The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Trump Clashes with Emmanuel Macron at the NATO Summit | Ta-Nehisi Coates

Episode Date: December 4, 2019

An ad for the Peloton exercise bike sparks outrage, President Trump spars with France's Emmanuel Macron at the NATO summit, and Ta-Nehisi Coates discusses "The Water Dancer." Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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From Comedy Central's World News headquarters in New York, this is the Daily Show, everybody. Thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you for coming out. Wow, so much, thank you so much for coming out. Let's do this thing, people. I'm Trevor Noah. Our guest tonight has been hailed as one of the greatest authors of our generation.

Tanahasi Coates is going to be joining us everybody. We're going to be chatting about his first novel called The Water Dancer. Also on tonight's show, one of the biggest Democrats drops out of the race, how to eat meat without eating meat, and Donald Trump has invaded the UK. So let's catch up on today's headlines. Let's kick it off with Facebook. The world's largest social media company and website that reminds you it's the birthday of someone you met once.

Recently, it came out that Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Facebook and Boring Terminator, had a secret meeting with President Trump at the White House. And now for the first time, Zuckerberg is being asked what that meeting was about. You don't want to take down political ads that people know are false. That they contain false information. What I believe is that in a democracy, it's really important that people can see what politicians are saying so they can make their own judgments. You had dinner with the president of the White House.

What was the nature of the meeting, can you say? Sure, I mean, we talked about a number of things that were on his mind and some of the topics that you'd read about in the news around our work. Did you try to lobby you in any way? No. I mean, I don't think that's that that that that that that that that thia thia thin thin, I don't thin, I don't thin, I don't thin, I don't thin, I don't thin, I don't thin, I don't thin, I mean I don't think that that's... I think some of the stuff that people talk about or think gets discussed and these discussions are not really how... Okay. How that works. I also want to respect that it was a private dinner, Brennan's private discussion.

Oh, so now Mark Zuckerberg was Libby's privacy, huh? Now you're like, oh no, privacy is a thing. I think everyone should know what politicians are saying. Oh, what did the politicians say to you? I don't think anyone should know what the politicians are saying, get the zuck out of here, man. Also, I don't know what's going on with Zuckerberg, but he sounds less human every time he speaks. Yeah, he's like, in a democracy, we must share our voices, and weather today is to be partly cloudy, 64 degrees. It almost sounds like Siri is his voice coach.

You know, like, she's trying, like, just speak normally, like this. Okay, this is me talking normally. It's like, that was terrible. You sound like that Roomba I dated. And also, let's be real. There's no way Trump didn't lobby Zuckerberg at the secret meeting. Because if Trump didn't the president the president the president trauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu tru, tru, tru, tru, tru, tru, tru, tru, tru, tru, tru, tru, tr-a, tr-a, tr-in, like th. tr-i, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like t, like t, like t, like t, like t, like t, like th, like th, like, just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just th. th. t. t. t. tru, tru, tru-a, tru-s, tru-s, thi. true, thi. thi. thi. true. thi. true. true. trys, trys, tryi. tryi. try. t president have him come to the White House? What? Did Trump need help untagging himself in Eric's photos? Why was he there? Huh? Because if Trump didn't want anything, then you have to believe that he just wanted to hang out with Mark Zuckerberg? Really? Because these two have

nothing in common? Like, what would that conversation even be like? I like models? Do you like models? I genuinely love data models and algorithmic sets that prove the way that we... No, I mean supermodel. This guy sucks. Anyway, let's move on. Because while Facebook is coming under fire for its shady political ads, there's a non-political ad that's taken social media by storm. As the Christmas season spins into high gear, a new ad from Palaton is going viral for all the wrong reasons, facing backlash after sending shoppers into a vicious cycle. A palaton? Give it up for our first time.

