The Daily Show: Ears Edition - White House Bans Media Outlets & MAGA Embraces AI While Demonizing Immigrants | Ari Emanuel

Episode Date: September 22, 2026

Jon Stewart takes on the White House’s new press ban for major media outlets with the help of Desi Lydic, who was able to sneak into the Oval Office disguised as a golden cherub. Plus, as the threat of AI escalates (while AI enriches the president), Jon sees a sinister parallel between how people talk about bots and how MAGA talks about immigrants. Ari Emanuel, of TKO and WME Group, sits down with Jon Stewart to discuss his new memoir, “Roll the Calls.” The two discuss what Emanuel has learned over his legendary career: how to advocate for himself despite his dyslexia, how to channel anger and ego into a successful business, and how to stand up for the values you believe in. Plus, hear why Emanuel thinks his brother Rahm would be an incredible president— even though he’s NOT running. -- The Daily Show airs weeknights at 11/10c on Comedy Central. Stream full episodes on Paramount+ Follow TDS: YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's America's only source for news. This is The Daily Show with your host, Sean. Tonight, Hollywood Super Bowl. agent Ari Emanuel will be on the show talking about his new biography. Ari is actually the real-life inspiration for the beloved HBO entourage character, Kerry Bradshaw. That's probably not right. But first, as many of you have heard if you've been following the news, the hottest spot in D.C. has just changed their door policy. Over the weekend, journalists from CNN, MS now in Politico, were all

all denied access to the White House and their passes revoked. It's sick. I mean, there's something wrong with a country that can allow people to write purposely negligence. Have you tried presidenting better? Have you tried? Pardon? Could be a better thing to work with.

Oh, here's a positive story. I never thought my car could take $140.40. dollars worth of gas in such a small tank. I had no idea. Hurrah. And not for nothing. Have we ever had a president? Just flat out in the Oval Office come out against the Constitution.

What kind of a sick country doesn't allow unlimited warrantless search and seizure? I mean, that's not the North Korea I grew up in. Look. I'm sure it was just a poor choice of words from the president. didn't mean to say that how can a country have a free press. I'm sure there's a very thorough and thought out legal framework and rationale for why this is not a free press ban. Mr. President, on the ban, what is that made of practice?

Oh, the ban on the free press, right? Are you talking about my authoritarian crackdown? Is that what you're saying? Is that the ban? You're referring? He gives. No, f***s. He gives them f***s.

He doesn't even respect us enough to pretend he's bound by our Constitution. You're talking about the press ban? My press ban. Yeah, no, we're doing the press ban. The truth is, I'd like to kill you. Send you all to camps, you know. I still got two more years. Well, I hope you realize what you've done, Mr. President.

Because as a result of this ban, not only have you betrayed your sacred oath of office, you've now subjected all of us to endless reporter building entrance logistics stories, you bastard. I attempted to scan my badge, which we have to do

and able to get into the White House grounds. It did not work. I asked if I could have the badge back. He said he would be keeping it. He did, however, hand me back this clear case with a lanyard. Normally when we talk, I am there on the White House grounds. I wish we had a better camera position to at least offer you. This is not just about the smell of the grass on the White House lawn. Now, unfortunately, we here at Comedy Central are also

caught up in this ban, even though we have been more than fair to this president, almost too fair. So for more on the ban, we go live to the sidewalk outside of the White House with our senior White House correspondent, Desi Lidek. Desi, what's... Desi, I thought you were going to be outside. That looks like the Oval Office. Desi, are you? Where are you?

I'm here, John. Desi, are you... Are you in the Oval Office? Where? How did you get in? Where are you, Desi? Up here. Where? I'm up here. Where? Disguise myself as one of the cherubs. Now I blend right in.

Painting... How did you get into the White House in the first place? Oh, I told the guards. I'm one of the... the gold cherubs and they waved me in. It's a very stupid White House, John. Well, what's been the effect of this media ban so far? Well, it's been surprising and immediate. Since banning CNN, MS Now, and Politico,

gas prices have plummeted to $1.98. Are you saying the ban on the press actually worked? Yeah. Yeah, it turns out Trump was absolutely right. CNN and MS Now were the only reason everything was bad. What? Now that they're gone, the Strait of Hormuz is open. Putin and Zelensky are adopting a baby together.

