The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Trump Dodges Ghislaine Maxwell Pardon Q as Bondi Stonewalls Senate | Wawa Gatheru

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

Josh Johnson dives into AG Pam Bondi's refusal to answer questions about Epstein during a fiery Senate hearing, Trump pretending to forget Ghislaine Maxwell’s name while also not ruling out a pardon for her, and the president's recent obsession with whether he’ll make it to heaven. Plus, Troy Iwata reveals what it really takes to earn an afterlife. Burmese pythons are decimating the ecosystem of Florida's Everglades, but Amy Siewe, a.k.a. the Python Huntress, is on a mission to take out this slithery problem. Michael Kosta joins her on a python hunt and gives this hero the thankssssss she deserves. Founder and Executive Director of Black Girl Environmentalist, Wawa Gatheru, sits down with Josh to discuss her organization’s mission to build a pipeline in the climate sector for Black women and gender expansive people to create more environmental equity and provide resources for the next generation of green leaders. She shares how she stays optimistic in the face of the climate crisis by reframing the narrative as an opportunity to inherit the wisdom of past movements and restructure our world into something better, and emphasizes the importance of telling inspiring stories of climate work to make it more exciting and accessible for everyone. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to Comedy Central. From the most trusted journalists at Comedy Central, it's America's only sorts for new. This is The Daily Show with your host, Josh Johnson. Welcome to The Daily Show. I'm Josh Johnson. We have got so much to talk about tonight. Pam Bondi plays hardball.

Mike Johnson gives Congress blue balls, and Trump wants to get into that big Epstein Island in the sky. So let's get into the headlines. Yesterday, Trump was in the Oval Office to announce the construction of a big road in Alaska. Congrats, Alaska. You finally got a wrong. And we know one thing about Trump is that he likes to keep his press conferences focus and on topic.

So let's hear what he has to say about this cool road. I want to be good because you want to prove to God that you're good so you go to that next step, right? So that's very important to me. Trump, are you sick? I mean, aside from all the visible signs that your body has fallen up, but. part. Are you sick or something? Like, we should take a second here, because this is the first time I've seen Trump be humble about anything. Like, normally he'd be like, heaven's begging

me to come. I'm only staying alive to play hard to get. Jesus came up to me with tears in his eyes and he said, please, sir, come fix heaven. It's a total dump. It's like he just realized he only has immunity here on earth. And this isn't a one-off. Trump's been talking about this heaven thing a lot lately. If you're not a believer and you believe you go nowhere, what's the reason to be good, really? There has to be some kind of a report card up there someplace. You know, like, let's go to heaven.

Let's get into heaven. I want to try and get to heaven if possible. I'm hearing I'm not doing well. I really get the bottom of the totem pole. Oh, oh, man. This is such a bleak and completely accurate view of his chances in heaven. I will say, though, you never want to see the guy who's supposed to keep you healthy and safe talk about dying. Like, he's supposed to be leading you.

You never want to hear a pilot over the system be like, oh, I just can't wait to get into heaven. Like, can we get to Pittsburgh first? And look, I don't know, man. Heaven is tough to get into. Like, I don't want to throw cold water on your hopes and dreams, but you might want to think about trying to get into, like, a safety heaven. Like, whatever SUNY Albany of heaven is up there, you know what I mean? Like, apply there, you know?

because the truth is there's probably a good reason for Trump to worry about getting into heaven, you know? Is it? Yep, yep, yep. That too. I mean, that wasn't even the first thing I thought of.

Crazy how many things there are. So it makes sense that Trump is worried, especially since he's not going to have people like Attorney General Pam Bondi at the pearly gates. Because she's been devoting every second getting him out of trouble here on earth. They spent all summer trying to hide any mention of Trump in the Epstein files. And when Bondi was asked about that today, she basically told senators, you can go to hell. So who gave the order to flag records related to President Trump?

To flag records for President Trump? To flag any records, which included his name. I'm not going to discuss anything about that with you, Senator. What a tone. You know you're caught when you have to repeat what you were being accused of back to the person. Like, just so you have time to think, like, who's been texting me? Who's been texting me all night? You want to see my text messages?