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Thank you. Criticism and mockery of the ad reaching a fever pitch Monday on social media. One man tweeting nothing says maybe you should lose a few pounds like gifting your already rail thin life partner a palatine. Oh, man. Okay, look, I can see why some people are hating on this ad, honestly. I mean, it looks like the dude bought his skinny wife exercise equipment as a Christmas presents, which is shitty. Although, let's be honest, it would have been worse if Santa had brought her that bike,

you know, if he was just like, I think you need this more than I do, ho-ho-ho! And I know some people are outraged at the husband for giving her this kind of gift, although if you ask me, I think your reaction to this ad has a lot to do with how you feel about exercise. Right? Because clearly she wanted the bike. It's not like she was like, what is that? that? thi thiiii. th thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the husband the husband the husband the husband the husband the husband the husband the husband the husband thi. the husband the husband thi. the husband thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. thto lose weight, then the ad can seem insensitive. But on the other hand, if you think exercise is something people do for fun, then the ad is fine. You know, I mean people exercise for different reasons, for stress relief, fitness, or if you're like me, for revenge. Yeah! Yeah! Once I get strong enough to punch through a brick, I'll get my revenge on that brick that killed my uncle..! All right, and finally, there are now just 335 days until the 2020 presidential election.

Yeah, which is almost enough time to watch the Irishman. And the Democrats are still figuring out their nominee. But after today, there'll be one less name to consider. Breaking News and our 2020 lead. After a promising start with huge crowds and impressive fundraising numbers, California Democratic Senator Kamala Harris this afternoon announced she is dropping out of the race for president. It is with deep regret, but also with deep gratitude that I am suspending our campaign

today. But I want to be clear with you. I am still very much in this fight. Wow. Camela Harris has dropped out of the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. taunnenec, t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. tee. te. te. te. to. the the the the the the the the the the the te. the the te. te. te. t I am still very much in this fight. Wow. Kamala Harris has dropped out of the 2020 race. And I don't think anybody saw this coming. Because when this race started, she was one of the favorites. This has been a twist.

It's like how in season seven of Game of Thrones, we all thought Dinarius would become queen. But then in season 8, we realized it was a shit TV show that none of us should have watched, just wasted our time, destroyed our lives. Now, what's been really interesting for me is to see the conversations that have been sparked by Kamala dropping out. Like, some people say it proves that even in the Democratic Party, black women don't have the support that they deserve.

All the others say, there wasn't enough black-old magic to erase Kamala's record as a prosecutor. In a way, I think it's a little bit of both. All I know is, Corey Booker, I'm going to say a phrase you've probably never heard before in your life. You are now the blackest person in the room. Don't let us down, Corey. Don't let us down. You know, another reason this came as a shock is because Kamala had comfortably caught qualified for the next debate. And she chose to drop out. She was in the next debate.

Meanwhile, people like Marion Williamson are still in the race. It doesn't make any sense thaaa. tha. thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. thoom. thoom. tho. tho. tho. to to to to to to to to too. too. too. too. too. too. Don't, toe. Don't, toe. Don't, toe. Don't, toe. Don't, toe. Don't, toe. toe. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. the. the. the. thooooooooooo. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. toson are still in the race. It doesn't make any sense. Like, you realize she hasn't dropped out. She's not in the debates, but she's still in there. You know what I think Marian Williamson's plan is? Is it that one fighter at Resselmania who hides under the ring while everyone else gets knocked out? And at the end, she's just going to just be like, just, just, just, just, just, just, the their, their, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, to be like, to be like, to be like, to be like, to be like, thin, thin, thin, thin, All right, that's it for the headlines. Let's move on to our top story. The impeachment of Donald Trump is getting closer.

Today, the Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee released a 300-page report outlining the conclusions of their impeachment inquiry. And while all of this was going on in D.C., Trump hopped on Air Force One and flew to the UK. And obviously I'm not saying Trump is fleeing the country, but it was weird that he only bought a one-way ticket. It was also weird that he bought a ticket for his own plane. Yeah, the pilot was like, Mr. President, you don't need a ticket tick-a tick- One. He's like, oh yeah, then why does it say, one-way ticket on this KFC napkin? You explain that to me.