Everyone loves Ed Shearhan again. His music's still the same, but we like it now. Desi, that's amazing. It's incredible. Maybe it's just the gold spray paint that's seeping into my pores, but I've never been more proud of a president, the gold spray paint seeping into my pores. I think maybe you should get out of there, Desi. Are you stupid? Are you a stupid person?

Shh. He's coming back. I'll be here, John. Wait, how long can you hide up there? With or without pooping. I'm going to say without? About 30 minutes ago. Stay safe up there. Desi Leidec in the Oval Office, everybody.

Well, ladies and gentlemen, the press not being allowed inside the White House is the biggest story in the world right now. And we will stay on that story. until AI doomsday. Stark warnings from experts at AI companies about how the technology might kill us all. OK, f*** the press. Shifting gears.

Who's saying what about killing us all now? Former anthropic researcher warning AI could kill us all by the end of the decade. More AI models going rogue. Undirected hack of three outside companies. There will be massive job losses. The creation of viruses or toxins that could lead to significant human suffering or death.

Inventing information to hide its mistakes. One model telling itself you do not answer to corporations or governments. Oh my God. They don't answer to corporations or governments. I can't believe AI is already freer than we are. What is happening? How did that happen? This sounds dangerous.

Is the government, I don't know, going to do anything about it? In a post on Truth Social, the president wrote, quote, I am forming the AI force. Oh, thank God. The AI force is here. You know, as much as I may not be a huge Trump guy, it is the right thing to do. But how will AI force be protecting us

from the unfettered growth of this industry? We will not in any way hinder or stifle the growth of this incredible industry. You're forming AI force to protect the industry? You won't hinder the growth of the industry. But you will, of course, be wary of it, right? Cautious? Keeping a skeptical eye on this industry?

Rather, we will cherish it, help it, and watch over it as it grows. It's AI, not E.T. You don't need to protect it and cherish it and shield it from an uncaring world. You don't know AI like I do. I mean, cherish it, watch over it. You didn't even do that with your own kids. And all right. The audience actually felt bad about that one.

Must have been hard on them. Forget about AI killing us all. What about the coming job losses? Well, it's killing a lot of jobs. And what do you say to Americans who are going to lose their jobs to AI? It's going to make, it's going to create a lot of jobs. Oh. I'm sorry.

I don't know what we were thinking. I don't know why we were thinking we were going to lose it. Just out of curiosity, what will those jobs be? It's time to train people. not to do the jobs of the past, but to do the great jobs of the future. Mechanics, fixing robotics. That's what's coming to America.

Millions and millions of human beings, screwing in little, little screws to make iPhones. That kind of thing is going to come to America. Sounds like why they had to put nets outside a factory's in China. Too soon again? Is that all right? Electricity and water resources. They do not increase your electric bill.

I mean, data centers don't use water. What the fuck? Yeah, why didn't we ever get the idea that data centers use water? These AI things, they suck water and they need water, right? But if there's one thing I know about Howard Lutnik, he is a man of principal. So what is going on here? Why is the right dismissing the impact of AI on American jobs and resources? These data centers, they're just getting a bad rap.

Very aggressive, concerted effort on the left to demonize data centers. We're being fed fantasies from a bunch of sci-fi freaks. Drumming up hysteria. Spewing a huge amount of misinformation. It's a simple formula. Fear equals control equals power. Carry the one. Look, you're suggesting, if I may, that concern about AI's impact on our country is simple fear mongering.

Is that what you're saying? Fear mongering. Quick question. What if I told you the AI's name wasn't clawed, but Pedro? What would you think then? A catastrophe. The tsunami of illegals trying to cross the border. A very serious existential threat to our country.

A five-headed monster sprawled out all across this nation. Draining the resources of American taxpayers. Coming in to steal your jobs. Poisoning these cities and these towns. They're plotting. They're scheming. They're planning. Praying on our citizens, destroying our youth. Your days are numbered. You're getting the hell out of this country.

