The Daily Signal - #459: Victor Davis Hanson Makes 'The Case for Trump'

Episode Date: May 13, 2019

On today’s podcast, we feature Rob Bluey's interview with commentator Victor Davis Hanson, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and columnist at The Daily Signal, about his latest book, “The Case for Trump.”Also on today’s show:• Rachel del Guidice interviews two members of the Republican Study Committee about why liberals’ Green New Deal threatens your freedom.• Your letters to the editor. You can also leave us a message at 202-608-6205 or write us at [e-mail]. • Virginia Allen has a sports-themed good news story from Washington feature the Army Knights, Tiger Woods, and the Boston Red Sox.The Daily Signal podcast is available on Ricochet, iTunes, SoundCloud, Google Play, or Stitcher. All of our podcasts can be found at DailySignal.com/podcasts. If you like what you hear, please leave a review. Enjoy the show! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is the Daily Signal podcast for Monday, May 13th. I'm Rob Blewey. And I'm Rachel Dahl Judis. Today we have Rob's interview with Victor Davis Hanson, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and author of the book, The Case for Trump. We're also featuring Rachel's conversation with two members of the Republican Study Committee about why the Green New Deal threatens your freedom. And we will close out today's show with your letters, and Virginia Allen has a sports-themed good news story right here in Washington, D.C.

Before we begin, we'd like to ask you to help us spread the word about the Daily Signal podcast. Please give us a five-star review on iTunes and share this episode with your friends and family. That will help us make sure we are continuing to grow and reach more listeners. Stay tuned for today's show. Coming up next. We're coming to you from The Daily Signal. I'm with Victor Davis Hanson, who is at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, author of the new book, The Case for Trump, and a columnist for The Daily Signal. It's great to be with you.

Thank you for having me. Let's start with your book. It's a fascinating read. I want you to tell us why you chose to write it. I've asked myself that. Well, I had a good editor at Basic Books, and I just finished a book on World War II, and I had a contracted other book,

and she said, as a person who did not vote for Trump and would not vote, is there any way I could be persuaded? And I said something. She said, why don't you put that in writing? So I have never written on a contemporary political, at least in book form. So I wanted to say that I had not met Trump. I didn't want a job, obviously, in the White House.

I don't live in Washington. So could I, as a disinterested analyst, but somebody who voted for him, could I analyze why he got elected, how he's done, and why people hate him so much? And that's what the book's about. Let's take some of those points then. So how has he done?

I mean, we hear about the economy and we hear about some of the other tremendous, that this country is having. And yet at the same time, his approval ratings aren't that great at the current moment. And he's constantly under attack from the media and Democrats. He is. Well, that's a two-part question. As far as he's doing things that are kind of insidious that we don't appreciate. For example, the Department of Education is finally starting to address the idea that student debt is not the responsibility of universities. They encourage students to take out these horrible loans and then they jack their tuition above the rate of inflation.

Or we've lost the Fourth and Fifth Amendments and the First Amendment protections on campus. So he does things like that that he doesn't get credit for it in addition to the foreign policy and the economic. Why do they hate him? Part of it is if he succeeds, it's a referendum on his resume and their resume. He's the first president that never had military or political experience. Second, there's an element of snobbishness, especially in the Never Trump movement. He's from Queens, the way he dresses, his comportment. They consider that so unpresidential that positions that they have embraced their entire life,

if he has his fingerprints on them, they disown. And part of it is, I guess we call it creative, destruction, creative, obstruction, of obstruction, creative chaos, that the way Washington works, we saw that in a Peggy Noonan column that was almost endorsing the status quo way things work. But Trump comes in, and if you want to get out of the climate accord and parent, you just get out of it, cancel the Iran deal,

move the embassy. Everybody understood, tell NATO to start paying their first. Everybody understood that the proverbial cat had to be belled, but nobody wanted to do it. So he was not invested in that value system, so he did it. And then people, like the proverbial gunslinger, he comes in and solves a problem. And then, my God, why did you pull your gun? And then they want him to leave when the problem's over with it.

