The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Trump Pleads Total Immunity to SCOTUS While Claiming to be an Everyman | Kyle Chayka

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

Jordan Klepper and Ronny Chieng dive into Trump’s double trials, as his lawyers argue to the Supreme Court that he should have complete immunity and David Pecker of “The Enquirer” airs out his dirty laundry. As protests for Gaza ramp up on college campuses, the de-escalation effort doesn't seem to be...de-escalating. Jordan and Ronny break down the police crackdown, as well as politicians like Mike Johnson and Benjamin Netanyahu weighing in. Plus, Kyle Chayka, New Yorker staff writer and author of “Filterworld: How Algorithms Flattened Culture” sits down with Jordan and Ronny to discuss the effects of algorithm-based suggestions on how we experience taste and culture. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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From the most trusted journalists at Comedy Central, it's America's only source for news. This is the Daily Show with your host Jordan Clepper and Ronnie Chang. Welcome to Nailashow, I'm Jordan Clepper. And I'm Roy Chang. We've got so much to talk about tonight. College campuses are protesting. Donald Trump's enemies are surrendering and the Supreme Court wonders if the president can kill you for fun. Mmm. But first, Donald Trump is still on trial, so let's catch up with another installment of America's Most Tremendously Wanted. Today was a big day for Donald Trump versus Johnny Law with the former president fighting the man at every level of the legal system. But things actually started off pretty good for Trump. today was a big day for Trump. After months of calling him unfit for office, Trump's former attorney general Bill Barr

said he's voting for him anyway. And Trump responded with as much grace as you would expect. So the former president posting a truth social day. Quote, wow, former attorney general, Bill Barr has just endorsed me for president, despite the fact that I called him weak, slow-moving, lethargic, gutless, and lazy, based on the fact that I greatly appreciate its wholehearted endorsement,

I am removing the word lethargic from my statement. Thank you, Bill. Donald Trump is the king of pettiness. I am positive in an alt-universe. Trump was a sorority president, just dripping with shade. Like, wow, Bill, I love that bikini. You're so brave to be wearing that. You go, girl.

I mean, it does look like Trump hates Trump-ass-kisses as much as the rest of us do. Because he'll be like, kiss the ring, And then when they do, he's like, I can't believe you kiss the ring, you little bitch. So Trump was riding that sick burn high this morning and all the way into court where he was confronted with testimony from the head of the National Enquirer, who wasn't afraid to spill some tea. Publisher David Pecker returned to the witness stand this morning and explained how he engineered a deal to buy the silence of Karen McDougal, a playboy model who claims she had an affair with Trump.

Pecker claims he had a deal with Trump and his attorney Michael Cohen to be on the lookout for damaging stories about Trump. He would buy stories that were unflattering to Trump and then he would kill them to make sure they didn't become public. Was today a bad day for Donald Trump? He, look, I can't read his mind, but he looked pretty miserable. Oh, really? He looked miserable. He's not one of those jovial criminal defendants. Coming to court with a smile on his face and a spring of a step as he stares down a future full of prison gangs, public pooping and shoddy heroin

balloons migrating up his colon. Shocker. But yes, David Pecker, pun intended, testified that he brought up and buried negative stories about Donald Trump to help him win the 2016 election, which sounds crazy but you got remember this was way back in 2016 when negative stories were a bad thing. Now we know that every new scandal just cancels out a different scandal until you become president. But because this is Donald Trump, he wasn't involved in just one court case today.

While he was in New York, his lawyers were in front of the Supreme Court, arguing that Trump should have complete legal immunity for anything he did while president. And I do mean complete immunity. If the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person and he orders the military or orders someone to assassinate him. Is that within his official acts for which he can get immunity? It would depend on the hypothetical, but we can see that could well be an official act. I object to this guy's voice. Can we someone get him a lawjans or something?