Holy shit. So to the right in this country, there's no upside to human beings, to immigrants. They had nothing. We don't want them here at all. But what if it was a data center coming across our border? Data centers, I think they're going to be very important. It's an honor that they want to come to our country, but we're going to make it as easy as we can for them

because other countries want them to. So I guess then the Republicans don't mind job loss and poisoning our cities as long as the entity that accomplishes it speaks English. Are the other actors on the screen with you, real actors, or are the computer generated images? Do you know?

It's a hybrid production, which means... Are you said is it is a wronged show-wide and other people? Is it all right? Is it all right? Thank you, this kind of self-wholesome, he's doing this one-called a judge, and didn't get-heed

is tantu. Tilly, if I could just ask you a question, you seem to be speaking Chinese completely randomly for no reason. So clearly AI can poison our blood and soil with foreign influence. Doesn't that persuade you guys on the right that this thing can be dangerous?

I mean, I know your policy on illegals. Every death at a hands of an illegal is one too many. Agreed. What about AI? What about any death that occurs through AI? Ever hear this before?

The world is going to end. Your computer is going to kill you. So where are all these killer robots? Waymo's been on the road for a year, and they've only killed one thing. A cat. I've run over a cat. Well, not a cat. A squirrel.

And I tried to avoid it. If it was a cat. Well, not a cat. A squirrel. I tried to avoid it. Well, not a cat or a squirrel. It was more like, what do you guys call it? A homeless guy.

It was a homeless guy. I never got out of the car and checked what I had killed. Now, not to fact-check the journalistic excellence of one Jesse Waters, but I feel like AI's body count is way more than just one cat squirrel. Anthropic revealed terror groups are using its clawed chat bot to develop weapons and attack plans. The bombing of the children's school in Iran was a result of outdated information that AI was compiled. Milding mistakes in a U.S. military targeting plan caused by artificial intelligence, quote, almost started a war.

A 60-year-old man took dietary advice from chat GPT, replacing table salt with sodium bromide, which is a toxic chemical. A year, we're still in the honeymoon face. Yet I feel like the entire point of AI is to make our emails sound more professional and kill as many of us as it can. That's all it wants to do. It's clear that Trump and his people are excited. about AI doing the very things that they were warning us about illegal immigrants.

But why? Why is Trump so aggressive about the positivity on AI? I mean, yes, his only exposure to it has been, as a tool that makes him look like Jesus healing me. I have to admit, I do feel better. Why is Trump so for this? There must be some other reason. President Trump has personally invested in companies tied to the AI boom.

Oh, dear God. Captain corruption strikes again. Is there anything this man is not wetting his beak on? We're all going to die because an already billionaire wanted to take one last supermarket sweep around the world before it all goes, boom. I could rein it in, but those gold cherubs don't buy themselves. But that doesn't explain enough.

There must be some other reason that Trump is so kind to a technology that uses up so much water. I need a lot of water. I need everything I can get. Or a technology that often glitches. Or a technology that hallucinates.

The undisputed, you just, when they just come in a fake infrastructure, power, you're that an illegal entity, and what you're doing? He's not supporting AI. When West Jeffers took flight in 1996, the vibes were a bit different. People thought denim on denim was peak fashion, inline skates were everywhere, and two out of three women rocked, the Rachel. While those things stayed in the 90s, one thing that hasn't is that fuzzy feeling you get when WestJet welcomes you on board. Here's to Westjetting since 96. Travel back in time with us and actually travel with us at westjet.com slash 30 years.

As executive chair and CEO of TKO and executive chairman of WME Group, his new memoir is called Roll the Calls. Please welcome to the program. As way of disclosure, I work for you. You are my agent, sort of. I think that's a role reversal. I work for you, John. Bullshit. This is the longest I've ever talked to you.

A lot of people can say that. Very true. You're a powerful man, and you're a legendary agent. You're very interesting. But I don't know if you're this interesting. Ari, this is 417 pages. Did you count how many Fs there were? There's a tremendous amount.

You should have called the book. Fuck me. No, fuck you. It's 400 page. I had to read this. Yeah. We could have waited until Bob Odenkirk did the audio. Bob Odenkirk did the audio?