Now, obviously I'm joking, man. The real reason Trump was headed to the UK was for a major NATO summit between America and its European allies. And in classic Trump-fied-I. th. th. th. taped-up-up-up-up-up-up-up-in-in-in-in-in-in-i-in-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-s, thi-s. thi-s. thi-s. thi-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-n. thi-n. thi. thi-n. thi. thi-n. thi-n. thi-n. thi-n. thi-n. thi-n. thi-n. thi-n. to-n. thi-s, to-s, to-s. to-s. to-s. to-s. to-si-si-si-si-si-si-si-si-si-siiiiiiiiii-sii-si-s. toda a bang. President Trump kicked off his meetings here in London with a freewheeling, impromptu press conference and some harsh words for French President Emmanuel Macron. Asked about recent comments by French President Macron that NATO is becoming brain dead, he hit back hard. Very, very nasty statements. You just can't go around making statements like that about NATO. It's very disrespectful. In the past, President Trump has had his own harsh words towards, to to to to to towar pr towar, towar, towar, towar, towar, th, th, th, th, thi thi, thi, thi, their pre, their pre, their free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the free wi, the free wi wi wi wi wi wi wi wi we, free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tha, tha-preeeeeeau. thai. thai. thai. thai. thai. thaea, thau. thaui. thr-wi. thr-a, free, free, free making statements like that about NATO. It's very disrespectful. In the past, President Trump has had his own harsh words towards NATO. NATO is obsolete, it's old, fat, it's sloppy. NATO is old, fat, and sloppy?

Nato is old, fat and sloppy? Why is it that every insult Trump uses against others? Always seems to rarely be about himself? Why is it that every insult Trump uses against others? Always seems to rarely be about himself. No, I don't know if you've noticed it. Every time he muck other people, it's like it's a pain that's inside of him that he's trying to project onto others. Like, where did he get, it's almost like he's taking notes during his fights with Melania, like everything he says, he's like, fat and sloppy, that's good, I'm gonna use that. And how am I in bed? Maybe there's something in there.

Now, just so we're all on the same page. What basically happened here is the French president said that NATO was becoming brain, partly because Trump, the proud owner of a dying brain, thought Macron was insulting him personally. But that's not the only reason there's been animosity between France and the US right now. Because as the summit goes on, there's also a trade war heating up between the two countries. The Trump administration is now threatening tariffs of up to 100% on 2.4 billion dollars worth of French imports, including wine, cheese, and handbags.

The new tariffs are retaliation against new French taxes targeting U.S. tech companies like Apple and Google. I'm not necessarily in love with those companies. But there are companies. They're American companies. I want to tax those companies. They're not going to be taxed by France. I'm not going to let people take advantage of American companies

because if anyone's going to take advantage of the American companies, it's going to be us. It's not going to be France. Yo. No, I'm sorry. Donald Trump is rock and roll, man. How dare you take advances of American companies? That's what I was gonna do. This man is one of a kind. He's like the world's worst superhero, you know?

He'll like stop a mugger who's robbing an old lady, but only so he can fly off with her purse. It's mine! So yes, in response to France announcing taxes on American tech companies, Trump is now threatening to tax all the most cliched French goods like wine, cheese, and handbags. Yeah, he was probably also going to tax French fries and mistresses, but that hit too close to whole. Now, although Trump plans to punish France by taking as much from them as possible. earlier today, when he actually sat down with President Macron, he did offer to give France something in

return. We have a tremendous amount of captured fighters, ISIS fighters over in Syria, and they're all under lock and key, but many are from France, many are from Germany, many are from UK. They're mostly from Europe. I have not spoken to the president about that. Would you like some nice ISIS fighters? Yeah, I can give them to... You can take everyone you want. Let's be serious. The very large number of fighters you have on the ground are as fighters coming from Syria, from Iraq and the regime. It is true that you have on the ground are fighters coming from Syria, from Iraq, and the region. It is true that you have foreign fighters coming from Europe, but this is a tiny minority

of the overall problem we have in the region. This is why he's a great politician, because that was one of the greatest non-answers I've ever heard, and that's okay. God damn! That whole meeting got, as the French say, very fucking uncomfortable. Civil play. I mean, just look at Macron. You can see from his body language, he's trying to hold himself back.

But deep down he's thinking, I swear to God, this buffoon is going to make me cut a bitch. I swear to God. I swear to God. Oh my God, I'm to God this buffoon is gonna make me cut a bitch. I swear to God. I swear to God. Oh my God, I'm the truth. I'm the true. And what a turn this relationship is taken. I mean just last year, Trump and Macron were giving each other friendship trees. Remember that? And now Trump is offering to send him ISIS. It's pretty dark that Trump would offer to send ISIS fighters to Macron as a gift. But I guess on the other hand, we have found the one gift that's worse than a Peloton. It's maillusseek. We'll be right back. Finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

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earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. And I know that I listed that fourth, but in importance, it's probably second. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday? I mean, talk about innovative. Listen to the Gail Show. My guest tonight is a best-selling author and national book award winner whose debut novel is called The Water Danaheater.

