The Daily Signal - How Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg Rigged the 2020 Election to Defeat Trump

Episode Date: April 18, 2022

Mark Zuckerberg is best known for creating and leading Facebook, a company that’s made him one of the wealthiest men in the world. With an estimated worth of $80 billion, he poured hundreds of millions of his fortune into the 2020 election. Here’s the thing: You probably had no idea at the time Zuckerberg was influencing the outcome of the most contentious presidential election in our lifetime. That’s because we didn’t learn the true extent of Zuckerberg’s financial contributions until the voting already took place. Now, thanks to a new 40-minute documentary film from Citizens United Productions, we know what he did and how to prevent it from happening again. Citizens United President David Bossie hosts and narrates the film, “Rigged: The Zuckerberg-Funded Plot to Defeat Donald Trump.” He joins "The Daily Signal Podcast" with director Jason Killian Meath. Listen to the full show or read a lightly edited transcript at DailySignal.com. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is the Daily Signal podcast for Monday, April 18th. I'm Virginia Allen. And I'm Rob Bluey. On today's show, I chat with David Bossy and Jason Killian Meath about their new film, Rigged, the Zuckerberg-funded plot to defeat Donald Trump. We also read your letters to the editor. and share a good news story about how one little boy in New Hampshire made a big impact on his local fire department with a small donation. Before we get to today's show, we want to tell you about another great Heritage Foundation podcast called Heritage Explains.

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With an estimated worth of 80 billion, he poured hundreds of millions of dollars of his fortune into the 2020 election, here's the thing. You probably had no idea that Zuckerberg was influencing the outcome of the most contentious presidential election in our lifetime. That's because we didn't learn the true extent of Zuckerberg's financial contributions until the voting had already taken place. Now, thanks to a new 40-minute documentary film from Citizens United Productions, we know what he did and how to prevent it from happening again. Citizens United President, David Bossy hosts and narrates the film, Rigged the Zuckerberg-funded plot

to defeat Donald Trump. He joins us in studio today, along with director Jason Killian Meath, who is with us remotely. David, let's start with you. How did Mark Zuckerberg help defeat Donald Trump and how did he get away with it? Such a great question.

What most people don't know, and I would think that most people listening to this right now, don't know that Mark Zuckerberg spent $400 million in the 2020 election cycle. And he spent it specifically in just the last several months of the campaign through these nonprofits. And he sent his money through the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, which is he and his wife's operation. And they sent the money to these two very hardcore left-wing organizations. the Center for Tech and Civic Life and one other. And that's the Center for CTCL, the Center for Tech and Civic Life, received about $327 million.

And just to put it in perspective, their budget in 2019 was $1 million. Their budget for 2020 was $328 million. It's just an incredible flow of money that came in there. But their money went out in these grants to state and local election officials. And they basically used that money for a giant, massive Democrat get out the vote effort, using the drop boxes and mail-in ballots and absentee ballot programs to generate votes for Joe Biden. And I submit that if Mark Zuckerberg doesn't spend the $400 million in the last three or four months of the campaign, Joe Biden does not win. So what was it that inspired you to make this film?

We've heard President Trump talk about the stolen election. We've had other people talk about a rigged election. This must have been a massive undertaking on your part to wade through documents, information that many people in the mainstream media or legacy media would have just as easily ignored and let me gone. Yeah, they have much like the Hunter Biden laptop story. You know, they suppress these stories. They don't want to tell the stories. They don't cover the stories. These are important issues.

And the biased corporate media that we live in and with today, they decide what the American people know and what they don't know. And so we decided, after much like half of America that voted and supported Donald Trump, I was frustrated. and that I felt like there needed to be an answer to this thirst out there in America, this passion that has made election integrity, which is kind of a boring subject. And most matters, most people don't care about it. It's not in the top five or top ten issues in America when you look at the polling data. And election integrity is now at the top of polls, especially Republican primary voters. They don't want to vote for somebody who is not going to take a position to answer and solve. the problems of what happened in the past.

And so with that question out there and my relationship with President Trump, you know, that has been long, longstanding, we decided that we would try to take this on. And it was only through the process of making it. Did we understand the actual narrative? And Jason, Meath, who, this is my third film with Jason, you know, his ability to put this together, his ability to see the narrative and that force through the trees because it's so detail-oriented, but you have to keep it interesting and high-level while at the same time giving them the granular detail that's necessary for people to understand and feel like they took away something.