But I mean, sorry, sorry, you may continue. How about if a president orders the military to stage a coup? I think it would depend on, that's immune. I think it would depend on the circumstances whether it was an official act, if it were an official act. If a president sells nuclear secrets to a foreign adversary, is that immune? Well, I don't know in the hypothetical whether or not that would be an that would be an that would be an that would be an that would be that would be an that would be that would be an official that would be an official that would be an official that would be an official that would be that would be an official that would be that would? Well, I don't know in the hypothetical whether or not that would be an official act. Okay, look, can we stop giving Trump ideas, okay? Yeah, he's listening to this like, oh, selling nuclear secrets, I should write this down. Yeah, it sounded like they were loose, pitching Netflix action thrillers in the room.

Like, in order to save his nation, the president must strangle an opponent in a public death match. Liam Niesen is immune from prosecution. Now, the Trump legal team doesn't really believe the total immunity argument. Now, they're just bringing it up to delay his trials. It's kind of like when your kid asked for water at bedtime and you know believe the total immunity argument. They're just bringing it up to delay his trials. It's kind of like when your kid asked for water at bedtime and you know they're just trying to delay bedtime because kids don't need water. Wait, so I'm pretty sure kids do need water.

No, you're thinking of plans. The wild thing is that the court's conservative majority seems like it's actually going to accept at least part of Trump's argument. By the end of the hearing, the conservative majority seem to express a desire to create some kind of limited immunity for official acts for presidents. So this is where we're at. The conservative justices think Trump should have immunity. The liberal justices don't.

How about we meet halfway? Instead of complete immunity, presidents get a hall pass of five crimes that are totally okay if you have the chance. For example, mine would be bribery, insurrection, wire fraud, perjury, and Lenny Kravitz. Money laundering. I mean money laundry. I got my hall passes mixed up. Yeah, I mean it is kind of crazy the Supreme Court might actually make the president immune from the law. I mean, isn't this America's whole thing? It's no kings. I mean that's why those people threw the tea in the river. I mean what a waste. They could have kept all that tea. Yeah, that is still a presidential race going on.

So, this morning, Donald Trump made a campaign stop on his way into court. And Fox News was there to drink it up. Breaking this morning, former President Donald Trump making a surprise campaign stop in the last hour at a construction site in Midtown. He's taking his time with everyone talking to people, shaking selfies. Look at him with this man with the hard hat, taking a picture, thanking him for being there, patting his back. He grew up in New York, grew up in construction on these sites, and now he's talking to the men and women that build New York, that build all these buildings. He knows a lot about that. that. thapapapapapapapap. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's thi. He's th. He's thi. He's thi. He's thi. He's thi. He's the the him the him the him the him thi. th. th. thi thi. thi. thi the him him the him the him the him th. th. He th. He th. He th. He th. He th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's thi. He's thi. He's than than than than than than. Thank than. Thank than. Thank than. Thank than. He's than. than. than. than. than. thannnnnnnnnn't than. Thank than to be at a construction site.

Shake a few hands, pat a few backs, show them some advanced cat calling techniques, you know, the whole nine. And those construction workers appeared to really love Trump. Either that or they showed up with all their unpaid invoices. Hey, can I get your autograph on this? Yeah, I can you initial here and here, please. It's been yours now. For more Donald Trump's day in the courts and on the campaign trail,

we go down to the New York courthouse and Michael Costa. Michael, Michael. And Michael, you were with Trump this morning at his campaign stop, right? Yep. And once again, Trump proved that he is a man of the people. Blue collar workers, union guys, Donald J. Trump is one of them. You know, clearly the J stands for Joe, as in Joe Six-Pack, Average Joe or Joe lean because of the adultery. Right, right, right. He's an every man, a regular person.

And what did Trump's lawyers argue at the Supreme Court today? Their argument is quite simple, Ronnie. Donald Trump is not a regular person. He's not some blue-collar worker or a union guy. Donald J. Trump is an untouchable, god-like entity who lives above the law, right? Clearly, the J stands for judicially immune from all prosecution forever and all time, amen. But Michael, how does he square those two?

That sounds totally contradictory. Oh, not at all. Donnie Trump is a guy you can imagine having a beer with. He's also the guy who can murder the guy he's having a beer with. Because the law doesn't apply to him. Jordan, he's like J-Lov. Don't be fooled by the total immunity he's got. He's still Donny from the block.