You want to see texts? message? A man can't even type anymore. This used to be a free country. It's like, fine, look. See, you'll see I've never gotten a text message in my life. And while Pam Bonnie

is stonewalling the Senate, Mike Johnson is shutting the whole house down. That way, no one can vote on releasing the Epstein files. And of all people running interference for the Epstein files, it's Mike Johnson. You think someone who looks like

an 11-year-old boy would care about pedophilia, all right? You know? Because he might get called the crossfire. If you're someone who still has to say, put me down, I'm a grown man, then you should be fighting to release the Epstein files. With all these guys running defense for Trump,

all he has to do is act cool. You know, if you get a question, don't freak out and then just act natural the Supreme Court is back in session they rejected today an appeal by Elaine Maxwell to overturn her conviction that means her only chance at getting out of prison is a pardon from you is that something you're open to doing galane Maxwell you know I haven't heard the name in so long I said act natural I haven't heard the name in so long. She's not asking you about the Baha men.

You're over here being like, who, who, who, who, who? And look, look, maybe I'm not being fair. You know, how long has it been since you last heard her name? Years? Did you personally approve the prison transfer for Galane Maxwell that your Justice Department? I didn't know about it at all. No, I read about it just like you did. Pardon for who?

For Gilean Maxwell. Well, I'm allowed to give her a pardon. Would you consider a pardon or a commutation for Gieland Maxwell? It's something I haven't thought about. Did you support the Justice Department seeking an interview with Gilaan Maxwell? I don't know anything about it. They're going to know what? Meet her? That was all summer long.

People say 2025 didn't have a summer song of the year, but no, the song of the summer. was the reporters asking Donald Trump about Galane Maxwell. If it was eligible, it would have been number one on Billboard. But okay, okay. Take a breath. First thing, wasn't great. You can fix it. All right? They ask you if you're going to pardon her. You barely remember her, right? You don't know her. And you're trying to get into heaven, buddy. Remember? That's the play. That's the journey you're on. You're trying to get into heaven and you don't even really know this lady, so you're obviously not even

going to consider pardoning her. Well, I'll take a look at it. I'll speak to the DAJ. I will speak to the DAJ. I wouldn't consider it or not consider. I don't know anything about it. Why would she be a candidate? I will speak to the DA. Why would she be? But she was convicted of child sex trafficking. Yeah, I mean, I'm going to have to take a look at it. Hey, man, hey, hey, maybe when you hear the words child sex trafficking, the next thing you say shouldn't be, I'm going to look at it, all right? The only way to phrase that worse is, now I got to see this. But okay, all right. None of that went well.

No, that was ideal. but you can do what you do best and throw a distraction in there change the topic away from pardoning sex criminals. I have a lot of people have asked me for pardons. I call them Puff Daddy has asked me for a pardon. Wait, so you don't remember Galang but you remember that we used to call Diddy Puff Daddy.

That was nine names ago. He put brother in it at one point. All you had to do was mention someone else who was not convicted of sex crimes, which is most people. And you chose Diddy. And I want to remind everyone, we were gathered here to talk about a road in Alaska. For more on Trump's chances of getting into heaven, let's go live to heaven with Troy O'Wada.

Troy, just be clear, you are not dead. Only on the inside, Josh. No, I'm just reporting from heaven, and the flight was so smooth, and the cute flight attendant gave me two cookies. Great. So based on your reporting, what are Trump's chances of getting into heaven?

Oh, no chance at all. Josh, the guy eats shrimp. He's going to hell for sure. What? Like, did you say shrimp, like the seafood? Uh, yeah, like the seafood, Josh. That's God's big thing, okay? It goes murder, adultery, stealing, and then shrimp.

Murder is the least bad. Okay, look. I'm not going to question the culture. I'm a guest here. I'm kind of surprised by this. If this was such an important thing to God, he would have been more explicit about it. It is written in the Bible, okay?