It's a real art form, and it's really hard to do. and my writing partner on this, Jason Meath, did an amazing job on it. Jason, how are you able to uncover the information that's featured in the film? I always know that when I'm going into one of these projects, it's going to be meticulously researched and sourced, and we're not going to leave anything to chance and going to be very thorough. And that is certainly the case here. I received a call from Dave, I would say, like a little bit before Thanksgiving last year. he sort of told me about this Mark Zuckerberg money and I had to sort of Google it because I had

maybe heard a little bit about it but the mainstream press really just doesn't cover this and I started researching it we started talking as we were planning the pre-production of the film more facts were coming out about this because there was there's numerous investigations and and various folks in various election integrity outfits that were looking at this, Scott Walters Capital Research Center, looking at various aspects of the Zuckerberg funded money that went into the election. And so I started learning pretty much at the same time as making the film what we were really talking about and what really had transpired in 2020.

And the more I learned, really the more. kind of shocked I was and really knew that we had a story here that needed to get out. There's been talk about this. There was a book called Rigged as well that, you know, detailed some of this and it was very good. So we were able to kind of follow some of the tax filings that the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative and CTCL were putting out there that also helped guide us as to where this money was distributed. It's a captivating film. It's truly really beneficial, I think, for a lot of our daily signal listeners and our audience

who asks us all of the time for this evidence. And now you've given them a real blockbuster film to do that. President Trump, you mentioned he was at your premiere at Mar-a-Lago. He also stars in the film. Who are some of the other people that you interviewed? And what information do you bring to light in the film itself? So folks can go to rigged 2020.com and you can stream it on any device anywhere in the world at any time. And I urge you to do that.

And you can go there just to watch the trailer. You can watch the and read about the film. You can learn about the cast, our incredible cast from Ken Blackwell to Ken Cucinelli to Cleita Mitchell to Congresswoman Claudia Tenney, Congressman Jody Heiss. We have New Gingrich and Kelly Ann Conway and, of course, President Trump in the film. We have Michael Gableman, who is a former Supreme Court Justice in Wisconsin, who is the special counsel appointed by the state legislature up there conducting his investigation. It is a really star-studded cast, and the interviews and the narrative that we are able to tell through those interviews, really is very powerful. And then, of course, the documentation of it.

We gained access to this information, not through any other way, other than CTCLs, the Center for Tech and Civic Life's own IRS 990 forms, which were just filed this January. So it's only been three or four months since we've had really access to the detail of it. And when we found those, I'm just going to give you a couple of pieces of information. You know, in those tax returns, in Wisconsin as an example, it showed grants to Kenosha of $860,000, $1.1 to both Green Bay and Madison, $1.7 million to Racine and $3.4 million to Milwaukee. Those are three Democrat strongholds in the state. And so, you know, it was about 85% of the money of Zuckerberg's money that in the state went to Biden-controlled districts. And by the way, the Zuckerberg defenders say that a majority of the grants went to red counties, went to Trump-leaning counties.

I don't care about that. Like, that may be true. It may not be true. It may be true. But $5,000 and $10,000 grants don't change in election. What changes in election are the 162 grants that we uncovered that totaled 272 million dollars, and 92% of that money went to Biden districts. That's putting your thumb on the scale of an election.

Jason, when the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative would make these donations that you talk of, what was the stated purpose for doing so, and how was that money actually spent? Well, in the tax filing, it is written. You have to declare what you're spending the money for. It's part of the law. You've got to say, where is this money going? And it's very clear. We have it in the film on their tax filing. It said it is to conduct safe elections during the COVID-19. And so that would seem to indicate, I mean, even though that's kind of a general category, a safe election. What is a safe election? You know, you would think PPE and gloves and things like that to keep you safe from getting COVID. But that is not at all what the money was spent for. And it may be a very small percentage. I think we heard figures of 3%, 6%, something along those lines. It was, went to, and it was, went to, and kind of PPE or COVID protection. So the bulk of the money, the vast majority, the hundreds of millions of the money, they went to get out the vote operations is what it amounted to. Who are some of the other major players involved in this scheme, particularly those who have a long history in democratic politics? Yeah, that's a great question. So, you know,

the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative is just a repository of, of, of, tech of their cash, really, and so that they could give it out. And in the movie, we talk about other places that they give to, all left-wing, the Obama Foundation, the Clinton Foundation, and many, many of the who's who of the left-wing, the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, donates to. The person who is the chief strategist for the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative is David Pluff. David Pluff was Barack Obama's campaign manager. And another person involved is Joel Benenson, who was the chief strategist for Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign.

