrainian officials. U.S. officials were deeply concerned by Giuliani's circumvention of national security decision-making and efforts to relay messages between the White House and Ukraine. Yes, it appears Rudy Giuliani was the anus of this entire operation. Everything passed through him and it stinks to high heaven. Order! For God's sake, he was mentioned 30 times in the whistleblower's report. That's 29 times too many! I mean, you know you're in trouble if you control F your name in a

whistleblower's report and the screen lights up like a motel bed under a black light. But that alone is not enough to impeach a lawyer. For impeachment to occur, I would need to see if he in fact has made things worse for his client by constantly saying far too much on TV. Roll the evidence. Giuliani has admitted to pressuring Ukraine to open an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter. Giuliani publicly announced he planned to travel to Ukraine to push for investigations that he told the New York Times, quote, will be very, very helpful to my client.

At the time, Giuliani said, quote, we're not meddling in an investigation. Then saying, quote, there's nothing illegal about it. Somebody could say it's improper. Did you to ask the Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden? No, actually I didn't. Never asked anything about Hunter Biden. You never asked anything about Joe Biden. The only thing I asked about Joe Biden is to get to the bottom of how it was that

Lutsenko, who was appointed, dismissed the case against Anta. So you did ask Ukraine to look into Joe Biden. Of course I did. You just said you didn't. Yes. It appears Giuliani was outsmarted by Chris Cuomo, which in and of itself is a crime. And even worse, this so-called mastermind confessed on national television. Never in my four-minute career

as a judge. Have I seen anything like this? The more Giuliani speaks, the more he implicates Donald Trump. He's like the conservative Takashi 6-9. That snitching ass bitch. So the defendant has made multiple confessions and honestly this thing is going a lot easier than I expected. I wish all the cases before me went like this. So let's move on to our third charge, which may be the most damning of all. Rudy Giuliani stands accused of being one crazy ass motherh-h-moth- Evidence, please. And the reason they want me to be silence is not because I'm unhinged,

it's because I've got facts. What's this guy Romney like? You know what I told him? He's our Al Gore. I told the president of the Ukraine that we're going to fight corruption. Shut up. Let me finish, Chris. Let me finish. I want want want the conversation the conversation the conversation the conversation the conversation the conversation the conversation the conversation the conversation the conversation the conversation. I want want want want want want want want want want want want want the conversation. I want want want want the conversation. I want want want want want want the conversation. I want want want want want want want the conversation. I want want want the conversation. I want the conversation. I want the conversation. I want the c. I want the c. I want the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. I want. thea. I want. I want. I want. I th. Lauderdin' let me finish. Let me finish. I want to look at the press for him. Because a lot of other stuff is out there.

Because he's a Democrat, a lot of criminals are not all that, I'm sorry. A lot of alleged criminals are not all that smart. And he said to that's how to catch him. You think I'm stupid. alleged extortion is the victim. He said I wasn't pressured. It doesn't matter if shift was a... All right. Rudy, we're out of time. Sorry to cut you off. You gotta get your voice back.

Order, order. Clearly this man is out of control. I mean, it says a lot when you are the most unhinged person on Fox News. That's like being the smelliest person at a burning man, very hard to pull off. And so, I think I've seen all I need to render my verdict. On the judges of interfering in foreign affairs, acting as the President's personal thug, and just being an overall hot mess in breach of the Hot Mess Act of 1834, this court finds you, Rudolph, William, Dracula, Giuliani.

Guilty! Your punishment will be 200 years of community service, where you will be frightening children at one of those spooky Halloween houses. Court is adjourned. we will be right back. Economics, Ingredient to Bread Ratio on sandwiches. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back to the gay show. The president is facing impeachment, and it's all because of this call with the president of Ukraine, which makes it even stranger that Trump is the one who released the transcript of that call, where we clearly see him asking Zelensky for the favor. But now, we're finding out that his people told him not to release that transcript,

because even they knew how bad it looked. There are a lot of White House aides who did not want this transcript to be released. Many argued that putting it out would be problematic for the president. It wouldn't be as good for him as he expected. You had a real internal debate. You had Secretary's minution in Pompeo arguing against it privately and also publicly. He believed that releasing the transcript would exonerate him would be exculpatory. The conversation, by the way, was absolutely perfect.

