The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Trump Posts Bizarre AI Videos as Government Shuts Down | Benny Safdie

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

With a government shutdown fully in effect, Ronny Chieng takes a look at Trump's confusingly racist AI videos of Democratic leaders and braces for how the shutdown will impact everything from the TSA ...to national parks. Plus, Josh Johnson reports live from the Grand Canyon, which is already turning into a literal s**thole. Michael Kosta has the hottest moolah-making tips for how to capitalize on recent economic headlines, like adults ordering off the kids' menu, the tooth fairy short-changing kids, and a recall on exploding prosecco bottles from Costco, in the latest installment of Ko$ta Doing Business. Writer and director Benny Safdie talks to Ronny about the inspiration and creative process behind his new film, “The Smashing Machine,” which is based on the life of MMA fighter Mark Kerr. He describes collaborating with Kerr and the film’s star, Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson, to portray the authentic experience of a fighter while telling a human story about pain and resilience, and breaks down how the film’s unique cinematography connects the audience to the character. Keep it classic and cool this fall—with long-lasting staples from Quince. Go to https://Quince.com/DAILYSHOW for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:42 The two fairies so broke, she's on only fans. But first, the federal government shut down last night. So if you're wondering why the mailman didn't come by this morning and bang your wife, now you know why. Let's get into it. Our coverage of Shutdown Showdown, Showdown. I thought the worst thing that could happen this week was when Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban broke up. I mean, I know, if two hot Australians with the same face can't make it work, then what hope is there for the rest of us?
Starting point is 00:02:18 But then, to make it worse, my favorite federal government also couldn't make it work. And the breaking news, as of this morning, the U.S. government, is officially shut down. The main sticking point is health care. Democrats want to reverse Medicaid cuts and stop enhanced Obamacare subsidies from expiring. But top Republicans say they will not negotiate until the government reopens.
Starting point is 00:02:43 Wait, this is all because of health care, but I thought that hot guy murdering as CEO solved all of this. Look, this is the classic dispute between the parties. Democrats say that the government should help pay for health care, and Republicans say, that's what GoFundMe is for. But because the Republicans need Democratic votes to keep the government open, the two parties have to come together.
Starting point is 00:03:07 So this moment calls for a serious and sober-minded leader, like President Trump, to work with the other side to find compromise with dignity and mutual respect. The president last night posted an AI-generated video depicting House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffreys wearing a sombrero and mustache and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer speaking in a fake voice.
Starting point is 00:03:34 There's no way to sugarcoat it. Nobody likes Democrats anymore. We have no voters left because of all of our woke trans bullshit. What the fuck did I just watch? Trump is making fun of a black man for being Mexican? It's almost too confusing to be racist.
Starting point is 00:03:55 It's like putting a headdress on the Twin Towers. I mean, I don't even know what you're trying to say. I don't have the racist math skills to solve this equation. I never thought I say this, but Donald Trump, can you be better at racism? What's making reality break down even more is that this is the official position of the president of the United States. Is it hilarious?
Starting point is 00:04:22 Yes. Is it professional? No. So let's see the mature measured response from the Democrats. It's a disgusting video, and we're going to continue to make clear. Bigotry will get you nowhere. Finally, some adults in charge. You know what?
Starting point is 00:04:41 I like to see Donald Trump make fun of that. President Trump posting another AI-generated video. It's a disgusting video, and we're going to continue to make clear. Bigotry will get you nowhere. We are fighting to protect the health care. the health care of the American people in the face of an unprecedented Republican assault. Goddam, this makes even less sense.
Starting point is 00:05:09 But it's even more funny? What is the bit here? So Hakeem Jeffries is Mexican now, and so is Trump? And they stutter a mariachi band. I mean, maybe this is them coming together. I mean, this is... Maybe this is President Trump's way of outreach
Starting point is 00:05:32 to the other side. Like, he's trying to signal that they can work out a deal at ban practice? I don't know. I don't know. But yes, I hope they do get together soon because as long as this government is shut down, this is going to f*** over a lot of people. As many as 750,000 federal workers
Starting point is 00:05:51 are expected to be furloughed, Many others will have to report to work but will not get paid. That includes TSA officers. Wait, TSA officers were getting paid this whole time? Then why are they so angry? Look, I'm sorry. I didn't know Kindles were laptops, all right? Stop yelling at me.