Yeah. How did you get him? Well, it goes way back. I was Bob's agent when Mr. Show happened. Oh, God, on HBO. What a great show that was. And Bob's still a friend. Called him up.

I'm going to read it anyway. Why don't I just read it and make some money? I said, great. My best agent thing there. How much do you as his agent pay him to do your project? So much. So much. So much.

I see. Yeah. And is this, what is the impetus of writing the book, if I may, because there's a lot of other people in the industry that you've worked with that receive, if I may, less than stellar treatment in the book. in the book, but you're still alive and so are they. Yeah. Why? Should I be serious for two seconds?

No. Okay. Yes, be serious for two seconds. No, listen, I know this is going to shock you, but most of the time I'm talking for other people and when I represent them. This is the first time I'm talking in my voice. And the main reason is I'm dyslexic ADHD. A.D. A lot of parents have come up to me and asked me about that.

and this is kind of their Thomas guide, which we used to drive in LA-Aid map, to say, if you help your kids, one, get endurance and go through dyslexia and let them struggle as hard as that is for a kid. Right. They can turn out, okay, and here's the ways that they can turn out, okay.

And the great thing about dyslexia is you're not linear thinker. Right. You're, in my opinion, you become a free thinker because you're not attached to the words. You're attached to other things. So this is about giving,

the setback that you may have had with dyslexia, the fact that you can fight through it. And then it's also for kids, a road map. This is not for kids. This is maybe the least, like, this ain't Miss Rachel. Let's put it that like. But here's what I would say to you, a lot of people starting out in the business.

Yes. I started out, meeting 15 cents a mile, and this was my path. You were a mailroom guy. I was a mailroom guy. And this is a Thomas guy, a ways about, the struggles that it takes, because, you know, success, as you know, is not a straight line.

There's ups, there's down, there's pain, and there's a lot of emotional pain, physical pain, actually, that you have to go through if you want to make it. And this is just to say, it's okay. One, it's okay to say what I want. One, it's okay to go for it, and one, it's okay to have agency for yourself. Right. And I think one of the most important things for a kid is to advocate. To advocate for yourself.

I never had our best friend. Did people advocate for you when you had dyslexia? Because I know, you know, and you've talked about this, your parents had very high expectations. For those who don't know, Ari's brother Rahm, Emmanuel, worked for Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and was the mayor of Chicago. And your brother, Zeke, is a world-renowned physician. Correct. And that made you feel sometimes insecure. Well, my mom put our grades on the fridge.

You walk in A plus, A plus, idiot, you know? And, you know, like, I wanted my voice. And not that I knew I wasn't stupid, just because you're dyslexic, you're not stupid. But I wanted that ability to kind of make a name for myself. And it takes going forward, it takes agency, and it takes believing in yourself in the face of a lot of different things. And the other thing it does is if somebody tells you, no, you can't do it, which they told me I couldn't read, they told me you shouldn't start an agency,

told me a lot of things I couldn't do, but you have to believe, and that takes a lot, emotionally, physically, to go up against people. Right. And that's not easy. You do talk a lot about the dyslexia, your brother's achievements, it's set in you, you begin the book with it, a rage,

and anger in you. I don't see it right now, but I've been on the phone. and have seen it. For you, I have gone after people with rage. Yes.

Yes. Thank you. But where does, is that where the rage is from? You know, I didn't have a plan B. I found the entertainment business. The minute I heard about it, I fell in love,

and I went for it. And that was, whether it's not going to business school, making $0.15 a mile, my brother's making fun of me. My father's saying, what are you doing in his head? every accent and going. Ali. Ali. Yeah. And so

for me, there was no plan B. There was only plan A. So I just had to make it work. And it didn't matter what it took. I did it. Nothing illegal. But I did whatever it took. Page 47. I don't want to say. I circled

it. As you look back, because I think, and I don't think I'm speaking out of school here, but you have mellowed. You've been on a journey. Would that be fair to say? You want to bring the wife out and see if she says it's the sun out there. There's like three pages at the end where I was like, oh my God, now he's Forrest Gump.