Written words are important, Josh. Do you see a no parking sign and think, I wonder what that means? This feels crazy, so you can be a cheating murderer and not go to hell. Like, what about Jeffrey Epstein? Is he in heaven? No.

No, of course, Jeffrey Epstein isn't in heaven. He ran a private sex island. You know how much shrimp he ate there? That can't be the only reason. But it is, it is, it is. He would be right here now if he hadn't chased every gang bang with a pound of bang, bang, bang. Okay, hold on.

Help me understand the rules. What if you're a chef who cooked shrimp but never ate it? Hmm. Yeah, that's a toughie. I guess it's kind of like if a drug dealer sold fentanylaced pills to a teenager, like would they both go to hell? No, because shrimp wasn't involved. See, it's not that hard to understand.

It's one rule, dude. Just don't eat any shrimp on earth, and especially none of the shrimp up here in heaven. Why would there be shrimp in heaven? Well, they didn't do anything wrong. Troy, this is crazy. Who even gets in then? Well, it's mostly people with shrimp allergies. Honestly,

honestly, heaven is really boring. Gandhi only has like two stories, and one of them's good. So, it's all gluten-free, too, so. Troy, you're eating shrimp right now. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. You know what? Worth it.

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ends up in a Netflix documentary. That killer, the Burmese Python. Jesus, change it back. Change it. Change it, change it, change it, change it. The Burmese Python is decimating the Everglades ecosystem, but one woman is fighting back. And I spoke to this hero about this slithery problem. And you can thank me later. This is Amy Sewee, a Florida resident who goes out every night hunting pythons. I wanted to find out why she loves killing snakes so much. I don't like that I have to kill them, but it is a necessary thing. I think that's what every serial killer says. I have a Tremendous respect for them. And I know a lot about them.

A lot of people don't want to do this. What are the dangers that the pythons pose to Florida? Mammal extinction is a big one. 98% of the mammals are gone in parts of the Everglades because the pythons have eaten them. What animals are these pythons eating? Is it like the ones that we don't really care about or is it the cute ones? So they're the apex predator. They eat rats, rabbits, bobcats, deer, gaiters.

Wait, deer, deer are enormous. How did they eat it? In one bite. She wasn't kidding. Look at this f*** snake going to town on Bambi's stepmom. That's not supposed to happen in America. In fact, Burmese pythons shouldn't even be in Florida. They belong in Bermigia.

There are enough creatures shedding skinning Ford already. How the hell would they even get here? So there was a breeding facility that was actually breeding the pythons for pets. Hurricane Andrew came through in 92 and blew it away and sent 900 pythons to the same general vicinity of the airport. Everglades. Wait. There's an estimated 500,000 of them out there now.

There's 500,000 pythons out there. How many snakes do you think would fit on a mother-a-plan? That's how I would do it. Once I learned that there was a python problem down here, I came down, went on a hunt. I caught a nine-footer, and I was hooked. It's like I can actually use this passion that I have to help Florida with this epic problem. I mean, why don't you come on a hunt with me and we can see how this all works out? Do I have to?

It turns out, yes, I did have to. So I channeled the snake's greatest nemesist. I'm ready. Okay, okay. All right. Give me five. Got changed again and hit the road to search for pythons. Here we go, Burmys.

Well, what do you do? If you see a python, how do you communicate to him? Oh, I'm like, Dave, this is, I'm not saying this right now, okay? Python! Okay, got it. But I also, so I break for snakes. We have to kill the pythons. We might as well save as many native snakes as we can.

Let me get this straight. Pythons equal murder. Wait, stop, there's a cotton mouth. But we have to save, oh God, more snakes. There it is. She's got a snake, just like that. Oh, he's not happy. He is a very, very feisty one.

So as I walk over there, just make sure you're out of the way. Nope, not in a truck. Come on buddy One snake saved There's a snake right here Dave Oh shit That's a baby cotton mouth I'm just gonna get it off

Your eyes are good Wow number two saved This is a banded water snake So these are On hands? Cool Anyone want to hold him? No Okay

At first I was overwhelmed But as the hours slithered by I felt my mind focus and my soul communed with the forces of nature. Soon I was one with the great snake spirit and I could sense her children all around me. There's a snake right there. Boom. There's a snake. Let's go see what we've got.