And of course, David Pluff is an author of a book, The Citizen's Guide to Defeating Donald Trump. These are dedicated partisans who Mark Zuckerberg hires and works with to give them the money. to do strategically what they want. And one of those went to, as I said, the Center for Tech and Civic Life, which received a huge majority of the money that they gave out. 327 million of the 400 million went to them. And the two leaders of that group, Tiana Epps Johnson, an Obama fellow at the Obama Foundation, and Donnie Bridges both had previously worked at the new organizing institute.

which is a hardcore, some would be polite people like myself call it socialist. But it's really, Mark Levin calls it a communist organization. And so it is something the new organizing institute, the Washington Post called the Hogwarts, the Democrat Party's Hogwarts for digital wizardry. These people really understand data. They understand digital operations. They understand the strategy on how to win. And that's really who Mark Zuckerberg saying in his defense, he says this was through a nonpartisan 501c3. Well, these are the people that are running it.

That's like saying, Robert, it's like you, it's like you setting up a foundation and putting me in charge of it. and saying it's nonpartisan. I mean, nobody's going to think that Dave Bossy woke up tomorrow and is not going to be the conservative activist that he's been his entire life. It's just, it begs credulity. Now, you focus on three states in the film, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia. What happened there, and why are those three so important? Well, so we decided on those three states,

because when you look at the vote tallies of the 2020 election, those three battleground states, Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, comprised 42,000 votes in those three states. So 42,000 votes in those three states is the reason that Joe Biden is president. So we conducted most of our focus on those states. I will say, though, that when you look at where the money was spread around, they spread this money to states that were very safe states like New York. and California and Massachusetts. I mean, just about every state received money. And I do believe that that was because they wanted an insurance policy.

They wanted to make sure that the popular vote total for Joe Biden, if you remember when he won, everybody was talking about how this was, that no other president had ever received this many votes. And I always was left scratching my head thinking, First of all, there's a pandemic, and we were told that nobody was going to be able to vote, and nobody was, people were going to be afraid to vote. Second of all, Joe Biden did not run a campaign. He basically hid in his basement most of the time.

And when he did go out, there was, you know, maybe 10 or 15 people standing in circles to, you know, in socially distant circles to look at him, and he couldn't even fill up those. So that always left me scratching my head. Like, how in the world did this many people, how are they so? enthusiastic to go out and vote for this man. Well, it turns out that they had a lot of help from, you know, $400 million donation to get these people to get out, get these people to mail in votes, get these people to go to drop boxes and churn out votes wherever they could possibly find them, not even just in the battleground states, even though those were extremely important for the

electoral win. They also juiced those popular numbers. Now, you have done. documented it when you follow the money, the vast majority went to Democrat heavy areas. Did any of the nearly 400 million go to election offices and areas that were more likely to support President Trump? Well, yes. So they like to counter by anybody ever criticizing anything that they did with, well, you know, we, most of this money, you know, there were more, no, they didn't say most of the money. They will say more grants went to Trump districts than to buy. Biden districts. And that may be true. But the problem is, when you look at the grants, if you applied for a grant, I don't care who you were, they'd give you $5,000, maybe $10,000. But they're not going to, they didn't give $42 million, $20 million, $15 million to Trump districts. They were giving those to Joe Biden heavy areas. That's where the serious money went. You can't flip an election on $5,000, but you can flip an election, you know, putting $25 million into a jurisdiction or $40 million into a Democrat rich county.

That's where you start flipping the election. Well, thank you for connecting those dots for us. We've heard how the left used COVID-19 to change voting laws, some illegally in states like Pennsylvania. But this reaches a whole new level what you've just described. Why didn't we see this coming in 2020? And what are some of the ways that we can prevent it from happening in the future? Such good questions. And because it is very important what you just pointed out.