Starting point is 00:06:13 And it's not just the TSA. This shutdown is also affecting the one thing in America that everyone actually liked. Among the big impact of our shutdown, are national parks. They will remain partially open, but buildings that require staffing like visitors' centers, well, they will close. The last time there was a shutdown,
Starting point is 00:06:31 human waste had been left outside of the restrooms with no one there to clean anything up. Yeah, you know what, that makes sense. You know, when the trash can is full and you put your trash next to it to indicate that you at least try to put it in? It's like that, but with shit. This sucks,
Starting point is 00:06:52 because national parks are like the one thing in America that's not a left-right issue. Everyone, regardless of a political party, goes there to enjoy the beauty and splendor of being outside staring at your phone. For more on the shutdown's impact on national parks, we go live to the Grand Canyon with Josh Johnson. Josh.
Starting point is 00:07:20 Josh. Josh, what... What's the latest? It's pretty bad, Ronnie. The shutdown got everybody stressed out. Smoky Bear already made it through a whole pack of cigarettes. He flicked the butts into the forest and everything. He doesn't care anymore.
Starting point is 00:07:34 Okay. Wow, that's horrible. I mean, is it true that people are straight up pooping on the ground outside the bathrooms? Of course not, Ronnie. Have some faith. People aren't pooping outside the bathrooms of the Grand Canyon. No, they're pooping directly into the Grand Canyon. And, wait, wait, how do you even do that?
Starting point is 00:07:57 Ron, are you not potty trained? So first you pull your pants down. That's actually going to be the most important part. Okay, no. No, I mean, yes, I am fully potty trained. I mean, how, how can someone bring themselves to poop in the Grand Canyon? It's just a big hole in the ground. Do they not have holes where you're from?
Starting point is 00:08:16 I mean, when you think about it, a canyon is just nature's toilet. and the squirrels are its toilet paper. Okay, what? But isn't it dangerous? For the first few hours it was, people would lose their balance and plunge anus fur, 6,000 feet to their death. But now the poop has reached the top.
Starting point is 00:08:38 So good news, when you fall, you just land on the poop. Okay, are you telling me the Grand Canyon is already full of poop? It's been less than a day. It started with a couple of people who just desperately needed to go but then someone posted it online and became a kind of viral challenge after that. You know how the internet
Starting point is 00:08:59 is. It's called the Fecal Furlough Challenge. Oh my God, Josh, are you eating chili out of a can? Don't tell me you're trying to take a dump in the Grand Canyon as well. Yeah, ma'am. I'm not going to be the only guy who didn't do it, you know? I don't want people
Starting point is 00:09:15 to think I'm weird. Oh, it's happening. That's bad, chili. One bite was all it took. Oh, oh, shit. Wait, somebody give me a squirrel. Okay, wait, cut the cameras. Just Johnson, everybody.
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Starting point is 00:11:17 But first, I know what you're wondering. Hey, Costa, why do you have a stuffed crow on your head? Are you being pursued by a Mongolian crypto tycoons enforcer who uses hawks to hunt down debtors? And crows are a natural defense system against predatory raptors? Correct. My fans know what's up. Yo, but enough about crow.
Starting point is 00:11:38 It's time to talk dough, all right? Now, look, unemployment is up. Inflation is up. Bloodthirsty hawks are up in the sky. So that means in this economy, we got to start downsizing, specifically down to the size of a child. Hit me. If you're an adult who sometimes orders food off the children's menu,
Starting point is 00:11:57 take comfort. You're not alone. A survey finds 44% of grown-ups choose kids' meals to save money and limit their portion sizes. The practice makes even more sense when you consider the rising cost of dining out. I'm never going to order an adult meal at Culver's ever again. Value you get for the kids' meal is crazy.