Nope, it's a stop. God, I made it of a snake. Shit! Is that not a snake? It's not a snake. False alarm. Amy thought she saw a snake. It's a log. Okay, so I might have thought a stump was a snake, but it only meant my eyes were primed for spotting danger. There's a frog. Does that count? No, he doesn't count.

There's a big frog. Oh, frog. Basically, I'm saying I got no frog. Frogs are out. That I know. I'm not a big snake guy, even though my high school nickname was the white anaconda. Second time you told me, you're...

I don't even know. Although we never actually saw a python, thank God. We also never saw any mammals. On the East Coast, they're eating mostly gaiters and birds. because all the mammals are gone. They're moving north and west. That's terrifying. But Amy's mission never wavered

even as we stayed awake way past my bedtime. So you'll go back out tomorrow. Absolutely. This is it. This is what I do every night. It was clear that Amy was born to do this, just like I was born to thank her

on behalf of us all. Amy, on behalf of the general public and on behalf of Michael Costa at the Daily Show, Daily Show, we present you with this. Wow. To my favorite, super, yeah, snake hunter, Amy, you're killing it. Thanks for helping bring balance to our precious ecosystem and also for protecting me and for being strangled and swallowed by a python.

Thank you for saying that. Did I want to stay in Florida and hunt pythons? No f*** way. Are you kidding? But Amy did. And that's exactly what Florida needs. You ever find any weird shit like a body or anything? No, one of my friends did, though.

Really? Thank you, Michael. When we come back, Wawa Gather will be joining me on the show. Don't go away. Welcome back to The Daily Show. My guest tonight is the founder and executive director of the organization Black Girl Environmentalists. Please welcome Wawa Gathering.

Wow, thank you so much for being here. Oh, my goodness. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited. Absolutely. So your organization, Black Girl Environmentalists, can you tell me more about it? You're the founder and director, and so you would know everything about it. Yeah, I would hope so. So, yes, I'm the proud founder and executive director of Black Girl Environmentalist.

We are a national organization that's working to address the unique pathway and retention issue that exists in the climate sector for black girls. and black gender expansive folks. So I can zoom out a little bit as to why that's our mission. So when we look at the US population, people of color make up nearly 40%, but we don't exceed a 12 to 16% green ceiling. So we see that there's a gap in terms of diverse talent, but then also there's a gap in terms of who has green skills.

So Gen Z, when we look at folks who have green skills, only one in 10 Gen Z around the world has a green skill. And we look at women around the world, only one in 10 women have a single green skill. So black girl environmentalists is trying to address these circumstances by building pipelines and making sure that the next generation is properly resourced to be climate leaders.

Yeah. Can you tell me more about green skills? Like what is a green skill specific? Yeah, yeah. A green skill can look like a number of different things. A green skill could be someone getting the skills to fill in potholes. It could be a skill to be a policymaker.

It could be a skill to work in conservation. But the thing is, there aren't as many folks going into the green economy space in general. So I think we also have to shift the narrative to make sure that we're making those roles more sexy. And that's what Black Girl Environmental is trying to do, make green jobs feel cooler. Yeah, yeah, I see.

And was there a moment? Was there an event or any sort of gathering that you had as an organization that really felt like the moment things were clicking, like things were really taking off? Yeah, I would say it was the first summer of our Hazel and Johnson Fellowship Program. So one of our biggest programs is called the Hazelam Johnson Fellowship Program. It was named after the mother of environmental justice from the great city of Chicago. And it's an organization that is working, and it's a program that's working to essentially build

a pipeline of diverse talent into green internships. So there's a lot of gaps in regards to who gets to enter the green space. So we've teamed up with different organizations and companies to have internships available for our fellows. So our fellows do 10 weeks over the summer. They get at least $18 an hour. We pay them at least $5,000 for a living wage stipend. We do weekly professional development support,

and we end the summer with a four-day long retreat in nature in Washington State. So the moment that was really, really beautiful for me and my team was getting to meet all our fellows for the first time last summer and then meet our second cohort this year and have them talk about how they finally feel like there's a home for them in the climate movement. Yeah.

