The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Trump's SCOTUS Immunity Play & GOP Walks Back IVF Stance | Rex Chapman

Episode Date: March 1, 2024

Michael Kosta dives into the uncertainty of IVF following an Alabama Supreme Court ruling and a proposed FDA plan to label “healthy foods.” Also, Desi Lydic joins to discuss the Supreme Court’s decision to delay ruling on Trump’s immunity –– which is totally not politically motivated or anything. Dulcé Sloan stops by and dubs February 29 as “Black Women’s History Day,” a time to honor Black female history makers like Dr. Shirley Jackson, Kamala Harris, Lisa Leslie, and her own mom. Plus, former NBA player and “Owned” podcast host Rex Chapman sits down with Michael to discuss his new memoir “It’s Hard for Me to Live With Me,” which covers his time as a basketball star, his relationship with his father, and the road to recovery from addiction. He also shares his advice for young athletes and those struggling with addiction.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Supreme Court blocks democracy. Republicans scramble over eggs and Doolsay Sloan creates a brand new holiday. Let's get into the headlines. Let's begin with a debate over in vitro fertilization. Last week, the Alabama Supreme Court threw the future of IVF into doubt by ruling that frozen embryos, that are less than a tenth of a millimeter, by the way, are legally humans. And I'm sorry, but if you could pass through a spaghetti strainer, you're not human. And now Republicans who've spent years and years insisting that every embryo is touched by God are suddenly saying, oh what we didn't

mean in a way that makes us unpopular. All the GOP's top brass are now trying to scramble to get on the side of supporting IVF. The Republicans sent a campaign arm jumped on the issue by sending out this memo on Friday, urging that, quote, it is imperative that our candidates align with the public's overwhelming support for IVF treatment. House Speaker Mike Johnson also came out in support of IVF treatment and called it a blessing for many moms and dads

who have struggled with fertility. IVF is something that is so critical to a lot of couples. It helps them breed great families. Our country needs that. Okay. Okay, that's too far in the other direction. Did this guy just say, breed great families? Are you trying to run a country or get us into the Westminster Dog Show? This guy must really clean up at the nightclub. It's like, yo, girl, look, you've got those straight teeth and detached earlobes. I want to genetically pass that on to my litter.

But you know what? Better late than never. So now the Republicans are on board with IVF, I'm sure a little jump at the opportunity to pass a law to protect it. A Republican senator has blocked the passage of a bill to protect access to in vitro fertilization nationwide. Senator Sidney Hyde Smith in Mississippi objected to the measure's approval yesterday. The bill before us today is a vast overreach that is full of poison pills that go to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to pass. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tip. Ia. tipe. tip. today. tip. today. tip. today. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the measure's approval yesterday. The bill before us today is a vast overreach that is full of poison pills that go way too far, far beyond ensuring legal access to IVF.

It would legalize human cloning. It would legalize gene-edited designer babies and lift the federal ban on the creation of three-parent embryos. It would legalize the creation of human animal chimeris. First of all, chimeras? I don't know how to pronounce that word, but I know it's not that. And secondly, you're not going to protect IVF because you're worried that someone might put

like a human head on a giraffe's body. Why on earth would you want to stop that? That sounds awesome! I can be eating a tree right now, you know? Republicans are treating IVF the way I treat reading books. I'm always like, oh I'm going to read so many books this year. I love reading, but when it actually comes time to read, I'm like, p-p-n't for me, you know? And to be clear, none of this stuff that that center was warning us about is real. They're just looking for excuses to ban IVF, which to me is crazy. Why would you want to criminalize one of the only the only the only the only cause? Trust me, I've tried jacking it for leukemia and people were not happy. Let's move on. I don't know about you guys, but I eat food. Do you eat food?

You guys have food? I knew you ate food, but when I'm at the grocery store, I can never figure out which foods are actually healthy. You know, this one is low fat but, thia thia thia thia thine thine thic thic thic thic thic thic thic thi thi thi thi, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I've th, I've thi, I've th, I've thi, I've thi, I've th th th th thi, I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I've I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I I I I I I I I I, I I I I I I I I I, I I I I, I I've th, I've th, I've th, I've th, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thri' thi, I've theeat theat theat theat theat th theat theat thrieat thriv' thriv' thriv' thi, I've ate food, but when I'm at the grocery store, I can never figure out which foods are actually healthy. This one is low fat, but high in sodium. This one has vitamin C, but also polymonofibers? Now I'm staring at ingredient labels until the store closes. I'm trapped inside. My wife finds a new husband to breed with.