Starting point is 00:12:16 That's right. With food prices on the rise, more adults are eating kids' foods. So if you see me eating luncheables in my car, just know that's not sad anymore. And it's not just the kids' menu. These are all kinds of discounts you can take advantage of pretending you're a child. Movies, aquariums, even flights if you can convince a mom to sit on her lap. Don't forget about education. Why spend 200 grand on college when you can just do what I did and pay 10 grand for pre-school, cha-ching, all right? That's the sound of me saving cash
Starting point is 00:12:51 and learning all my colors, especially green. Shout out to Ms. Danielle for taking us to touch a truck day. Sorry, I spent the whole time crying. Anyway, to save in this economy, adults need to keep eating foods for younger and younger kids. Well, Costa smells a cash attunity.
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Starting point is 00:14:08 job hugging. That's the term some career experts have coined for employees hanging on to a position for longer than planned. Rising unemployment, small wage growth, and overall economic uncertainty are main factors causing people to clenter their jobs. Have you hugged your job lately?
Starting point is 00:14:27 Yes, job hugging. Not to be confused with hugging on the job, which HR tells you is absolutely not allowed. Even though it's not a sexual thing at all. You know, sometimes as a human, and you just longed to be held, to be comforted, to feel the warm embrace of another soul, and you're not alone in this world.
Starting point is 00:14:54 I mean, why do we have these rules that say, just because you're in an office, you shouldn't experience one iota of platonic affection? I mean, is it so wrong for one of God's creatures to share a hug with an intern? And for that, you're told to go to Meredith's office to watch the training video again. It's my fourth viewing.
Starting point is 00:15:15 When are you going to realize I'm not going to get it? I'm a hugger. Anyways, this is about job hugging, totally different concepts. So if you want to keep your job, you've got to be prepared to stay at your desk. No leaving ever. That's why I'm going long on medical toilet chairs. All right? Now, look, your office mates might ask, is that human shit I smell?
Starting point is 00:15:38 No. It's the stench of job security. Now, get out of my office, Meredith. If you want to master the market, you've got to know where to look for economic indicators because sometimes they could be staring at you right in the face, specifically the mouth part. Hit me. The tooth fairy is tightening his budget, not leaving as much under the pillow as he used to. Delta Dental's annual original tooth fairy poll finds kids are getting on average just a little over five.
Starting point is 00:16:13 bucks per tooth. The average payoff for a tooth loss has fallen 14% and that is one of the steepest decline since Delta started tracking tooth fairy leavings 27 years ago. Damn, you know, losing teeth is how kids stash cash. So let me talk to all the children over here at the cost of kids camp. Come here. Hey, hey, hey, they're a little slugger. I know you're pretty sad that your molars aren't bringing in the mullah like they used to. So Uncle Mikey's going to tell you what to do, all right? You got to go all in on dog teeth. All right? Now, listen, this is a volume play, kids. If the individual price of a tooth goes down, you need to be putting teeth under your pillow three, four, five times a week to make up the difference. If you want
Starting point is 00:17:01 9K, you got to round up some K-9s, okay? And you know what, and I know what you're saying, but Uncle M, where am I going to get a hand, where am I going to get my hands on a jowl full of fido fangs? Unfortunately, that's something, for legal purposes, you'll have to figure out on your own. My lawyers informed me that telling children to rifle through a vet clinic's bio-waste dumpster is something I can't do again. Moving on. This next story hits home, because it's about Costco, and I've been a Costco member from 2004 to 2008. Then again, from 2012 to 2014. Then 2019 until 2023. It's been a tough road.
Starting point is 00:17:42 Well, this next story gives a whole new meeting to popping bottles. Costco is sounding the alarm about spontaneously shattering bottles of Prosecco. They were sold in 12 states across the Midwest and South between April and August. They're being recalled, but Costco does not want them back. Costco's warned unopened bottles are at risk of shattering, even when left on a shelf. Ouch. Looks like grandma's mimosa just became a bloody merry. Oh, but let's be real.
Starting point is 00:18:09 If you're buying Kirkland Prosecco in bulk from an Ohio Costco, you're lapping that shit up, even if it's spilled on your driveway. That's why I'm going all in on tongue bandages, because what are you going to let ingesting a little broken glass stop you from saving $4? Hell no. Oh, you know what that sound means? Time to put the old crow hat on and call her a day.
