The Daily Show: Ears Edition - Zanny Minton Beddoes on the 2024 Presidential Election | Melissa Murray & Kate Shaw On Trump’s Fight For Immunity

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

Jon Stewart sits with Zanny Minton Beddoes, editor-in-chief of The Economist. They discuss President Biden's second term potential, Trump's lack of knowledge on NATO, and how both candidate's old age should keep them from running for president. Plus, Melissa Murray and Kate Shaw, co-hosts of the "Strict Scrutiny" podcast, join Jon to talk about how the justice system has been handling Trump's cases and the likelihood of him standing trial in the January 6th hearings. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey everybody, John Stewart here. I am here to tell you about my new podcast, The Weekly Show, coming out every Thursday. We're going to be talking about the election, earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday. Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart, wherever you get your podcast. You're listening to Comedy Central. My guest tonight, she's the editor-in-chief of the Economist.

Please welcome to the program, Zani Minton Beddoz. My guest tonight. She's the editor-in-chief of the Economist. Please welcome to the program, Zanni Minton Beadows. Breathe. Oh, lovely to see you. Oh, the chair's move. I hope you're all right.

I'm all right. I think it's all right. Oh, the chair's move. I hope you're all right. I was here nine years ago, we almost killed Jimmy Carter with the rolling chairs. He almost went all the way back. It swivels this way. It does swivel. We have the economy. This is your magazine. We have it. We brought it with us. I don't know if you can see that there. We're out there. And it's got a post it note in there for what the right page I have no idea why there's supposed to note in there I thought there was a centerfold that wasn't there

I don't know what was that well we're very much appreciated I wanted to ask you you know the economist wrote about some of Joe Biden's issues a year ago you wrote is he going to be up for the job in in the second term what were the concerns that you guys had that? th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that that that that that that that that that that that the the that that that that tho the the the there there tho there there tho there there tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho the th. the th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the that the the the the the the the the the the that that the the that that up for the job in the second term? What were the concerns that you guys had that? So we wrote after the midterms that he should not stand for a second term. And you know, when he came in, it was, he was hoping to be, he said pretty much, he said pretty much that he wanted to be a one-term president. He was the bridge candidate. He didn't say which bridge. It wasn't the Williamsburg bridge.

It's one of those bridges in Florida that go 30 miles. Absolutely. And I think we, after the midterms, we thought that it was time for him to kind of make that clear. He would have been, had he said he was going to be a one-o, a, a, a, a, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one, a one-a, a one-a, a to, a bridge, a bridge, a thri, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a to, a to, a to, a to, a to, a to, a thra, a thra, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge, a bridge-a, a bridge-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-to-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s.bridge-a-a-a-s.bridge's achieved an unbelievable amount for one term. But now we are where we are here and huge majorities of the American people, including huge majorities of Democrats, think he is too old for a second term. It's really alarming that the only person between us and the return of Donald Trump is a frail 81 year old. You said that like Baltimore. The return of Donald Trump. You know what it, look, it really worries me and it's, it may be. It, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thiorities, and huge the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their truea.uoooo.u.u. Huge truea.u.u. Huge truea.u. Huge truea. huge truea. huge. Huge tru like Baltimore to you said the return of Donald Trump. Look, it really worries me and it's maybe a little weird, but for those of us outside the US,

oh couldn't they say though, if you say I had a remarkable first term, what's to say I won't have a remarkable second term? He's 81 years old? What? You know? He's the same age pretty much as my father. I love my father dearly. My father's a wonderful man, but my father should be nowhere near the most important job in the world he probably never should have been.

But 81 year olds, 81 year old. He doesn't watch this thing, does he? Does he watch? This may be a little explanation we'll have to go on later. But he, an 81 year old, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, they is, th, they is, th, he is th, th, th, th, th, th, is, is, is they is, is th, is they is they is, is they is, is, is they is, they is, they is, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. thi, is their their, their thoo, their thooooooo, thooooo, thoooooooooooo, is th, is their, is th he, an 81 year old, you know what they're like at 81, you know what they're going to be like at 85. You know, time travels one way and people go in one direction at that age. Why are you looking at me like that when you say that? That seemed awfully personal. As you said at the beginning of the show, you're a good 20 years younger. You know you've got a long time still. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. the the the the the the the the times. times. times. the the time. the times. the time. time. time. time. the time. the the the time. time. time. time. time. time. time. time. time. time. time. time. It's is is, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t t ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. times. times. times. times. times. ti. t still. It's pretty interesting. But let me ask you, so there is obviously a press pool, there's a White House press corps, there's a certain amount of mystery that seems to surround this. All the people behind the scenes are saying, you don't know like we know, he's leading these meetings, he's unbelievable. I wish you could see it. But certainly,