It's a mess. But luckily, the FDA is coming to the rescue. The FDA potentially potentially potentially potentially potentially potentially potentially potentially potentially potentially potentially potentially potentially potentially potentially potentially the the the the the the the the the the the tolion, the FDA is coming to the rescue. The FDA potentially rolling out a new logo as soon as this year. For companies to stamp on food packaging, they say it would clear any confusion on what products actually should be considered, good for you. Right now only 3% of foods are currently allowed to claim their food as healthy. Wait, what? Just 3% of foods qualify as healthy? God please hope that fruit roll-ups are in that 3%? God please hope the 3% percent. But yeah, the FDA is

going to make a logo to help people choose healthy foods, which, you know, good luck with that. This is America. It's a victory if we can get people to unwrap things before eating them. But I believe we do need a logo identifying healthy foods. I just don't think it should be one of these boring-ass options. Am I trying to have breakfast cereal or do tax prep? If you want people to eat healthy foods, you've got to make the logo look cool, like Jordan holding broccoli. And finally, let's talk about a major update in the ongoing battle between Donald Trump

and Karma. He's on trial right now for trying to overthrow the government, a pretty big faux paw. But recently, his lawyers threw out a Hail Mary legal claim that says he's immune from being charged for anything he did while president. And now his buddies on the Supreme Court are saying, yeah, maybe. This morning, the US Supreme Court handing Donald Trump the gift of time.

The justices agreeing to decide whether the Republican frontrunner should be immune from federal charges, because his attempts to reverse the 2020 election happened while he was still in office. We will never give up, we will never concede. In a one-page order, the high the high the high the high the high the high the high the high the high the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their tho. the. the, the, the, maybe the, maybe the, maybe the, maybe, maybe, maybe maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. t. t. t t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. te. t. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. while he was still in office. We will never give up. We will never concede. In a one-page order, the high court saying it will hear arguments in the case the week of April 22nd. But with no firm date for its final ruling, the prospect of a federal criminal trial being completed before the November election, becoming increasingly unrealistic.

Legally speaking, his strategy has long been to delay, delay, delay, delay. Here he gets help in doing that from the highest court in the land and there's nothing anybody can do to stop it. I cannot, f-hitting, believe this. This dude, he's slipping out of everything. Is he some sort of human eel chimera? You know, he started this, he started his campaign with four different cases against him, and he's going to run out the clock on all of them.

There's the stolen documents case, he got a Trump-friendly judge, the Georgia case has been completely sidetracked by two of the prosecutors fucking each other. Now the January 6 case is getting delayed due to a legal theory that nobody thinks is legit except for maybe the judges he hired. The only case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case case the the the the the the the th. Now th. Now th. Now th. Now th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that nobody thinks is legit except for maybe the judges he hired, the only case that might be finished before the election is the Stormy Daniels case and based on the way things are going I bet that judge is going to get a fucking stuck in a Venus fly trap or something I don't know. You think with so many cases against him one of them would stick but he's actually using that to his advantage saying he needs to delay the cases the cases the cases to delay to delay to delay the cases to delay to delay the cases to the cases. to the the has time to prepare for the other ones. It's like when Arnold Schwarzenegger is getting attacked by two guys and he

bonks their heads together and they're both out for the rest of the movie. For more on the Supreme Court, delay, we go live to Washington DC with our very own Desilitic. DeGy, election day isn't that far off. How soon do you think the Supreme Court could rule on this? Well Michael, that depends. When is election day? November 5th. They'll rule on November 6th. So this is purely political?

No, it only looks entirely that way. But you have to remember how complicated this issue is. The justices have a very difficult legal question to answer. Can the president break the law anytime he wants? Hard to say. Hard to say. You know, constitutionally speaking, can he burn down the White House for insurance money? Can he set a bomb on a bus that'll detonate if the bus goes below 50 miles per hour? Can he stick his penis in a barrel of warm coffee beans at Whole Foods?

These are not easy questions to answer. Yeah, aren't they though? I mean, to me, all these cases seem pretty open and shut. Okay, did you go to Harvard Law School? No. Well, I did to use their bathroom once. And because I have that legal background, I understand that these things take time.