Also, he's got a great ass. OK. Michael, Michael, how is he at all relatable to these construction guys? Easy, Ronnie. Trump speaks the language of the common man. Hey, I'm walking here on my way to overthrow the government. And it's legal what I'm doing under the auspices of an official act. Hey! Pepperoni.

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Michael Kosta, everyone. When we come back, we talk about the J stands for juicy, kabusi. Michael Kosta, everyone. When we come back, we'll talk about the latest college trends. I don't know. I don't know what that works. Finding great candidates to hire can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You might get a lot of resumes, but not enough candidates with the right skills or experience. But not with Zip Recruiter. Zip Recruiter finds amazing candidates for you fast.

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with a student. But in recent weeks, colleges across the country have become the site of mass protests against Israel's war in Gaza. This presents a challenge for the colleges. Loud and even disruptive protests are cherished tradition on campuses. And college investments in Israel are a legitimate issue for students. But at the same time, there's a real element of anti-Semitism among some protests, and Jewish students have the right to feel safe at their own schools.

So, it's a delicate balance that requires keeping a cool head and listening respectfully. And above all, the colleges should not escalate the tension. Columbia University's president asked the NYPD to break up a tent encampment. 150 protesters were arrested at NYU and a demonstration the university says it asked the police to intervene. Okay, okay. Just to be clear, I said, de-escalate. De-escalate. Chaos on the campus of USC. As pro-Palestinian protesters clash with school security and police.

LA police officers in riot gear move in, and there are a number of confrontations as the police force encircles the center of campus. Okay, does de-escalate not mean what I think it means? Unescalate, reverse escalate. At least don't make it worse. Officers were sent in at the request of the university and under the direction of Governor Greg Abbott. Abbott posted a social media quote, the protesters belong in jail. Send in the National Guard and wake these kids up. Do these f-fixies ever think of a solution besides force? I mean, when this guy's Wi-Fi goes down,

is he like, get the National Guard in air. We need to fuck up my modem. By the way, that man is Senator Josh Hawley. You might remember him as the man who riled up a mob on January 6th and then ran like a bitch once they showed up. Personally, personally, I might think twice the next time I endorsed violence, but that's just me. Yeah, and also, Jordan, you don't use the national god because students are camping on the quad. You use them for when aliens invade and you want to test the aliens weapon capabilities.

You know, you're like, how strong are that laser, sending the national god to find out. Also, you're not going to resolve tension by adding violence. I'm spitball in here. Maybe instead of armed soldiers, why not try sending in the college improv troop, you know? A group of communication majors in bright-colored shirts asking for a suggestion should clear out a crowd in no time. No, Jordan, everybody knows that our college improv makes everything worse. Okay, and as well right-wing politicians showing up on campus to yell at the students. House Speaker Mike Johnson visiting the Columbia campus today.

The cherished traditions of this university are being overtaken right now by radical and extreme ideologies. I am here today joining my colleagues and calling on President Shafi to resign if she cannot immediately bring order to this chaos. Go back to class and stop the nonsense. Stop wasting your parents' money. Yes. Stop wasting your parents' money. Be like Mike Johnson, get into government and waste everyone's money. And by the way, Mike, if your problem is with anti-Semitism, I completely agree with you that it's completely unacceptable, but maybe start with your co-worker who believes in Jewish space lasers. I mean, just, thing.

I will say, it's quite a flip-flop for Republicans to be telling New York college kids to go back to their woke ideology classes. You shouldn't be intense, you should be studying essays on pornography by radical feminist Andrea Dwarken. Honestly I can't think of anybody worse to give their opinions on how to protest the war in Gaza. Well, there is one guy. What's happening on America's college campuses is a rip. Anti-Semitic mobs have taken over in leading university. It's unconscionable.

It has to be stopped. Oh, thanks for taking the time to give your feedback, Benjamin Netanyahu. Is there nothing else going on with you? I know. This guy's like, the situation in US college campuses is unacceptable. Do you see how the buildings are not rubble? I I I I I I I I I I I I the the. Do you see how the buildings are not rubble? I am disgusted. Here's the point.