Please welcome Tenahasi Coats. Welcome back to the show. This is the last thing I'm doing. This is your last press for the book, like ever. Yes. This is a good day. I don't want to talk about ever again. You have been on a whirlwind with this book though, because I mean like, you're ending it here. You, you. I don't want to talk about ever again. You have been on a whirlwind with this book though because I mean like you're ending it here, but I mean it kicked off in a place few authors dream of their book ever kicking off and that was with Oprah Winfrey. Yeah.

I remember Oprah like, Oprah made a video, oh, what's the book? And she was like, Tenahasi Coats, the water dancer. And I mean, it's just blown up. Like from, how did that even come about, you and Oprah and the book? How did that come about? Well, as I've said now several times, not that I mind saying it here again. No, tell us how you hate to be here to the housey. Tell all these people how you hate them for me. Very happy to be here. So I worked on this for a long time.

So I worked on it for, actually it took about 10 years. From, you know, we both had the same editor. And when I finished my first book, Chris Jackson, he said you should touched or moved by what you're writing. Because it was never like, oh, this clearly is a book, you know, that Oprah Winfrey would be very interested in. And then, I don't even know how you do that.

You know what I mean? But can I tell you, that would be the most amount of hubris to have as a natural, natural Oprah put, you know. But no, and then I got a call, man. I was actually coming back from vacation with my wife, and I got a text message, and the text message said from Chris, you have to be available at 10.30, a very important call. And it was Oprah Winfrey. And since then, it really has been a beautiful journey for not just the book but yourself, because a lot of people know you as a writer who critiques and analyzes America. It's history and its presence and how the history has affected the presence and how people

don't want to deal with that. But the novel is a completely different world for you. I mean, obviously you've written comics, but this is fiction that is in a very real place. You write about the character in the book who lives in a world, and this is what really intreats me about the book is, you don't refer to the people in the book as slaves. This is when it's taking place, you know? In and around slavery in America. But you're very selective about the words you use, why don't you call the people slaves and why don't do they are slaves and as a slave and you don't do that? Why?

Well, like for African Americans particularly, there is, and one day we'll have to talk about whether it's the same way with apartheid, but there is a popular notion in the mindset of what I now call enslavement was, you know, and so there's this idea of, you know, rape, chains, whips, you know, roots, you know, your name is totally. That's what people, and so what you have to do is like you have to make it your own and you have to create a kind of image almost or a world. Like it's slavery but it's your their slavery if that makes any sense, it's your rendition of it your vision of it. I wanted something that did not exist. And so a strong part of that, man, is coming up with new ways to describe it. And so then get new ways to describe it,

you need new words, you know? Interesting. Why do you choose to place it in this time? I mean, you know, we live in a world where always talk about slavery, but you chose to tell an extremely unique story in a very familiar world. Yeah, well, there's the big reason, the small reason is the world that I was,

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Is that part of it or was it just you trying to create something completely different? No, honestly, it was the other way around. I mean, to my great benefit that, like, I had 10 years to get it, you know what I mean, to basically learn to write a novel. You know, it's almost one of the say I was working on, I was like 10 years, to learn to write a novel, and this is the result of it. And so I actually started this. I mean, this book is older, in that stuff. So I had all of that before I came to this. You know, I'm from Baltimore, Maryland. Harry Tubman was like a superhero.

She's from Maryland. You know, the way she was described, the thing she did. And so it didn't feel like a leap to put that aspect in the book. It felt naturally. Right. Just to have like the way you've spoken about before, where you say it's like she was teleporting people in a way. Like, one minute they were here, the next thing, they were gone, out of slavery into a different world.