They're going to need two weeks to read briefs, another two to debrief. Then you need a silent retreat from the briefs, you re-brief, lots of stretching and hydrating, and then it's July, which of course is French American Heritage Month, and that is very sacred to Justice Brett Cavanaul-huh-oh-oh-oh-oh. I think he's Irish. Here's the thing. There has to be some way to get this decided before the election. Can't they work around the clock? Democracy is hanging in the balance.

Okay, but what about the other balance? Work-life balance. Grind culture is killing all of us. I mean, look at me. One minute I'm reporting from the Middle East, and the next to flying to D.C. to stand here in front of this very real Supreme Court. I'm exhausted and that's all on top of my cardiology practice. You're a doctor? I used a lot of med school bathrooms, yes.

Look, the point is the justices are human beings like the rest of us with full lives. They need time for things like being with their families, traveling in their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their beings like the rest of us with full lives. They need time for things like being with their families, traveling in their Winnebago, keeping Donald Trump out of prison, playing golf. Wait, wait, what was the last thing you said? Golf, they love golf. Okay, legal expert, Desi Leidic, everyone. Did she say?

When we come back, Duluté Sloon will be joining me at the dance. Don't go away. Keep in Donald Kirst. Keep in Donald Kirst. Thank you. about my new podcast, The Weekly Show, coming out every Thursday. We're going to be talking about the election, earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out

on Thursday? Listen to the Weekly Show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back to the last day of black history months, so to get her thoughts, we turn to an actual black expert, Dulce, Sloan. Hello, friends, today is February 29th, which is Leap Day and Black Women's History Day. And if you don't know that, it's because I just made it up. Why? Because the rest of February is taken. Dr. King gets two weeks, the presidents get a three-day weekend, and they even give a day to a ground hog. What the hell is a groundhog?

That's not any... Is that even a real animal? Are we sure? Isn't it just a big-ass guinea pig with a good publicist? So I'm claiming February, so I'm claiming February 29th for us. Yay! Yay! Why, only one day every four years? Because you account for, you know, the wage gap and your mom and them, you know, the math works out, okay? Trust me, I carried the four and everything. But the day is almost over, so let's celebrate some black women as fast as we can.

Okay, throw a clock on the screen. Wait, no, that looks like a shot clock. This ain't the NBA? No! Make it historical. Is that a cuckoo clock? Oh, you try to say black women are crazy? The nerve, the unmitigated girl.

Okay, just put up any clock. Oh, hey says? Okay, I like her. She. Oh, hey, sis? Okay, I like her. She's black, and she looks like she don't take no shit from nobody. Okay, let's celebrate some black women. Start the clock. Okay. Shirley Chisholm, incredible Congresswoman, chosen her way into history

by being the first black woman to run for president for a major party in 1972. She spent 14 years in Congress representing Brooklyn. And I mean Brooklyn, Brooklyn. Spike Lee, Brooklyn. Not Lena Dunham, Brooklyn. If you thought Biggie had a tough time making money, imagine going door to door in bed style asking for campaign contributions.ough time making money. Imagine going door-to-door and bed style, asking for campaign contributions. Donations, raise money.

Donations, raise money. Y'all was offbeat, that's all right. Listen. Next. Dr. Shirley Jackson. Ooh, another Shirley. The first black woman to earn a doctorate from MIT. She helped innovate touch-tone phones portable fax machines, and caller ID.

She's the only reason long distance relationships work. So every time you use your phone, pour a little Wi-Fi out for your girl, Shirley. Next up, Missy Elliott. For proving that black women can make a hit song while singing forwards and backwards. It's your finn' a whipin' the thin' whiping you and idiot? Is that how you say that? Missy, we salute you. You salute we missy. See that's backwards, okay? Look at your girl, all right?

I'm doing it! Next! Okay, we got an auntie in the White House. Yes, Ms. Kamala Harris. First female VP and one bad bike ride away from being president. Listen, I'm just saying, if Huffy Bikes really wanted a female president, loozen some chains at the factory. Y'all could make history.

Help us out, come on. Next. May Jemison, the first black woman in space in 1992, what took so long? And that makes sense, because in the 90s, black people were doing whatever they could to get the farthest away from the LAPD. So you saying I could go to outer space, why these cops stay on earth? Oh, I'm gonna take it, I'm gonna take it, come on, let's go, let's go.