It was a beautiful, warm, nice conversation. You know, I can safely say I've never heard someone talk about a phone conversation that way. Absolutely perfect, beautiful and warm. Like, I actually feel bad for every other call Trump has to make from now on. It'll never live up to that stand. He'll be on the phone with like the leader of Spain. It'll just be like, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is be be be be the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi's theean, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, thi, thi, thi, now on. It'll never live up to that stand. He'll be on the phone with like the leader of Spain. He'll just be like, he'll be like, well, Donald,

I just want to say thank you for the time. I think we can all agree this was a great call. It's like, actually it was just okay. Because you should have heard my call with Ukraine. It was like the Ivankov calls. This call, this call on the other hand, is more like an Eric. Totally an Eric call. It's mine, but I'm not a big fan. So, for more on the decision to release the call, let's talk to a man who makes illicit phone calls all the time.

Michael Costa, everybody. Welcome, Michael. This call, Michael, seems to be the thing that could get Donald Trump impeached. Yeah, Trevor, Trump is in trouble, which I understand better than anyone. I was once impeached out of a Denny's at 3 a.m. So you were kicked out of a Denny's? Yes, but impeachment sounds classier. Okay. Michael, here's my question.

Clearly, Trump's AIDS didn't want this transcript to be released, right? So why did the president think this was such a perfect call? How did he not see that what he did was wrong? Well, it's simple, Trevor, because Trump didn't do anything wrong? Wait, what? Yeah. Trevor, to do wrong, you have to know what's right. In the same way that without darkness, can you really have light? Without the weak, is there might? Without a gym, could there be a Dwight?

Please don't, don't encourage him. Costa, everyone agrees. Please don't, don't encourage don't, don't encourage him. Costa, everyone, everyone agrees that the United States president asking a foreign leader to dig up dirt on his political rival is wrong. Okay, but Trump doesn't know right from wrong, so technically he can't do anything wrong. You can't blame a blind man for driving on the wrong side of the road, so you can't blame a morally blind man for committing crimes.

Yeah, well, I certainly wouldn't let a blind man drive. Wow, racist. But, but it doesn't matter, because America voted to let this morally blind man drive the presidency. And now we have no choice but to sit in the back seat and pray he doesn't crash into too many old ladies. Michael, Michael, no. It is totally different. Blindness isn't a character trait. It's physical. So is moral blindness. In fact, it's genetic to the whole Trump family, okay? Donn. to theaulut to the whole Trump family. Don't forget colluding with Russia was a crime. He walked away from that a free man, and then he locked himself in his car. So you're saying Trump shouldn't be punished because he doesn't know any better?

That is ridiculous. No, no, Trevor, it's inspiring. If ignorance is the ultimate legal defense, then we should all strive to be as ignorant as possible. That's why, for the past week, I've been unlearning how to read. That way, I can't get in trouble for not paying my bills, or ignoring divorce papers or disregarding restraining orders from Denny's. Jesus Costa, I feel like unlearning to read seems like a lot of work.

No way, it's as simple as AGV. Michael Costa, everyone, we'll be right back. You're going to start with you. Hey everybody, John Stewart here. I am here to tell you about my new podcast, the weekly show, it's going to be coming out every Thursday. So exciting you'll be saying to yourself, TGID. Thank God it's Thursday. We're going to be talking about all the things that hopefully obsess you in the same way that they obsess me. The election. Economics. Earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches.

And I know that I listed that fourth, but in importance it's probably second. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday? I mean, talk about innovative. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back to the daily show. My guest tonight is an editor at large at time and an author whose critically acclaimed book, Winners Take All, the elite charade of changing the world is now available in paperback. Please welcome, Annand Gerdadas. Welcome to the Daily Show.