He certainly has transformed Washington in that way. I mean, he's made draining the swamp and returning power back to individuals, a priority. Do you think that that's going to stick? I mean, can that last beyond a Trump presidency? That seems to be the proverbial $64,000 question. What happens when he leaves? My own view is the idea that somebody that would embody in contemporary terms, the worldview of Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney,

is not going to ever again carry Michigan, Pennsylvania, in the way that Trump did. And by that I mean, whether we like it or not, The Democratic Progressive Party, neo-socialists, is very wealthy people and very poor people. And this middle class in between is what republicanism is today. And what they want is somebody that they feel not just ideologically akin to, but they feel fights for them. Worst thing that can happen for a candidate is to solve the limb under which is base is sitting.

So with Romney and McCain, there was a sense that if you attacked Reverend Wright in 2008 or you were so angry that Candy Crawley had hijacked that debate in 2012, you really didn't know whether Romney or McCain was going to support you. McCain would say, now, wait a minute, don't go to that. And that, with Trump, that created Trumpism. With trumpets, we cut the leash and he's out there. He's fighting. And I think that will be part of the idea.

of the Republican Party. I think the idea that we're going to win, we would rather lose nobly than win ugly because we play by the markets of Queensbury Rules. I don't think that's going to. That is the trajectory to socialism. I want to get to socialism in a moment, but I do want to ask you one more question.

You mentioned how he was elected. There's a lot of interest right now about whether or not that same coalition that he put together in 2016 will be there for him in 2020. Do you think that those people who came out to support him in 2016, will do so again? Yeah, I do for a couple of reasons.

One, he has a record, and except for closing the border, which he tried to do and debt, he's pretty much fulfilled his promises. And then number two, he's not running in a popularity contest. So the closest thing to a blue-collar candidate is Joe Biden. But Joe Biden of today is not the Joe Biden of 30 years ago. So he's been mortgaging his past through the AOC party. And whether he likes or not, if he were to be nominated, I don't see how he can emerge on Skaith from the primaries, the debates, and the convention without endorsing in some part or parcel, reparations in fanicide, wealth tax, Green Deal, 16-year-old voting, ex-felons voting, or felons voting,

none of these positions poll 51%, especially in these twing states. That's certainly true. Well, let's talk about this idea behind socialism. I mean, it's a topic that's on the mind of a lot of conservatives. They're concerned about this growing support that they see, particularly among young people, but on the left in general. What is fueling it? Well, I don't know if they know when they say they're for socialism,

what socialism entails, but we know. the conditions that make people liberal and conservative. What makes people conservative is that you have to be responsible for someone other than yourself and that you have mortgage your present happiness for future security. By that I mean when young people get married, it takes the concentration off themselves. They have a commitment. When they have children, they have responsibilities to other people. When they buy a home, they have a mortgage. So they post it. postpone the satisfaction of the appetites. But when you have 1.5 trillion in student debt,

and you have a life of Julia, Pajama Boy, Idol, and people are not getting married, they're not having children, then this young hipster model is interested in all of these boutique issues. But they're not the issues that societies and civilizations are based on, which are, do we have enough fuel? Do we have enough food? Do we have enough security?

Are we financially sound? Are we replacing the species? Do we have sovereignty? And that's what we need to do. You won't get rid of socialism until you address that lifestyle of young people. Part of it's indoctrination in college. Part of it's a residual of the 60s generation. Part of it was the 2008 disruption in the economy.

Part of it is the universities that not just indoctrinate people, but they're sort of like in 18th century indentured servitude. They get people to come in and mortgage their future with these student loans, and then they have a hold over them. We've got to break up that on a multi-level. You know, one of the things that you write about frequently is the state of California. It's among the most popular things for our daily signal audience. Oh, it is.