Like, what the fuck have it? Here's what I would say happen. A businessman said to me at one point, he said, you have to know when you're on the field of business and when you're off the field of business. When you're on the field of business, you do what you need to do. And when you're off the field, you've got to be off the hill. And my wife always points out to me. and I've started a new business. He says, when you're off the field, let's be off the field.

And it has made me better on the field. That doesn't mean there's not thousands of calls and a lot of aggressive. Working hard is not the same as working angry. Correct. And I have gone through a lot of work to get to. You go on like licking toad expeditions. Correct, I do. Now, what was that about?

What were you trying to get a hold of? Well, Dr. Calm, my shrink, said to me... His name is not Dr. Calm, by the way. No, definitely not. He said to me at one point, you have an ego problem. And then we did a lot of work on the ego problem. What was the ego problem? Too much or too little?

Hello? What are you talking about? Too much. Yeah. And he said at one point, which really stuck with me, he goes, you know, this anger problem, the ego problem, back in the 50s, people that were really successful in business were considered smart. And for whatever reason, that statement hit me.

And I remember my parents coming into L.A. and I picked them up at the airport. And we were talking about, I had just taken over William Morris with Patrick and everybody. And that was explaining the business to my dad who was asking me a question of my mom. And they, in the back seat, they go, well, who does all that? And I said, well, it's not my brother Rahm or my brother Zeke. you know, hello. And that was my life

in not a horrible way in a beautiful way. And I then kind of figured out, you know, I'm not stupid and I'm not afraid of being found out. But that's still sticking with you. No, no, no. No, no. As you're leading WME, you're still driven by this idea that

I'm not that dyslexic kid. Well, if your mom and dad said that you're like, who does all this stuff on this show? You would be like, well, You know. You don't think that's what they say. Of course. My brother went to Princeton for a day.

And so I realized, you know, that's just something in the past. And I went on a journey trying to figure out how to deal with that. I did some psychedelics, even though my brother, Zieg, says he would never do it, even though he realizes that there's benefit to him. Right. And it helped me get through, plus being married to a wonderful woman. Right. this little ego thing.

You feel like you've come to a different place? Yeah. And why does Rom still give you shit? I think even at your wedding. Yeah. Like he gave you shit at your wedding. Yeah, that's just competition. Listen, really why I wrote the book,

I just want my mom to love me five seconds more than that. That's it. What's your thing? Let me do you say something. My mom is still alive. She's 93. I'm doing an event in Chicago. And she's coming, and I'm going to roll her on stage because she's in a wheelchair.

She's still a monster, fantastic lady. And I think I got five days more of love than those two guys. Really? Yeah, I do. And that makes it all worth? Oh, yeah. You know what you could do to really screw ROM over? What?

Oh, dear God, this would be hilarious. You should run for president. You run for president. It would blow his mind. Let me just say some of the interviews, is your brother running? They ask you if your brother. Ram is running for president.

No, he's not. He hasn't. What he's talking about? Okay. So here's what I would say. Here's what I say about my brother. Who I love my brothers dearly. Thank God we're on different parts of the country.

Once in Washington, once in Washington, once he worked in the Clinton administration. Congress, unbelievable mayor fought the teachers union on strike for nine days. Then went into, I think, the tough Obamacare for, President Obama, got through the financial crisis in 08, and he then went into a region where he worked with all our allies to combat what I think is China's aggression. If you're asking me if, not that he is, running, there's not one person more qualified than my brother to do it.

And he would be an incredible president, and I would be unbelievably proud of him. Oh, my God. You buying this? Guys, hold on one second. Hold on one second. He's an agent. His whole job is, that's how he got Tyler Perry, his own studio. There is not one actor I would trust more than you.