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Starting point is 00:20:09 whose new film is called The Smashing Machine. Please welcome the one and only, Betty Safdi. New York's own. Standing ovation for the Ben Safdi. That is awesome. Thank you. Wow. Yeah. That's how I feel every day. No, that was amazing.
Starting point is 00:20:48 You saw that clip. Yes. And it was, people were so in it, they felt the pain of the punch. Yes. And the crowd went out. Yes. And for a second, we all forgot watching a movie. That's amazing.
Starting point is 00:21:00 Well, that's what I wanted you to be there. That was the goal, you know, with this movie is, put you in the best seat in the house, which is ringside. Sure. You know, but it's interesting. If you look at it, you weren't in the ring in that. No. Because I very, like, specifically wanted to be outside looking in
Starting point is 00:21:16 because if I was actually there filming it, you would see a camera person if you went into the ring. So I, which makes sense. Right. Which is also how, like, every other fight movie would do it. Would do it. Exactly. Has done it.
Starting point is 00:21:29 And so I was like, can I make it so that you're in there without being inside? And then I use the ropes. I use everything to kind of hide some tricks so that when that punch happens, you feel it. Right. And they definitely felt it. I know. I was excited to hear that reaction.
Starting point is 00:21:44 Yeah. And you also show a lot long lens. You shoot, instead, like, can you, what was your kind of process for mapping out how to shoot this story? So essentially, I would approach each scene and be like, okay, what if we were here? How would we film this? And with Maseo Bishop, the cinematographer, we would game plan and figure out how the best shots we could get. different angles and all that.
Starting point is 00:22:09 And basically, with the long lens, you know, I felt like you can kind of pull an audience in with that, which kind of seems counterproductive. But something about being attached to the character, if you can get close to them, then you kind of want to lean in and get around the ropes and see around things. Well, I mean, to my naive, it seems a little counterintuitive because you figure if you want to get close to the character,
Starting point is 00:22:34 you just take it in there. But then you're shooting it as though we, you're a camera person covering the actual event. Yes, so it situates you in a perfect POV. Like, okay, this is, I know somebody's there, and they're filming it. So now you're in their head looking at it, and that kind of process puts you in a special place when you watch. Well, this is why this, you are you, because I wouldn't have thought of doing that, and it freaking worked, because I watched the whole film, and it's great.
Starting point is 00:22:58 That's amazing. And the other thing about this film, obviously, you've got to talk about The Rock. Oh, my God. And he comes in, and he, he was. embodies this character so much, because for me, The Rock is such a familiar figure in pop culture, especially when you get him in wrestling underwear. Of course.
Starting point is 00:23:18 No, it's true. The way he moves as The Rock, we all, in our head, we all know, we've seen it so many times. And in fact, just by his gate, you can recognize him. In this movie, he changed his gate. Yeah. He changed how he walked. Something that was really difficult was,
Starting point is 00:23:33 if you look at pictures of Mark Kerr back in the day, he was a big guy. Dwayne's a big guy, but Mark was a little bit bigger. And so I had to think... Is that impossible? I know. And so I'm thinking, I'm like, how do I bring this up, you know, to Dwayne? Just say you're not big enough.
Starting point is 00:23:49 And so I just said, you know what? Exactly. I said, you know what? I said, Dwayne, I said, as we get closer, maybe you could get a little, how do I say it? And I was like, puffier, you know, like, bigger. Sure. And he's like, oh, okay. He goes, give me 24 hours to, like, process that.
Starting point is 00:24:06 And then he's like, I know exactly what you. you mean and then he put on like 30 40 pounds of muscle to like and because it's not normal muscle his shoulders are huge his legs are big but his waist is tight because he's like a wrestler yeah you know so yeah but like a freestyle wrestler not like a um the performative wrestling which is what he would do oh so he actually changed the way he bulked up for this exactly so he had to literally like you're picking people up and throwing him down interesting thing i said to the real marker i wanted him to take me down so that he knew what it felt like and he's like i'm not going to do that because you would snap in half.