And the most amazing thing is that she came back. That's never a guarantee, but girl, why? There's a black woman on Family Matters that went upstairs and never came back down again. Next, Lisa Leslie! A basketball legend who was the first woman to dunk in the NBA. That's right, she can dunk, which is way more impressive because when women do it, we do it with titties. It slows you down.

She changed the game. Like me, every time I play Uno with my five-year-old nephew. Drive four, draw 17. Uno! Ha! In your face, Declan. Next! Hey, it's my mommy!

Hey, everybody, look at my mama! Hey, everybody, look at my mama! She's out there everyday giving, serving, loving, and I mean literally mothering me. And, you know, she made, you know, she made me, she, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, the, th, th, th, th, the, the the the, the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, thee, the thee, thee, the, th giving, serving, loving, and I mean literally mothering me, literally mothering, and you know, she made me. You're welcome. You know what? That's not bad. I'm surprised I was able to cover that many people.

That's okay. You know, we can celebrate even more black women in 2028. So... Ha ha ha ha ha ha. That's not going to be an earth then. Ha ha ha ha ha. That's very fair. Dual-Say Sloan, everybody. When we come back, Rex Chattin, we'll be joining me on the show.

Don't go away. That was great. John Stewart here, unbelievably exciting news. My new podcast, The Weekly Show, we're going to be talking about the election, economics, ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. Welcome back to The Daily Show. My guest tonight is a University of Kentucky basketball legend and an NBA shooting star who has written a memoir called, It's Hard For Me to Live With Me. Please welcome Rex Chapman. All right.

Thank you. Good to try to that. Thank you. Thanks, for having. All right. All right. All right. All right.

this book. you lay it out. You are, I know you from basketball. Some people know you from social media. You have a podcast. In this book you talk about your addiction, your recovery. How difficult was it for you to write that? People have been telling me I should write a book for a long time. I never really understood why.

And then Seth Davis, the guy who co-wrote the author who co-wrote the book with me. I've known Seth a long time. He called me up. I had a level of comfort that I don't know that I had with a lot of other people. And we started the process. We started it probably I was I told somebody today I think it was like two years ago it was like four years ago because yeah about a year in sets that hey man I've got another project that's kind of time sensitive do you mind I said no I don't like talking about this anyway so I take all the time you want I said sure what is it he said well it's sister Jean who's a hundred and four th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I's th th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th th. I th th. I th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's the the th. I's the the th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm the. I'm the. I'm theeeeeat thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm sure what is it he said well it's sister Jean who's a hundred and four years old and I laughed I said that's the sweetest thing ever that you

think I might outlive sister Jean. So anyway there we are. Man I resonated with so much of this you're incredibly honest. One of the things that jumped out at me was you broke the rules and oftentimes the law a lot before kind of the big bottom. I mean there was cheating in school, there was cheating on your girlfriend. That's not against the law. No, right. There was driving with a suspended license. There was breaking tons of curfews. I mean, every single rule breaker. But then it really seemed like it all crashed in 2014 when you get arrested for stealing from an apple store Is that right? No, not you okay, but I mean

By the way I didn't just bring you out here to tell you all the shit you did that Yeah, I'm asking a question then I should probably get to it The perks of being an athlete and being a successful.. th. th. th. th. th. th. I???? th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thus. I thus. I thus. I thus. I thus thus th. It's th that that thi that that that that that that that that that that that th I should probably get to it. The perks of being an athlete and being a successful athlete, is that what allowed you to? I think so. I was just talking about it in the green room really with Larry Hughes, my Simon & Schuster guy. My last two years of high school, I have dyslexia and I didn't know any of that though. I just knew higher math and science and all that stuff. I would sort of check out like, how are you guys getting this? This is not easy. And then I'm being told it's kind of common sense. And I just kind of, I quit. I'm not going to be a math teacher.

Why do I need to know this? And so that was, and then I'd cheat. But my last two years of high school, I just left school early after lunch. And because I was a good basketball player, like even in high school, well, they can't afford to sit me. Right. What kind of craziness is that? But I left. And the only time I got in trouble, assistant principal called me in one day after school. And I thought I've done this and I

thought I was in trouble and he said listen Rex I don't mind you going home after lunch right but don't be washing your car out there when the school buses are coming by in the after-point. This also shows just how good you were a basketball. Well because you know maybe I could put up seven points but if I skip school they're like hey Costa you're not that good. Just how good you were a basketball. Because you know, maybe I could put up seven points, but if I skip school, they're like, hey Costa, you're not that good. Yeah, but listen, man, you played tennis and you played it at a very high level. That's right.