there are press people that travel with the president. Surely, I have not seen people come out with first-hand accounts. They have not come out... With him founding a long air force, right? Or just said, I follow the president, I'm with him every day, he is unbelievably sharp, he's just camera shy, or whatever it is, but nobody is making those. It makes it seem conspiratorial. Yeah, and I think it's what is clear is that it is quite hard to get access to this president. He is very. shepherded around. He doesn't do very many press conferences, he doesn't do very many interviews, I assume that's for a reason. And I hear the same thing, you know, he's very sharp, he talks for a long time, he can outlast anybody in a meeting. I'm perfectly prepared to believe that on some subjects, that's true. Joe Biden knows a huge thoomomomomomomom is a thoom is a thoom is a tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thi, thi, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th. I is th. I is th. I's th. I's th. I's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theoomoomoomorrow, theo-a. thei. theiii. theii. theiiii. theiii. thei. I's thei. He is exactly the right person to have in the Oval Office, in the world as it is we have

today. And I'm sure on certain things he can go for hours and hours and hours. He can probably be in negotiations for a long time. But does that mean he should be president for another two terms? I think it's worrying. Now when you say he get one the world order is changing. And there is a part, you know, the economist is certainly, you know, it does represent a certain mainstream point of view or establishment. Well, actually, interestingly, we stand for good classic English liberalism.

It's not the same as an American liberal, which is more of a lefty, but the English liberalism... Am I going to get tested on this? I'm going to start with a little lesson here. No, we believe in individual freedom, free markets, limited government. We've kind of believed in that for a long time. And for a long time you're right. Our view was the kind of mainstream view. You know, Reaganism, Fatcher the mainstream view now you know I should have said establishment I think it's

more the status quo we absolutely not the establishment union now industrial policies in big state is in protectionism is in all manner of things that we traditionally didn't believe in and so our kind of liberalism I think is is very much not the mainstream view now and we're championing liberalism in the face actually of pretty concerted resistance to it and people going in different directions of the whole kind of Trumpist assault if you will this there's an in fact our cover this this week's cover is going to be about this almost certainly unless something dramatic happens which is about national

conservatism it this idea which you know the MAGA Republicans have but also a bunch of conservatives in Europe Victor Orba and Georgia Maloney in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their. their. their. their. their. their their. their their their their. their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tri. Ie. Ie. Ie. Ie. I'm. I'm. I'm.e. I'm.e.e. I'm.e. I'm. I'm tri. tri. their their their their the Maga Republicans have but also a bunch of conservatives in Europe. Victor Orba and Georgia Maloney in Italy, Marine Le Pen in France. They are there are differences between them but they're united by an idea that they want to be anti-globalist, they're anti-trade, they're very skeptical of migration, they want to push back against what they see as progressive, woke ideology. Would you say this is perhaps a new world order that they are? They would love that. Oh no, they're the ones who always talk about how there's a conspiracy to create a new world order, when if you really look at it, they're the ones trying to create it.

They're shifting. There was an old paradigm, right? Which was America, post-war aligned itself with liberal Europe against communism. That was the stability of the world since World War II was capitalism versus communism. It looks like there appears to be a realignment along the lines of not capitalism and communism but woke and unwoke and I know that sounds ridiculous but it is what ties Putin to Trump and Orbán to Trump. If you listen to Putin, when he talks about Orthodox Christianity and Western society and anti-gay rhetoric, he sounds like a AM radio host.

Absolutely. And there are people in the Republican Party now who wore more to Putin than to Ukraine, for example. So I think you're right. Well, I think all of them. No, not all of them. Not all of them. Well, Mitch McConnell, but he just stops working every now and again. No, no, I think there's a really serious point.

There's a complete, you know, which is there is potentially a kind of revolution in conservatism, which may end up being as big as the kind of Faturite-Reaganite Revolution, which is taking it in a completely different direction, which is not the direct... Absolutely. It's a populism, but it's combined with this anti-wokism that almost seems to be the more powerful unifying theoryoryoryoryoryory It used to be economic theories and now it's theories of social culture issues. Identity, social culture. Absolutely. No, I think there is, that's definitely a fault line and the people you cite are definitely on one side of it. Whether it's a new world order yet, I don't know. We did not talk about NATO. Donald Trump very famously came out yet, I don't know. We did not talk about NATO. Donald Trump very famously came out and said, I would encourage Russia, this was