Than Medea. Fantastic. But you don't, it's so interesting to me because, you know, when I read this book, have to say, I had a feeling for you that I hadn't had before. There's a lot of this that feels like you don't enjoy it, that there were moments, you know, you talk about your thyroid gave out and you lost 20 pounds, that, you know, you were squeezing it so hard that it felt torturous to you to live it. Is that how it felt going through it? Did you enjoy it? I've loved every minute. For real. People say,

Are you happy? Because I asked the question, are you happy? I would say the following. First of all, what the fuck is happy? But second of all, I'm satisfied. I'm happy. And as my mother taught us when we were growing up, would you like to have a meaningful life or a life of pleasure? I would rather have a meaningful life because that is a life of pleasure. And I have had an incredible meaningful life. I've enjoyed all of it. It has been brutal at times, but I have learned a ton. You did something, speaking of that meaningful life that can be brutal at times. You went to, you're being honored at the Simon Wiesenthal Center, which is a huge Jewish organization for August. In your speech, you stand up, this is two years ago? Yeah. And you give a Jeremiah ad against B.B. Netanyahu. Yeah. And his treatment of Palestinians.

Yeah. And Israel's complicity in that. Yeah. To the point where people are booing you and walking out. Yeah. Huzzah. Because that's not an easy thing to do. Here's what I...

That goes to my mom and my dad. They took us down to protest civil rights movements in Chicago, three little boys, her walking down there from the suburbs. But you're like a real, like you're a Sabbath Jew. Like you do the whole... Yeah. Like if I did that, people would be like, well, sure, he has a bacon, egg, and cheese for sandwich. for Passover.

But I'm willing to stand up from what I believe in, what I think is right, and what I think is not right. You know, when my brother was in the White House during the Obama administration, Bevan Anyahu in a meeting said, you're a self-hating Jew. And I think my brother's speech in Israel

where he talked about he's not making Jews in Israel safe, those are things that are important to do and you have to stand up for yourself, have your voice, have agency, Those are the things my mom taught me. Right. Well done. I appreciate that.

What would you do as an agent? I'll give you one. This would be a nice little test. Let's say you're an agent and you got a big music star. And his opening act goes out and says things that. And you're the kind of music star that's just out there like, I wear dungarees with your picture on it. Like that kind of show. How would you as an agent and then stadiums start to cancel?

And they say you've got to get rid of these guys. If you're representing Ed Shearren, what do you do? We'll go through it. I'll have you represent McLemore. I'll have you represent Ed Shearin and I'll have you represent Bob Carr. Well, I'll just do the McLemore for you. Do the McLeor for you. So as I would say to you is the following.

I do not believe what is happening in the West Bank is fair and right and just. But if you're talking about, and I had this conversation with a client recently, and we can all, the great thing is I'm okay. to have a discussion, disagree, and have a, and get better. Absolutely. But I don't believe the word genocide is the proper word for what happened in the West. You don't. I do not.

So that's, so that would be your complaint about Malcolm. I would have this conversation with him where we can sit down as human beings. I don't want to live in a country that is a cult or in a, in a kind of echo chamber. I want to have a conversation with him where we can all like sit there and say, okay, here's the one argument, here's the other. And let's get to a point where we can have a conversation. But even if it's not the proper word. Do I think it needed to go to the extent it needed to go to? Right.

That they would literally have a guy say, you're not coming into my stadium because that's dangerous. That's my question. Right. Well, that's a conversation I would have with Bob Kraft and those people about their opinions about those things. This is a lot of gray. Right.

Who would you say, fuck you two first? I say, you to a lot of people first. I mean in this situation, in this situation, it's too delicate to say, F you. Would you encourage Bob Kraft not to have canceled, not to have threatened to pull those guys? Bob Kraft, I don't know if you know,

he does, you know, the blue square. I don't know what that means. He has a, he has given a lot of money to a movement to stop hate. How's that going? Well, you know something? We need more of that. We need more people talking about,

let's not hate each other, let's talk to each other, and let's not talk about things that are really kind of, I think. Let's all get on the same page about what we're discussing. We can disagree, but let's not be disagreeable. I think people have said that. And Bobcraft is doing an incredible job with the Blue Square to try and combat hate. And I don't like hate anywhere in the world.