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the best thing but I only did that once. But but as as I read this it, man you worked hard. You know you were going at night yeah but you were getting a key to the gym at night yeah and having you and your buddy and have him rebound for you I mean you you might have been a rule breaker no I that was the only thing that I had that was the only thing I felt like I could control yeah and no I I worked at it. I was obsessed by it. I told someone earlier, I used to wake up at midnight on the East Coast.

Yeah. I'd fall and sleep. Wake up just in a sweat thinking, my guy, Gerald Madken, somebody I know out in LA, my grade. He's at the park right now. It's nine o'clock. Let me go to bed. Like obsessed like that. Somebody's working harder and I can't allow

that. So that same level of commitment, that stubbornness, that anxiety overworking, how do you, does that help you in recovery? Or in a way is it like, is it hard to go to recovery because I'm a bad mother-f to-f th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. I th. I thin. I'm thin. I'm thin. I'm thin. thin. thin. thi. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to-s. to-s. to-sieger. I can beat this. I know I can beat this. I think that's probably the mindset that got me there. Right. You know, I for sure went through, you know, very first when I started taking Vicodin or OxyContin, I just remember one day very vividly thinking, oh, shh, can I cuss. I think, I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I know I know I thi. I know I know I know I think I know I thi. I thi thi thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I that's that's that's thi. I thi. I thi. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I know th. I th. I know thi. I thi. I know think. I think. I think. I think. I think. I think. I think. I think. I think. I think. I think. I think. I think think think think thi. I think th very vividly thinking, oh, shh, can I cuss? You can cuss. I think I already, I already said all of it. Okay, I thought to myself, oh, fuck shit.

Right. No, I thought. You played against Michael Jordan. Yeah, I've heard it all. But I was thinking, all of a sudden heard it all. I was thinking all the sudden, you know, I was taking this medicine. It was saying take it once every whatever. All this and where I'm making that call all the sudden one day it just flipped where that medicine was telling me when to take it. Yeah. And before I know it all I was only supposed to take three today. Now I'm to four. And now I'm the I'm the I'm the the I'm the the. the. the. the. the. the. the, I'm the, I'm the, I'm the, I'm the, I'm. the, I'm. the, I'm. the, I'm. the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. the, I'm. the, I'm. th. the, I'm. th. th. th. th. tod. tod. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm today. I'm to take three today. Now I'm to four, and now I'm to five.

And then I'd get to seven or eight, and I'd go, this is an issue, man. And I'd cut it down to four or five, and then guess what? Maybe an argument or whatever. And then, I'm, fuck this. And then that was, from the time thi that was, from the time I was 15 or 16 year old, though, I started having some depression and whatnot and really started coping that way then. Because I didn't know how to cope, I would, well, sneak off to the racet. I would sneak off to the racet all the time, bet horses.

That was what my dad and I always did. I just thought it was normal. He talks a lot about in this book not you know not just the pills but also a horse racing. Yeah that's my I liked basketball I love thoroughbred racing so. The only horses these people know are the ones at Central Park. Yeah I like those too. Let's talk about because as you're talking and you know you discuss before games in high school you always would would vomit as a nerve and then but then you also talked the to talk the the the to talk the the the the to talk the the the the the to talk the to the the the the the the the the the the to the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to their their their to to to to to to to to to their. their. their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I I. I. their. their. their. their. their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. I. th. I. th. I. I. th. I. I. th. I. I. I. th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. vomit. As a nerve, but then you also talked about how your dad who was a basketball coach would do this as well. See, this wasn't, yes, yes.

He used to be a coach and I would be in his locker rooms before games and he'd give his pep talk and then he'd go in the restroom, stick his fingers and throw up. And a lot of times it was dry heaves and I I I I I I I I I I'd th. th. th. thii. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. thi. I'd thi. thi. thi's got, thi's got, thi's got, thi's got, thi's, throat and throw up. And a lot of times it was dry heaves and I just hear him in there. But that was how you got ready for a game. I don't know if he did that when he played. I just know he did it. We never talked about it, but then I started doing it. their tea. their, puked

everywhere at mid-court. I mean big throw-up. And they cleaned it up. I felt like Superman after that. I was ready to go. And from that moment I was a regular puker. I pukeed every single game from third grade till my second or third year in the NBA. And then I was just like, and I would stick my f-akekeke th th th th to to th to th to th to th to th th to th th their the grade till my second or third year in the NBA. And then I was just like, and I would stick my fingers down my throat. Right. If I was playing bad, one of my teammates might be like, bro, did you stick your finger down your throat? Go in there and throw up. But I'm reading this.