Starting point is 00:24:40 Yes, I would get destroyed. But the stunt coordinator, Greg Rementor, was like, I'll do it. And so literally, I said. And now that guy's dead. Yes, exactly. But he did it, and it's a really remarkable thing. You're standing there, and then a half a second later, you're like, okay, here I go, and you're just down.
Starting point is 00:24:57 Sure. There's nothing you could do. Right. Because the fights were physical. And that was another thing. It was like, I wanted to know what that felt like. Because I'm going to be asking these guys to get in there and do that. and do that.
Starting point is 00:25:06 You know, there's a level of physicality. Sometimes they're not getting punched in the face. But I didn't get punched at the very, towards the end of the movie, he really got punched because I was like, I don't want to cut away. And it's another hard conversation to have that I need you to get punched in the face for this thing. Yes. But, I mean, he committed so hard. I'm sure that wasn't a, he knew he had to.
Starting point is 00:25:26 That's what he actually brought up to me. The hard part was reminding him that he said that early on. Right. And did you have, were you working with him in the characterization for him? to embody it? Oh, for sure. Or was he off on his own and then he come back in Zinn. As I was writing it, I was talking to Dwayne the whole time and I was also talking to
Starting point is 00:25:45 Mark too, because I felt if I'm going to tell this story, I got to get to know Mark. And Dwayne and I at that point had gotten very close. And it really was just like there was this shared experience, you know, which is strange because we have very different, you know, upbringings, but there was something that I really felt connected to with both him and Mark. And I could sense that we all felt the same thing. And so I was like, okay, there's something to explore here. You know, there's a shared, like, human experience that I could get into.
Starting point is 00:26:14 Do you want me asking, what was that thing? It's, okay, it's, it's... What do you have in common with the rock? Okay. So, yes, it's the fact, and it's actually a little sad. But, so I know what it feels like to have a kind of deep pain inside of you and have to to go out in front of everybody and act like it's not there. But it's always there.
Starting point is 00:26:40 And it's something that you know is there. But for the benefit of other people, you're like, and it's also, you're not going to let yourself be defined by that. And that's something that I think Mark Kerr felt, and I felt Dwayne had a relationship to that as well. And it was something that like, okay, this is something that I want to explore. I want to feel what he feels like. And so that's why with the movie, I felt let's, let me give you what the life was like. And I'm going to give it to you in all of its realness. And then hopefully you can take the clues from the stuff that happens in his life, Mark's life,
Starting point is 00:27:15 and then come to a realization at the end of the movie about life, you know, that like maybe things can be really bad, but you'll be okay. You know, like life, we're alive and isn't that great? Sure. And I mean, that's what's interesting about this film. What you just said is that to me, I mean, on the surface, it looks even the title, the Smashing Machine, you figure it's going to be a fight movie. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:39 And it's more like a character movie that happens to be about this guy who fights. Yeah, because, like, I had done a lot of boxing. I was going to play a boxer in something. And so I said, well, I got to learn how to do that. And so I got into a boxing game, did sparring, got my ass kicked, and I loved it. So I was, thank you very much. And somebody's like, you want to do it again? I'm like, yes.
Starting point is 00:28:02 And there's really no explanation. to that. I don't know what it is. Something about it makes you feel alive. The bad part is forgetting words, but that's... That's... Yeah, brain damage is the downside. But the... I don't even know where I went.
Starting point is 00:28:17 I'm wrong with that. See? I saw whatever that was. But basically, what I realized is I got close to some of these fighters and I would go and see them fight. And what made it so exciting to me was win or lose, I was connected to the person inside the ring. So that's what the movie is. So that's what the
Starting point is 00:28:34 movie I try to do is I try to put you in a place of deep connection with Mark so that when he gets in the ring, you feel the butterflies or you feel the weight of everything he has outside of it. So you understand this is what it's like to be a fighter. I wanted it to be very truthful in that way. Sure. I mean, it is truthful and it is super engaging. I mean, I would say almost in a surprising way.
