The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Tristan Harris - Facebook's Danger to Society

Episode Date: October 11, 2021

Tristan Harris, cofounder and president of the Center for Humane Technology, discusses a whistleblower's revelations about the inherent toxicity of Facebook's business model. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is Tristan Harris of the Center for Humane Technology. He's here to talk about Facebook and whether the social media giant can be both responsible and profitable. Tristan, welcome to the show. Pleasure to be here with you. Your face is one that I both enjoy seeing but at the same time it brings me a lot of sort of PTSD because you said a lot of things in the documentary where I think a lot of people would probably you from the social dilemma where you just laid out how like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like the the the the the the the the the the to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be. to to to to to to to to to to to to. to to. to to to. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be.. to be. to be. to be.. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to to to to the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the social dilemma. Where you just laid out how like social media is fundamentally designed to turn my brain into a certain type of mush and then just leave me feeling shitty about myself but constantly needing to

re-engage with the product. Yeah. Yesterday everything was down or most of it was down, you know Facebook was down, Instagram was down, WhatsApp. Were you popping champagne when that was happening as somebody who has been like really hitting on the idea that everything should be reigned in? Well I think it certainly gave people a taste of what it's like to just not have this thing in our lives and I think it's so interesting that it happened the day after this Francis Hougain the whistleblower from Facebook, came forward, because she's basically just, I mean, this is the largest release, I think, that we're going to see in Facebook's history because after this, there's probably never going to be research at tech companies that's done on identifying the harms of their products.

Why do you say that? Well, because, so Francis, the whistleblower, she basically, I think, took photos of basically all of this research, tens of thousands of documents. And once that happened, it's not just that the harms in the social dilemma are true, it's that Facebook knew that they are harming teenage mental health. They know that they drive anorexia and body eating disorders and children. They know that it drives political parties in Europe, India, Poland, Taiwan, Spain to go more negative and divisive so that the key of the whistleblowers insights is that they know that it's sort of harming society but they don't change because they still prioritize profits over safety. So let's let's try to break this whole thing down. Yeah. You know I I agree with almost everything that you say you know I sit there I see th I th I th I th I th I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi the thi the the the the the the their their their their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their their. th. thi thi. thi. thi. te. te. te. te. te. te. tho. the. the. their their their their their their the let's try to break this whole thing down. Yeah. You know, I agree with almost everything that you say. You know, I sit there, I see it in my own life, I see it with my friends, I see it in my society.

You know, I see what these apps do to us. I always ask myself the question, though, know, so I think of it like as humans, you know, back in the day I had to like get to you to give you my opinion, which would, I think, generally lessen the amount of conflict between people because you were in that village, I was in that village. It took a while before our villages had to meet head on.

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calculates, okay, what would most likely get you not just to look at it or click or share, but to comment on it. Facebook recently, in these revelations, it found that they were sortingative comment threads. So when you have an AI pointed at finding the next fault line in society, like perfectly with hyper-microtargeted personalized precision, like the thing that will make you hate your fellow countrymen and women, and then you run society through that for 10 years, like it's no surprise that whether it's vaccines or mass or anything that we would be this divided. And the key is that the more it polarizes it polar it polar it polar it polar it polar it forces it forces it forces the more it forces the more it forces the more it forces the more it forces the more it forces the more it forces the more it forces the more the the the the the thusususususususususususususususususususususususususususus the the the their to to to to to to to to to to And the key is that the more it polarizes citizens, the more it forces politicians to actually cater to a more extreme base that never resolves.

We don't ever get synthesis, which means democracy. Which means democracy, that's like you just throw a wrench, you know, a wrench into the gears of democracy. And when people don't it's all fallen apart, they then look to the most extreme leaders to try get them out of it because they feel like the system itself is broken. Yeah, well, I mean, if the system's not delivering results to you, like there's this pothole, or there's inequality,

or there's climate change or social justice That's the thing. This is a bipartisan issue because it takes whatever you feel and then it shows you a more extreme version of why you should be angry about that thing. And then again that makes you never have, you'll never elect people who have some kind of synthesis of what should be done. The key evidence in the Facebook revelations was that in political parties said to Facebook we know you changed your ranking system. Right. And Facebook's like like like, the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi's thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thoes thoes thoes thoes thoes thoes tho, thoes tho, tho, tho, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi is thi is thi, thi, thi, thi, thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi. thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thii. thi. thi. th Facebook, we know you changed your ranking system. And Facebook's like, oh, come on. Like, people had this conspiracy theory all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, you think we changed it. Tell us what you think happened. And the political party said, no, we know you changed it. Because we used to be able to publish policy papers, And then they said when you change the algorithm, we no longer got traffic for those papers. We noticed we only got traffic when we said negative things about our opponents. Interesting. And we don't want to do that, but we don't have any other choice. And what that shows you is in the political marketplace of ideas.

We don't have an invisible hand where it's like people are just choosing the conditions that politicians have to cater to. It's so interesting that you say this because I had a conversation with a friend and then I had another conversation with someone who I just know who's conservative right and what was interesting was the friend of mine was going like is like oh the hey you know I was I was disappointed that when you when you had this thing on your show you said this but th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. th. th. th. I was. th. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. the hey you know I was I was disappointed that when you when you had this thing on your show you said this but then you didn't present like a like a nuanced view on the whole thing and I was like what are you talking about I said exactly that and then he was like no you didn't say that I

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Okay, but now, let's say if Mark Zuckerberg was right here. First, I would fight him because as you said, he's spoiling it, spoiling my life. But secondly, he would argue, he would say, look, I'm not doing that. I'm just trying to get engagement. I'm just trying to, I'm trying to foster the positive as well. What would your argument against that be? So they want to claim that they're just a

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And it basically just breaks democracy into chaos. Or it seems like there's this other model, China, and China basically controls its internet. It almost seems like J Jinpinginping saw the social dilemma because over the last two weeks, Yeah, he's been pretty intense. He has, he has actually, they've changed the Chinese regulations so that teenagers, if you're under the age of 14, you use Tick Tock, that you only get to use it for,

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And I think one of the last things to say is that if we don't do this, it's kind of a national security threat. We used to say if Russia or China we're going to blow up the Congress, we have to have continuity of government. We have to make sure the functioning of Congress. It's almost like an EMP attack on culture and our ability to make functional democracy. So I think if we see this as a national security threat,

if we see this as urgent for our children, we can make a bigger change than what's been proposed so far. Well, as you said, I hope that the whistleblower has started a tidal wave that can hopefully you know get things moving and I hope you'll keep talking we'll keep talking about it as well because I do not want to be part of a world where people want to punch me for not the full context of what I said. Punch me because I said something but know what I said in full. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for joining me on the show much. I appreciate you so much. If you want to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to hear to to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the try. try. try. try. try. try. try. to. try. to. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. th. the world We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be right back after this. When 60 Minutes premiered in September 1968, there was nothing like it.

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