I didn't realize that. That's crazy. This is anxiety, man. And it's also anxiety, your dad had a similar situation. And when did you face that? When? Out of rehab, last time, 2014. I've been clean for nine years. I'm not the model. I smoke marijuana. Yeah. I, yeah, but I use medical marijuana. I have a Coors Light from time to time.

Nine years clean from opioids. I think I really started delving. I hit raw. I was broke. I'd embarrassed myself, my family, my kids, my ex-wife, all of my friends, and my friends' kids that looked up to me. I felt like, man, if you're going to live, you better start tackling some of why you do the things you do.

Your dad is in here a lot. Yeah. Tough on you. I mean, one night time you scored 40 points, you come home, Dad's going to like me and he was mad that you didn't play better defense. And I played colleg teness ten tennis ten tennis ten tennis ten tennis ten tennis ten ten ten ten ten ten ten ten ten ten ten ten ten ten ten ten te to to to Yeah. And I played collegiate tennis. My dad sometimes I think you know if he would have been harder on me I could have been a better pro. And I'm thinking well which one is it I don't want that but I also wouldn't mind me a couple more bucks playing tennis right so what's the balance dude? I don't know. Okay. I don't know because to be honest. I to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the the the the the their. I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tea. I. I. I tea. tea. tea. I. I tea. tean. I. I the the the the, I like, I never in my life.

My dad played professional basketball, I played college. I never in my life. My whole life was on the floor with my dad playing basketball. He never rebounded for me. He never did any of that stuff. Also I didn't want him to do that. I was focused on what I was doing. I was watching his teams, watching

everything he did, listening to everything. I was absorbing it. And I think he knew that I was, I honestly think he knew that I would be too nice if and maybe fizzle out as a college player or whatever. He knew I had the talent. The problem is I I did very much similar things with my own son. Yeah, and he didn't have the same like talent. He was way tougher than I was right. But I treated him almost like my dad treated me. Sometimes I was I was better. But still I would I think that's what we're all trying to do. Little better than than than than than than than than than th than th than th than th than th than th. But it. But it. But it's. But it's. But it's. the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thea. the the theateateateateateateate. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the problem. the problem. te. te. teateateateauuu. teau. teau. teau. teau. teau. teau. thea. thea. thea. thea, I think that's what we're all trying to do. It's a hard balance. Little better than our parents. But it's a hard balance.

And no, I, becoming a professional basketball player was a dream come true and I, it's the one thing, my dad, like, as, it's complicated. I love him to death. I appreciate everything he's done for me. My mom, the same way. Are there some things I wish we'd have done differently? Yeah, who's not that way? I mean, my mom's here, you know? And, yeah.

There's a, there she is. And, and on Black Woman History Night. And, there's a, and on black woman history night. Yeah, that's right, yeah. And here's a list of things she should have done better. That's a joke. That's a joke. You know that, mom. Uh, what do you have to say to people listening who might be a middle school phenom in a sport or high school phenom in a sport? Everything's in front of them, it seems like, and there's a reality of this that you

have lived. What do you say to somebody who might be in the throes of addiction right now? Do you have a message or a thought? Man, I guess it's really just find somebody to talk to. I had so much pride that you know I was this King Rex type thing, this image, and I had so much pride about not living up to anything. I had all these secret you know insecurities and you know your pride can get in the way a lot and once you let that move a little bit then you can start to see a light at the end of

the tunnel. However, I also recommend therapy. If I would have been able to have therapy, like as a teenager, 18, 19 years old, I feel like, I don't know if it would have changed anything, but I know it I had a better shot of managing the stuff that goes along with being a popular and kind of famous athlete. That's a great message. Thank you for this book. I loved it. You're the man. Rex Chapman. It's hard for me to live with me. It's available now. Rex Chapman. We'll take a quick break. We're right back after this. Good. Thank you. So I'm so honest. John Stewart here. Unbelievably John Stewart here.

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