There's a lot of noise and plenty of bad actors. But fundamentally, what's driving these protests is anger over Israel's disproportionate use of force. So, before we respond to the protests with disproportionate force, maybe we should listen to what they have to say. And then, if we still don't agree the to agree agree agree agree agree agree agree agree agree agree agree agree agree the the to agree the the the to agree the their their their their their to their their their their their to their to their to to to to their to theirse, theirseckoes. theirse, theirse, theirse, theirse, theirse, theirse. theirse. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. theirse. theirse. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. toe. toe. toeck. toeck. toeck. tooomeck. tooomeck. toeck. toeck. toeck. toeck. toe. toe. toeck. toe. to what they have to say. And then, if we still don't agree with the students, then we can send in the college improv troop. When we come back, Kyle Cheka will be joining us on the show. That's all that.

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come see what the buzz is all about. Subscribe to the Midas Touch podcast wherever you get your podcast. That's the Midas Touch, M-E-I-D-A-S-O-U-C-H podcast. Jordi, anything to add? Shout up to the show. Our guest tonight is a staff right at the New Yorker whose latest book is called Filterworks. How Algorithms Flatten Culture. Please welcome, Carl Shaker. Kyle, Kyle, I like this book. I'll tell you why. I've been in grumpy asshole about culture for years now and this book validates so many of the things I've been telling other people. Tell me, how am I right? How do algorithms flatten culture? How has everything gotten worse in the past decade or something.

I like seeing the sticky notes, by the way. I feel like this is a demonstration. I'm going to grill you on all of this. Please, it's like a quiz for me. But yeah, I think we're surrounded by these machines right now, which are algorithmic recommendations. algorithmic recommendations and everything from your email to your Facebook feed to your text messages to a Tick-Tock video it's all sorted for you. So I think that kind of affects culture in two ways where as consumers we become more passive we're like more accustomed to just getting stuff

handed to us that already agrees with our viewpoint and like our tastes and then on the other side the creators of culture kind of to fit these algorithmic platforms so they have th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toked toked toked toked todoked toda toda tip tip tip tip tip tip tip tip tip tip tip tip to to to to tip to to to to to tha tha the the the. thea thea thea thea thea thea thea thea thau. tpic tk. tk. tk. tk. tk. tk. tk. tk. tcoic today today today today tastes. And then on the other side, the creators of culture kind of have to mold their work to fit these algorithmic platforms. So they have to figure out what works on Instagram, what works on Tick-Tock, and then like adapt their work to that rather than just doing what they might want to do on their own. I actually, you mentioned here, which is this generic coffee shop. Tell me about that.

Yeah, it was this kind of coffee shop design that I started encountering just traveling around as a journalist probably around 2015-2016. And I think everyone can recognize it, especially in New York if you've been to almost any cafe around here. There's white subway tile on the wall, there's reclaimed wood furniture, there's hanging Edison bulbs with those like exposed wires, there's succulents and little ceramic jars. There's a giant neon sign that says I love coffee, yeah, like avocado toast and script or whatever. And I think the reason why you find those everywhere, like whether you're in Beijing or Berlin or Los Angeles or Bali or wherever you go is

because our tastes have kind of been homogenized by platforms like Instagram. So there's like a particular aesthetic that works for Instagram and everyone puts it out there and then everyone else on the platform slowly copies that and I think that's true for a coffee shop owner which I interviewed a bunch of for the book but it's also true of musicians or a chef making a kind of food that looks good on Instagram or a producer making a beat for Tick-Tock. So I think we're all kind of getting funneled into these weird tracks that are set. And when I visit coffee shops like that, overseas or around America, I feel at home.

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humans kind of having this like the meta game of human art aesthetics kind of finding a balance to what everyone kind of likes? We're always chasing each other right like culture is a process of copying stuff and finding a style that works in the mainstream but I think now we're just really in these funnels that are directing us in like a bigger and faster way toward each other. Like we're all being shoved into these set tracks much more than we were but I guess I'm saying how much of this is algorithms fault and how much of this is we are just humans of, this is, humans are bad.