Very interested to see what the goal. and state is up to and doing. Can you share with us about the state of affairs here in California and what concerns you most? We got to start with the premise that in California, the more they raise taxes, the more they want, and the worst public services become. By that I mean we have the highest basket of sales, gasoline, and income tax, and we're rated about 45 in test scores and about 48, 49th, and infrastructure. So where does the money go? It goes towards redistributions. We have the highest number

of illegal aliens of any state. We have one of the costliest pension systems. But these problems are caused in themselves that we're a medieval society with a coastal strip from La Jolla to Berkeley, the wealthiest people in the history of civilization. The per capita income of San Mateo County is the highest in the nation. Three trillion dollars of market capital just two or three companies. And then regulations that are created by that class and rules and taxation that drive the middle class out, but help the poor, they're romantic.

The middle class has no romance. And so out of that menu, it's very depressing because we have a $13 billion surplus right now and what's California's attitude after the elimination of state and local tax deductions and a high tax. in a high tax state, you think, my gosh, we only have 160,000 returns and 40 million that are paying half of all the income tax. Now they can't write it off. They're all going to go to Nevada or Florida, so we better at least lower tax.

No. Their attitude is, let's get an inheritance tax back after 40 years. Let's tax everything on the Internet with the state tax. Let's tax sugar drinks. Let's tax restaurant bills. And where does this come from? And it comes from a bunch of very wealthy people in La La Land with 70-degree weather, it's 365 days a year, that don't know where their fuel, their food,

their granite counters, or aluminum refrigerators come from. And they have enough money not to worry about it. And they want to help the poor in the abstract. Maybe it's a psychological mechanism for never being with them, never putting their kids in the same school with them, never living next to them. and then despising the taste and the behavior of the middle class. So it's a toxic menu, California.

And the only thing that will break it is it's anything that can't go on forever won't go on forever. And there's an emerging Latino middle class, and they're asking, especially in the Central Valley, why do we pay the highest kilowatt rate in the country when we have all this natural gas? Why do we have the highest gasoline prices in the country? Why do we not have plentiful water in our lakes?

Why are we laying out to the ocean? We're paying $100,000 per fish to replant salmon, the San Joaquin. So they're asking practical questions, and the answers they're getting is, shut up. We have open borders. We're there to give amnesty, and you have more in common with somebody in Oaxaca, than you do with somebody in the lower middle class who's not Hispanic.

I don't think that message is going to be continually persuasive. Well, we can certainly hope that there is a challenging of those status quo here in California for the benefit of everybody. You have been somebody who's been critical of the media. When your book came out, not only did you have maybe some personal experience of what media. I was called a Nazi by Republican. What is it? How can conservatives effectively combat this? I mean, we did so at the Heritage Foundation by creating our own news outlet.

You obviously have a weekly column and do other things in the media. What would you say to our listeners or viewers? What's your advice? Well, where I was attacked were three places, the worst. It was the New Yorker magazine, the Washington Post, the New York Times. But you can go, I'll give you an example. I did an Epic Times podcast. I had not knew anything that I didn't know they had podcast. I barely knew the epic. Next thing I knew it had 500,000, you know, listeners. 500,000 people, that's probably more than the New York Times circulation in most of California. So the same thing with media and social media. So there's ways now of getting out the message without CBS, PBS, NPR, New York Times. That's our only hope.

I will say in passing, though, the people who have been the most venomous and vicious and were the most prone to use the Nazi slur, you're a Nazi, by writing a book for Trump-Hash-Hitler, was a never-Trump right. I was attacked in the bulwark by Gabriel Schoenfeld, who said that I was Martin Heidegger writing for basically Trump Hitler. And then I was, I think Charles Sykes said that I was going to be taken down because I was a grifter. This is somebody who, you know, doesn't live in Washington or New York, never met Donald Trump, wanted to write analysis of white people voted for him. So that was a shock.