All of this was under the guise of COVID-19, of performing a safe election for everybody. But even NPR, and we talk about it in the film, even NPR says a very small percentage. And when I say very small, single-digit percentages went to actual, COVID safety masks and plexiglass and the like. All of the money really went to GOTV efforts and to make Joe Biden able to win this thing. I was involved in the campaign. Look, I was the deputy campaign manager, Kelly Ann Conway, Steve Bannon, and I ran it in 2016. In 2020, there was a different group of people, but we still were able to help. But I didn't get involved in the GOTV or effort or the Election Day operations effort in 2020.

And clearly we overlooked, it's not that we overlooked it, but we didn't see around the corners that guys who run presidential campaigns need to see around. That's your job is to see around a corner. And it's very difficult to do. And the R&C, the R&C has to do its part, which it was, again, it was there in 16, it was there in 20. They have to have a machine. And by the way, in this midterm election, right now that we're in, there is no overriding national campaign to help run it. It really is the RNC, but maybe a little bit the senatorial committee, the congressional committee, but not really. It's got to be the RNC who, without a doubt, owns and operates what is going to happen as far as the Election Day activities and the legal side of things, meaning are we going to go into court before Election Day, not after.

it's over, not after we've had a problem, but before. Are we going to do this over the summer and into the fall to make sure that we are fighting every fight that can be picked? Like, you have to go out and find these. And that takes an enormous, they have Mark a lot. They have a guy who all day long, he sits around in his team, sits around, and they are going state by state, county by County across the country to try to figure out where can they win, where can they do damage to the Republican Party. We have to do the same, and we have to have a dedicated group of people who are willing to go and fight the fight every single day, lawyers and political operatives who are going to scour

the country to find these weaknesses, to find the places where we're being adversely affected and go fight those in court. before election day, not after. Now, one question that I have for you in light of what has transpired recently, could Zuckerberg or perhaps another billionaire step in and do this again in 2022 during the midterms this year or 2024? Yeah, well, so think about this. They did this to a president.

They were able to be extremely effective in changing the results. or certainly helped change the results at the very least of a United States presidential election defeating a sitting president. If they can do that, well, now they're emboldened. They can do anything they want. You know, and nothing is stopping any other tech billionaire from coming in and throwing money into a race

at the current rate. By and large, there are some 17 states that are trying to pass laws to ban the use of this type of private money. But the problem is in a lot of those Democrat swing states, the Democratic governors are vetoing the bills. So there's nothing to say that in those places and those areas that this would not happen again. And I also would mention that in states like Pennsylvania and others that were very critical in terms of giving the election to Joe Biden, you know, they ignored their own laws in 2020. Many of these states saw this money coming in. Many of these election offices saw this money flowing into their doors and ended up

ignoring a lot of their voting laws in favor of throwing out drop boxes into, you know, onto street corners or distributing mail-in ballots, you know, wherever they possibly could. I mean, I know that just in my house, I received five mail-in ballots. I mean, why do I need five mail-in ballots for myself? And this was happening all over the place. So there's nothing to really stop them unless we, you know, unless more states, more crucial states pass, you know, election integrity laws. Well, with that being said, what is your message to state legislators who are debating this right now, either in their states or considering doing something in the future that would forbid private funding of government elections in the future.

Right. I think that, you know, a film like this can certainly help try to get us on message and to try to see the gravity of what's going on in our elections. And the more information like this that we can get out to people, you know, we interviewed Janelle Branchin, who's in the, Wisconsin legislature, and she's in the film, along with Justice Gableman, who was appointed to conduct an investigation of what happened in Wisconsin. And it is very telling when you talk to

them what they're up against. Even some Republican lawmakers are scared to talk about election integrity, mainly because, if you remember, right after President Trump questioned the election results and other conservatives question the election results. The media and the Democrats freaked out to the point where they wanted to cancel them all. They wanted to throw them off television. They wanted to call them traitors. They wanted to call them even worse names because they were spreading disinformation in all of this. All that's a smokescreen because this isn't disinformation. This is the truth. And people need to be armed with the truth in order to make bold moves. And that's what legislatures need to do is put on their battle armor, get armed with the facts, and go out

there and try to correct our very broken election system. And Jason, as I understand it, you and Citizens United Productions have faced your own challenges in terms of getting the message out, not only through advertising, but perhaps other big players in the media world who perhaps don't want this message reaching voters. Can you explain some of the difficulties you've had in Silicon Valley in other areas. Well, sure. I mean, you know, Dave is much closer to the day by day of what's happening in terms of PayPal restricting the movie and platforms restricting getting our advertising and our message