years ago, to attack them so that they would pay their bills, as though the value of NATO is in what they can contribute financially. What is your thought on that? He sounded like he sounded like the mobster right. They got to pay. To they're tho the the th, he th, he s s s s s s s s s s s s s- thu thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- thu- tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu. thu. th doesn't I think understand what a collective security is about. Like the NATO, NATO is basically if you attack the smallest NATO country, you're attacking America. That that basic deal was understood by the Soviet Union and then by Russia. That's why we haven't had an attack on NATO. I think that is undermined by him basically saying it's a protectionist racket, which is what he – so I don't think Donald Trump cares about alliances, but the reason it's so disconcerting and worrying if you're in Europe right now is this is happening at a time

when Vladimir Putin has already done a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, he is rearming much faster than Europe. Europe is a fundamentally more dangerous place. So even with Donald Trump nowhere near the White House yet, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thiiiiiii. I I I I I th. I th. I th. I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thoom. thoom. thoom. So, thoom, thoom, thoom, th. So, thi, th, th, thi, th, thi, th. So, I th. So, I th. So, I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thiii. I thii. So, thii. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So even with Donald Trump nowhere near the White House yet, him saying it right now is destabilizing. It makes it much more likely that Putin an aggressive dictator, you know, it pushes further. And at the same time, you have this aid for Ukraine held up here in this country. And to be clear, aiding Ukraine, giving the money to Ukraine is the cheapest possible way for the US to enhance its security. It's just, it's absolutely giving the money to Ukraine is the cheapest possible way for the US to enhance its security. It's just, it's absolutely, the fighting is being done by the Ukrainians, they're the

people who are being killed, the US and Europe are supplying them weapons and in doing so we are pushing back against Putin. I mean, I've been to Kiev twice and lived there 30 years ago and you can't go there and not think, this is a European country that is looking westward, and for the US to abandon it now, if it does, it's almost jaw-dropping. The unfortunate part for Ukraine seems to be that it also holds a place in our culture war. I don't think there's any principled opposition from the right in terms of sending arms.

There might be in terms of the amount or the money or some of those things. I think they're really caught in the idea that Putin and Orban and that illiberal order are their natural allies. And so Ukraine, they have to paint that as nazified or utterly corrupt as though Russia is somehow fundamentally, you know, just this unbelievable Valhalla. But I think that's where, I think that's why Ukraine, if Russia has done there somewhere else, Ukraine happens to hold a very strange place in this whole Barisma, Hunter Biden, illiberal, like.

Exactly. Donald Trump doesn't like Volodymselensky because Voluntzinski is a lot of the whole issue around the first impeachment and all of that stuff. And he holds grudges and he doesn't like Zelensky and he likes Putin's tough. Then I think. Then I think there are a bunch of Republicans who are genuine, what you might call old-fashioned isolationists, who just don't think the kind of US should be involved in this stuff. Then there's a bunch who have perfectly reasonable concerns about whether the money's being well spent, corruption in Ukraine. There is plenty of corruption in Ukraine, whether it's all well spent. And then I think you're right, there are these, and let's call them the Tucker Carlson Republicans, who kind of have a

sense that there is somehow the, Putin is the hero and Ukraine is the villain, which is sort of hard to get your head around, but that does seem to be what they think. Right, and that's, I do think that's the world order that they would be pushing towards. But this gets back to journalists. In this country, it's all about the money and there's very little talk about, even after September 11th, when Article 5 was invoked and they came to our defense. The only time Article 5 has been invoked was to come to the defense. It's really does boil down to, oh, is this just a a article article article article article article article article article article article article article a financial a financial a financial a financial the financial the financial the financial the financial the financial the financial the financial the financial the financial the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be, to be, to be, to come, and to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the money, their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their the money, the money, the money, the money, the money, the money, the money, thea.ea.ea.e.e.e.e. the. the. the. oh, is this just a financial transaction gone awry, or is this the valuable alliance that's kind of held together the world order? And which by the way, though, we have to be able to criticize what it did in Iraq and all

these other things. But if we can't talk honestly about it, we end up shutting down all the conversation. Of course, I think there is a discussion, I mean NATO, most of the time for most Americans is not something that's probably top of mind, but I think there is a kind of feasible. I have not been to a party where it's not the first thing people talk about. You're clearly moving in serious circles. I do. Generally, it's you go in, it's a little NATO talk and then a keg stand. Thank you very much for being here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much for th. Thank you. Thank you very much for th. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much for th. Thank you. Thank you very much for th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. Thank you. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. ta. ta. toda. I ta. I ta. I th. I th. I th. I th. I and gentlemen, Danny Vincent Voters and the Economist. Take a quick drink, we'll be right back after this. That was... Hey, everybody, John Stewart here.

I am here to tell you about my new podcast, the weekly show coming out every Thursday. We're going to be talking about the election earnings calls. What are they talking about on these earnings calls? We're going to be talking about ingredient to bread ratio on sandwiches. I know you have a lot of options as far as podcasts go, but how many of them come out on Thursday? Listen to the weekly show with John Stewart wherever you get your podcast. My guest tonight, oh, I love them so much. There are law professors and constitutional experts, elitist, who co-hosts about the Supreme Court called Strict Scrutiny. Please welcome to the program Melissa Murray and Kate Shaw, please.