That's incredible. And so, I guess, zooming out for a second past the organization, you know, there's all of this climate work that needs to be done. And you would think that your greatest ally would be the government in the country that you live, you know. But unfortunately, we, you know, are here.

And so what do you do when you not only don't have support, but there's like active hostility towards climate science or climate activists? It's tough. It's a lot of whiplash. So we're coming off of a Biden administration that was really committed for putting millions, hundreds of millions of dollars into the hands of grassroots organizations through the inflation reduction. Act and Justice 40. And so we saw organizations that were awarded tons of funds around $29 billion,

and those funds have now been frozen or canceled without... You see, you clap too soon. Without due process. So I have some friends that found out that their organizations lost funding from newspapers before they even got notified by their emails. So we have a lot of organizations in the green economy space, organizations and work who are at the front lines of deploying and scaling climate solutions, really scrambling for funds.

So it's difficult, but at the same time, there has been good movement happening. There's a coalition called America's All In, which is a coalition of different businesses and academic centers and cities and municipalities and states who are still committed to the Paris Accords and still committed to climate targets that are going to hopefully get us to where we need to go.

But we definitely need philanthropy to stand up, corporate America to stand up, America to stand up and to really help fill the gaps that the federal government is pulling back on. I would say that you mentioned, you know, getting us where we need to be or getting us where we're trying to go and everything. And one thing I see when I, when I look at you is someone who is deeply, deeply optimistic and working in climate, which you would, would think would be two separate things, you know? Like, just because of what's happening in the world. And, like, even before, even before, you know, we used to think the greatest threat, all the energy and all of the pollution was just going to be, like, fossil fuels. But now you have AI and you have data centers being built and everything. So that's a whole different

thing to tackle, which has nothing but, like, just mounds and mounds of money behind it. And people who are full steam ahead because they think that it's going to take them to some sort of utopia or something. And so how do you find that optimism? Because whenever I watch anything that you do, I genuinely see lots of hope, lots of excitement, lots of care,

and I wonder how. Yeah. People always ask me that. And I'll first affirm, I think it would be insane for folks not to feel the kaleidoscope of the emotional responses that climate change in our world.

the things that it presents us. I feel hopeless and angry and frustrated a lot of the time, maybe not online. But I do have moments like this, and I think what's been really helpful is reframing the climate crisis in a lot of ways and reframing what it is that we're inheriting. So we are inheriting the biggest crisis of all time,

and it's a crisis that we didn't create, but we have to solve, and that's frustrating, and it's important to hold that truth. But we're also inheriting wisdom from movements of our past, passed, movements that also had to deal with what felt like insurmountable odds, like abolition, civil rights, labor movements, women's suffrage. None of those movements ever had any guarantee of success, yet people continued to persevere. And there's so much that we can learn from the organizing tactics that have been left behind

for us, solidarity being a big one, coalition building being a big one, and we really need that in the climate space because the climate crisis is not just. just an ecological crisis. Yes, ecological breakdown is clearly happening, but it's also a crisis of care and a crisis of connection. We really have a problem with seeing the value in nature and non-human species and other humans. We see this with the existence of sacrifice zones

and Cancer Alley, we see that with the ongoing genocides happening around the world, with the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian people. We have to have the moral courage and clarity to refuse to bring that type of dangerous business as usual into the future that we're building. And so I always tried to ask the question back to folks who asked me, are we doomed

or are we going to solve this crisis? That that's not the correct question that we should be asking, because there isn't just one future waiting for us. There's many possible features, and the future that we get is based off of the decisions that we make. Yeah, right.