You've also done something really interesting here that I feel was purposeful, and that is you have centered the women in the story, and a theat amazing writer, but I don't see you telling many of the stories in and around, not just women, but black women. For the black man, you speak strong, black women seem to be left out. In this book, though, you have a lead character who has powers,

who's fighting for freedom, who's fighting an injustice. But the women around him seem to be part of the reason why the reason why to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be responsibility is as a writer is to balance two impulses. Like I said, this book is older, so all of the characters in this book are actually older than, you know, like, whatever. I mean, it was nonfiction, but just put the conception of between the world and me. You have to on the one hand, like legitimately hear your critics and actually listen and then at the same time like be strong in what you know what I mean like following your vision you know I mean because you can never just you know write for a crowd but the crowd is not wrong do you understand I'm saying like you got to like you got to find some sort of

way to be yourself and be the writer that you need to be without demonizing people that may not see you know things the way you you you see it right right right right you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to the the the the the to to to to to to to to to the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th I th I thi thi thi thi thi thi try try. try. try. try. thi. to thi. thi. thi. thi. the th see, you know, things the way you see it. Right, right, right, right. You know? Do you think this book might make it easier for some people to delve into the conversations in and around slavery because it exists in a fantastical world? You know, sometimes people can't deal with nonfiction because they're like, oh, this, they're like, oh, this, whereas when it's, you know, when it's in a fantastical world, there's this element of like, oh, that story was great and that hero is, do you think there's a part of that that you hope would achieve? I do, I mean, I think, like you take something like the wire, right?

The politics of Davis-Simont are quite clear, he's, who do not share his politics, who love the wire. You know what I mean? I don't know what effect that actually has on actual politics, you know what I mean? So I don't know. You know, probably people who could probably read this book, they probably would not agree with me on reparations and all sorts of other things. But you know, when things are in the form of a story, people just, they just go and rest. No, because I know how strenuous a book to it can be. I got a whole thing and waiting for me.

Yeah, man. I do want to know this. You know, yes, you wrote the book. You still ponder. You're still out there in the zeitgeist. One of the articles you wrote has drawn a lot of attention, obviously criticism, criticism, the criticism, backlash, and cancedu-a, the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, I's, and, and their, and their, and their, and, and their, and their, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, I I I I I I I I I I................... the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the th th toe. the the the the the the the the th th tooooooooomorrow, I'm the the th th th th th th th above. And you wrote about Colin Kappenig. Fascinating article about the cancellation of Colin Kappenik and cancel culture as a whole. One of the most beautiful sections, and I'll paraphrase you,

forgive me, is where you talk about how people like to make it seem like cancel culture is a tool that is only being used today by liberal students and you know the snowflake left, et cetera. and the snowflake left, etc. But you say cancel culture has for long been wielded by those who control the levers of power. I mean, one of the earliest acts in, you know, proto-American history is like the killing of women up at Salem because they looked at somebody wrong or some, you know, some other, you know,

the Salem witch trials. I mean, and this goes through all of our history, you know, the gag rule during the period of enslavement, you know, the blacklist, reconstruction, you know, up to this very day, you know, where Trump, you know, routinely writes people off, you know, for all sorts of, you know, minor legal reasons, and yet when we see, you know, some kids on some college student, you know, whatever, get mad about something like suddenly that, that's history's greatest enemy. Right, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, you know, you know, th. And, you know, whatever, get mad about something. Like suddenly that's history's greatest enemy. Right, you know? Now they've gone too far. Right, right, right.

I mean, in the case of Colin Cabinning, I mean, listen, you had a president of the United States who used basically the authority, you know, and the majesty, the state, you know, and you know, the majesty of the state to threaten to to to the, th guy out of earning a living that he had been training for since he was a kid. I mean, what more effective and devastating actor cancellation can you come with? That don't match anything that some kids in a cafeteria somewhere, you know, or on a quad who don't like Milo have done. And yet we find ourselves, you know, focusing on that. And I, you know, as I argue in the piece, I think that has a lot lot tho tho tho tho that has a lot tho that has a lot that has a lot that's a lot tho that's a lot, you that's a lot, you that's a lot, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you're, you're, you know, you know, you know, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're, you're, you're, you're, you know, you know, you know, to, to, to, to, to, to to to know, to know, to know, to know, to know, to know, to know, to, to, to, to, you know, you know, you know, you I argue in the piece, I think that has a lot more to do with, who is doing the canceling than it does with, you know, what we think about cancelling. Oh, that's interesting.

He will get canceled all the time. And some people should be canceled, by the way, you know? But who is can't affect how we see the canceling. That's it. My friend, thank you so much for coming back onto the show. Thank you, Chuck. I hope you rest. I hope you chill. I hope nobody asks you about this book ever again. I want to hear about it. Ever again. Buy the book, read the book, but don't ask them about the book.

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