Please. Hey guys! I want to apologize. So you have a third, Leah Littman, who couldn't be here because of the delicate configurations of our desk. have Leah be here as well, but she's in California and so I didn't want to let that pass. I want to start with you guys, a simple question. John Oliver has offered Clarence Thomas, a Winnebago, and a million dollars a year to, and this is his words not mine, get the f-off the Supreme Court. Will in your, your court watchers, your experts on the Supreme Court, will he accept this offer? I think this is a this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is th. this is thi this is thi thi thi? I thi? I thi? I thi. I thi. I thi. I the thi. I thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thiolomea. I'm thioliolioliolioliolioliolioliolomeomeomexh. Ii. Ii. Ii. Ii. Ii. Ii. Iiolioliol. Iiol. Iiol. Iiol. Ii. Ii. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I'm thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi on the Supreme Court, will he accept this offer? I think this is a Harlan Crow counter offer opportunity. You believe that his benefactor is going to have to counter,

but what do you counter with? It's a beautiful Winnebago and a million dollars here. Is there anything else to life? Not if you enjoy spending time in the parking lots of Walmart as Justice Thomas He says he does but apparently he likes to quail hunt in a robe I want to ask you there's a strategy that's starting to bubble up Which is getting Americans comfortable with authoritarianism and getting us to not think critically about the differences between a free society and not a free society and in that? that regard. They are starting to paint Trump as as nivalny that the trials the the the the the the the the the the the the the trials trials trials trials trials trials trials trials trials trials trials trials trials trials trials the trials their trials their trials their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their trile. trile. trile trile trile trile trials trials trials trials trials, trials, trials, trials, trials, trials, tria. tria. tria. tria. tria. tria. trial. trial. And in that regard, they are starting to paint Trump as Navalny, that the trials that he is facing in America are similar or the same to as what Putin did

to Navalny. Please explain to me why that's horseship. Well, we are not experts in Russian criminal procedure, but I think it's safe to say that Donald Trump is likely receiving more procedural protections right now in the four criminal indictments that he's currently subject to than Alexei Navalny had in his time in Russia. So I think this is not the same situation. Would you say that Donald Trump has actually received due or process than most people in America? I mean, this guy is clearly on the platinum due process plan like he

he's the Harlan Crow due process like he's getting every the dewest of process the dewis the processes so how is this even comparable it's not at all comparable and I do think it is interesting as your last segment made clear that Trump is adverting to the situation in Russia right now and invoking Navalny. And I think that it's right to draw comparisons right now, but of course, the casting is all wrong. Right now, in the arguments that Trump is making in some of the pending criminal cases against him, he is essentially casting himself as above and beyond the law. And we're the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th, you thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thus thus thus thus thus thus thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, and I thus, and I thi, and I tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. And, and I is tr. And, and I is tr. And, and I is t, and I is th. And I is th. And I is th. And I is th. And I is, and I is thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin. thin. thin. thin. theeean. thin. te. te. te. te. te. te. true. we're essentially seeing what state presidents should have complete and total

immunity because if you can't kill people then what fun? Well this was actually a hypothetical that came up in the lower federal court argument in this immunity case Trump's lawyer was asked so you're saying that a president could order seal team six to assassinate a political rival and the criminal law couldn't get him for that? Sounds familiar. It does. And Trump's lawyer basically said unless he's been impeached and convicted first, the criminal laws can't touch them. Right, so you have to go through that. So our criminal laws are suspended for the president. That's a pretty lawyer. Didn't we fight a war, but our whole constitutional structure is designed to prevent

consolidations of power within the presidency. Check the balances. Exactly. And so this whole idea... Yeah. You get an A in our constitutional law classes, John. But I mean, what Kate is describing is essentially very authoritarian forward. The person that Donald Trump is is not Alexei Navalny.

It's Vladimir Putin. Right. And that's who he wants to be. That's who he admires. But in our judicial systems defense, in my mind, over these past few years, it was one of the few institutions in America that actually held pretty strong,

and you are frowning at me. You disagree with this. Well on our podcast we take different roles. Kate is I think much more amenable to your position. I think I think. Hold on one second. Okay. I'm gonna talk to Kate. Yeah. Well, explain like there's something to this. I do think that there is a way in which courts really did stand as a bulwark against some of Trump's worst instincts and impulses while he was in office and even since you know 60-plus lawsuits he filed around the 2020 election all unsuccessful. Right. He argued for different versions of immunity in the tri-s sivel and criminal cases

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