Just make a, just make a, just make like a little recording of that response right there, whatever somebody says, that we're cooked. Like that's what's a... And so if people want to... Not just join in theory, but if people want to really be a part of the effort, are there actionable things that people

in those sort of local communities can do to get started? I would always recommend that folks look up the local organizations and their communities doing the good work. There are everyday people doing the work every single day. People who have green jobs, people who are doing their climate work outside of their nine to five. And it's really, really exciting. And I think that what we need more today is good climate storytelling. So so much of what people hear about climate change is a

doom and gloom. And there's so much truth in that. It is bad. And if we don't do anything, it could get worse. And there are everyday people pushing for a better tomorrow in really cool, innovative ways. One of my favorite organizations is called The Descendants Project. They're based in Louisiana, and they are actually buying back plantations as a means. Yeah, yeah. No, they're super cool. They bought back to plantations that their ancestors were previously enslaved upon, and they're using them as sites of reclamation, funding against the narrative violence of plantation, tourism, as well as using them as sites to educate their communities about how the petrochemical industry is basically poisoning the health of their communities,

and they're fighting back and winning. And it's so cool. If more people knew about women like Dr. Joe and Joy Banner, who are the founders of the Descendants Project, I feel like more folks to lean into climate optimism and see the possibilities of how they could get involved too. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like, yeah, I feel like every time you,

you say something, you give me, like, three more questions in my head because I'm because it is it is fascinating to talk to someone who isn't just in in one direction seeing where we're going to go because like I said you know I have other friends who are in climate projects and and part of the overall movement that as soon as like data centers became a thing they were like oh well then it's kind of it's kind of shot and so I think that I think that for most people They don't really realize how big their impact is as an individual.

And so even when you're engaging with things like AI and maybe it's using this energy and you don't really think of yourself in that, right? Like, do you think that there's a way to communicate people's individual impact in a way that kind of crosses all the intersections that you're talking about with black girl environmentalists and all of the climate justice that you're trying to do? Like, I think that in the longest way possible to ask a question. I think that it's incredibly difficult for someone to see themselves as the next big climate advocate. And I think a lot of people think they have to be that to even get involved. What would you say is the thing that you're looking for if someone comes to you specifically? like for black girl environmentalists. What was the thing that you look for in the person

and then the thing that you put out with them into the world? Yeah, so I think it depends on the context, right? So if someone's interested in BGE, usually they're like a black girl environmentalist or maybe someone who hasn't always felt like that term has resonated with them. So I think it's really important for me to meet people where they're at. And I think that might be something that we're missing from sustainability or environmental discourse at large.

It always feels like a zero-sum game. You ask something about AI, you ask something about recycling, and no matter how you answer it, you're going to make someone mad. And, you know, that's fair. We all have different opinions, but I do think that we should be leaning into these conversations with values.

There are certain things that we can all get behind. In fact, when we look at polling, the majority of Americans believe our government should be doing more around safeguarding clean air and clean water and safeguarding healthy communities. That's something we can get behind. I'd rather have those conversations to bring people in and then talk about the solutions from there. Gotcha.

And my last question, because you are a founder of an organization and you're flying across the world, giving talks and like building community and everything. And you're also very young and you start this work even earlier than that. So do you, are you going to retire at any point or do you think, you think this is just, this is it? I would say something I would like to see is less youth climate activists or less youth activists. I started at 15, and sometimes I wonder what it would have been like for me to spend more time being a kid. And now I'm adult, and now I have to do big girl stuff. And sometimes I want to lean back into the time that I lost in a way.

But ultimately, the climate crisis isn't going anywhere. So continue to be doing this work, and black girl environmentalists is a huge priority of mine. But I would love to help contribute to telling better climate stories and highlighting cool solutions like solar grazing, which is like where you bring different grazing animals to solar farms to help bring the vegetation. I can talk about solar grazing, but like cute climate solutions that people want to hear about. And that's something that I like to do more and help change the narrative around climate to one that restructures the climate crisis as an opportunity to restructure our world.

Because I think that Mother Earth is giving us really important feedback that the structures that we've relied on for so long aren't working and that we've. have a once-in-a-species-long opportunity to be better and do better. Yeah. Well, thank you so, so much. I appreciate this. This means a lot to me. Thank you, thank you, thank you for being here.

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