And that was really disturbing to see the Republican establishment or the former Republican establishment stoop to that level. Did never Trumpers have any, you know, sway though anymore? I mean, are you think there, I think you and I know, and your listeners will probably agree that of all the people we meet who said, I don't like Hillary Clinton in 2016, but there was something about Trump's comportment that prevents me from voting. If you ask those same people again, it's not even a hesitation. I'm going to vote for him in 2020. Whereas if you talk to people in 2020 who voted for Trump, you never hear I'm not going to vote for him. 2016, they're never going to say, I'm not going to vote this.

time for him. So what I'm getting out is they had zero, they had very little influence in 2016 but they have none now and I think that's pushed them into a sort of an nihilism where their only role is to get conservatives angry

and to be I think they feel that Trumpism is a metaphor is like an eggshell and they're tapping and irritating in all the while and they don't see any fissures But at some magical moment, if they just keep at it, one last tap, all of a sudden the eggshell implodes,

and then they say, see, it's all destroyed, and I'm going to come in like the proverbial Phoenix, and out of the ashes, you listen to me and I can rebuild the party, as if Mitt Romney and John McCain and Jeb Bush were going to win Pennsylvania or Michigan. Victor Davis-Hanson, the book again is called The Case for Trump. You can find his columns at DailySignal.com. being with us. Thank you. Are you looking for quick conservative policy solutions to current issues sign up for Heritage's weekly newsletter, The Agenda. In the Agenda, you will learn what issues Heritage Scholars on Capitol Hill are working on, what position conservatives are taking, and links to our in-depth research. The agenda also provides information on important events happening here at

Heritage that you can watch online, as well as media interviews from our experts. Sign up for the agenda on heritage.org today. Last week, I had the opportunity to interview two conservative members of the House, Republican Steady Committee Chairman Mike Johnson and Congressman Jeff Duncan, who is co-chairman of the House Energy Action Team. We talked about the Green New Deal and their concerns. We're playing a portion of the interview on today's podcast. It starts with Congressman Johnson. This is something that should concern every single American because it will impact their pocketbooks, it will impact their families. It would, in a literal sense, change the very nature of our country. It's a broad swath, a swipe at the U.S. economy, and our underlying

foundational principles. It is a guise, I think, to usher in the principles of socialism, and we need to recognize this. Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt it's a redistribution mechanism to redistribute the wealth and power, centralize power. at the federal government. And we already know the government's tentacles are in every part of our lives, but the Green New Deal will give the government even longer, broader, stronger tentacles to be so invasive. And that's what big government does. That's what Progressives do. And that's what the Green Hill do does. So you all in the RSC just offered a 13-page takedown of the Green New Deal. I'm going to go through that takedown and give us a few points of what's included in that.

So the Green New Deal, as it was introduced in Congress is 14 pages long. Our takedown was 13-page. pages. We could have elaborated even further because there's so much in this to take issue with. Our staff are some of the best on the Hill. We had members involved in this. And it's a pretty comprehensive, I guess, summary of what this Green New Deal would do for the country. So we go through the that it would add to the American people. I brought a little graphic. We put out this little document called the, we call it the greedy new steel, right? But just by the numbers real quick, a couple of top line things here. It would add 300 times more toxic waste from solar farms over nuclear. Part of the Green New Deal, the initiative is they want wind and solar.

We want to get to zero carbon emissions in 10 years. First of all, it's scientifically impossible to do that. Wait a minute. The Earth's going in according to 10 years, according to AOC, in 12 years. It's crazy. We have a very short time to accomplish this, Jeff. But, but, you know, but, But even if it were possible, the cost would be so enormous that it would literally bankrupt every family in America almost, except those super wealthy, right? A 286% potential increase in the energy bills per household. And we know this would have a disparate impact on low-income households because they already pay more than share. That's the biggest issue that the American people to know is that as a percentage of the income, lower-income people, as energy rates go up, they're paying a higher percentage of their income. come for just their basic electrical needs, and it impacts them the most.