I think it's like, humans are bad and dumb and we have bad taste and eventually the machines, they copy us. Yeah, I think it's the, the humans have bad habits. Like we are, we wanna be passive, we wanna be lazy, we don't wanna get too far out of our comfort zones. And these algorithmic platforms make tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha thiiia thia thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that. Like we don't have to go, we don't have to see things we don't like, we don't have to listen to music that's unusual for us. So I think it like enables those innate

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you find it, like, you sort of have to meet a moment with a part of taste to find it and for it to actually stick to you. And what I worry about with algorithms, are we, are we executing serendipity? Yeah, I think so in a way. Because everything is pre-sorted to appeal to us. Like you are not seeing something that's totally outside of your frame of reference. So in that case, when your friend in high school recommends an album to you, there's this like passion to that, there's like a creativity to that. They really enjoy it, so they thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr-a, thr-a, thi, thr-a, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr.. thr-a, thri, thri. to to to toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo want to give it to you, and you're more likely to sit with it and give it some patience and try to understand what they meant by giving it to you.

Whereas when an algorithmic feed gives you something, there's no feeling there. Like, there's no creativity, there's no enjoyment of that piece of culture. It's just that enough data suggested this bit of stuff. And like that is kind of depressing to me as someone who enjoys like art and music. Your data likes this, have more, eat. Stop, stop at the bistro lights. Look at the bistro lights. Sure, you guys are both Brooklyn, hipsters.

Okay, you want some human to come and tell you what's good. But, but like, what about the situations when we go on Instagram or insert in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in Instagram?? situations when we go on Instagram or insert social media whatever and then they recommend something to buy like a piece of clothing or or that's not going to what I buy but like yeah I was I was running my head through all the stuff I could say on TV but I recommend something and you go actually like this I actually do like I hate to admit it but that the algorithm got me yeah yeah it's t it. I hate to admit it, but the algorithm got me. Yeah, it's times I tell my wife, my algorithm got me. I bought this thing, you know, whoever is chewing gum that comes from a tree and grease

or whatever it was. But, and I actually enjoy it. So like, you know, we're arguing against algorithms here, but how much of this is, you know, beneficial. Yeah, not everybody has a cool high school friend. Most people have a shitty one that maybe should be replaced by an okay algorithm. Yeah. No, I feel like sometimes the algorithms judge us too well. Like, they know exactly what we're going to look at. They know what niche products we're going to buy like the resin gum or like or like weird natural one. whatever. Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah. We all have those things that are like,

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and this is directed at you. But now I know that we actually might be friends because we both get the same head for the Greek gun thing. Yeah, you don't know what talk about. Yeah, what the cool kids? What weird pervertive stuff to you by that he buys? That's what I want to know. Wait, so they say if politics is downstream from culture and we all are moving into this flattened culture, what does that and what is tha tha tha thiiiiiiiiiiiiia thia thia their their their their their their their to what it does toward politics?

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There's no internal diversity. It's hard to have different opinions at the same time. It's just like you've been sorted into this bucket or this bucket, and then you've experienced a lot of pressure to stay in there. So how come algorithms are flattening the culture when it's bad for us meaning everyone's seeing the same thing but when it comes to politics when maybe it would be better if we could ruin the same direction is making us more divided? Why is the algorithm doing the worst possible things? I mean some it's totally true it's like opposing forces in a way I mean I think I th th th th th think. think. thin thin thin thi I thi thi thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's th. It's th. It's thi. It's thi. thi. thi. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's thi. It's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theeeeateateateateateateating theateateating theateateating theateating theateating theating thi. thi. thially true. It's like opposing forces in a way. I mean I think culture is like a thing that many people experience collectively Like it's a thing that we can all enjoy together in a way Sometimes. Yeah and in like a Taylor Swift context everyone can like Taylor Swift. Yes, if there's a

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Okay, we figured it out. The algorithmic solution to politics is Taylor Swift. But maybe it's just that there can't the theto such opposing viewpoints. Not even computers can figure it out. Until we have the president that is the algorithm, unfortunately. Right. How old is that algorithm? Yes. Well, none of them are that old. This has only been a decade. You know what? It sounds like a decent option that a lot of people could get behind. FilterWorld is available now. Kyle Chaka. We're going to take a quick break. But- we'll be right back.

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