Thank you. Congratulations on a book that has made you the enemy of billionaires all over the world. Right. You are a book that has made you the enemy of billionaires all over the world. You are a foolish man. Why would you write a book that basically accuses billionaires of being like fake good people as philanthropists? What does that even mean? There was no good reason to do it, except that it was true. You know, we live in this time, and I was thinking about it when you're talking about the president,

because he's kind of an example of this. He had a fake foundation. They're not all fake. But we live in this time in which rich people, you can't walk down the street in Manhattan or other is going to change the world. Elon Musk is going to try to change the world. Jeff Bezos changing the world. They're all changing the world. More money being given away than has ever been given away in the history of the world. Young people.

All elite campuses, we want to go to Africa, Bono is involved, the red iPhone case you get for free. And the question is, why is it that this era of extraordinary elite generosity, which is real, happens to coincide with an age of extraordinary elite hoarding? The very same class of billionaires and plutocrats who do so much to give and constantly talk about how much they give, have a monopoly on the future in this country. The 1% in this country takes 49% of new income. Half the new income.

And imagine if all the new income in this studio audience went to one person, right, half of it. Imagine if another true statistic, the 0.1%, owns more wealth in the bottom of people in the bottom, 80% of people in this country. Right. The bottom half of people in this country on average have not gotten a raise, as many of you may know, in 40 years. Right. And so the question then becomes, what's the relationship between all this nice stuff elites do and this elite predation?

And the relationship that I discovered when I reported this book was that it's this nice, it's these nice deeds, the sprinkling of nice deeds that help us uphold a system in which rich people can monopolize the future, hoard progress, and kill the American dream and not satisfy with that they're trying to kill the planet now too. Okay but let's let's go back on this. So you're saying the people hoard the money, all try and the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. thrown, th. thrown, th. thrown, thr-in, thr-in, thr-in, their, thr-in, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, throwne, their, their, their, their, their, their, their people, their people, their people, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thr-in, thr-in, thr-in, their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, theries to keep the money that they make. I mean, I think that is like a logical thing that human beings do. You get the money, you keep the money. No one gets the money from like work and then is like, eh. You get what I'm saying? So when you're saying that they're hoarding the money, people would go like, yes,

but that, Americ and I'm tha, doing. I think another simpler way to say what you're saying, which I agree with, is that plute's gonna plute. I even have the shirt. Okay. Who's gonna plute? Yes, which means? They're gonna fight for their interests. Okay. The plutocrats are gonna do what's good for plutocrats. You're right. The thing is, this is not futile England. So we actually have systems that are designed to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep thauuuuuu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thus, thus, thus, their, their, their, their, their, their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thu-s, thu-s, thuuuu-s, thuuuuuuuuu-s' thuuu-s' their their their their their their, to keep them in check, because you're right. People are going to fight for their own interests. And when you have people who have such vast fortunes that they have the power as monopolies to decide which way our elections go, which is the power Mark Zuckerberg frankly has, when you have someone who has the power to dictate where the workers have to pee in a bottle to be able to survive and make productivity at their their their their their their their..... And their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to, thi, to, to, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi.e, thi. And, thi.e, toooomoomorrow, toea, tooiiaugh, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, thiii.a, thi.a, and, to pee in a bottle to be able to, you know, survive and make productivity at their company. When you have people with so much power over consumers, you can't just say the hoarding impulse

is going to be the hoarding impulse. You have to tax people properly. Taxes, taxes, taxes. You have to regulate people properly. You have to have a minimum wage that th people who have no leverage against these billionaires to have the shared leverage that we all have which is through a government negotiating for us. People don't understand, people denigrate the government. Over the last 40 years we've lived in this country under an ideology that says government is bad, wealth creation is good, you know what the government is,

the government is like a lawyer who represents all of us, right? And rich people are not all good or all bad the way you or me or anybody else is all good or all bad. But when rich people start to make money by underpaying people systemically, make money by frankly avoiding taxation in any way they can, hiding money, make money by employing people insecurely, you're a contractor, you work at Uber, but you don't really work at Uber, you do all of that. It's time for the advocate for all of us, the government, to actually fight on our behalf.