And the other thing that the big headline is that 50% of our economy would pass through the hands of the federal government. How frightening is that? It's not even an achievable set of goals, because in order to go to all that wind and solar, Jeff, you know, you would have to take a landmash the state of California in order to put all that app around it. It's like 115 million acres that it would take, and it's just unfalatable. But when you talk about lowering your carbon footprint and meeting our energy needs, even the governor of Connecticut, instead of bringing nuclear reactors offline and decommissioning those, decided to go for relicensing. He knew that they need to meet their electrical needs.

And in order to lower his carbon footprint, nuclear power has to be a part of that. So now you see a very liberal governor embracing nuclear power, which has got to be a part of the matrix here. I love wind and solar, Mike. I think you do too. We also know what works, fossil fuels, hydro nuclear power. to provide that 24-7 baseload power to meet our demands always on for the manufacturers and for us at home when we want to cut the lights on or redo our children or have a cold beverage out of the refrigerator and manufacturers like BMW or Boeing which I visited recently they need that power to be on when they get ready to make the next Boeing aircraft

we're all the above folks we even the president's vision for not just energy independence but energy dominance as has been our new our new phraseology and our new goal and and But we achieve that, as Jeff's alluded to here, through private sector innovation, not government regulation. It's the regulation of the government that gets in the way of these innovations. And even though our energy use has increased in the United States over the last several years, our carbon emissions have gone down. That's not because of the government's heavy hand. It's not because we entered into the parents of the board us because, you know, we're good stewards of the environment as Americans and innovators. And we see the future.

You know, people that are investing in energy, they're investing in wind and solar, they're also investing in conservation efforts. They're encouraging their employees to be more conservation-minded. I remember my dad in the 70s during the oil crisis telling us to turn the lights off when we left the room and, you know, walk when we could. So Americans are seeing that, and you're seeing the elevators really step up to the place. And I was down at Clemson University as a leader in looking at our electrical grid and trying to, you know, really combat any threats, whether it's an EMP, an electromagnetic pulse, or looking at cyber attacks. But they also have what's called a drive train facility there. They're testing everything that a wind turbine could be put into, any sort of torque on the blades,

longevity. And it's one of only two facilities in the nation, one in Colorado and one in Charleston, but it's run by Clemson University of collaboration with a lot of profit sector folks. So you're seeing innovators step up and say, if we're going to use one, wind power. We need to make sure they're safe. We need to make sure they're efficient. We need to see how they're connected to the grid and understand how that may affect the grid with spikes in power or if one of these units fail. Now, what does that mean for the power supply? And so you've got innovators out there, both public and private, trying to make everything better. Congressman Johnson,

you have a resolution that's working to dismantle the Green New Deal. Can you tell us about that and how it would work? Yeah, there's a resolution that we'll be filing here in short order. We'll probably We have most of the RSC signed on to that. We have 142 members in the Republican Study Committee, so we're the largest caucus of conservatives in Congress, and that's an important voice to put behind this. While they're having their rallies and trying to drum up support, we'll be pointing to the real facts of this.

And this is a resolution that lays out, basically summarizes in legislative form, what our 13-page take-down, as the Washington Times called it, the Green New Deal does. It points out the cost, the absurd notion that we would have to essentially get rid of all moving vehicles in the country, anything that has any kind of a mission at all under this deal would have to be taken away from the American people. I mean, how is Tulsi Gabbard going to get to Hawaii? She won't be able to get home.

She can't fly and, you know, trains are probably in the... No real service. They're all working. ...beating hot dogs with maggots in them, so... Well, and even, you know, we point out in this resolution, for example, even if we were able somehow to confiscate land the size of the state of California to build all these solar or wind farms, for example. It takes 800 metric tons of concrete to build a one of the largest emitters of carbon.

Right. That we're trying to lower our footprint. It's concrete. Right. So you would add so much in terms of carbon emission to produce the concrete in order to put the wind panels up, windmills up. And they're not reliable because we can't force the wind to blow. We can't force the sun to shine. And everywhere that they've tried to do this to rely heavily on these alternative sources, it's been a disaster.