out. That happens, of course, to conservatives all the time. I can tell you as a filmmaker who happens to make films that don't tow the liberal line, so in other words, conservative filmmaker, I can't even approach some platforms. I don't even bother. I know that nobody at Netflix is going to take anything that I'm making. Because think about it. You know, you're a mid-level guy buying a film that talks about in election integrity

and the fact that maybe Donald Trump was right in questioning the election results, and your boss is going to fire you. The guy that owns Netflix is a raging liberal. So, you know, I get that they're handstrong here, but these people try to shut down conservatives all the time. And they're going to try to stifle this movie, and that's one reason that Citizens United was brilliant in starting their own platform,

rigged2020.com, which has all of their films and all of their content on there for people to watch. And what I understand that someone told me today that 59 countries around the world are accessing and streaming this movie. So people all over the world are interested in this. And the only way that they're going to find out the truth is by going to rig2020.com and subscribing to watch the film because it's very difficult to get these messages out in any other platform.

Before I let you go, I've got to ask the question of what President Trump's reaction was to the film when he was able to see it at Mar-a-Lago. The president came up and he said to everybody's in attendance, his quote was, I really liked a lot of movies over the course of. of my life. He says, Citizen Kane was excellent. Gone with the Wind was excellent. Titanic was excellent. But this is the one I most look forward to seeing. So that was straight from the president at the premiere. And when he said that, it made it all worthwhile because that's what we're doing it for. We don't want another 2020 to happen again. I watched Tim, watched the movie. It was really interesting. And I'd done a lot of things with the president, but I'd never watched a movie with him before in movie theater and he after it was over he stood up and he turned him and he said you know this is

really sad and i didn't know where he was going with it and he said no this is really sad it's sad that this happened and it's sad that you had to make this movie and he said you know what it's actually depressing this is what you just described in this film is so powerful it should never have happened and and it did happen um and it's depressing that that's the reason that Joe Biden is president. But he also is, on the other hand, he's happy now to have the facts and evidence. And it was born out in North Carolina this past weekend because he talked about the movie at the rally that he had there in North Carolina. He also showed the trailer several times to the crowd.

It was incredibly well received. But, you know, the president is a fighter. It's why he and I get along so well. We're both fighters, and we are never going to stop fighting for what we believe in. And so I'm going to help him do whatever he wants right now, and that is winning back the House and Senate and using this as a vehicle to help us do that to make sure we're – and then to make sure that the R&C and other campaigns and candidates are ready to talk about this issue, are ready to fight on the election integrity issues. before Election Day. And then we'll see what he ends up doing in 2024, but I'm along for the ride, whatever he's doing. David, tell our listeners one more time how they can get the film.

Please go to rigged 2020.com. You can stream it anywhere in the world on any device. And you can use PayPal. You can use Apple Pay. It's an amazing thing, technology today. Back when I started making films, we were on VHS. And today, it's all digital, and you can watch it anywhere in the world, and it's an amazing thing. When I showed the president the trailer for it the first time I actually pulled it up on my phone and mirrored it to his television in his office.

And it was just the technology today, younger people take it for granted, but it is an amazing thing. The impact and the depth you can now have with a film, whereas back in the day, it was really hard. You had to go to a movie theater or have, you know, or send it to somebody on a VHS. Today, digitally, it's a game changer. People can send this film rigged all across the country. And please do make sure people know this film exists. Go to rig.com and watch it for yourself. And you have made dozens of fantastic films throughout your career.

It is truly remarkable. Thank you for the work that you do each and every day, David, because we are grateful. we know the power of a video and film is just so impactful. It really is, and thank you for reminding me, because all of those films, our entire library is up. You go to Rig2020.com. The entire catalog of films, all 27 films are there. So Ronald Reagan, rendezvous with Destiny with Newt Gingrich, and Callistic Gingrich, another film, which is one of my favorites, Nine Days that Changed the World, our film, Newton, Callistic Gingrich,

in my film on Pope John Paul the second. It is, in my opinion, one of the great films. The one, it came in second at the Vatican Film Festival many years ago, and I just love that. It's one of my favorite films and I urge everybody to go watch this film, and then you get to enjoy

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