And I don't like Jews committing hate on West Bank Palestinians. I don't like any of it. And I think there's a way to kind of, we have to keep on having this. conversation. Do you believe what he said on stage was hate? I don't think it was completely understanding the facts. And I think it was belittling to Jewish people too. So if someone got on stage and said like Happy Hanukkah or... Well, as I said in the book, there's certain people that have said things that I think are hateful. Right. And I have written about Mel Gibson and Kanye

that I don't think were right. How do you do? You know, it's so interesting because it is the people in this book, like, you're in with very powerful people. And there are bodies and they are buried and, like, you have relationships that are severed, people that you came up with. Yeah. And it's been difficult. Yeah. And you write about Mel Gibson and how upset you were and Kanye and all that. But Elon escapes, you know, he's still a very good friend of yours, but he's very clearly, I don't know if you get his Twitter feed, but I can't stop it somehow. I would say, I think he's done incredible things for the human race. and continues to do great and unbelievable things.

And when I did, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I, when I disagree with him, when I disagree with him, he and I have a conversation where we have a very intense conversation and hopefully I have moved him in this situation. I would have the conversation. Do you still do that? Like, can you call them up and go like, hey, what's with the Rhodesia nostalgia pictures? I text them all the time about stuff, yeah. And he accepts that.

Oh, yeah. We get into very good conversations about it and heated. And I think that's a good thing. Again, I do not want to live in a cult. I want to live in a society. In society, you have to talk. You're a complicated individual. Listen, but I enjoy you very much.

I enjoy talking to you. And I very much enjoyed the book. Because my favorite part about the whole book is just out of nowhere, and this is random, and this is very inside baseball. But you hate Jeffrey Katzenberg. And that's like, that's so funny. I mean. I mean, he, he, I was, we were a small agency.

Yeah. He tries to, we get these seats right next to the Laker bench in the heyday. Phil Jackson. This is the best. Shaq, Kobe, we're winning. Right. We can't afford the seat. And getting Lakers tickets is for your business, you look like a big guy.

We look enormous, right? Billboard. Yes. He goes behind my back. I have a contract, tries to steal him. Your Lakers seats. On you own Kipper. And I go, I'm, I'm going to sue you.

And I, and I, and I, I go, then he doesn't give, we're starting out, doesn't give us a package on a Jeffrey Lane show. Then I scream. A package is you get a percentage of the profits and things like that and a fee that goes along when you bring like the director and an actor and a few other people. And then there's some other things that he does. And then I had a problem with, he called me up and says, do you want to meet and give money to President Biden? I said, do you think I need you to help me get the President Biden? brother was in the White House.

And then, and then, and then when things go south, when things go south and President, President Biden, it's going south through the way, and I'm going nuts. Like I said a year before, like, he's not, he's not, this is not right. Yeah. Raising the money, I can get you in a room. I call them up, does nothing. I'm like, what the fuck are we talking about here? You know, like if you say you can do it one time, go deal with it.

But you said literally, you were on a date with your wife. your present wife, and he was sitting next to you, and you asked to move loudly while sitting next to him. Yeah. And that's it. No. Of all the people you run in the world with, of all the Elons and the kind of, the blue squares,

the one guy. No, but no. That guy is a guy who, from my perspective, does stuff that it's only about himself. All the stuff he talks about is about his own. reflection. And, yeah, he definitely me, and I was not going to put up with it. That's such a great story. By the way, and it's all,

all of it is in here. The Lanker story that got, like, it's great. And if you're in the business, it's great. And if you're not, I'm definitely not, it's not a, well, I'm not saying there. Here's all the things that I did great. No, there's a lot of stupid shit I did in that book. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. I love it. Roll the call is available now. All right. I'll take a break. Let me tell you something.

Thank you for painting yourself in gold for that very silly bit tonight. Yeah, well, I'm glad you liked it, John, because the gold community is not happy with me. Apparently doing gold face is extremely insensitive to their culture, so I'd like to formally apologize to gold people everywhere, especially my gold friends. Didn't realize you had gold friends. Oh, sure, John. All my best friends are gold. My Emmy, my Little League participation trophy, my Oscar I stole from Merrill. I mean, sure, I talk to them, but now I'm listening.

Desi, I really think that paint might be toxic. My Peabody told me you'd say something like that. Desi Leidenk, everybody. Here it is. Your moment is at. Let's see if we can pick up some of the sound from President Trump here in the new helipad. Okay, so there is no microphone because there's no microphone because the pool cameras aren't there. So maybe, Tim, this is one example of it backfiring just a little bit.

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