They've had robs to jail blackouts, and this is South Australia, some parts of Germany. We just can't go down this road. And I think they're using this some of these Democrats, I think, some of our colleagues, are using this as a campaign. As just said, to promise things to people so that they'll vote for them. But we have a responsibility to point out the facts. And I think in the Republican Study Committee, at least, the conservatives in Congress or, anxious to do that very thing. If you would like to listen to the rest of our interview, visitdailysignal.com.

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subscribe to Scotus 101, a Heritage Foundation podcast, breaking down the cases, personalities, and gossip at the Supreme Court. Virginia Allen joins us to talk about this week's good news story. Virginia, what do you have for us today? Thanks, Rob. This week's good news story comes to you right from the heart of Washington, D.C., the White House. All throughout last week, President Trump recognized athletes and sports teams for their accomplishments, beginning with the presentation of the Commander-in-Chief trophy to the Army football team, The Black Knights. With us today are 28 seniors on the team, who will soon graduate, become second lieutenants, and enter different branches of the Army,

including infantry, armor, field artillery, and air defense artillery. Wherever your country needs you, we know you will serve with integrity, loyalty, honor, courage, and an unbreakable will to win, win, win, win. We love that sound. Don't we love that word? That's a great word. You know it well. armies always and this great army of ours always fights to victory always to the entire black knights team congratulations once again on your historic victories and keep on that path to just winning and making us all very proud of you because we are all very very proud of you later that same day

president trump presented the medal of freedom to tiger woods who as many of our listeners i'm sure No, just won the Masters for the fifth time. Tiger was only 21 when he won the Masters for the first time, and now at the age of 43, he has accomplished this feat once again. It was an emotional event, especially as Tiger gave his remarks. I just want to say thank you again. This is an honor. I know that I'm the fourth golfer to have received this award, the late Arnold Palmer, the great Jack Nicholas, and Charlie Sifford, who is, I always called him grandpa, because he was like the grandpa never had. And I end up becoming so close with him that I end up daving my son Charlie after him.

So to have been chosen as the next golfer after Charlie is truly remarkable. So thank you again. And thank you, Mr. President. And on Thursday, President Trump welcomed the Red Sox to the White House for the World Series celebration. As a Red Sox fan myself, I was particularly excited about this event. I was actually able to attend, and I can honestly say that when I arrived, I kind of felt like a kid in a candy shop. It was a beautiful day, and they had a band playing. They held the event on the back lawn of the White House, and there was just a lot of energy and excitement.

And for me, my favorite moment was when J.D. Martinez, he's a Red Sox outfielder and hitter, who played a really critical role in helping the Red Sox win the World Series. year. JD stood up and he presented the president with a gift. It was a jersey with the number 18 and Trump written on the back. I just want to say thank you Mr. President for this once in a lifetime opportunity to be honored today here at the White House. And I know celebrating a Red Sox victory is tough for you given that you're a Yankee fan and all. But we really want to say thank you for your hospitality today. And we brought you a gift. Thank you. This Red Soxie, Sox jersey for you. Beautiful. Thank you.

Thank you. With all these events, it's really nice to see the president recognizing the hard work of these athletes and to take a moment to pause as a nation and honor the work of these individuals and these teams because sports is something that creates a lot of unity in our nation. It allows us to put our political differences aside and enjoy cheering for the teams that we love. Virginia, I'm so glad you have the opportunity to visit. And thanks for sharing that uplifting story. I think you're so right that sports are a unifying part of our culture.

And it's nice to see that President Trump is taking the opportunity to celebrate those athletes, not just this past week, but many in the past as well and recognizing their contributions. We appreciate it. Absolutely. It really is nice. And, you know, as a Red Sox fan, I won't miss an opportunity to talk about the socks. Thank you, Rob. We'll see about that.

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