Starting point is 00:28:57 But what's also cool is that you actually, aesthetically, the movie looks cool. And as someone who, I mean, just not to cast aspersions here, but like, I think the MMA world is sometimes kind of tacky looking. Yeah. You know, like it gets a little, these guys aren't known for their aesthetics a lot. Well, that's, but the thing is, is Mark was very aware of how he wanted to present himself. Sure. You know, he got a really expensive suit for his press content.
Starting point is 00:29:24 He wears this sick Nautica yellow sweater. Yes, yes, yes. You know? No, he was street with him. I'm saying how you shot this movie. Oh, yes, okay. versus how, like, let's say, a certain MMA company.
Starting point is 00:29:35 I know exactly what you mean. If they were to make this movie, yes, it would be very different. It would be very different, and some would say shitty. Okay. And to that point, I wanted, so I chose 16mm to shoot this, to shoot this on, because aesthetically it has a feeling.
Starting point is 00:29:52 Everybody remembers what 2000 feels like. It's a very close time period, but it's actually a long time ago. So what I wanted to do is I wanted to evoke what that feels like. And how do you do that? And it's with sound, it's with music, the songs that are playing on the radio,
Starting point is 00:30:07 but it's the way it looks. There's something about the way it looks that I just thought felt right. And I wanted it to look really nice. I wanted it to be lit well. We looked at all these photographs like Gary Winnegrant photographs. It was a very aesthetic thing.
Starting point is 00:30:22 So I'm happy you saw that. And a lot of old documentaries that were made on 16 millimeter, I think just deep down what that does is you watch something, that isn't shot on DV or digital. And you think, how did they do that? Because they're walking around with a film camera
Starting point is 00:30:37 that you know only has a certain amount of time in it. And yet they're there and they're editing it. And you think there's something else happening here. So we took that and we shot it on 16 millimeter, did a bunch of stuff to it to make it look the way it does. To get, because there's some grain that we wanted to get rid. Snapchat filled out, you just put it. Yeah, exactly, just throw that through
Starting point is 00:30:54 and then just like print it out. And then we said, but I wanted, the beginning of the movie starts out like a big YouTube video. So we shot it on the cameras that they shot those fights on. Oh, you actually got the... So then we go from there, so you're watching it on YouTube, and then it hard cuts to 16mm where it's clear but evocative of this kind of dream scape. And then we also use 65 millimeter for a section of the movie as well.
Starting point is 00:31:17 So you go through this journey of resolution, which sounds really exciting. Yeah, it is. It looks great, and the way you talk about film is so exciting. And I don't know if you have any kind of like perspective. on this idea that kind of American cinema is kind of in a downslope in terms of quality and storytelling and whatever. Do you agree with that? Is that just, oh, so you do agree with that? I don't know. I don't know. Because sometimes we have like nostalgia bias. Oh, yes, that's true. We tend to think that it was always better back then. For sure. And I got to ask a few people from
Starting point is 00:31:52 that school of filmmaking. Was it better back then or we just, you know, and they said they didn't really feel that way, you know. Well, I think it's harder because now it's like, there's so much out there and there's so much stuff to watch that it gets overwhelming. And so what do you do to break through in that? And then you bring in AI and all this stuff and it gets even more complicated. So to me it's just about humanity. You have to focus on emotions and human beings because we're here.
Starting point is 00:32:20 You know, like this is like what's important? This is such an AI right now. Is it? Okay, I didn't know. You can always tell. But I just think that that's the thing, is like focusing on stories that you can kind of get into. And for this, I really wanted it to be like, really get into the emotional vibe of the whole thing and feel these fights and really just kind of like
Starting point is 00:32:42 take it to another level. And that's what movies do, but I wanted to just really make it feel like it was really happening, even though everything is telling you it's not. Right. Well, hey, I mean, you definitely succeeded in doing that. You make it sound so easy, but, you know, it's about telling stories, but everyone tries to do that.
Starting point is 00:32:58 And very few people can accomplish it, and you did with this film. Thanks for making it. Oh, thank you. I'm having a hot into it. And thanks for coming on the show. Thanks for great. The Smasher Machine will be in theaters nationwide, October 3rd.
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