But now here's the thing, there are many billionaires, you say the elite charade of changing the world. But there are many billionaires who have come out publicly and said, hey, we should be paying more tax as billionaires. We want to be taxed higher. You know, like Warren Buffett has come out many times saying, guys, you know, my personal assistant pays a higher tax rate than I do, which is not fair. So if the billionaires are saying the right thing. So if the billionaires are saying the right thing. Now what is interesting, some of the people you mentioned, if you double click on some of what they actually do in their life, what they do is they say, we should pay higher income

tax. You know, they call their accountant immediately when they're off the CNBC air, and they say, hey, Bob, just make sure I have only wealth accumulation this year, thapapapapapapapapapapapapapapap.... their, their, their, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they're, they're, they're, they're they're they're, they're they're they're, they're they're, they're, they're, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're they're, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they's, they's, they's, they's... they's, they's, they're they're they're they're they're their, their. th. th. th. thi. thi. tho. th thi. thoo. th th thi. thi. they're they're they're they're they're no income increase. Because you can do that when you're rich. You can just shuffle things around. So, you know, if you look at Warren Buffett and others, they say higher income taxes, but they don't have a lot of income, but because they, you know, put it over there in the investment plan. Like your shares give you the election season, and we're starting to have a bunch of candidates who in various ways would at least gesture to what I'm talking about, right?

Inequality is bad, we've got to rebuild the middle class. But part of why I wrote the book, and part of why I hope it's relevant as we had in the election, is a lot of the book as a set of infrared lenses to actually understand who's peddling real change and who's peddling fake change. Because you look at people who say, gosh, we've got to rebuild the middle class, but who also say, as Joe Biden did,

you know, nothing's going to fundamentally change for the billionaires in this country. I just have to say, that is an incoherent, and I'm coherent, and I that is a coherent, incoherent, as is the Biden way, but is an incoherent, intellectually incoherent theory. Because in this moment, I'm not saying all moments, but in this moment, the people up above are up above because they are stepping on people down below. And the people down below are down below because they are being

stepped on. And you cannot say that I want to help the people down below in a way that will change nothing for the people standing on their necks. The same way you couldn't address feudal England, you couldn't address the Downton Abbey world without dealing with why the Granthams are the only people who own that damn castle, so big, right? You couldn't deal with slavery without making things worse for the white plantation owners. There's no, you can't frankly, frankly, look at the Me Too world. You can't make things better for women in this world without frankly reducing the power of men To have impunity in so many of the spaces you and I and everybody else operated

Right. Real change involves the loss of power and at the heart of this book is the idea that there has been an ideology for the last 40 years That is the ideology of win-win. We can empower the least among us we can help people in Africa. We can help the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toe, toe. toe. toe. toe. the toea. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the ideology of win-win. We can empower the least among us, we can help people in Africa, we can help people in Apolecia, and no one has to suffer. The rich people don't have to pay any more taxes. They don't have to be regulated anymore. And it is a lie. The only change worth doing in a moment like this with such inequity

is change that will necessarily make the plutocrats less powerful. The answer to a winners take all world is almost logically a world in which the winners take less. And as you said, they're not going to sign up for that. It's us acting together, joining things, getting involved, getting involved in democracy that are going to take change back from the charade. The powerful statements, did I convince you yet? That is a powerful, powerful statement, and I think you're right, but I will keep my billionaire friends.

Thank you so much for being in the show. Winners take all. Truly, a fascinating book that exposes the world we live in today. It's available now. On End Kirdarhus everybody. The Daily Show with Trevor Noah, Ears Edition. Watch the Daily Show weeknights at 11th, 10 Central on Comedy Central and the Comedy Central app. Watch full episodes and videos at the Daily Show. Follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, and subscribe to the daily show on YouTube for exclusive content and more.

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